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| 00:05.28 | tierra|w | seems pretty strait forward to me... and I haven't touched Java in a couple years |
| 00:06.04 | synic | ok, cool |
| 00:08.36 | bigdog_ut | synic, what am i lookin' at |
| 00:08.50 | synic | information on how to write plugins for jbother |
| 00:09.10 | optikal | ooh |
| 00:09.13 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 00:09.18 | optikal | synic, synic.. synic the javaman.. i needa talk to u |
| 00:09.30 | synic | uh oh |
| 00:09.45 | synic | whazzap? |
| 00:09.56 | bigdog_ut | so synic, are you going to write it in groovy |
| 00:10.06 | synic | say what? |
| 00:10.34 | bigdog_ut | oh never mind |
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| 04:57.05 | bigdog_ut | evenin all |
| 05:03.21 | optikal | yoh |
| 05:03.22 | optikal | evening |
| 05:05.06 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 05:05.31 | optikal | going to setup a personalized gallery |
| 05:05.33 | optikal | been meaning to 4ever |
| 05:05.44 | bigdog_ut | i set one up in dec |
| 05:05.57 | optikal | groovey |
| 05:06.17 | bigdog_ut | yeah im waiting for gallery version 2 to come out |
| 05:06.43 | optikal | well, for it to become stable yeah |
| 05:06.54 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 05:07.02 | optikal | tierra|w just tested it out, and says its too early in development to run right now |
| 05:07.25 | bigdog_ut | really |
| 05:07.32 | optikal | yeah |
| 05:07.41 | bigdog_ut | im just waiting patiently |
| 05:07.41 | tierra|w | yeah, it's pretty sweet |
| 05:08.19 | tierra|w | yeah, I am too... I didn't put it up yet, just played with Alpha 4 |
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| 06:11.13 | wps | well, I am the man of the hour |
| 06:11.26 | wps | just changed my wife's alternator |
| 06:11.41 | wps | that thing was a beast |
| 06:29.49 | optikal | hahaha |
| 06:29.49 | optikal | thats nothin =P |
| 06:30.37 | optikal | i built a muscle car all myself, with the help of others but i did all the work |
| 06:56.47 | wps | wow, that |
| 06:56.52 | wps | that's cool |
| 06:57.02 | wps | that would be a lot of fun |
| 06:57.08 | wps | I would enjoy doing that |
| 07:16.09 | tierra | that could of been something I could of gone into, but it didn't spark my interest as much as computers... I was top of my auto classes in high school, but I wasn't the kind of person that matched that profile |
| 07:17.19 | tierra | I knew enough to hit the top test scores, but I knew the second I wasn't someone who knew how the engine sounded that auto wasn't my thing |
| 07:17.35 | tierra | s/auto/cars |
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| 07:18.02 | dataw0lf- | sup gentleladies |
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| 15:50.31 | macnewbold | Morning, all |
| 15:50.34 | macnewbold | welcome, tbye |
| 15:51.04 | tbye | Hi Mac, Thanks! |
| 15:51.33 | tbye | I'm a newcomer... moved back to UT (grew up here) a few months ago... working for a startup in South Jordan. |
| 15:52.36 | tbye | I heard about the group from Mike and Vlad @ Linux Networx. |
| 15:54.55 | macnewbold | Cool... they're nice guys. We have our meetings out there, if they didn't tell you already. |
| 15:55.01 | macnewbold | 3rd tuesday of every month, 7pm |
| 15:55.10 | tbye | I just applied for membership. :) |
| 15:55.17 | macnewbold | excellent :) |
| 15:55.24 | macnewbold | so you work with php a lot? |
| 15:55.24 | tbye | That's great that Xmission has donated rack space. |
| 15:55.29 | tbye | Not so much... |
| 15:55.42 | macnewbold | what do you do for your "day job"? |
| 15:55.43 | tbye | I'm writing a lot of C++ and Python atm |
| 15:56.04 | tbye | I work for Move Networks. We're doing some fun streaming video stuff. |
| 15:56.23 | tbye | The website is changing... it's some 3 years old... as is the old business direction. |
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| 15:58.33 | tbye | I'm mostly intrigued with the Java-ish direction that PHP 5 is going. |
| 15:59.07 | tbye | PHP5EE |
| 15:59.08 | tbye | lol |
| 16:00.13 | macnewbold | ~tbye-- for mentioning the J-word in here |
| 16:00.21 | macnewbold | ~tbye |
| 16:00.24 | macnewbold | ~karma tbye |
| 16:00.24 | jbot | tbye has neutral karma |
| 16:00.54 | tbye | heh... so that's how it's going to be ;-) |
| 16:01.36 | optikal_ | naah. Im not super anti-java.. but I am, anti-java. |
| 16:02.13 | optikal_ | I know it gets the job done, and in certain situations, where it is the best job.. or one of the best.. but generally there is a better solution |
| 16:02.39 | macnewbold | If you're looking to talk about Java (in a positive way, anyway), you'd better go looking for #ujavahpu instead... |
| 16:02.54 | macnewbold | and by "generally", optikal_ means always... ;) |
| 16:03.26 | optikal_ | haha.. yeah.. actually, i did mean 'always' .. but i havent yet experienced everything.. but everything i have, there has been.. so yeh. =) |
| 16:03.41 | tbye | no... I wrote J... for 3 years... and hated every minute of it... knowing that stuff like python, perl and ruby can do a better job more efficiently... and php of course. |
| 16:04.44 | optikal_ | Java may help me out at work, but its working with a application that is interacting with a live ActiveX component.. but I surely won't be bragging if thats the route we go.. but it will do what I need, and thats what I need dnoe |
| 16:04.45 | optikal_ | errm done |
| 16:05.20 | tbye | understood... right tool for the job... |
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| 16:05.59 | optikal_ | mornin wps |
| 16:06.11 | wps | hey |
| 16:06.14 | tbye | Anyone done much php gtk stuff? |
| 16:06.46 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut does php gtk |
| 16:06.48 | wps | I haven't, sorry |
| 16:07.07 | optikal_ | yeah. bigdog will be on a bit later if hes non-responsive right now |
| 16:07.21 | optikal_ | so if ya want, just hang around and he'll be around. |
| 16:08.31 | tbye | will do. |
| 16:08.42 | tbye | Everybody in SLC? |
| 16:08.50 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut is layton |
| 16:08.52 | wps | lehi |
| 16:08.53 | macnewbold | I'm slc |
| 16:09.14 | macnewbold | synic, optikal, dataw0lf, and xilch are all slc, IIRC |
| 16:09.34 | macnewbold | jbot and ChanServ are everywhere |
| 16:09.36 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 16:09.43 | macnewbold | ? |
| 16:09.47 | macnewbold | okay, I guess |
| 16:09.55 | tbye | I reside in Lehi... work in South Jordan... |
| 16:10.08 | tbye | Actually get to work from home a couple days a week... that's nice. |
| 16:10.24 | optikal_ | Bah! |
| 16:10.30 | optikal_ | People who work at home are lazy scumbags! |
| 16:10.32 | optikal_ | well, not really. |
| 16:10.39 | optikal_ | Im just jealous and have ot make fun of you to make myself feel better. |
| 16:11.43 | tbye | lol |
| 16:12.10 | tbye | That's the only way I get any code written... |
| 16:12.28 | tbye | crazy sales folks swarming engineering.... whatcha got? whatcha got? |
| 16:12.48 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 16:13.09 | optikal_ | my environment is pretty relaxed.. tierra seen it.. i can just shut my office door, turn up the Goa Trance, and kick it in proggiemode |
| 16:13.48 | optikal_ | nobody bugs me.. unless its web related |
| 16:14.13 | optikal_ | blegh.. meetings in the morning.. worst thing evar |
| 16:14.20 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 16:14.38 | optikal_ | when i managed, if i had morning meetings, i had coffee 4 all my techs and bagels |
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| 16:14.45 | optikal_ | they <3'd me |
| 16:15.12 | wps | optikal: remind me who you are, please? :) |
| 16:15.16 | wps | (can't remember your real name) |
| 16:15.28 | bigdog_ut | i got the site manager calling me...im like that is not my job |
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| 16:15.38 | optikal_ | wps: I dont think anyone honestly knows my real name in here, except for like maybe tierra, synic, xilch, and dataw0lf. =P |
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| 16:15.48 | optikal_ | wps: I'd like to keep it that way too, if you dont mind. |
| 16:15.51 | optikal_ | lol jk |
| 16:16.02 | optikal_ | Jeremy.. or jerz for short |
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| 16:16.34 | optikal_ | oof.. such a masculine name. *ph34rz* |
| 16:17.23 | wps | have you been to meetings? |
| 16:17.30 | optikal_ | I was at the last one. |
| 16:17.37 | wps | that's what I was thinking |
| 16:17.40 | optikal_ | I made a fashionable late entrance. |
| 16:17.48 | optikal_ | 6'3", big yellow coat.. probably didnt miss me walking in 30mins late |
| 16:17.57 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:18.37 | optikal_ | I suspect i'll probably be at the next meeting, as long as no other plans interfere. |
| 16:18.59 | bigdog_ut | i like to spice it up...attend every other one |
| 16:19.16 | bigdog_ut | wps, where you @ slacker |
| 16:19.24 | bigdog_ut | i got some new books |
| 16:20.11 | wps | sweet |
| 16:20.12 | optikal_ | yah, i missd the book thing. freakin xilch and tierra scored some good books |
| 16:20.25 | optikal_ | what books? |
| 16:21.09 | bigdog_ut | "Unix Shells" and "Moving to the linux Desktop" |
| 16:21.16 | bigdog_ut | let me find the links |
| 16:21.24 | tbye | I ran an agile dev UG in Spokane a couple years ago... I still have publishers sending me books. |
| 16:21.48 | optikal_ | oooh |
| 16:21.58 | tbye | If any of you are into that sort of nonsense let me know... I'll lend out my Extreme Programming Mega library |
| 16:22.00 | optikal_ | Im interested in both, mostly the later tho. |
| 16:22.18 | optikal_ | tbye: whatcha got buddy ole pal? |
| 16:22.22 | bigdog_ut | http://www.phptr.com/title/013147572X |
| 16:22.49 | tbye | optikal: you name it... I have it if it's agile dev, XP |
| 16:23.30 | optikal_ | tbye: interesting |
| 16:23.43 | bigdog_ut | http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0131421921 |
| 16:25.06 | optikal_ | man |
| 16:25.42 | optikal_ | im probably most interested in the Unix Shells one. |
| 16:25.59 | bigdog_ut | wps will have to remember that |
| 16:26.18 | bigdog_ut | as long as you write a review |
| 16:26.26 | tbye | bigdog_ut: Addison Wesley has sent most of the books I have. |
| 16:26.27 | optikal_ | heh.. reviews. |
| 16:26.31 | optikal_ | I know reviews. =P |
| 16:26.41 | bigdog_ut | yeah i get from most of the major pubs |
| 16:26.55 | tbye | cool |
| 16:27.03 | optikal_ | I did computer hardware reviews for several online websites years ago. |
| 16:27.12 | bigdog_ut | so i usually get books for all the meetings |
| 16:27.14 | tbye | excellent |
| 16:27.20 | tbye | great! |
| 16:27.34 | tbye | bigdog_ut: Do you know Marsee Henson then? |
| 16:27.40 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 16:27.57 | tbye | Met her at OET in Portland last year. |
| 16:28.01 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 16:28.23 | bigdog_ut | i have not met her face-to-face yet...but i have been working with here for about 4 years now |
| 16:28.35 | tbye | It was nice being in Spokane... just a 5 hour jaunt to get to Seattle or Portland for cons. |
| 16:28.49 | bigdog_ut | that would be killer |
| 16:29.06 | bigdog_ut | tbye, did you have a question about php+gtk? |
| 16:29.56 | tbye | Nothing specific. In a previous life I did a lot of Network Management Architecture and we used GTK+ with C/C++... and I've been meaning to give it a go with PHP. |
| 16:30.02 | macnewbold | tbye: /me agrees with most of the Extreme Programming methodologies |
| 16:30.21 | tbye | macnewbold: I'm sort of an Apostate. |
| 16:31.03 | tbye | I'm definitely a TDD developer... |
| 16:31.29 | tbye | I think I owe it to anyone that uses my libs, DLLs, SOs, and APIs in general to have tests to show them that I'm not the one breaking. |
| 16:32.03 | tbye | The whole cards thing... and pair programming... I just don't buy into that much. |
| 16:32.12 | tbye | And, yes I've done it... successfully... |
| 16:32.42 | tbye | ... but I'm disciplined... |
| 16:32.55 | bigdog_ut | tbye, gtk+php is okay...there docs are not all that great...but if you come from a gtk background it is easier |
| 16:33.05 | tbye | bigdog_ut: Very cool |
| 16:33.14 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: php-gtk is a hack -- a cool hack, mind you, but a hack! |
| 16:33.16 | bigdog_ut | i have created some apps and it runs good...i like it under windows too |
| 16:33.30 | tbye | Actually I used it a bit when I was fixing bugs for pptp-client. |
| 16:33.30 | bigdog_ut | yes it is a hack..not sure if they are keeping it up |
| 16:33.36 | tbye | I see |
| 16:33.38 | jsmith | Don't appear to be. |
| 16:33.44 | tbye | lovely |
| 16:33.49 | jsmith | Too bad IronPHP isn't fully fleshed out either |
| 16:33.53 | bigdog_ut | yeah...it is easy to create bindings |
| 16:34.01 | tbye | is that .NET php? |
| 16:34.05 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 16:34.15 | tbye | interesting... I follow IronPython pretty close. |
| 16:34.32 | tbye | macnewbold: is my karma safe talking about Python? |
| 16:34.35 | bigdog_ut | .Net and anything just blows |
| 16:34.35 | tbye | ;-) |
| 16:34.42 | macnewbold | tbye: yeah, fine :) |
| 16:34.45 | tbye | cool |
| 16:35.11 | jsmith | macnewbold: You guys still looking for hosting and/or colo? |
| 16:35.12 | bigdog_ut | optikal will hate this but i have been doing some java+gtk(gnome,glade) that is really killer |
| 16:35.24 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Using eclipse? |
| 16:35.32 | bigdog_ut | yes and gcj |
| 16:35.36 | jsmith | Killer. |
| 16:35.39 | tbye | I'm a fan of the ease of use of managed code... but I can't get anything done with it... so I end up using win32 and unmanaged stuff 90% of the time anyway. |
| 16:35.42 | macnewbold | I've got a colo and I do hosting... I think wps found someplace for uphpu's new server too |
| 16:35.42 | wps | man, ironing takes forever |
| 16:35.44 | optikal_ | bigdog_ut: no.. i dont hate that.. just hate you now. |
| 16:35.49 | optikal_ | bigdog_ut: haha jk. its cool =) |
| 16:35.55 | optikal_ | bigdog_ut: synic does java, and i only hate him a little bit |
| 16:36.17 | bigdog_ut | hopefully, you will forgive...i just do tons here at work |
| 16:36.27 | bigdog_ut | so i off set it with php consulting at night |
| 16:36.34 | optikal_ | i suppose.. if its for work. =) |
| 16:36.51 | bigdog_ut | it pays really good...so i do it |
| 16:37.12 | bigdog_ut | actually i do more glorified tech support now than anything |
| 16:38.05 | macnewbold | tbye: re the XP: I'm with you... the pair thing can be helpful, the principle of the cards is good, rules like "Don't commit unless it passes every regression test", etc. can be helpful. But I guess I'm just not xtreme enough. I guess I'm more of a Moderate Programming advocate than Extreme Programming advocate. |
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| 16:38.18 | macnewbold | oh, he's back again... :( |
| 16:38.50 | bigdog_ut | pair programming is okay if you really know how to make it work |
| 16:39.10 | bigdog_ut | but i think that it does waste time...i am more for peer reviews (alot of them) |
| 16:39.37 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: the big savings of pair programming is in debugging |
| 16:40.02 | bigdog_ut | yes...but that is all that i see |
| 16:40.19 | bigdog_ut | peer programming will solve some of that too |
| 16:40.28 | macnewbold | if you look at 2 solo programmers vs 1 pair, the pair will get 1.5x as much done as a single person, but 1.5x is still less than 2x for 2 solo guys |
| 16:40.46 | bigdog_ut | but if you follow the idea of test driven development you will knock those down |
| 16:41.35 | macnewbold | the thing is that the code the pair writes will have dramatically fewer bugs |
| 16:41.39 | bigdog_ut | true...but for debuggin' that is okay...however, the point comes to how good is your testing and q&a |
| 16:41.42 | macnewbold | and save a ton of time there |
| 16:41.43 | tbye | I agree... but I can't stand working with someone that doesn't put the ideas together as quickly as I do... I just don't have the patience. |
| 16:41.58 | macnewbold | yeah... you have to make a good team, or it just kills both of you |
| 16:41.59 | bigdog_ut | to an extent |
| 16:42.28 | macnewbold | with one partner, we had to make a rule that we couldn't correct the "driver" until he got to the end of the line and had a chance to fix his own typos... |
| 16:42.29 | bigdog_ut | most companies cant afford killer developers...so they offset that with a few killer and a few newer ones |
| 16:42.29 | tbye | I agree |
| 16:42.34 | macnewbold | otherwise we'd just get on each other's nerves |
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| 16:42.56 | bigdog_ut | but do they factor in the time to explain and coache |
| 16:43.06 | bigdog_ut | that hits your roi on all that |
| 16:43.34 | bigdog_ut | how many times did i have to stop and explain why i did that and not something else |
| 16:43.38 | optika- | blah |
| 16:43.40 | tbye | Sometimes "cultural" (read lack of hygiene skills from your H1B friends) can be distracting. |
| 16:43.52 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:44.14 | tbye | ... and then the smell of cheap cigarette smoke on them... Ughh... |
| 16:44.23 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: you're right... you have to have a good partner, one that you agree with most of the time |
| 16:44.38 | macnewbold | but honestly ,the debate about which way to do it (when done in a sane way) |
| 16:44.39 | bigdog_ut | but that never seems to happen |
| 16:44.39 | tbye | I used to pound 4 or 5 altoids at a time so I couldn't smell anything. |
| 16:44.41 | macnewbold | is what can make it so much better |
| 16:44.59 | macnewbold | because you talk about it first, rather than going down the wrong road and having to fix it all later |
| 16:45.41 | macnewbold | a lot of really good hackers are better off doing it alone |
| 16:45.57 | macnewbold | but if you and your partner agree most of the time, and think alike, for the most part, it can be good |
| 16:46.21 | macnewbold | it _might_ be an effective way to train a newbie ("here, sit by him and watch, and ask questions when necessary") |
| 16:46.31 | macnewbold | but may waste more time than necessary to train them |
| 16:46.34 | tbye | I have yet to find that person. Now don't get me wrong... I'm terribly social... but I just need my time to get things right. |
| 16:46.47 | macnewbold | but at least they'll be doing something productive while they're training |
| 16:46.47 | tbye | I agree with that macnewbold |
| 16:46.57 | tbye | Also... the truck factor |
| 16:47.04 | macnewbold | truck factor? |
| 16:47.08 | macnewbold | ~truck factor |
| 16:47.23 | tbye | How many people can get hit by a truck before no one knows anything about the project. |
| 16:47.45 | macnewbold | jbot: truck factor is How many people can get hit by a truck before no one knows anything about the project. |
| 16:47.47 | jbot | okay, macnewbold |
| 16:47.51 | macnewbold | ~truck factor |
| 16:47.53 | jbot | methinks truck factor is How many people can get hit by a truck before no one knows anything about the project. |
| 16:47.57 | macnewbold | very good :) |
| 16:48.02 | macnewbold | ~botsnack |
| 16:48.02 | jbot | thanks, macnewbold |
| 16:48.06 | tbye | lol |
| 16:48.10 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:48.15 | tbye | is jbot your creation? |
| 16:53.12 | bigdog_ut | no that is another guys |
| 17:00.35 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: physically, mentally, or in my dreams? |
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| 17:20.58 | synic | bigdog_ut: I took a look at groovy. Seems very similar to beanshell |
| 17:21.27 | synic | I considered using beanshell for the plugin system... |
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| 17:47.55 | bigdog_ut | yeah it is kinda like it |
| 17:48.08 | bigdog_ut | really it is meant for doing scripting in java |
| 17:49.56 | bigdog_ut | supposibly it is really killer to use when you want to program like ruby and python |
| 17:50.11 | bigdog_ut | i wondering how it works with jython |
| 17:50.39 | tbye | beanshell with jython? |
| 17:51.06 | tbye | that's an interesting concept |
| 17:52.54 | bigdog_ut | yeah...groovy is like a scripting language for java |
| 17:54.36 | *** part/#uphpu megadan (~megadan@67.138.206.69) |
| 17:55.21 | synic | but yeah... the plugin system is already implemented in plain java... |
| 17:55.26 | synic | maybe in the future I'll add scripting support |
| 17:56.02 | tbye | I'm an advocate of interprters... such as python's |
| 17:58.04 | tbye | Sounds like a Symphony of Destruction optikal |
| 17:59.23 | optikal_ | tbye: actually, every album ever produced is what i just obtained.. right now im listening to The System Has Failed (released last year) |
| 18:00.16 | tbye | I still have my anatomy of Vic t-shirt that I wear to family events. |
| 18:00.28 | optikal_ | nice |
| 18:00.32 | optikal_ | ive got mad megadeth stuff |
| 18:00.40 | optikal_ | prior to my entrance into the electronic music world, MegaDeth > * |
| 18:00.42 | tbye | Mustaine is great. |
| 18:00.49 | tbye | lol |
| 18:01.02 | optikal_ | yes.. ive met dave.. hes a pretty kickass guy |
| 18:01.04 | tbye | What kind of electronic... just the goa? |
| 18:01.06 | optikal_ | erm |
| 18:01.07 | optikal_ | kickrear |
| 18:01.09 | optikal_ | =P |
| 18:01.12 | tbye | wow.. cool |
| 18:01.13 | bigdog_ut | actually they piss me off...i loved marty |
| 18:01.29 | optikal_ | tbye: goa/psy/europeon/house |
| 18:01.35 | optikal_ | most of the techno/trance.. except DnB |
| 18:01.42 | tbye | optikal_I'm mostly a house and downtempo guy. |
| 18:01.47 | optikal_ | aah |
| 18:01.59 | tbye | St. Germain, Zero 7, Beth Orton, Thievery Corp. |
| 18:02.03 | tbye | etc. |
| 18:02.09 | optikal_ | wow.. not a single one of those is familiar |
| 18:02.13 | bigdog_ut | if there aint no killer guitar then it aint worth it |
| 18:02.17 | tbye | I'll have to get you some. |
| 18:02.26 | optikal_ | i got a dump site when your ready |
| 18:02.31 | tbye | bigdog_ut: let me guess... mid 30s... lol |
| 18:02.56 | tbye | bigdog_ut: You'd be interested in my vast collection of Satriani, Vai, and Malmsteen |
| 18:02.56 | bigdog_ut | nope not even 30 yet |
| 18:03.21 | tbye | I'm a month away from the big 30 |
| 18:03.23 | bigdog_ut | malmsteen is okay if you like listening to scales |
| 18:03.27 | optikal_ | tbye: yes, i have that too. |
| 18:03.29 | tbye | lol |
| 18:03.32 | bigdog_ut | may is the big 30 for me |
| 18:03.37 | tbye | cool! |
| 18:03.38 | optikal_ | Joe is a very neat guy too |
| 18:03.49 | optikal_ | i dont know him personally, but i had a friend who help setup his set once.. and spoke to him for about 1m5in |
| 18:03.53 | optikal_ | erm *15min |
| 18:04.10 | bigdog_ut | satriani rocks |
| 18:04.20 | bigdog_ut | vai is okay...to prideful for me |
| 18:04.25 | bigdog_ut | but he can play |
| 18:04.36 | optikal_ | hehe yah |
| 18:04.36 | bigdog_ut | maryt from mega is a killer guitarist |
| 18:04.42 | optikal_ | well duh |
| 18:04.43 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 18:04.45 | bigdog_ut | and dime (rip) from pantera |
| 18:04.45 | tbye | Ya, he's quite the uhm... .black mage of guitar. |
| 18:04.54 | optikal_ | I have the silver Crpytic Writings album, with the vic card =) |
| 18:05.12 | bigdog_ut | rust in peace is one of my favorites |
| 18:05.32 | optikal_ | That is a great album |
| 18:05.45 | tbye | dang... now I've got to get some metal out... |
| 18:05.58 | synic | Thievery Corp! |
| 18:05.59 | optikal_ | Finally have all 14 albums.. woot. I have 10 of them in CD.. but never got around to buying the last 4. |
| 18:06.01 | bigdog_ut | there are only a few metal bands i like |
| 18:06.02 | synic | Zero 7! |
| 18:06.11 | tbye | synic: a fan? |
| 18:06.12 | synic | tbye: you like Massive Attack or Goldfrapp? |
| 18:06.18 | optikal_ | I also have every Van Halen, Pink Floyd, Metallica and a few others albums |
| 18:06.18 | tbye | synic: homobre!!! |
| 18:06.28 | tbye | synic: You bet! |
| 18:07.06 | synic | sweet :) |
| 18:07.14 | synic | triphop is definately my fav. |
| 18:07.27 | tbye | very cool |
| 18:07.44 | tbye | Koop, Lamb, Erlend Oye... |
| 18:08.02 | synic | I was trying to find some Lamb via p2p to see if I liked it |
| 18:08.15 | synic | but yeah, searching for lamb in a p2p app just isn't productive |
| 18:08.23 | tbye | I could be of assistance. |
| 18:08.36 | synic | it would be appreciated |
| 18:09.27 | wps | okay... having a brain fart |
| 18:09.34 | wps | can anyone remember mindjuju's real name? |
| 18:09.44 | wps | I need to get a different CD of CDs |
| 18:09.50 | optikal_ | nope |
| 18:09.50 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 18:09.56 | wps | turns out this server is only a G3, so I can't do 64 bit |
| 18:10.11 | wps | jsmith can burn them for me, but he is in Orem and closer would be nicer |
| 18:11.02 | wps | victor sound familiar to anyone? |
| 18:11.10 | bigdog_ut | no |
| 18:11.51 | macnewbold | ~mindjuju |
| 18:11.58 | macnewbold | ~seen mindjuju |
| 18:12.00 | jbot | mindjuju <~mindjuju@63.226.104.67> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 1d 14m 2s ago, saying: 'well, it's under the premise that there is a nice little playground there for Corban to play at, but I think there are quite a few number of stores between the entry way and the playground'. |
| 18:12.20 | wps | darn, he's home sick |
| 18:12.38 | wps | anyone closer to Lehi than Orem with a big 'ol fatty-fat pipe? |
| 18:12.45 | macnewbold | I remember his face, but I can't remember his name now :) |
| 18:12.58 | wps | it's Victor. I just called his work. |
| 18:13.02 | macnewbold | ah |
| 18:13.13 | wps | (got his name off his email address in his UPHPU account) |
| 18:13.27 | macnewbold | wps: you could go park your car in the lot outside Linux Networx and use their wireless with your laptop :) |
| 18:13.38 | wps | :) |
| 18:13.45 | wps | good call, macnewbold |
| 18:13.52 | wps | I wonder how fast that is |
| 18:13.59 | macnewbold | 11Mbps, I'd bet :) |
| 18:14.07 | macnewbold | their pipe is probably at least 1-2MBps really though |
| 18:14.20 | macnewbold | you trying to grab an ISO ASAP? |
| 18:14.26 | wps | yes |
| 18:14.35 | wps | need 32 bit Fedora 3 |
| 18:14.52 | optikal_ | btw, this MegaDeth album is different, but I am liking it |
| 18:15.01 | macnewbold | I've got an iso that would work for you, only ~300MB |
| 18:15.11 | macnewbold | lemme grab the url |
| 18:15.11 | optikal_ | They stopped veering off into the 'newage' where they went with Risk back in 99 |
| 18:15.20 | wps | let me guess... FreeBSD? |
| 18:15.48 | xilch_ | optikal: MEGADETH PWNS!!1!1!!!1! |
| 18:16.07 | optikal_ | well duh |
| 18:17.40 | macnewbold | 275MB, wps: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/5.3/5.3-RELEASE-i386-miniinst.iso |
| 18:17.48 | macnewbold | darn, you beat me to it... |
| 18:18.07 | wps | I know you better than that |
| 18:18.26 | wps | can anyone point me to where I would download fedora 3, 32 bit? |
| 18:18.31 | bigdog_ut | just put on gentoo and all is well |
| 18:18.33 | wps | I only see 64 on their website |
| 18:18.41 | bigdog_ut | gentoo and ibm servers rock |
| 18:18.59 | bigdog_ut | it has the self healing pixie dust and the universal adapter |
| 18:19.08 | wps | they do have binaries for 32, don't they? |
| 18:25.05 | wps | okay... can't ever remember |
| 18:25.24 | wps | can someone explain the difference between "i386" and "x86" to me again, please? |
| 18:26.40 | wps | is it just that "i386" is the 32 bit version and "x86_64" is the 64 bit version? |
| 18:28.30 | jsmith | wps: Yes. |
| 18:28.44 | wps | well, they need to label them clearer :) |
| 18:30.16 | jsmith | wps: Sorry - that's just what the kernel hackers have decided to call the architectures. |
| 18:30.34 | wps | 'sal right |
| 19:02.50 | bigdog_ut | i386 is also miss leading too |
| 19:03.29 | macnewbold | yeah, like what if you have a 486? |
| 19:03.38 | bigdog_ut | 586 or 686 |
| 19:03.57 | bigdog_ut | or 786 |
| 19:04.43 | bigdog_ut | or ? |
| 19:04.43 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:33.58 | bigdog_ut | sounds good |
| 19:35.09 | bigdog_ut | optikal, you around? |
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| 19:42.32 | optikal_ | yah |
| 19:42.43 | optikal_ | sup |
| 19:46.42 | bigdog_ut | wonderin if i could look at your muzac list? |
| 19:46.45 | bigdog_ut | or files |
| 19:46.48 | optikal_ | no |
| 19:46.55 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 19:46.58 | optikal_ | i dont have one compiled |
| 19:47.00 | bigdog_ut | rlol |
| 19:47.03 | optikal_ | cause in in mid-sorting |
| 19:47.18 | bigdog_ut | u have a guest account? |
| 19:47.25 | optikal_ | well |
| 19:47.28 | optikal_ | i got a dump site |
| 19:47.35 | bigdog_ut | dump site? |
| 19:47.43 | optikal_ | yah, it only has 28gb on it |
| 19:48.07 | optikal_ | my collection is offline.. no ftp or whatever |
| 19:48.15 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 19:48.56 | optikal_ | want dump site infoz? |
| 19:49.00 | optikal_ | its 90% Trance |
| 19:49.05 | optikal_ | but its got others |
| 19:49.10 | bigdog_ut | i can look |
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| 20:12.42 | bigdog_ut | for? |
| 20:12.46 | wps | jsmith is right |
| 20:12.50 | wps | the server |
| 20:12.59 | jsmith | Man, I'm so jealous I can't stand it. |
| 20:13.05 | jsmith | (And I work on those servers every day) |
| 20:13.10 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 20:13.14 | jsmith | wps doesn't appreciate what he's got |
| 20:13.22 | jsmith | He doesn't know about all the cool features |
| 20:13.25 | bigdog_ut | he got it from nps...you should check them out |
| 20:13.30 | jsmith | nps? |
| 20:13.34 | jsmith | What/Where's that? |
| 20:13.41 | wps | Salt Lake |
| 20:13.45 | jsmith | wps: Where? |
| 20:13.50 | bigdog_ut | kaysville too |
| 20:13.53 | jsmith | wps: I TOLD YOU TO GIVE ME THE DETAILS! |
| 20:14.04 | bigdog_ut | ill get them for you |
| 20:14.22 | wps | they have monthly auctions |
| 20:14.30 | jsmith | Details?!? |
| 20:14.45 | bigdog_ut | im looking |
| 20:14.49 | jsmith | See, wps just said "I got it from a friend" |
| 20:14.51 | wps | me too |
| 20:15.03 | wps | well, I didn't buy it the normal way |
| 20:15.04 | jsmith | Which is a lot more vague than "It came from NPS", whatever NPS happens to be |
| 20:15.06 | bigdog_ut | yeah we know the internet manager |
| 20:15.14 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: So, you gonna hook me up too? |
| 20:15.30 | bigdog_ut | depends, we might have to see what it is worth |
| 20:15.36 | wps | http://e-nps.com/ |
| 20:15.40 | bigdog_ut | yeah that is the one |
| 20:15.54 | wps | ah-oh |
| 20:16.01 | wps | did boot after finished installing OS |
| 20:16.07 | wps | when through all the bios stuff and then... |
| 20:16.22 | wps | Attempting to Boot from CD-ROM |
| 20:16.32 | wps | Attempting to Boot from Floppy Drive (A:) |
| 20:16.40 | wps | Attempting to Boot from Hard Drive (C:) |
| 20:16.58 | wps | and then a bunch of garbled characters |
| 20:17.00 | wps | like... |
| 20:17.07 | wps | ||* @(@*#$&@(#*$&@(#$*@ |
| 20:17.29 | optikal_ | hmm |
| 20:17.29 | bigdog_ut | jsmith are you checking out the website? |
| 20:17.33 | optikal_ | reboot again |
| 20:17.42 | wps | I did |
| 20:17.48 | bigdog_ut | which bootloader did you install? |
| 20:17.52 | wps | grub |
| 20:17.59 | optikal_ | hmm |
| 20:18.07 | optikal_ | try reinstalling grub into the mbr? |
| 20:18.55 | wps | uh... I can't even type |
| 20:19.19 | bigdog_ut | yeah need to install grub...does grub run on scsi? |
| 20:19.38 | wps | It was supposed to be installed... a portion of the OS install covered that |
| 20:20.21 | optikal_ | *shrug* I always install grub manually |
| 20:20.52 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Yes, it should work fine on SCSI |
| 20:20.55 | wps | mind walking me though that optikal? |
| 20:21.03 | optikal_ | what distro/ver of grub? |
| 20:21.10 | jsmith | wps: Boot of CD1, type "linux rescue" |
| 20:21.16 | jsmith | optikal_: FC3 |
| 20:21.41 | wps | boot off install CD 1 and then type that instead of starting the install? |
| 20:21.46 | optikal_ | jsmith: so you got him then? |
| 20:21.56 | jsmith | Sure. |
| 20:22.17 | bigdog_ut | also make sure that grub is not running lba |
| 20:22.19 | optikal_ | oke. if u cant get it wps, just say my nick to grab my attention and ill help too.. but dnot need 2 ppl at the same time, that'll just confuse us all |
| 20:22.34 | wps | very true |
| 20:22.37 | wps | thanks optikal_ |
| 20:22.42 | optikal_ | np |
| 20:23.53 | macnewbold | so is this the new uphpu group project, or what? |
| 20:24.01 | macnewbold | everybody helping everybody |
| 20:24.06 | macnewbold | awww, group hug! |
| 20:24.10 | bigdog_ut | i guess...didnt we do this with the mail server a while ago |
| 20:24.13 | wps | okay... I booted from the CD and typed "linux rescue" |
| 20:24.16 | wps | I am now at a blue screen |
| 20:24.31 | wps | yeah... we did :) |
| 20:24.50 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, you calling the shots on this |
| 20:25.06 | macnewbold | wps: blue screen? I thought you weren't running windows? |
| 20:25.12 | wps | now I have a dialogue asking what language I want to use for the install |
| 20:25.33 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:25.37 | macnewbold | english? |
| 20:25.42 | wps | funny |
| 20:25.47 | optikal_ | naah, lets try it in israelian |
| 20:25.49 | bigdog_ut | german would be good |
| 20:25.52 | optikal_ | just to throw some spice into it |
| 20:25.58 | wps | jsmith: should I proceed through the install? |
| 20:26.02 | macnewbold | israelian? would that be like hebrew or something? |
| 20:26.37 | optikal_ | macnewbold: yeah |
| 20:26.54 | macnewbold | hebrew |
| 20:27.15 | optikal_ | I dont, but my friend the intarweb could assist me =P |
| 20:27.22 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 20:27.28 | jsmith | wps: No. |
| 20:27.38 | jsmith | wps: Type "linux rescue" at the main install menu |
| 20:27.51 | wps | I did |
| 20:27.58 | wps | and it took me to this menu |
| 20:28.20 | macnewbold | ~This time, for sure!2 |
| 20:28.24 | jsmith | Oh, it'll ask you about your keyboard ans tuff |
| 20:28.31 | macnewbold | ~jargon This time, for sure!2 |
| 20:28.32 | jbot | from memory, jargon this time, for sure!2 is heard "Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!" The canonical response is, of course, "But that trick *never* works!" See {{Humor, Hacker}}. |
| 20:28.32 | jsmith | s/ans tuff/and stuff/ |
| 20:29.02 | wps | do I want to start the network interfaces on this system? |
| 20:29.17 | jsmith | SUre. |
| 20:29.40 | optikal_ | its irrelevant.. all you needa do is get your install chrooted |
| 20:31.08 | wps | okay, I am now at the rescue screen |
| 20:31.22 | wps | it says that it will attempt to find my install and mount it |
| 20:31.29 | wps | continue? |
| 20:31.30 | optikal_ | aah how nice.. it does it for you |
| 20:31.33 | jsmith | Yes |
| 20:31.44 | optikal_ | thats too friendly. takes all the fun work out of it =P |
| 20:31.47 | jsmith | optikal_: It mounts it, but doesn't do the chroot. |
| 20:31.55 | wps | k... it's mounted |
| 20:32.00 | optikal_ | jsmith: aah. im a gentoo guy, im use to doing mostly everything myself heh |
| 20:32.03 | wps | asking to exit and reboot |
| 20:32.07 | jsmith | optikal_: It does, however, tell you how to chroot it. |
| 20:32.12 | optikal_ | hehe nice |
| 20:32.14 | jsmith | wps: Exit and reboot? |
| 20:32.25 | optikal_ | dont reboot.. |
| 20:32.36 | wps | oh... wait |
| 20:32.38 | jsmith | wps: It should have some instructions like "chroot /mnt/sysimage" |
| 20:32.44 | wps | it says... |
| 20:33.10 | wps | your system has been mounted under /mnt/sysimage |
| 20:33.21 | *** join/#uphpu alphahawk (~alphahawk@70.56.105.158) |
| 20:33.23 | wps | press <return> for a shell |
| 20:33.35 | wps | if you would like to make your system the root environment , run the command... |
| 20:33.43 | jsmith | wps: Hit Enter |
| 20:33.44 | wps | chroot /mnt/sysimage |
| 20:33.50 | jsmith | wps: Then type chroot /mnt/sysimage |
| 20:33.55 | bigdog_ut | if you would like to make...a call reboot and start again |
| 20:34.40 | alphahawk | Hello how is everyone today? |
| 20:34.42 | wps | done |
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| 20:35.18 | wps | now what? type "exit" ? |
| 20:35.20 | optikal_ | alphahawk: not too shibby, urself? |
| 20:35.25 | jsmith | wps: No! |
| 20:35.25 | alphahawk | good |
| 20:35.28 | optikal_ | hehe no |
| 20:35.32 | wps | :) |
| 20:35.35 | jsmith | wps: try grub-install /dev/cciss/c0d0 |
| 20:35.36 | optikal_ | we're just rooted to your install |
| 20:35.49 | wps | k... trying... |
| 20:35.58 | jsmith | wps: In other words, we've just got your system up and running as if you had booted into it. Sort of. |
| 20:36.06 | alphahawk | wps: mke2fs /dev/hda (hehe j/k) |
| 20:36.24 | macnewbold | welcome to the party, alphahawk |
| 20:36.38 | alphahawk | Party? Where's the pizza? |
| 20:36.47 | optikal_ | yah |
| 20:36.48 | *** topic/#uphpu by macnewbold -> Utah PHP Users - uphpu.org - Thanks to everyone who has donated! |
| 20:36.50 | wps | installation finished. no errors. |
| 20:36.51 | optikal_ | i want pizza too |
| 20:36.56 | wps | me three |
| 20:37.03 | macnewbold | ~praise wps and his helpers! |
| 20:37.05 | jbot | All hail wps and his helpers!! |
| 20:37.17 | optikal_ | alphahawk: wanna hear a sad story? i did mke2fs /dev/hda before |
| 20:37.17 | wps | I could do pizza at a meeting |
| 20:37.29 | alphahawk | optikal_ HAHAHA!!!! |
| 20:37.32 | wps | encourage your friends to make their donations... and we'll have pizza |
| 20:37.43 | wps | :) |
| 20:37.44 | optikal_ | alphahawk: yah.. my first gentoo install.. it just said 'do you wish to contiue with this configuration' |
| 20:37.49 | wps | okay, jsmith, now what? |
| 20:37.49 | optikal_ | not.. YOUR GOING TO LOSE ALL PARTITIONS ON HDA! |
| 20:37.54 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 20:37.57 | optikal_ | Live and learn =) |
| 20:38.14 | alphahawk | ya I like how cryptic the messages are |
| 20:38.15 | jsmith | You did the grub-install piece? |
| 20:39.37 | wps | yes, did grub-install |
| 20:39.42 | wps | installed. no errors. |
| 20:40.15 | alphahawk | Question time real fast. I have 2 times 2004-01-01 01:00:00 and 2005-01-01 01:00:00. Is there a quick way to figure out how many hours and minutes have passed? in format hh:mm? |
| 20:42.20 | optikal_ | in a 1 yr period, how many hours and minutes that is? |
| 20:44.37 | alphahawk | yes |
| 20:44.45 | alphahawk | or whatever variables I pass to it |
| 20:44.51 | alphahawk | err dates and times |
| 20:44.55 | optikal_ | Im not sure |
| 20:45.01 | optikal_ | like |
| 20:45.05 | optikal_ | Im confused a bit |
| 20:45.11 | optikal_ | is this a dynamic time calculation, or a one time thing? |
| 20:47.07 | alphahawk | dynamic |
| 20:47.22 | optikal_ | aah ok |
| 20:48.00 | optikal_ | maybe theres a simplier way, but i'd just use some if statements checking time ranges, and then calculating against it |
| 20:49.36 | synic | tbye: ok, lamb rules. |
| 20:50.56 | alphahawk | ya |
| 20:53.06 | macnewbold | alphahawk: convert them both to unix timestamps, and subtract :) |
| 20:53.22 | tbye | synic: Glad you like! |
| 20:53.39 | macnewbold | though if they're not always a year apart, you may want to adjust for daylight savings |
| 20:53.42 | optikal_ | synic: u just tried lamb for the first time? |
| 20:53.51 | synic | the band :) |
| 20:53.51 | tbye | lol |
| 20:53.53 | macnewbold | (where the same timestamps get used twice, or some time stamps get skipped over) |
| 20:54.01 | optikal_ | synic: aah ok. im thinkin.. man, a gyro sounds great |
| 20:54.07 | tbye | hehe |
| 20:54.09 | macnewbold | mmmm, lamb... /me likes souvlaki |
| 20:54.20 | macnewbold | mmm, gyros |
| 20:54.26 | tbye | Great Greek grill in North Orem... name escapes me. |
| 20:54.45 | macnewbold | must make run to Yanni's on 13th E/Highland Dr (near 2700S) |
| 20:54.48 | tbye | East side of state... near 1200 |
| 20:55.15 | optikal_ | hmm |
| 20:55.30 | optikal_ | Apollo Burger is the closest thing I know to here. |
| 20:55.45 | tbye | Here too. |
| 20:56.06 | *** join/#uphpu tierra|w (~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:56.06 | optikal_ | hmm |
| 20:56.08 | optikal_ | maybe i shall |
| 20:56.21 | optikal_ | good late afternoon, tierra |
| 20:56.45 | optikal_ | guhh.. i wasnt hungry till you guys started talkin about lamb.. u all should be ashamed |
| 20:57.45 | optikal_ | tierra|w: you just get into work |
| 20:57.45 | scott_ | anyone use eAccelerator or zend or an optimizer? |
| 20:57.45 | optikal_ | ? |
| 20:57.52 | tierra|w | yeah |
| 20:58.07 | optikal_ | tierra|w: geesh heh |
| 20:58.52 | optikal_ | i cant decide now.. do i wanna go eat or wait till i get off. |
| 20:59.13 | tierra|w | I just grabbed some wendys on my way in... |
| 20:59.23 | tbye | Where can good Thai food be had in this area? |
| 20:59.29 | tbye | Seattle has great Thai food. |
| 20:59.35 | tbye | I've been missing it |
| 21:00.29 | tbye | ... thats what I thought ;-) |
| 21:00.34 | optikal_ | tierra|w: im thinkin a gyro heh |
| 21:00.41 | optikal_ | tbye: where is 'this area' |
| 21:00.45 | optikal_ | one place is in my kitchen =) |
| 21:00.50 | tbye | slc-utahvalley |
| 21:00.52 | optikal_ | the next is a place called Thai Delight of 6200 S and Bangerter |
| 21:01.00 | tbye | nice optikal_! |
| 21:01.09 | tbye | thai delight... I'll have to try it... |
| 21:01.13 | optikal_ | i love thai food.. i make all sorts of dishes |
| 21:01.17 | tbye | 6200... just shy of jordan landing? |
| 21:01.21 | tbye | or just past I guess |
| 21:01.30 | optikal_ | Jordan Landing is 7800-7000S |
| 21:01.34 | tbye | ahh |
| 21:01.36 | tbye | okay |
| 21:01.42 | optikal_ | Thai Delight is on the West side of Bangerter |
| 21:01.58 | tbye | that's right... had sushi at tepanyaki the other night... it's on 7200 or there abouts. |
| 21:02.09 | optikal_ | you get off @ 6200 S.. and theres a 7-11 and a Reams, inbetween is a road.. go down, immediately on your left.. south of 7-11 is a minimall.. its in there, along with the Oriental Market (where I get my stuff to cook my thai foodz) |
| 21:02.14 | tbye | optikal_: good to know. |
| 21:02.28 | tbye | cool |
| 21:02.40 | optikal_ | I needa make chicken/beef stir fry again, with some jasmnie rice and papaya salad |
| 21:02.46 | optikal_ | s/jasmnie/jasmine |
| 21:03.07 | optikal_ | Some lime leaf, ginger root, basil leaf, peppers, etc. |
| 21:10.45 | dataw0lf | tierra|w: I'm going to start on the SQL structure right now, any input? |
| 21:11.59 | tierra|w | umm... not anything I can think of off the top of my head... well... you use auto-incrementing indices out of habit right? cuz I always do |
| 21:12.16 | optikal_ | me2 |
| 21:12.26 | tierra|w | and I'm likely to restructure it if you don't =) |
| 21:12.48 | tierra|w | other than that, there's not much else you could screw up |
| 21:13.01 | optikal_ | dataw0lf: whatcha doin |
| 21:13.13 | tierra|w | blog jihad |
| 21:13.24 | optikal_ | aaah |
| 21:15.08 | dataw0lf | tierra|w: duh, I always use auto_increment unsigned indices. |
| 21:15.27 | tierra|w | excellent, then we're set |
| 21:15.29 | dataw0lf | tierra|w: I'm putting a 'parent_comment' field in the comments table, so we can have nested comments. |
| 21:15.36 | wps | it's alive! |
| 21:15.41 | wps | big thanks to jsmith for fixing the boot |
| 21:15.53 | optikal_ | wps: told u it wasnt hard |
| 21:16.02 | dataw0lf | what wasn't hard? |
| 21:16.03 | optikal_ | jsmith: thanks. i was kinda busy anyways =) |
| 21:16.10 | optikal_ | dataw0lf: chrooting a install and installing grub to the mbr |
| 21:16.12 | tierra|w | parent comments, good thinking |
| 21:16.37 | dataw0lf | what OS ? |
| 21:16.42 | optikal_ | dataw0lf: fc3 |
| 21:16.49 | dataw0lf | oh, yuk. |
| 21:16.50 | optikal_ | the new uphpu server |
| 21:16.58 | optikal_ | dataw0lf: yeh. my thoughts exactly too, but not my decision =) |
| 21:17.19 | dataw0lf | Debian Uber Alles! |
| 21:17.27 | optikal_ | dataw0lf: u still comin on fri right? |
| 21:17.33 | optikal_ | fri night that iz |
| 21:17.37 | dataw0lf | optikal_: um, I dunno, we'll see. |
| 21:17.44 | optikal_ | dataw0lf: u going to 2600? |
| 21:17.44 | dataw0lf | Roxie might behead me. but I can try. |
| 21:17.54 | dataw0lf | Yeah, I'm going to 2600. |
| 21:17.55 | optikal_ | i want to get that Ubuntu cds from uz |
| 21:18.02 | dataw0lf | np, which ones? |
| 21:18.13 | dataw0lf | x86, 64, ppc ? |
| 21:18.14 | optikal_ | the set tierra had.. 2 cds, a live and a install disc i believe |
| 21:18.16 | optikal_ | oh |
| 21:18.16 | optikal_ | x86 |
| 21:18.20 | dataw0lf | aight. |
| 21:18.26 | dataw0lf | I'll probably bring em all to hand em out. |
| 21:18.29 | optikal_ | word |
| 21:25.58 | tbye | I think I'll plan all of my vegas trips midweek... 24.99 a night. |
| 21:26.08 | tbye | jumps to 149.99 a night on friday-sun. |
| 21:26.25 | tbye | makes sense... but didn't realize it was that big a price break. |
| 21:26.32 | wps | alright... question for you lasd |
| 21:26.33 | tbye | www.stationcasinos.com |
| 21:26.39 | wps | eth0 did not start |
| 21:26.59 | wps | a) how do I start it and b) how do I set it to start automatically on boot |
| 21:27.00 | wps | ? |
| 21:27.50 | tierra|w | this time I should probably just do it already |
| 21:27.57 | tbye | tierra|w headed south too? |
| 21:28.06 | tbye | ... this weekend I mean? |
| 21:28.17 | tierra|w | not for another 6 months or so, but yeah |
| 21:28.36 | tbye | I need some sunshine |
| 21:31.48 | optikal_ | tierra|w: damn.. we have been saying that for what, over a month |
| 21:32.25 | tierra|w | yeah... I'm on the phone right now |
| 21:32.43 | optikal_ | coo |
| 21:32.51 | optikal_ | gimme the infoz when u got it, i really need one too |
| 21:33.30 | dataw0lf | wps: you can 'start' it with an ifup eth0 |
| 21:33.45 | dataw0lf | wps: ifconfig / ifup are the two commands. |
| 21:33.52 | dataw0lf | remember to do a .. what is it.. ifconfig commit ? |
| 21:34.11 | tierra|w | should be $139/night + tax ... we usually reserve for 4 nights and get there a day early, stay a day later... makes it so there's no rush, and we can party sunday night |
| 21:37.39 | dataw0lf | did we come up with a room sharing plan? |
| 21:37.48 | optikal_ | thats what i was just asking tierra |
| 21:38.02 | tierra|w | so this year, it would be July 28 through August 1st (which I just finished reserving for) |
| 21:38.21 | tierra|w | still haven't worked everything out |
| 21:38.24 | optikal_ | tierra|w: who do you have planned staying with you? |
| 21:38.31 | optikal_ | or is that still even fuzzy? |
| 21:38.33 | dataw0lf | me and tierra|w were planning on sharing the bed. |
| 21:38.37 | optikal_ | i figured that |
| 21:38.38 | optikal_ | heh |
| 21:38.44 | dataw0lf | one side, you guys can have the other side. |
| 21:38.53 | dataw0lf | cuz I wants to cuddle. |
| 21:38.56 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 21:39.29 | optikal_ | everyone in my party doesnt mind if they have a bed or not.. so we can do this the cheap way, or the comfortable way.. |
| 21:39.33 | tierra|w | well, brad and jared and adrenaline roomed last year... there's no way adrenaline is rooming again this year, leaving brad and jared's decision up in the air... I don't even know if Jared is planning to go this year (with all his crazy changes recently) |
| 21:39.45 | tierra|w | so it may just be me and brad right now |
| 21:39.48 | dataw0lf | 'omgz I h8 computers' |
| 21:40.28 | tierra|w | if all of us show at 2600 this friday, we should work it out... but I do already have a room reserved |
| 21:40.50 | dataw0lf | Grifter and dedhed aren't going to be there, eh? |
| 21:40.53 | dataw0lf | that's no fun. |
| 21:41.01 | tierra|w | yeah |
| 21:41.09 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 21:41.28 | optikal_ | tierra|w: that will work, and any other details (with some ppl that arent @ 2600) can be worked out fri evening too. |
| 21:41.31 | dataw0lf | I might grace ye halls of the Mall with my elitist presence. |
| 21:41.32 | tierra|w | damn... forgot to write out rent check this morning |
| 21:42.32 | optikal_ | is harm even going? |
| 21:42.37 | dataw0lf | tierra|w: I'm going to write some sample SQL queries for this database structure too, so you can see how it works out, cause I know you're not smart enough to look at the structure and figure it out yourself. |
| 21:42.45 | dataw0lf | optikal_: who is all going to be at your house Friday ? |
| 21:42.50 | tierra|w | I'm willing to bet Jared doesn't even want to go this year |
| 21:42.58 | dataw0lf | he not at work again today? |
| 21:43.08 | optikal_ | dataw0lf: uhm.. Myself,Sarah, Tracy, Jenn, Brandy, F8l, Tierra, and then u(?) |
| 21:43.11 | tierra|w | yeah |
| 21:43.15 | optikal_ | oh, and Harm |
| 21:43.27 | dataw0lf | Brandy? eek. |
| 21:43.30 | tbye | Anybody read Build a DB Driven Site -- Quick? |
| 21:43.36 | optikal_ | tierra|w: if he does, it wont make much sense.. hes not into partying nor is he into coputers much anymore, but hey.. we'll see |
| 21:43.41 | optikal_ | dataw0lf: ?? |
| 21:43.42 | dataw0lf | tbye: nope. |
| 21:43.50 | dataw0lf | optikal_: isn't Brandy the lesbian? |
| 21:43.54 | optikal_ | dataw0lf: Andrea.. Brandy.. same person |
| 21:43.57 | optikal_ | yeah.. but shes way cool |
| 21:44.00 | optikal_ | she was over last night. |
| 21:44.21 | tierra|w | I thought that whole issue was worked out when you ignored her the other night |
| 21:44.31 | optikal_ | Not the other chick |
| 21:44.33 | optikal_ | uhm.. |
| 21:44.33 | dataw0lf | we're talking about the same lesbian right? |
| 21:44.34 | tierra|w | oh |
| 21:44.46 | optikal_ | Juliette is the one that you got with |
| 21:44.49 | optikal_ | She will not be there. |
| 21:44.53 | dataw0lf | oh, that's right. |
| 21:44.57 | tierra|w | so many of them, it's hard to keep track... rol |
| 21:44.58 | optikal_ | We told brandy *only* to bring herself |
| 21:45.11 | optikal_ | tierra|w: god.. you shoulda seen that one night there was 12 bi/lesbians over.. it was overload mode for me |
| 21:45.13 | dataw0lf | oh, Brandy was the other one at the party that night, with Juliette? |
| 21:45.24 | optikal_ | Yeah.. shes hispanic i think? or atleast a bit darkskinned. |
| 21:45.29 | tierra|w | heh |
| 21:45.30 | dataw0lf | ok, yeah, she's cool. |
| 21:45.31 | optikal_ | She was the one that was with Juliette @ the rave |
| 21:45.40 | optikal_ | yah.. shes way cool, really nice and a 'calm' person.. |
| 21:45.45 | dataw0lf | right, yeah, I saw that number in my phone and mixed her up with Juliette. |
| 21:45.49 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 21:45.57 | optikal_ | yah.. Juliette or any others will not be there, just Brandy. |
| 21:46.08 | dataw0lf | ok. |
| 21:46.10 | dataw0lf | we'll see. |
| 21:46.16 | optikal_ | u better be there, f00 |
| 21:46.18 | optikal_ | =P |
| 21:46.19 | dataw0lf | if I can make up an excuse for why I'm not going to hang out with Roxie. |
| 21:46.26 | dataw0lf | hm. car crash? |
| 21:46.29 | optikal_ | haha |
| 21:46.30 | optikal_ | death? |
| 21:46.31 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:46.32 | optikal_ | err no |
| 21:46.46 | optikal_ | just tell ehr u wanna hang wit da boyz |
| 21:47.07 | dataw0lf | I dunno how well that will go over. |
| 21:47.10 | dataw0lf | But we'll see. |
| 21:47.11 | optikal_ | damn |
| 21:47.20 | optikal_ | kinda crazy |
| 21:47.21 | dataw0lf | she's gotta work Saturday morning, so that's points for me. |
| 21:47.27 | tierra|w | oh crap... I totally didn't think about that... I shouldn't of mentioned anything with Roxie there a couple nights ago... |
| 21:47.27 | optikal_ | i couldnt handle that =P |
| 21:47.37 | dataw0lf | tierra|w: yeah, you put me in a bad position. |
| 21:47.45 | tierra|w | damn... sorry man |
| 21:47.49 | optikal_ | im married, so i can handle it now.. however, not dating. |
| 21:47.53 | dataw0lf | tierra|w: You did see that look I gave you after you said it, right? |
| 21:47.55 | optikal_ | tierra|w: wtg gomer. |
| 21:47.59 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 21:48.09 | optikal_ | i love that 'SHUT UP! SHHHH NOW! NO MORE!' look |
| 21:48.17 | dataw0lf | I have it patented. |
| 21:48.21 | optikal_ | really? nice. |
| 21:48.28 | dataw0lf | you should've seen this look I gave kryp71k at the bar one night. |
| 21:48.46 | dataw0lf | with this girl Becky. he's like 'oh, this is the one that uses Linux?' |
| 21:48.50 | optikal_ | was he grabbin at ya again? |
| 21:48.54 | dataw0lf | she looks at me and says 'what's Linux?' |
| 21:48.58 | optikal_ | HAHA |
| 21:49.04 | optikal_ | whoops! |
| 21:49.13 | dataw0lf | I was like 'HAHAHAH! <killer look>' |
| 21:49.22 | optikal_ | exactly |
| 21:49.46 | tierra|w | heh... Gmail changed up their invite UI yet again... |
| 21:49.54 | tierra|w | that's kinda cool |
| 21:50.40 | dataw0lf | really ? |
| 21:50.47 | optikal_ | yeah |
| 21:51.02 | dataw0lf | gmail totally made javascript cool again. |
| 21:51.07 | optikal_ | haha |
| 21:51.12 | optikal_ | Google made a lot of things cool again |
| 21:51.25 | optikal_ | much like xhttpd-s or whatever the fook it is (google suggest) |
| 21:51.29 | *** join/#uphpu jakea (~jakea@byu147137wks.byu.edu) |
| 21:51.48 | optikal_ | its been around forever, but no one ever really took it and ran with it |
| 21:52.01 | optikal_ | and compatability use to be an issue with it, but is now not |
| 21:54.00 | *** join/#uphpu spiderbiter (~spiderbit@38.119.177.194) |
| 21:56.28 | dataw0lf | My biting commentary on Blogs should be saved for prosperity. |
| 21:56.35 | dataw0lf | That's why I'm fully behind Blog Jihad. |
| 21:56.57 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 21:57.19 | dataw0lf | tierra|w: you know, if you do a www.blogjihad.org it forwards you to ibaku.net's root dir. |
| 21:57.37 | tierra|w | oh, I didn't put a serveralias on it... one sec |
| 21:57.58 | optikal_ | takes me to ibaku site, not dir |
| 21:58.18 | optikal_ | "This page will serve as the home of Net Gnuk Tierra and what was going to be my school site. Hopefully I have some more free time in the next month or two to finish moving everything and put up a few things I've been meaning to put up for a while now in the first place" |
| 21:59.05 | dataw0lf | that's what I mean. |
| 21:59.18 | tierra|w | ok, fixed |
| 21:59.20 | dataw0lf | ibaku's root dir ie the apache root for that domain. |
| 21:59.25 | optikal_ | aah ok |
| 21:59.29 | optikal_ | Aahha |
| 21:59.30 | optikal_ | i see now |
| 21:59.34 | optikal_ | didnt know you had a temp page setup |
| 22:00.01 | tierra|w | I still have http://blogjihad.ibaku.net/ setup from when I didn't have the domain setup yet |
| 22:00.09 | optikal_ | nice |
| 22:00.21 | tierra|w | I've got DNS and VirtualHosts in Apache mastered... |
| 22:00.33 | optikal_ | yah |
| 22:00.48 | optikal_ | i dont know if i'd call it mastered, but i know it pretty well |
| 22:00.53 | optikal_ | for myself, that is |
| 22:01.51 | wps | dataw0lf: how to I use infonfig? |
| 22:01.56 | wps | correction: ifconfig |
| 22:02.17 | wps | it is saying that it can't even see it... as if there isn't even a cable plugged in |
| 22:02.43 | dataw0lf | when you type ifconfig it gives you an error message ? |
| 22:02.53 | wps | no |
| 22:03.13 | dataw0lf | hm, FC3... does /etc/network/interfaces exist ? |
| 22:03.17 | wps | when I typed ifup eth0, I get "failed; no link present... check cables" |
| 22:03.17 | optikal_ | chances are you network card driver module isnt loaded |
| 22:03.18 | tierra|w | just doesn't list the connection? ... it should even if it's not working, so long as you have the drivers loaded up |
| 22:03.45 | dataw0lf | yeah, type ifup eth0 and then check dmesg. |
| 22:04.12 | wps | no, that doesn't exist, dataw0lf |
| 22:04.36 | dataw0lf | eh, stupid RH and their weird file / directory structure. |
| 22:04.44 | dataw0lf | ok, do a ifup eth0 again |
| 22:04.46 | dataw0lf | then type dmesg |
| 22:04.49 | wps | did it |
| 22:04.51 | dataw0lf | and give me like the last 4 or 5 lines |
| 22:04.57 | wps | it spit out a ton of stuff |
| 22:05.04 | dataw0lf | right, just need the last 4 or 5 lines. |
| 22:05.07 | wps | NET: Registered protocol family 10 |
| 22:05.17 | wps | IPv6 over IPv4 tunnelling driver |
| 22:05.29 | wps | divert: not allocating divert_blk for non-ethernet sit0 |
| 22:05.52 | wps | Disabled Privacy Extensions on device 02326ce0(lo) |
| 22:05.56 | wps | that's the last for |
| 22:06.00 | wps | (not in the correct order) |
| 22:06.27 | wps | what is interesting is that my router sees something there and has assigned it an IP |
| 22:06.33 | wps | so I think that the nic card is good |
| 22:06.44 | wps | perhaps I need to install a driver? |
| 22:07.00 | optikal_ | well, is it possibly a ghost lease on your router? |
| 22:07.26 | dataw0lf | hrm. |
| 22:07.28 | dataw0lf | hrmmmm. |
| 22:07.30 | wps | could be |
| 22:07.37 | wps | what mean anything to you, dataw0lf ? |
| 22:07.42 | wps | is that what you needed? |
| 22:10.06 | dataw0lf | Man, I hate RH, one sec, I think it might be in bugzilla. |
| 22:10.09 | dataw0lf | what's the NIC card ? |
| 22:10.30 | wps | uh... I have no idea |
| 22:10.41 | optikal_ | thats very important we find out |
| 22:10.47 | optikal_ | maybe lookup the model # of hte box on google? |
| 22:10.50 | wps | this is the driver that jsmith recommended though: Intel's E1000 driver |
| 22:11.00 | wps | that's what he uses on the same system |
| 22:11.06 | dataw0lf | what kernel are you on ? |
| 22:11.14 | wps | Fedora 3 |
| 22:11.20 | optikal_ | not distro =) |
| 22:11.24 | bigdog_ut | type: lspci and | grep Ethernet |
| 22:11.30 | wps | oh, sorry |
| 22:11.31 | bigdog_ut | lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 22:11.39 | dataw0lf | wps: type /exec -o uname -a from irc wps |
| 22:11.54 | dataw0lf | (if you're on the box, heh, might not be) |
| 22:12.01 | dataw0lf | type uname -a and give us the output |
| 22:12.08 | wps | chatting on a separate system |
| 22:12.11 | optikal_ | dataw0lf: i doubt it since he has no network |
| 22:12.27 | dataw0lf | alright just gimme uname -a output. |
| 22:12.28 | bigdog_ut | type: lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 22:12.40 | optikal_ | lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 22:12.42 | optikal_ | ok now what? |
| 22:12.43 | optikal_ | =P |
| 22:12.51 | bigdog_ut | nice optikal_ |
| 22:13.11 | dataw0lf | let me just find what kernel it is, if it's 2.6.5 I think I know what it is. |
| 22:13.31 | wps | Etnernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5701 Gigibit Thernet (rev 15) |
| 22:13.40 | optikal_ | wps: okay, now do uname -a |
| 22:13.43 | optikal_ | and return us the results |
| 22:14.40 | wps | Linux max 2.6.9-1.667smp #1 SMP Tues Nov 2 14:59:52 EST 2994 i686 i383 CNU/Linux |
| 22:15.22 | dataw0lf | FC3 uses 6.9? damn. |
| 22:15.34 | bigdog_ut | gentoo...2.6.10...nicer |
| 22:15.35 | optikal_ | yah my thoughts exactly |
| 22:15.49 | dataw0lf | 2.6.8 good nuff fo me. |
| 22:16.02 | optikal_ | bigdog_ut: gentoo >>>> fc3 =P |
| 22:16.04 | dataw0lf | I don't get the 'I MUST HAVE NEWEST KERNEL OMGZ' |
| 22:16.08 | wps | so, you think that I just need to install a driver? |
| 22:16.21 | dataw0lf | it uses the tg3 module I believe. |
| 22:16.31 | bigdog_ut | what does lsmod out put |
| 22:16.45 | wps | a whole page of stuff |
| 22:16.47 | bigdog_ut | or see if it has tg3 |
| 22:16.48 | wps | you need it all? |
| 22:16.57 | dataw0lf | lsmod | grep tg3 |
| 22:16.57 | bigdog_ut | lsmod | grep tg3 |
| 22:16.58 | wps | i see tg3 on there |
| 22:17.16 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 22:17.18 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 22:17.20 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 22:17.41 | wps | so it's on the system but not running? or installed or something? |
| 22:17.52 | dataw0lf | did you run lsmod | grep tg3 ? |
| 22:17.55 | bigdog_ut | it is installed and loaded |
| 22:18.00 | dataw0lf | give us the output. |
| 22:18.06 | bigdog_ut | how many nics on the box? |
| 22:18.16 | dataw0lf | o_O good question. |
| 22:18.31 | wps | there are two ports (nic 1 and 2) |
| 22:18.58 | wps | "lsmod | grep tg3" returns |
| 22:19.09 | wps | "tg3 79045 0" |
| 22:19.20 | bigdog_ut | okay |
| 22:19.25 | dataw0lf | modprobe tg3 <-- type that, just for kicks. |
| 22:19.30 | wps | from what I can see both ports are on the same card |
| 22:19.46 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, did you have a url to that nic? |
| 22:20.03 | wps | modprobe returned nothing |
| 22:20.13 | dataw0lf | try an ifup eth0 |
| 22:20.21 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: one sec. |
| 22:20.57 | wps | same: "failed; no link present... check cables" |
| 22:21.01 | dataw0lf | http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=532 that's all I found really. |
| 22:21.45 | wps | think I should try the driver that jsmith recommended? he uses it on his servers of the same brand/model |
| 22:22.13 | bigdog_ut | u can try loading it |
| 22:22.45 | bigdog_ut | first check to see if it is installed |
| 22:22.54 | bigdog_ut | modprobe -l | grep e1000 |
| 22:22.54 | wps | oh, but if I cannot connect, I would have to download it on another system and then burn it to CD |
| 22:22.58 | wps | sheesh |
| 22:22.59 | tierra|w | it's not about having the newest kernel... it's about having the features only in the newest kernel... at least for me... I don't know about a lot of fags that just get the newest kernel for no reason at all |
| 22:23.43 | bigdog_ut | wps, if modprobe -l | grep e1000 comes back then do this |
| 22:23.51 | dataw0lf | tierra|w: stop trying to protect your fan-boy cutting edgness |
| 22:24.02 | tierra|w | hence why I'm still running old kernels =P ... I'd be more than happy to jump on 2.6.10-mm just for reiser4, but I haven't found the time to play with it |
| 22:24.03 | bigdog_ut | modprobe e1000 |
| 22:24.24 | bigdog_ut | that is what i use...reiser4 all the way |
| 22:24.44 | wps | "modprobe -l | grep e1000" returned "/lib/modules/2.6.9-1.667swp/kernel/drivers/net/e1000/e1000.ko |
| 22:24.51 | bigdog_ut | k you have it |
| 22:24.51 | wps | yes, it came back |
| 22:25.00 | bigdog_ut | now modprobe e1000 |
| 22:25.10 | bigdog_ut | then check to see if it is loaded |
| 22:25.17 | wps | "modprobe e1000" returned "e1000: ignoring new-style parameters in presense of obsolete ones" |
| 22:25.42 | bigdog_ut | type lsmod | grep e1000 |
| 22:25.44 | jsmith | wps: Look in /etc/modprobe.conf for e1000? |
| 22:26.07 | wps | nope, not in that file |
| 22:27.05 | wps | "lsmod | grep e1000" returned "e1000 80205 0" |
| 22:27.19 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 22:27.27 | wps | jsmith: should it be in that file? |
| 22:27.35 | dataw0lf | if this works you can add it. |
| 22:27.36 | bigdog_ut | now you can try and see if the nic will come up |
| 22:27.51 | bigdog_ut | ifup eth0 |
| 22:27.56 | wps | I haven't changed anything yet though, have it? |
| 22:27.59 | wps | I? |
| 22:28.02 | dataw0lf | no. |
| 22:28.04 | jsmith | wps: I was just wonding if there was anything like "alias e1000 eth0" in there. |
| 22:28.30 | wps | no, "ifup eth0" still doesn't work |
| 22:29.18 | bigdog_ut | wps, is there anything in that file that has eth0 in it? |
| 22:29.43 | wps | yes |
| 22:29.50 | bigdog_ut | what is it? |
| 22:29.51 | wps | alias eth0 tg3 |
| 22:29.58 | wps | should that be changed to |
| 22:30.01 | wps | alias eth0 e1000 |
| 22:30.02 | wps | ? |
| 22:30.06 | bigdog_ut | t |
| 22:30.10 | wps | t? |
| 22:30.18 | bigdog_ut | if jsmith thinks it should |
| 22:30.22 | wps | jsmith? |
| 22:30.31 | jsmith | Yes! |
| 22:30.33 | jsmith | Try that. |
| 22:30.37 | jsmith | The default tg3 driver sucks. |
| 22:30.53 | jsmith | Oh, wait -- g3 -- hmmmmnn.... |
| 22:30.54 | bigdog_ut | whatz the mod command to reload the ocnfig? |
| 22:31.10 | bigdog_ut | for fecrappy |
| 22:31.44 | wps | be nice |
| 22:35.10 | wps | should the entry in that file be in the format "alias eth0 e1000"? or "alias e1000 eth0"? |
| 22:36.28 | bigdog_ut | the first |
| 22:36.36 | bigdog_ut | alias eth0 e1000 |
| 22:37.12 | jsmith | I think I'm confusing two different servers -- I'm not sure the e1000 driver works on that machine. |
| 22:37.19 | jsmith | But give it a shot! |
| 22:37.23 | tierra|w | bigdog_ut, have you had the chance to play with any reiser4 plugins at all? how's your impression of performance? |
| 22:37.39 | wps | no, doesn't appear to work |
| 22:37.41 | bigdog_ut | i think i have one plugin |
| 22:37.55 | wps | ifup eth0 still doesn't work |
| 22:37.56 | wps | :( |
| 22:38.51 | bigdog_ut | tierra|w, the plugins rock |
| 22:39.41 | bigdog_ut | i have never had any issues with my reiser...even with power outages with older version i would get corruption...now it all works |
| 22:39.42 | tierra|w | yeah, I've only heard of some of the sweet stuff you can do with plugins |
| 22:40.09 | wps | any other ideas? |
| 22:40.21 | wps | I've never had a nic not work |
| 22:40.27 | tierra|w | I can't even remember some of the stuff now, but I remember it was like all these ideas you would never think possible |
| 22:41.20 | bigdog_ut | try /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 22:42.48 | bigdog_ut | isnt there a redhat tool to configure nics |
| 22:42.54 | wps | whoa... I just got a kernel error |
| 22:42.55 | bigdog_ut | redhat-config-network? |
| 22:43.02 | bigdog_ut | what is the error? |
| 22:43.22 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 22:43.27 | wps | well... there is pages of junk on the screen |
| 22:43.28 | wps | but... |
| 22:43.40 | bigdog_ut | kernel panic! |
| 22:43.46 | bigdog_ut | that is a nice one |
| 22:43.56 | wps | something about buffer I/O error on device dm-0... lost page write |
| 22:44.06 | optikal_ | uhh |
| 22:44.14 | wps | there was more but it is off the screen |
| 22:44.19 | optikal_ | shift page-up |
| 22:48.11 | wps | k... |
| 22:48.17 | wps | bigdog_ut: I did the network restart |
| 22:48.20 | wps | eth0 still failed |
| 22:48.53 | bigdog_ut | have tried to set it with ifconfig? |
| 22:48.53 | jsmith | Any way you can get the latest FC3 kernel on a usb key and try that? |
| 22:49.07 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: It's a known problem with the TG3 driver. |
| 22:49.22 | bigdog_ut | that it does not work? |
| 22:50.05 | jsmith | Doesn't work on all the BMC5300 chips. Some people suggest getting the latest drivers from Broadcom. http://www.broadcom.com/drivers/downloaddrivers.php |
| 22:50.28 | scott_ | anyone use a php optimizer? |
| 22:50.54 | bigdog_ut | that might be the best...they need compiled in dont they? |
| 22:51.10 | jsmith | scott_: I have in the past. |
| 22:51.23 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Naw, just build their module. |
| 22:51.44 | scott_ | jsmith, which one? |
| 22:51.57 | bigdog_ut | oh that is nice...wps you might need to get that driver, but it on a floppy and build it on the box |
| 22:52.04 | wps | k |
| 22:52.08 | bigdog_ut | wps you get all that |
| 22:52.21 | wps | I will work on that tonight |
| 22:52.22 | bigdog_ut | and then i would like a large pizza with everything on it |
| 22:52.24 | wps | I have to get to class |
| 22:52.38 | wps | thanks everyone |
| 22:52.51 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf and tierra|w what u guys want |
| 22:53.28 | tierra|w | could use some olives and mushrooms |
| 22:53.42 | bigdog_ut | mushrooms i like |
| 22:54.01 | tierra|w | hehe |
| 22:54.02 | bigdog_ut | uh...mushrooms from prarie schooner would be nice |
| 23:03.36 | bigdog_ut | can any tell me what googles ip address is? |
| 23:03.46 | bigdog_ut | our dns is down |
| 23:04.17 | jsmith | www.google.com. is an alias for www.google.akadns.net. |
| 23:04.18 | jsmith | www.google.akadns.net. has address 216.239.57.103 |
| 23:04.18 | jsmith | www.google.akadns.net. has address 216.239.57.104 |
| 23:04.18 | jsmith | www.google.akadns.net. has address 216.239.57.147 |
| 23:04.18 | jsmith | www.google.akadns.net. has address 216.239.57.99 |
| 23:04.33 | bigdog_ut | thanks |
| 23:04.58 | jsmith | np |
| 23:14.29 | bigdog_ut | they probably have killer load balancers |
| 23:14.30 | jsmith | tierra|w: They use akamai. |
| 23:14.43 | jsmith | Looks to me to be round-robin DNS of some sort. |
| 23:14.53 | jsmith | Maybe round-robin hitting different load balancers. |
| 23:14.53 | bigdog_ut | mostlikely |
| 23:15.32 | jsmith | But there's definitely a round-robin aspect to it. |
| 23:15.32 | tierra|w | has to be |
| 23:15.32 | bigdog_ut | yeah they probably have loads infront of loads |
| 23:21.32 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Akamai certainly does. |
| 23:24.36 | bigdog_ut | oh i am sure |
| 23:27.33 | bigdog_ut | spiderbiter, your back bor |
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