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| 00:21.58 | spiderbiter | I dunno, dataw0lf, the steak toss was pretty rich! |
| 00:23.30 | tierra|w | that is pretty hard to beat... btw, if you didn |
| 00:24.07 | tierra|w | didn't catch it, dataw0lf was talking about the part where the bully is trying to steal the bike, and Pedro's brothers roll up and shake their heads |
| 00:24.26 | dataw0lf | hehe, with the 'Vote Pedro' in old english on their ride. |
| 00:24.50 | tierra|w | I hate the ' key ... I always slip and hit Enter |
| 00:25.13 | dataw0lf | Napolean Dynamite is the coolest Mormon thing since.... |
| 00:25.19 | dataw0lf | well, it's the coolest Mormon thing. |
| 00:25.43 | spiderbiter | yeah, Pedro's cousins with all the sweet hookups |
| 00:27.18 | spiderbiter | The making King Skip a'la Queen LaFawnda ... that was damn funny too |
| 00:28.51 | spiderbiter | Peace Out! |
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| 01:01.33 | macnewbold | it isn't the ' key that bugs me... it's keyboards that don't put \ and | above the enter key, with Backspace as the top row. |
| 01:01.55 | optikal_ | hehe.. oh yeh |
| 01:02.04 | macnewbold | you know, those funky ones with the weird backwards-L-shaped enter key? yeah, those. |
| 01:02.07 | dataw0lf | or when your space key starts sticking. |
| 01:02.14 | macnewbold | I always hit the enter key when I try to type stuff |
| 01:02.19 | optikal_ | dataw0lf, clean ur kb more often. =P |
| 01:02.21 | macnewbold | or backspace stuff |
| 01:02.26 | optikal_ | macnewbold, same here |
| 01:02.54 | macnewbold | The other one that bugs me is keyboards that move the `/~ key from next to 1/! and put it somewhere else. |
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| 02:58.49 | spiderbiter | optikal_, I found the problem, just not the solution |
| 03:00.48 | spiderbiter | margin-top seems to be throwing whitespace two levels up the chain |
| 03:30.04 | spiderbiter | wps, know how to get rid of misdirected whitespace caused by margin-top? |
| 03:33.01 | spiderbiter | http://metro.edgecast.net/events.php |
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| 04:12.01 | spiderbiter | that ought to get wps's attention. hehe ;-) |
| 04:20.08 | wps | be nice, spiderbiter |
| 04:24.44 | spiderbiter | hey wps, how's it going? |
| 04:27.46 | wps | tired and stressed |
| 04:27.53 | wps | I lost my job friday |
| 04:28.12 | spiderbiter | sorry dude |
| 04:28.34 | wps | it's okay... I am glad to be out of there |
| 04:29.34 | spiderbiter | that's how it was when I got laid off 3 years ago |
| 04:30.10 | spiderbiter | I just about kissed the CEO |
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| 16:05.32 | macnewbold | Morning, all |
| 16:05.38 | macnewbold | so wps, did your new server arrive yet? |
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| 16:09.45 | wps | I picked it up last night |
| 16:09.49 | wps | :) |
| 16:13.48 | optikal | The server? niiice |
| 16:15.18 | wps | yup |
| 16:15.22 | wps | got it here beside me |
| 16:16.03 | wps | it was going to be sever days of shipping for the Dell I was going to purchase, but then I got the offer from the friend for the HP and it was just at a warehouse in SL |
| 16:17.41 | optikal | very nice |
| 16:22.04 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 16:22.14 | macnewbold | have it all set up yet? What OS are you going to run on it? |
| 16:22.28 | optikal | Windows 3.1, duhhh |
| 16:22.37 | wps | haven't even had a chance to turn it on yet, actually :( |
| 16:22.54 | wps | was up all night (until 3 am) finishing a paper for school |
| 16:23.11 | wps | I only have two paragraphs left though and then I'll be firing this thing up! |
| 16:23.18 | wps | Pretty sure that I am going to go with RH 9 |
| 16:23.40 | wps | reason 1: I am most familiar with that |
| 16:23.50 | wps | reason 2: I already have the cds here! |
| 16:24.08 | macnewbold | RH9? not FC3? or FreeBSD? |
| 16:24.19 | macnewbold | does RH even run (well) on a G4? |
| 16:24.35 | wps | hmm... good point |
| 16:24.42 | wps | perhaps I should go with FC3 |
| 16:25.08 | wps | I wasn't thinking of recent updates |
| 16:25.21 | macnewbold | RH9 doesn't even get security updates anymore, does it? |
| 16:25.37 | wps | I am pretty sure that it does... that's what we were running on the server that I am leaving |
| 16:25.50 | wps | hmm... there's no way that I can download that here at home though... that'd kill my bandwidth and take forever |
| 16:26.00 | macnewbold | well, that probably won't last long... that's like 3 years old, isn't it? |
| 16:26.21 | wps | uh... I don't think that it's that old |
| 16:26.58 | macnewbold | if you've got 1 Mbps, you could download up to 7MB/minute, or <=100Min for an .iso of a newer OS. |
| 16:27.15 | wps | I think that I might try the bit torrent |
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| 16:27.24 | macnewbold | just start it before you leave the house to go somewhere :) |
| 16:28.05 | bigdog_ut | u should put gentoo on it |
| 16:28.18 | wps | this should be the one, right? "Fedora Core 3 binary iso images for x86_64" |
| 16:28.25 | bigdog_ut | actually i am partial to debian and freebsd on servers |
| 16:28.46 | bigdog_ut | or suse |
| 16:29.02 | bigdog_ut | is there a scsi raid on it? |
| 16:29.07 | macnewbold | freebsd rocks for servers... ask anyone in #gubug ;) |
| 16:29.11 | bigdog_ut | i have redhat advanced server stuff |
| 16:29.16 | wps | I would like to try another distro some time, but right now there is not time for the learning curve. RH and Fedora is all that I have played with, so I need that. |
| 16:29.22 | wps | yes, SCSI raid |
| 16:29.54 | macnewbold | wps: x86_64 is probably not the one you need if you've got a G4 processor... it's not x86 |
| 16:30.38 | wps | i386? |
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| 16:32.24 | bigdog_ut | what processor do you have? |
| 16:32.35 | wps | Xeon 3 GHz |
| 16:32.53 | bigdog_ut | does xeon run 64bit |
| 16:33.04 | drewbono | No. |
| 16:33.30 | wps | it doesn't? |
| 16:33.38 | bigdog_ut | i think it is |
| 16:35.39 | bigdog_ut | any documentation with the server |
| 16:35.44 | wps | nope |
| 16:35.57 | bigdog_ut | i think you do need the x86_64 if it is a xeon 64 |
| 16:38.21 | bigdog_ut | if you have a xeon mp then you have hyper-threading too which would be nice too |
| 16:39.32 | wps | I don't see anything on here that states if it is 64 or not |
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| 16:39.33 | wps | http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantdl360/ |
| 16:39.56 | wps | it does say that it has hyper-threading though |
| 16:40.08 | wps | unless... is "EM64T" what we are looking for? |
| 16:40.10 | bigdog_ut | cool...you will need to enable it in the bios |
| 16:40.20 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 16:40.27 | wps | sweet... so we have both |
| 16:40.28 | wps | very nice |
| 16:41.09 | bigdog_ut | em64t means extended memory 64 technology |
| 16:41.13 | wps | bigdog_ut: with it having raid and 2GB of ram, will I still want to set up the swap in the HDs? |
| 16:42.20 | wps | (that we had discussed) |
| 16:43.08 | jsmith | wps: What do you want to know about the DL360? I work on them every day. |
| 16:43.15 | wps | you do? |
| 16:43.16 | wps | sweet |
| 16:43.26 | jsmith | wps: Yes, I manage hundreds of them. |
| 16:43.41 | wps | I just bought one and was just about to start downloading FC3 for it |
| 16:43.52 | jsmith | wps: Generation 3, or generation 4? |
| 16:43.57 | wps | G4 |
| 16:44.18 | jsmith | Sweet... |
| 16:44.18 | wps | 3.0 GHz, single proc, 2GB ram |
| 16:44.29 | wps | it has some fiber card or something in the back.... do you know what that is? |
| 16:44.31 | jsmith | Only single proc, eh? That's no fun. |
| 16:44.40 | wps | yeah, wish it had the second |
| 16:44.44 | wps | I will be saving for that |
| 16:44.49 | jsmith | wps: Fiber card? Yeah, I want it. (Don't know what it is, but I want it.) |
| 16:45.03 | wps | well, I have one... I'll trade you for a second proc |
| 16:45.20 | jsmith | Well, let me know what kind of card it is, and we might have a deal :-) |
| 16:45.30 | wps | really? |
| 16:45.45 | jsmith | Maybe. |
| 16:46.01 | wps | I don't know anything about it |
| 16:46.02 | jsmith | Depending on what kind of card it is, the card could easily be worth more than the proc. |
| 16:46.09 | wps | oh? |
| 16:46.21 | jsmith | If it's a fiber-channel card, it could be a pricey little item. They threw it in for free? |
| 16:46.33 | wps | it was just "part of the system" |
| 16:46.45 | wps | what do fiber-channel cards do? |
| 16:46.47 | wps | what are they for? |
| 16:46.48 | jsmith | Yeah right. |
| 16:47.20 | wps | the server is a damaged/lost shipment item |
| 16:47.48 | jsmith | You lucky bastard. |
| 16:47.54 | wps | yup :) |
| 16:48.09 | wps | so someone else configured it |
| 16:48.20 | wps | so what's that card? |
| 16:48.31 | jsmith | Give me a model number, and I'll let you know. |
| 16:48.36 | jsmith | Or, I'll buy it from you for $10. |
| 16:48.45 | jsmith | Sight unseen. |
| 16:48.52 | wps | riiiiiiiight |
| 16:50.16 | dataw0lf | fiber optic channel cards rox0rz if you want to build a fabric network. |
| 16:50.59 | jsmith | wps: Fiber channel cards usually connect you to SANS or high-speed tape backup libraries. |
| 16:51.00 | wps | ah, it's like optical out on a stereo? |
| 16:51.07 | wps | ah |
| 16:51.17 | wps | here are some numbers... not sure which is the model number |
| 16:51.23 | wps | NC6 770 |
| 16:51.27 | wps | series NNB113 |
| 16:51.28 | jsmith | wps: It's for high-speed data transfer -- think SCSI over fiber |
| 16:51.38 | wps | 24700-001 |
| 16:51.40 | wps | SPARES |
| 16:51.45 | dataw0lf | it's an alternative to iSCSI. |
| 16:51.52 | dataw0lf | and it doesn't have to be over fiber; alot are over copper. |
| 16:51.57 | wps | C7: P66930BFVFW5GC |
| 16:52.02 | dataw0lf | it's a secondary choice for a SAN |
| 16:52.09 | wps | 0011277-002 REV 0B |
| 16:53.03 | jsmith | Looks like this card is just a gigabit fiber ethernet card. |
| 16:53.06 | wps | those the right numbers? |
| 16:53.10 | jsmith | Nothing exciting here -- move along. |
| 16:53.13 | wps | hmm |
| 16:53.17 | wps | dern |
| 16:53.27 | jsmith | It's an HP NC6770 card -- http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/networking/NC6770/questionsanswers.html#a1 |
| 16:54.15 | dataw0lf | yeah, it's a SAN card. |
| 16:54.37 | dataw0lf | faster than iSCSI, but I think iSCSI is way more popular (and cheaper). |
| 16:55.18 | wps | how much would a second proc be? |
| 16:55.51 | macnewbold | maybe jsmith has a hookup for a used 2nd proc? ;) |
| 16:56.23 | wps | yes... exactly... jsmith? |
| 17:04.20 | macnewbold | you could also try froogle or google to look online for prices. |
| 17:05.02 | macnewbold | who knows... maybe ebay has one? Or one of the local univ. surplus places might have a used server that is non-functioning (and really cheap) for some reason other than a bad processor |
| 17:06.23 | wps | so what's the difference between " FC3-x86_64-SRPMS" and " FC3-x86_64" ? |
| 17:06.27 | wps | which will I need? |
| 17:06.52 | dataw0lf | hm. |
| 17:06.54 | dataw0lf | good question. |
| 17:07.02 | dataw0lf | they both look like garbage though. |
| 17:07.08 | dataw0lf | -FC3 +Debian |
| 17:07.39 | wps | anyone know what SRPMS means? |
| 17:07.56 | fungus | SRPMS = Source RPM. It just means all the source code. |
| 17:08.09 | jsmith | wps: Nope, I don't. |
| 17:08.35 | jsmith | wps: You want FC3-x86_64 |
| 17:08.45 | wps | thanks |
| 17:08.46 | jsmith | dataw0lf: I thought Debian wasn't going to support 64-bit |
| 17:13.21 | wps | it's coming down at 3 MG / minute... I think |
| 17:13.38 | wps | 65K / second * 60 ? is that right? |
| 17:17.49 | jsmith | wps: You want me to burn you some CDs? (I'm in Orem) |
| 17:18.00 | wps | for a proc? |
| 17:18.09 | wps | j/k. sure, I'd be happy to |
| 17:19.04 | wps | man, too bad I couldn't have foreseen me loosing my job and have downloaded these on the fat pipe before I left |
| 17:19.15 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:29.07 | jsmith | wps: I think you misunderstood what I said -- I'm asking if you want *me* to burn *you* some CDs. |
| 17:31.53 | wps | oh |
| 17:31.58 | wps | uh... hmm. |
| 17:32.03 | wps | that'd would really be nice, actually |
| 17:32.09 | wps | but I don't have a way to get them |
| 17:32.20 | wps | normally I would, but my wife's care broke down last night, so she has mine |
| 17:32.24 | wps | I am stuck here at the house |
| 17:32.36 | wps | (in Lehi) |
| 17:32.45 | wps | what stinks is that we were in Orem this morning at the dentist |
| 17:33.31 | wps | anyone in Salt Lake that can burn me copies? I will be heading to a meeting there this afternoon |
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| 17:39.58 | mindjuju | sorry, caught conversation late. I'm in lehi and can drop off something at after 5p or can call my wife to drop something off (she has the car) |
| 17:40.05 | mindjuju | I also have broadband at work |
| 17:40.19 | mindjuju | what do you need burned and delivered? |
| 17:40.54 | wps | FC3-x86_64 |
| 17:40.57 | wps | http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/x86_64/iso/ |
| 17:41.05 | wps | that would sure be sweet if you would be willing, mindjuju |
| 17:41.12 | wps | this is going to take forever on my connect |
| 17:42.00 | mindjuju | k, quick question, i'm on the page and there are 2 sets of 4 |
| 17:42.08 | mindjuju | one with srpms and the other doesn't say that |
| 17:42.16 | mindjuju | which set of 4 do you need? |
| 17:42.24 | wps | just "FC3-x86_64-disc1.iso" ones |
| 17:42.38 | wps | the others in here said that the "SRPMS" ones were the source |
| 17:42.40 | wps | I don't want to compile it |
| 17:43.37 | wps | you know where 1200 West is, mindjuju? the new pheasant point development? |
| 17:44.19 | mindjuju | k, disc 1 is inbound. I'm not sure where that is, i'm actually on W Main street |
| 17:44.21 | mindjuju | but i can find it |
| 17:44.33 | mindjuju | do you need before 5p or is @5p ok? |
| 17:45.13 | mindjuju | doesn't matter either way |
| 17:45.21 | wps | if I had it before, it would be great, as I could start installing, but I don't need anyone to go way out of their way |
| 17:46.13 | wps | I might even be able to pick them up on my way back from SL (riding with a friend) |
| 17:46.22 | wps | where is your office? |
| 17:46.38 | mindjuju | 130 W Main, Lehi Utah |
| 17:46.38 | wps | (I am going to SL for a 1 o'clock meeting) |
| 17:46.46 | wps | oh, thought you worked in SL |
| 17:47.02 | wps | oh... that was jsmith |
| 17:47.41 | wps | I could probably have my friend stop by your office and pick them up |
| 17:48.14 | mindjuju | let me call my wife and see what's she's doing |
| 17:48.18 | mindjuju | hang on super quick |
| 17:48.23 | wps | sure |
| 17:51.43 | mindjuju | k, well I left message on her cell. These first 2 isos will be here in like 25 minutes |
| 17:51.57 | wps | sweet |
| 17:52.06 | wps | how about this |
| 17:52.22 | wps | don't bother you wife... I will just stop by your office on my way home in a few hours and pick them up |
| 17:52.25 | wps | that work? |
| 17:54.15 | mindjuju | that's awesome |
| 17:54.31 | mindjuju | actually just found out she's in sandy until this afternoon soooo.... |
| 17:55.13 | mindjuju | now i know what she does with the car while i'm at work! |
| 17:57.08 | wps | :) |
| 17:57.10 | wps | shopping |
| 17:57.14 | wps | shopping |
| 17:57.16 | wps | and shopping |
| 17:57.21 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 17:57.58 | mindjuju | well, it's under the premise that there is a nice little playground there for Corban to play at, but I think there are quite a few number of stores between the entry way and the playground |
| 18:06.55 | wps | anyone seeen the new msn.com |
| 18:07.04 | wps | (I only loaded it because I read about it in a news rss feed) |
| 18:07.26 | wps | they just redesigned it in conjunction with them launching their new search (now out of beta) |
| 18:07.41 | wps | it was bad before, but at least looked somewhat professional |
| 18:07.50 | wps | it looks awful now |
| 18:10.52 | optikal | Anyone care to make $10? |
| 18:11.10 | optikal | Paypal'd to your account within 15minutes or whatever.. |
| 18:14.36 | wps | what's that? |
| 18:14.53 | optikal | Doing one of those promotional sign up offers.. my buddy is offering $10 to anyone who will sign up for the thing, which u can cancel, so he can get a free iRiver. http://www.freegeektoys.com/?r=113 It is legit, and he *will* (i promise) paypal u $10 if you do the signup under that link. |
| 18:15.17 | optikal | If, anyone is interested. Just extending an offer |
| 18:15.22 | optikal | $10 buys lunch for 2days heh |
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| 18:19.11 | mindjuju_ | that new msn is really interesting |
| 18:19.35 | mindjuju_ | it's ironic that my SP2 blocked the pop ups on MSN site |
| 18:19.45 | mindjuju_ | love that big picture of bill on the site too |
| 18:19.52 | mindjuju_ | think i'll make it my background image |
| 18:29.29 | optikal | heh |
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| 19:32.24 | macnewbold | I was reading a book the other day, and up in the preface, they mentioned this: |
| 19:33.15 | macnewbold | "Unfortunately, in chapter 5, Microsoft's PR department wouldn't give us permission to use any of their photos of Bill Gates. Thanks to the Albuquerque Police Department for permission to use the photo that appears on page 87." |
| 19:33.24 | macnewbold | and it was a mug shot of bill gates at about 20 years old. |
| 19:33.27 | macnewbold | what a geek |
| 19:38.46 | optikal | yah lol |
| 19:40.16 | jsmith | Aren't we all, though. |
| 19:40.27 | jsmith | I'm sure there are pictures of me out there scarier than Bill Gates at 20. |
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| 21:08.50 | optikal | http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/01/coffee.model.ap/index.html |
| 21:15.26 | mindjuju_ | you've just motivated me to become a model |
| 21:18.37 | optikal | haha |
| 21:18.39 | optikal | please, dont' |
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| 22:28.51 | wps | you boys ready for a good chuckle? |
| 22:29.04 | tierra|w | let's hear it |
| 22:29.05 | macnewbold | always, wade :) |
| 22:29.24 | wps | check your uphpu-jobs-announce mail |
| 22:30.55 | wps | eight dollars for an experienced database programmer? |
| 22:31.04 | wps | uh... how about an intern? |
| 22:33.28 | scott_ | anyone used profiler? |
| 22:34.27 | tierra|w | for what IDE? |
| 22:34.47 | dataw0lf | 8 dollars? wow. |
| 22:35.05 | scott_ | Profiler.php from PEAR |
| 22:35.09 | dataw0lf | I'm guessing by 'experienced database programmer' they mean 'Access Guru' then. |
| 22:35.27 | tierra|w | scott_, sorry, never touched it |
| 22:35.37 | scott_ | why is there no archive of the uphpu-jobs-announce list? |
| 22:36.08 | wps | I figured that there wouldn't be any reason, as they would be out of date so soon |
| 22:36.15 | wps | do you think that it would be beneficial? |
| 22:36.33 | tierra|w | http://turbogold.com/ ... heh... $8/hr |
| 22:38.52 | wps | okay... I tried really hard to restrain myself, but I must comment |
| 22:39.13 | wps | "turbogold" sounds like an herbal supplement |
| 22:39.34 | wps | sorry, It hope that the owner isn't reading |
| 22:39.45 | wps | I don't mean to be mean... that is just what comes to mind |
| 22:40.03 | dataw0lf | these are the guys who are wanting to pay 8 bucks an hour for an experienced database guy ? |
| 22:40.08 | wps | yeah |
| 22:40.29 | dataw0lf | well, I think they deserve to be attacked, honestly. |
| 22:40.38 | dataw0lf | because it sounds like they are trying to exploit somebody. |
| 22:41.04 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't do HTML for 8 bucks an hour. |
| 22:41.24 | dataw0lf | I don't think I'd do anything for 8 bucks an hour. |
| 22:41.26 | wps | I wouldn't do telemarketing for $8/hour! |
| 22:41.37 | optikal | yeh.. me either |
| 22:42.17 | wps | actually, most telemarketing jobs pay $10-11, don't they? |
| 22:42.24 | optikal | yeah |
| 22:42.39 | optikal | $8-11 from what ive seen friends get |
| 22:42.46 | optikal | luckily, ive never had to |
| 22:42.51 | wps | I think that you can make $8 working at a video store, can't you? |
| 22:44.20 | dataw0lf | you make 8 bucks at McDonald's I think. |
| 22:44.53 | mindjuju_ | they probably got caught using overseas outsource. the company i work for had huge project due in 6 months, found overseas outsource to write code, took them 4 months to deliver the code for the project and it was horrendous coding. When they saw what they got for their money, the immediately had to hire somebody to redo whole project, hence i got hired. |
| 22:45.44 | dataw0lf | not like 8 bucks an hour for a local source is going to do any good. |
| 22:45.56 | dataw0lf | you pay for what you get, nuff said. |
| 22:45.57 | mindjuju_ | true, but they may be used to overseas prices |
| 22:46.00 | mindjuju_ | very true |
| 22:46.22 | mindjuju_ | these guys that code the app renamed their variables like 5 times through out the whole application for no reason |
| 22:46.32 | optikal | woo |
| 22:46.35 | optikal | ph34r their skillz |
| 22:46.48 | mindjuju_ | for mysql username was username, for the php login page, it was usernamee, for the account update page it was usernameee |
| 22:47.08 | mindjuju_ | i'm not sure why they just added an e to the end, but that's what happened to all their variables |
| 22:47.20 | wps | weird |
| 22:47.22 | dataw0lf | probably because they didn't know english very well, honestly. |
| 22:47.30 | mindjuju_ | i think that is what it was |
| 22:47.34 | mindjuju_ | didn't know english |
| 22:50.22 | macnewbold | yeah, that $8-10/hr for an "Experienced" php/mysql person is pretty rediculous |
| 22:50.41 | macnewbold | my cousin is a _student_intern_ doing php/mysql, and gets $15/hr |
| 22:51.07 | macnewbold | he's known PHP for all of about 3 months |
| 22:51.18 | macnewbold | and has taken one database class, and played around with mysql some |
| 22:51.23 | tierra|w | I really need to get out of this job.... |
| 22:53.31 | bigdog_ut | jobs like that remind me of the nice sweatshops of the world |
| 22:54.19 | macnewbold | yeah... I could understand $8/hr for an experienced PHP/MySQL person if they were living in India or the Ukraine... but for anyone living in the US, that's a joke |
| 22:54.55 | mindjuju_ | i actually did a paper on that for economics. the sweatshops of the 21 century, call centers and coding sweatshops |
| 22:55.48 | bigdog_ut | that is the truth |
| 22:56.42 | mindjuju_ | well, didn't mean to depress everybody. anybody know a joke? |
| 22:57.06 | optikal | uhmm |
| 22:57.07 | optikal | no |
| 22:57.31 | dataw0lf | only racist ones. |
| 22:57.34 | bigdog_ut | how many developers does it take... |
| 22:57.57 | optikal | parks? ... yah.. perks |
| 22:58.08 | optikal | to unscrew a lightbulb? |
| 22:58.12 | optikal | ... |
| 22:58.25 | bigdog_ut | i got a funny experience |
| 22:58.30 | bigdog_ut | happened last night |
| 22:58.39 | optikal | it better be funny.. |
| 22:58.42 | optikal | just a prewarning |
| 22:58.47 | bigdog_ut | okay |
| 22:59.13 | bigdog_ut | so i am configuring servers, oracle apps, sshin' from my box to the server room |
| 22:59.21 | bigdog_ut | my terminal goes dead |
| 22:59.25 | optikal | uhoh |
| 22:59.30 | bigdog_ut | so i am cus' a storm |
| 22:59.42 | bigdog_ut | cause i could potential hose 4 servers |
| 22:59.54 | optikal | whoopsie |
| 23:00.48 | bigdog_ut | so i start trying to open a new ssh con to the server |
| 23:00.48 | bigdog_ut | nothing |
| 23:00.48 | bigdog_ut | next i notice my network monitor got through the roof and my cpu shoots to 100% |
| 23:00.48 | optikal | haha |
| 23:00.48 | bigdog_ut | desktop freezes |
| 23:00.53 | bigdog_ut | i get to a cmd and kill my nic |
| 23:00.55 | bigdog_ut | nothing |
| 23:01.00 | bigdog_ut | so i unplug it |
| 23:01.12 | bigdog_ut | wait a minuto and things get normal |
| 23:01.24 | bigdog_ut | so i yell out to coworks if anyone can hit the net |
| 23:01.33 | bigdog_ut | course they can |
| 23:01.41 | bigdog_ut | call my bud and see whatz up |
| 23:01.50 | bigdog_ut | cause he likes to attack me |
| 23:01.56 | bigdog_ut | nothing |
| 23:01.58 | optikal | frisky fella eh |
| 23:02.10 | bigdog_ut | he is getting 3mb input on his nic |
| 23:02.20 | bigdog_ut | 3-7 and it is going crazy |
| 23:02.30 | bigdog_ut | so i plug mine in and nothing |
| 23:02.40 | bigdog_ut | so i switch to another box and fire up tcpdump |
| 23:03.00 | bigdog_ut | man packets are flying like crazy..kernel is droppin as many as i get |
| 23:03.34 | optikal | yes |
| 23:03.36 | mindjuju_ | nic chatter on a network pc? |
| 23:03.49 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah but we are killing fiber here |
| 23:03.52 | bigdog_ut | like made |
| 23:04.11 | bigdog_ut | so we kill our net con and start isolating it |
| 23:04.38 | bigdog_ut | we start checking conns to the network and figure it is comming from some room |
| 23:04.43 | bigdog_ut | that has tons of pcs in there |
| 23:04.51 | mindjuju_ | lan game? |
| 23:04.51 | bigdog_ut | however, everyone is gone for the day |
| 23:05.00 | bigdog_ut | no one is in this romm |
| 23:05.33 | bigdog_ut | so we check the switch...and it looks like my christmas tree driving nightrider around the block in vegas |
| 23:05.49 | mindjuju_ | awesome |
| 23:05.56 | bigdog_ut | so we start pulling connections and plugin them back one at a time |
| 23:06.08 | bigdog_ut | we isolate 2 ports and run to the map |
| 23:06.15 | mindjuju_ | never seen nic chatter that bad before |
| 23:06.18 | bigdog_ut | by this time i am hella pissed |
| 23:06.39 | bigdog_ut | so into the room we go searching for the port numbers |
| 23:07.01 | wps | classic line: "so we check the switch...and it looks like my christmas tree driving nightrider around the block in vegas" !! |
| 23:07.06 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 23:07.42 | bigdog_ut | so there me looking at ports |
| 23:07.51 | bigdog_ut | optikal, this is for you man |
| 23:07.54 | bigdog_ut | check this out |
| 23:08.16 | bigdog_ut | we had 2 ports hooked up to 2 hubs/switches |
| 23:08.30 | bigdog_ut | that some one took cable and stuck both ends into!!!! |
| 23:08.42 | bigdog_ut | so we had to loops running |
| 23:08.53 | optikal | haha.. great |
| 23:09.02 | optikal | thats awesome |
| 23:09.11 | optikal | not what i suspected, but yeh |
| 23:09.20 | wps | round and round it goes |
| 23:09.22 | mindjuju_ | wow, did you find out who did that? |
| 23:09.25 | optikal | wps: btways, do you guys still need donations? I can toss some monies when i get paid on Fri |
| 23:09.36 | optikal | mindjuju_: if the did, i hope they're missing a finger! |
| 23:09.56 | wps | I would much appreciate it, yes and thanks |
| 23:09.59 | mindjuju_ | yeah, that's what i'm waiting for... payday |
| 23:10.19 | bigdog_ut | it is kinda funny but man i was furious |
| 23:10.50 | optikal | wps: okes =) |
| 23:11.16 | mindjuju_ | best poster of all time |
| 23:11.16 | mindjuju_ | http://www.despair.com/goals.html |
| 23:11.36 | mindjuju_ | i love looking at that kid's face that's getting pushed out of the way |
| 23:11.52 | wps | anyone happen to be driving from Lehi to Layton this evening ? :) |
| 23:11.54 | macnewbold | we did that once at work, the network loop thing |
| 23:12.04 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 23:12.21 | macnewbold | between a couple of fully loaded Cisco 6509 switches (over 380 10/100 Ethernet ports each) |
| 23:12.23 | wps | I guess I could lug the server onto the buss |
| 23:12.56 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 23:12.58 | wps | man, we sure get dependent on our automobiles |
| 23:13.06 | optikal | mindjuju_: your weird. |
| 23:13.18 | macnewbold | took us a while to find it... it was getting worse and worse by the second |
| 23:13.21 | optikal | "i love looking at that kid's face that's getting pushed out of the way" .. yeh |
| 23:13.23 | macnewbold | though in our case, it was harder... |
| 23:13.42 | macnewbold | the cable was _supposed_ to go between the two switches, but one of them got put in the wrong VLAN or something |
| 23:13.53 | mindjuju_ | it's just that anguish on his face |
| 23:14.09 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 23:14.12 | macnewbold | the really funny thing was we looked at where they were coming from, |
| 23:14.13 | mindjuju_ | poor tike, I wasn't that good at soccer so can entirely understand |
| 23:14.15 | macnewbold | and found the machine, |
| 23:14.17 | bigdog_ut | i have done that on purpose |
| 23:14.19 | macnewbold | and unplugged it from the net |
| 23:14.26 | macnewbold | and it _still_ was spewing packets way fast |
| 23:14.37 | macnewbold | that one really had us scratching our heads for a minute... |
| 23:14.56 | bigdog_ut | yeah...the only issues that we had is that we dont have access to the routers |
| 23:15.04 | macnewbold | "but pc75 is _unplugged_ and _turned_off_! how could it be sending 100K packets per second!" |
| 23:15.10 | optikal | soccer.. man i never understood that sport |
| 23:15.10 | macnewbold | then we got it finally |
| 23:15.19 | macnewbold | we were really worried for a minute though :) |
| 23:15.28 | bigdog_ut | optikal, here is a kid in brazil that is like 9 that rocks |
| 23:15.47 | optikal | really? what instrument? |
| 23:15.54 | mindjuju_ | yeah, you run back and forth for a full hour and if you lose, coach thinks it's because your not running enough and makes you run some more |
| 23:15.58 | mindjuju_ | you've got to love it |
| 23:15.59 | bigdog_ut | soccer |
| 23:16.25 | optikal | bigdog_ut: hmm.. must be some new brazilian rock instrument.. i was thinking liek drums, bass, guitar.. |
| 23:17.09 | bigdog_ut | http://modifiedliving.com/soccerphenom.htm |
| 23:19.27 | *** join/#uphpu drewbono (~andrew@c-24-2-90-131.client.comcast.net) |
| 23:20.15 | dataw0lf | uh oh I'm in trouble. |
| 23:20.30 | dataw0lf | optikal: you talk to your wife about Friday? |
| 23:20.39 | optikal | aah fek! |
| 23:20.46 | optikal | Let me 2nite |
| 23:20.50 | dataw0lf | okie |
| 23:20.57 | optikal | if im online, remind me |
| 23:21.00 | optikal | im a forgetful sob |
| 23:22.08 | dataw0lf | I'll probably be at Roxie's tonight, so just REMEMBER fool. kthnx. |
| 23:22.58 | dataw0lf | well.. mebbe i wont be at Roxie's.. I'm getting yelled at right now. |
| 23:23.26 | optikal | uhoh |
| 23:23.37 | optikal | ill be @ home chilln with pplz |
| 23:23.41 | optikal | but should be atleast on irc |
| 23:24.35 | dataw0lf | well, I might gives you a call. |
| 23:24.55 | optikal | that works too |
| 23:29.08 | dataw0lf | o_O it's 2xTuesday. |
| 23:29.33 | optikal | 2xTuesday? |
| 23:29.38 | optikal | that sounds.. good? |
| 23:29.41 | mindjuju_ | dominos? |
| 23:30.30 | dataw0lf | yeah. |
| 23:30.33 | dataw0lf | just saw the commercial. |
| 23:30.41 | dataw0lf | time to chow down tonite, foos |
| 23:30.44 | optikal | hehe |
| 23:30.48 | optikal | Dominos is great |
| 23:31.06 | mindjuju_ | yup, the wife and i were thinking of buying some pizza and watching napeolen dynamite tonight |
| 23:31.11 | mindjuju_ | haven't seen it yet, heard it was good |
| 23:31.21 | optikal | haha |
| 23:31.26 | optikal | thats a great show... |
| 23:31.37 | dataw0lf | man, it's pretty funny. |
| 23:35.17 | mindjuju_ | so, if it drop this into my app |
| 23:35.22 | mindjuju_ | session_start(); |
| 23:35.22 | mindjuju_ | session_register("userid"); |
| 23:35.30 | mindjuju_ | i should be able to pull $userid anywhere right |
| 23:35.40 | mindjuju_ | provided i've told the session what userid was? |
| 23:36.01 | synic | mindjuju_: you should be using $_SESSION instead |
| 23:36.45 | mindjuju_ | so $_SESSION["userid"] ? |
| 23:37.20 | synic | yeah, but don't use session_register |
| 23:37.36 | mindjuju_ | is there a better way? |
| 23:37.38 | synic | just $_SESSION['userid'] = 2343; |
| 23:37.45 | synic | and then you'll be able to access it that way |
| 23:37.47 | mindjuju_ | oh, i see |
| 23:47.36 | scott_ | profiling sucks in php |
| 23:57.21 | synic | bigdog_ut: does this make sense to you? http://jbother.org/index.rb?command=plugindocs |