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| 00:03.36 | macnewbold | at least I'm not the only one getting disconnected... |
| 00:10.44 | tierra|w_ | how did I watch myself quit, then join, then quit again? wtf? |
| 00:11.17 | optikal_ | haha |
| 00:15.44 | dataw0lf | out of IRC experience. |
| 00:15.50 | dataw0lf | I had it one time when I dropped LSD. |
| 00:19.41 | optikal_ | hehe |
| 00:25.34 | macnewbold | one of the nodes went down, it looks like, and dropped a bunch of us |
| 00:26.06 | dataw0lf | 'netsplit' |
| 00:26.27 | dataw0lf | (proper IRC lamer terminology) |
| 00:26.36 | macnewbold | :) yeah |
| 00:26.42 | macnewbold | so have all of you seen this? |
| 00:26.44 | macnewbold | http://www.anthonychavez.org/images/haxorpc.jpg |
| 00:26.49 | macnewbold | very funny stuff |
| 00:27.23 | dataw0lf | hehe, yeah I've seen that. |
| 00:31.21 | optikal_ | laters |
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| 00:44.41 | synic | woot... she's gonna set up jabberd on jbother.org |
| 00:45.29 | macnewbold | who is? |
| 00:45.49 | synic | the wonderfully nice lady that is hosting jbother.org |
| 00:47.27 | synic | jabberd, mod_ruby, she installs any module I want, postgresql, php5, everything is kept very up to date |
| 00:47.34 | synic | all for less than $6 a month. |
| 00:59.01 | dataw0lf | mod_ruby. |
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| 03:02.59 | bigdog_ut | i set it up on my server |
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| 15:38.03 | optikal | mornin |
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| 15:57.31 | macnewbold | ~dance |
| 15:57.32 | jbot | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 15:57.50 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 15:58.10 | macnewbold | hey, cool! one I've actually used :) |
| 15:58.38 | mindjuju | that's curious... what exactly is jbot anyways? |
| 15:59.54 | macnewbold | ~jbot |
| 15:59.55 | jbot | from memory, jbot is the shipboard computer, but you may call me eddie if it helps you relax |
| 16:00.12 | macnewbold | ~jbot is also ibot's stupid cousin |
| 16:00.16 | macnewbold | ~jbot |
| 16:00.17 | jbot | somebody said jbot was the shipboard computer, but you may call me eddie if it helps you relax |
| 16:00.22 | macnewbold | ~ibot |
| 16:00.23 | jbot | from memory, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. a bigot, or the man, or a girl |
| 16:00.58 | macnewbold | ~wade |
| 16:00.59 | jbot | rumour has it, wade is Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 16:01.07 | macnewbold | ~mindjuju |
| 16:01.14 | macnewbold | ~karma mindjuju |
| 16:01.14 | jbot | mindjuju has neutral karma |
| 16:01.19 | macnewbold | ~mindjuju++ |
| 16:01.52 | mindjuju | i should probably go read an IRC faq, truth told, this is my first irc |
| 16:11.13 | macnewbold | nothing too magical about it... the bot is just a fun toy, and I don't know if there's a faq or man page about this particular bot anyway |
| 16:11.54 | mindjuju | actually, i mean irc in general, like the karma thing i noticed you gave karma to dataw0lf, though not sure how karma affects irc |
| 16:12.15 | mindjuju | i think i saw once a whole list of commands and stuff too |
| 16:12.23 | mindjuju | slash based commands |
| 16:12.48 | mindjuju | just never really had time to use irc before, though this one has been quite fun to be a part of |
| 16:19.57 | macnewbold | the karma thing is just a cool thing the bot does... |
| 16:20.01 | macnewbold | ~karma mindjuju |
| 16:20.01 | jbot | mindjuju has karma of 1 |
| 16:22.16 | synic | ~nickometer synic |
| 16:22.16 | jbot | 'synic' is 0.000% lame, synic |
| 16:22.20 | synic | wheee |
| 16:22.43 | synic | ~nickometer jbot |
| 16:22.43 | jbot | 'jbot' is 0.000% lame, synic |
| 16:22.55 | synic | ~nickometer dataw0lf |
| 16:22.55 | jbot | 'dataw0lf' is 31.000% lame, synic |
| 16:23.00 | synic | dataw0lf: lame-o |
| 16:23.32 | mindjuju | ~nickometer mindjuju |
| 16:23.32 | jbot | 'mindjuju' is 0.000% lame, mindjuju |
| 16:23.42 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 16:24.01 | synic | wonder if it does roulette |
| 16:24.06 | synic | ~roulette |
| 16:24.07 | jbot | |roulette |
| 16:24.20 | synic | |roulette |
| 16:24.23 | synic | bah. |
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| 16:31.02 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o bigdog_ut] by ChanServ |
| 16:31.18 | bigdog_ut | clear |
| 16:31.27 | optikal | heh |
| 16:31.27 | bigdog_ut | mornin all |
| 16:31.31 | optikal | mornin |
| 16:31.37 | mindjuju | mornin |
| 16:31.43 | bigdog_ut | forgot the slash |
| 16:31.57 | mindjuju | ~nickometer optikal |
| 16:31.57 | jbot | 'optikal' is 0.000% lame, mindjuju |
| 16:32.08 | optikal | thats right.. and u remember dat. |
| 16:32.27 | mindjuju | ~nickometer bigdog_ut |
| 16:32.27 | jbot | 'bigdog_ut' is 14.000% lame, mindjuju |
| 16:32.43 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:33.18 | bigdog_ut | man i rock |
| 16:33.18 | mindjuju | i wonder what you have to do to be found lame? |
| 16:33.29 | bigdog_ut | i guess i do it really well |
| 16:33.36 | bigdog_ut | ~nickometer wps |
| 16:33.36 | jbot | 'wps' is 0.000% lame, bigdog_ut |
| 16:33.43 | bigdog_ut | ~nickometer macnewbold |
| 16:33.43 | jbot | 'macnewbold' is 0.000% lame, bigdog_ut |
| 16:33.49 | bigdog_ut | ~nickometer synic |
| 16:33.49 | jbot | 'synic' is 0.000% lame, bigdog_ut |
| 16:33.57 | bigdog_ut | well hell i am the lamest here |
| 16:34.00 | bigdog_ut | rlol |
| 16:34.00 | macnewbold | ~nickometer bigdog_ut |
| 16:34.01 | jbot | 'bigdog_ut' is 14.000% lame, macnewbold |
| 16:34.11 | synic | nope, dataw0lf is the lamest. |
| 16:34.17 | synic | ~nickometer dataw0lf |
| 16:34.17 | jbot | 'dataw0lf' is 31.000% lame, synic |
| 16:34.18 | macnewbold | ~nickometer mindjuju |
| 16:34.18 | jbot | 'mindjuju' is 0.000% lame, macnewbold |
| 16:34.22 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 16:34.30 | bigdog_ut | ~lame bigdog_ut |
| 16:34.32 | jbot | bigdog_ut is completely not lame. |
| 16:34.32 | synic | but we all already knew that. |
| 16:34.32 | macnewbold | ~nickometer ChanServ |
| 16:34.32 | jbot | 'ChanServ' is 0.000% lame, macnewbold |
| 16:34.34 | mindjuju | hey, it jumped, it did say bigdog was 13% a little while ago, so what ever you did, it's making you lamer |
| 16:34.37 | macnewbold | ~nickometer jbot |
| 16:34.37 | jbot | 'jbot' is 0.000% lame, macnewbold |
| 16:34.57 | macnewbold | ~nickometer ibot |
| 16:34.57 | jbot | 'ibot' is 0.000% lame, macnewbold |
| 16:35.03 | macnewbold | ~nickometer |
| 16:35.18 | macnewbold | ~nickometer Jayce^ |
| 16:35.19 | jbot | 'Jayce^' is 14.000% lame, macnewbold |
| 16:35.21 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:36.23 | bigdog_ut | ~nickometer bigdog_ut |
| 16:36.23 | jbot | 'bigdog_ut' is 14.000% lame, bigdog_ut |
| 16:37.14 | wps | ha ha! |
| 16:37.18 | wps | I am 0% lame |
| 16:37.39 | bigdog_ut | wps, that means you are a super lamer |
| 16:37.52 | wps | what? |
| 16:38.35 | bigdog_ut | yeah that means super lamer when you are 0% |
| 16:38.50 | wps | how's that? |
| 16:39.15 | mindjuju | i just found jbot commands |
| 16:39.16 | mindjuju | https://jbot.dev.java.net/ |
| 16:39.23 | mindjuju | nickometer is how lame your nick is |
| 16:39.25 | wps | what kind of math is that? |
| 16:39.32 | bigdog_ut | jbot math |
| 16:39.55 | optikal | ooh. |
| 16:40.00 | wps | I am 0% sexy then |
| 16:40.07 | mindjuju | jbot time |
| 16:40.09 | jbot | from memory, time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting |
| 16:40.18 | bigdog_ut | ~insult wps |
| 16:40.38 | wps | ouch |
| 16:40.39 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 16:40.52 | bigdog_ut | ~confession bigdog_ut |
| 16:40.59 | wps | ~mindjuju-- |
| 16:41.09 | bigdog_ut | ~confession |
| 16:41.35 | mindjuju | jbot confession |
| 16:42.31 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 16:42.40 | mindjuju | jbot command |
| 16:42.45 | wps | ~google Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 16:42.49 | wps | jbot, what's wrong with you? |
| 16:43.09 | wps | sheesh, are you tired? why so slow? |
| 16:43.20 | mindjuju | jbot statistics |
| 16:43.21 | jbot | [statistics] a way of measuring something with numbers. |
| 16:44.44 | mindjuju | ~ebonify Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 16:45.33 | mindjuju | ~slang dope |
| 16:46.05 | mindjuju | hey, it has regex functionality! |
| 16:46.22 | wps | "it"? |
| 16:46.29 | mindjuju | jbot |
| 16:46.31 | wps | careful, jbot has feelings |
| 16:46.35 | wps | you better treat him right or he will be mean to you |
| 16:46.59 | mindjuju | that's true, wouldn't want jbot to go Hal5000 on us |
| 16:47.50 | mindjuju | ~factoid |
| 16:47.51 | jbot | this is a factoid. |
| 16:48.18 | wps | ~factoid google |
| 16:49.04 | mindjuju | jbot, ebonify mr. sexy pants |
| 16:49.31 | wps | ~google define: ebonify |
| 16:49.46 | mindjuju | ebonify I'm going to the store to buy some cigarettes |
| 16:50.11 | mindjuju | ebonify optikal |
| 16:50.27 | wps | ~ebonify optikal |
| 16:50.45 | mindjuju | darn, this plug in thing is hilarious! i wish the bot had these functions |
| 16:50.48 | mindjuju | https://jbot.dev.java.net/jbot-user-guide.html |
| 16:50.54 | mindjuju | 2.5.3 ebonify |
| 16:51.13 | wps | what does ebonify mean? |
| 16:51.27 | mindjuju | 2.5.3Ebonify |
| 16:51.27 | mindjuju | The Ebonify translates English into Ebonics. Single line translations can be performed as well as inflicting ebonification on someone. |
| 16:51.27 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.27 | mindjuju | <joeblowgt> ebonify I'm going to the store to buy some cigarettes |
| 16:51.27 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.29 | mindjuju | <jbotv2> I'm going ta da swapmeet ta gank some cigarettes ya'll is mad stupid. |
| 16:51.31 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.33 | mindjuju | To ebonify someone type “ebonify <nick>” and watch the hilarity ensue! Ebonification will last for four lines typed by the ebonification victim. Be careful, sometimes ebonification will backlash! |
| 16:53.15 | mindjuju | ~insult jbot |
| 16:59.09 | mindjuju | status |
| 16:59.26 | mindjuju | ~status |
| 16:59.27 | jbot | Since Sun Jan 23 23:20:57 2005, there have been 35 modifications, 381 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 351 commands. I have been awake for 3d 17h 38m 29s this session, and currently reference 107981 factoids. I'm using about 17332 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5078.19/512.12 child 583.41/42.19 |
| 17:00.42 | mindjuju | ~factoid foo? |
| 17:01.14 | mindjuju | oh well, better get back to work |
| 17:01.21 | optikal | yah u better |
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| 17:35.40 | macnewbold | morning, drewbono |
| 17:39.25 | drewbono | 'sup macnewbold |
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| 17:57.37 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: it's not even 11am yet... you couldn't have had a 3hr meeting already, no? |
| 17:57.54 | macnewbold | or was it content, rather than just length, that made it bad? :) |
| 17:58.41 | bigdog_ut | yes i start my meetings at 8:30am |
| 17:58.56 | bigdog_ut | both content and length |
| 17:59.57 | bigdog_ut | now i have some free time...however, i have other meetings today...that is the part of my job that i hate |
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| 18:04.56 | macnewbold | why so many meetings? |
| 18:05.54 | macnewbold | take a look at http://www.paulgraham.com/gh.html |
| 18:06.06 | macnewbold | and search for the paragraphs that mention meetings |
| 18:06.18 | macnewbold | this one is good too: |
| 18:06.20 | macnewbold | http://www.plethora.net/~seebs/faqs/hacker.html |
| 18:07.26 | bigdog_ut | yeah that is how it is |
| 18:07.43 | bigdog_ut | plus these are meetings about increasing productivity if you can believe that |
| 18:08.53 | macnewbold | oh, please... just let me write code, and be productive! :) |
| 18:09.26 | tierra|w | some people get a little carried away when it comes to "doing business" ... they forget the reasoning behind many things, they just do it because in their mind, that's what offices do |
| 18:10.11 | bigdog_ut | yes that is so true...however, i dont have as many meetings as i did at ihc |
| 18:10.28 | bigdog_ut | that is a company founded and running on meetings |
| 18:11.06 | bigdog_ut | if they reduced their meetings in half they would double their bottom line and productivity |
| 18:11.10 | tierra|w | the examples they are getting are from companies who's company image is being advertised, or written about too, so of course that company is going to put the professional attitude before actual productivity |
| 18:12.37 | bigdog_ut | we see that all the time in big business |
| 18:12.42 | tierra|w | thats a good article macnewbold, thanks |
| 18:12.52 | bigdog_ut | think of what a lamer like me could have gotten done in that time |
| 18:13.22 | tierra|w | not enough business men have the balls to run their business their own way |
| 18:13.56 | tierra|w | most of the time, the ones that do come out on top too I think |
| 18:14.28 | macnewbold | yeah... if you do the average thing, you're likely to come out at or below average |
| 18:14.39 | macnewbold | if you do something different, you really open up your potential |
| 18:14.58 | tierra|w | well, these aren't the best examples, but they are definately run significantly different from your run of the mill companies... stores like TAC and Love Sac (sp?) |
| 18:23.32 | optikal | yeh |
| 18:23.56 | optikal | TAC and PCLaptops are extremely similiar |
| 18:24.01 | optikal | in their business ethics |
| 18:24.13 | optikal | and customer support and quality of products |
| 18:31.30 | bigdog_ut | there like lovers |
| 18:32.46 | tierra|w | optikal would know better than most people |
| 18:32.54 | optikal | yeh |
| 18:32.57 | optikal | I worked there for 4.5yrs |
| 18:33.03 | optikal | Was their #1 tech in the company for 3yrs of that |
| 18:34.44 | macnewbold | for TAC? or PCLaptops? |
| 18:35.11 | macnewbold | (BTW, I wouldn't "brag" about being the #1 tech in TAC, at least not in geek company ;) ) |
| 18:35.43 | optikal | TAC |
| 18:35.53 | macnewbold | I'm sorry |
| 18:35.55 | optikal | and Myself, I would brag being #1 @ tac |
| 18:36.10 | optikal | They had ppl that didnt know shit |
| 18:36.12 | optikal | err excuse me |
| 18:36.36 | optikal | They also had ppl that really knew their stuff.. a lot |
| 18:36.47 | macnewbold | (many geeks I know don't think much at all of TAC, so being #1 there doesn't say much (that's good)) |
| 18:37.06 | optikal | Most dont know the ppl inside TAC, however. |
| 18:37.17 | optikal | I fixed average of 14-20 systems per day. |
| 18:37.18 | macnewbold | I've never really talked to a person at or from TAC that knew their stuff... or even half their stuff. |
| 18:37.45 | optikal | There is probably 10ppl at TAC that really know their stuff |
| 18:37.51 | macnewbold | out of how many? |
| 18:37.55 | optikal | 65 |
| 18:37.56 | optikal | or so |
| 18:38.11 | macnewbold | that's actually a higher % than I would have guessed :) |
| 18:38.16 | optikal | hehe |
| 18:38.33 | optikal | The R&D guy is pretty insane too, Craig Putnam.. he really knows his stuff |
| 18:39.00 | macnewbold | their owner is _really_ insane... certifiably... I think he's gone missing because they committed him in the state hospital |
| 18:39.20 | optikal | I know/knew Dell on a very personal level |
| 18:39.24 | macnewbold | ? |
| 18:39.32 | optikal | I have driven his Z06 corvette he had, amongst going to lunch many of times |
| 18:39.39 | optikal | I hate him, dont get me wrong |
| 18:39.45 | macnewbold | heh |
| 18:39.51 | macnewbold | lol |
| 18:39.51 | optikal | But "in the day" when he wasnt "representing TAC" he is a cool guy |
| 18:40.15 | optikal | Hes so annoying in person, but if you get him alone.. he is a smart as guy, who im very jealous of.. for the fact that he has EVERY toy he wants lol |
| 18:40.17 | macnewbold | very possible... if he's like that all the time, I don't see how he could have ever had children |
| 18:40.20 | optikal | and ive gotten to play with most of them |
| 18:42.59 | xilch | most of his kids? |
| 18:43.10 | xilch | that doesn't sound right |
| 18:43.27 | tierra|w | toys |
| 18:43.32 | tierra|w | I'm sure he meant |
| 18:44.25 | xilch | nah - I know for a fact that optikal likes to play with kids. |
| 18:44.40 | xilch | ;) |
| 18:44.51 | tierra|w | =) |
| 18:44.55 | optikal | yeh |
| 18:44.58 | optikal | whatevr.. sucka |
| 18:45.45 | macnewbold | well, you said you "know Dell on a very personal level" too... the thought had already crossed my mind that you might not have meant something innocent... |
| 18:45.46 | xilch | for what it's worth, I've always thought dell was a freaking marketing genius |
| 18:45.55 | macnewbold | yes, and no. |
| 18:46.11 | macnewbold | marketing by making people hate you (passionately) isn't the greatest idea |
| 18:46.16 | macnewbold | cause it cuts both ways |
| 18:46.29 | macnewbold | making them remember you, in a good way, is great |
| 18:46.30 | xilch | yeah, but _everybody_ knows who he is |
| 18:46.41 | macnewbold | yeah, cause they hate him |
| 18:46.47 | macnewbold | not the best position to be in |
| 18:47.06 | macnewbold | and the PC Laptops guy is just a copycat, and seems very homosexual |
| 18:47.08 | xilch | and even though he was promoting tac at the time, anything else he touches now has instant recognizability(sp?) |
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| 19:36.01 | optikal | wow |
| 19:36.04 | optikal | jEdit is smart |
| 19:36.46 | optikal | I just wrote up some stuff to echo from php, and naturally I didnt escape the double quotes.. so I did a mass replace of " with \".. it only changed them inside of normal text (which i need to do, but thats still weird) |
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| 19:58.01 | tierra|w | you mean like, it didn't change quotes where you closed up to append a variable or something? |
| 20:04.14 | optikal | it did |
| 20:04.16 | optikal | like.. |
| 20:04.45 | optikal | <a href="foo.php">yo "foo"</a> |
| 20:04.53 | optikal | it only did the ones surrounding foo.php |
| 20:12.33 | tierra|w | oh, I see |
| 20:13.54 | tierra|w | I thought something like this: <a href="foo.php?id=" . $id . "&bar=foo">link</a> |
| 20:14.04 | optikal | nah |
| 20:14.21 | tierra|w | and it did this: <a href=\"foo.php?id=" . $id . "&bar=foo\">link</a> |
| 20:14.28 | tierra|w | which would of been cool as well |
| 20:14.59 | optikal | yah |
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| 20:34.45 | optikal | meh. for some reason i cannot access the php site, lame dsl.. if I wanna count the number of characters in a string, whats the function to do it? im having a very tired day.. like... "abc-def-g" it would return 9 or 8 if based from 0 |
| 20:34.54 | optikal | and i cannot remember the name of that for the life of me |
| 20:35.01 | optikal | and i havent used it recently to reference back heh |
| 20:35.35 | fungus | strlen() |
| 20:38.12 | optikal | oooooh yes |
| 20:38.12 | optikal | thanks |
| 20:38.14 | optikal | thats it |
| 20:46.31 | tierra|w | hmm... I should bring this up with PHP devs... |
| 20:46.34 | tierra|w | tierra@ibaku tierra $ php -v |
| 20:46.34 | tierra|w | PHP 5.0.3 (cli) (built: Dec 21 2004 20:37:03) |
| 20:46.34 | tierra|w | Copyright (c) 1997-2004 The PHP Group |
| 20:46.34 | tierra|w | Zend Engine v2.0.3, Copyright (c) 1998-2004 Zend Technologies |
| 20:46.34 | tierra|w | tierra@ibaku tierra $ php count.php |
| 20:46.35 | tierra|w | count('string') returns: 1 |
| 20:48.00 | tierra|w | with the move to the $mystring{5} instead of $mystring[5] in PHP5 I read was mostly because of wanting to move to more of a syntax where PHP strings are really arrays |
| 20:51.40 | optikal | interesting |
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| 21:14.32 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, is sleeping again |
| 21:15.33 | macnewbold | jbot: dataw0lf is also sleeping again |
| 21:15.35 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
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| 21:19.03 | scott_ | greetings guys, I'm having a bit of trouble with passwords/sessions |
| 21:19.10 | scott_ | I found http://pastebin.com/234323 at php.net but it's not working for me. the first time I go to the page it pulls up the login screen, I login, and it shows me the page it should, but when i fill out a form that's on that page and submit it shows me the login screen again, making me think that maybe the session variables aren't working right |
| 21:27.18 | wps | which? |
| 21:27.42 | optikal | probably the default (most common) size. |
| 21:27.44 | scott_ | for the post entries |
| 21:28.02 | optikal | yeh, and left column links |
| 21:28.04 | scott_ | I try to zoom, ctrl-mouse wheel and it doesn't change |
| 21:28.09 | wps | headlines? sidebar links? article copy? |
| 21:28.16 | optikal | Ctrl + and it will |
| 21:28.39 | wps | which browser? what is your display resolution? |
| 21:28.48 | optikal | wps: like on the top left, "Mailing List" "Members" "Syndication" etc.. to me, in my res, that is pretty dang small.. and a lot of the page uses that size. |
| 21:28.51 | scott_ | nevermind, it zooms in firefox but not in IE |
| 21:29.04 | scott_ | 1280x1024 I think |
| 21:29.11 | wps | solution: do not use IE |
| 21:29.32 | scott_ | I loaded IE up to see what it looked like in it |
| 21:29.56 | wps | thanks for the input |
| 21:29.57 | bigdog_ut | but i love ie |
| 21:30.03 | wps | no you don't |
| 21:30.15 | scott_ | so no ideas on passwords/sessions? |
| 21:30.28 | tierra|w | which template are you using? the new one has small fonts I think as well, but the default is still good |
| 21:30.47 | scott_ | I am not logged in or anything |
| 21:32.03 | tierra|w | wow... you don't want to see the "Swank" themed site then.... |
| 21:32.30 | tierra|w | it's a cool theme, but the fonts are even smaller than the default |
| 21:32.41 | wps | "swank" is the default |
| 21:32.49 | optikal | wps: Im in FireFox =) I dont touch IE |
| 21:32.55 | tierra|w | it is? |
| 21:32.57 | tierra|w | oh |
| 21:34.09 | wps | scott_: what OS? |
| 21:34.17 | scott_ | windows |
| 21:34.21 | scott_ | xp |
| 21:34.43 | wps | that's part of the problem too... Microsoft Windows renders text very poorly in browsers |
| 21:34.48 | wps | regardless of the browser |
| 21:35.08 | optikal | yah |
| 21:35.09 | scott_ | let's be serious, the problem is the font sucks. |
| 21:35.09 | optikal | it sux |
| 21:35.18 | optikal | hah |
| 21:35.40 | optikal | It sucks working with stuff like Windows Font Handling and IE as the two biggest mainstream things, yet, the worst. |
| 21:36.07 | synic | hrmm. |
| 21:36.13 | synic | I don't believe I've seen the site in windows |
| 21:36.16 | synic | looks fine here. |
| 21:39.16 | optikal | http://www.optikal.org/uphpuss.jpg |
| 21:39.54 | wps | wow, that looks awful |
| 21:39.59 | wps | is that one Microsoft Windows? |
| 21:40.07 | optikal | Windows XP, in FireFox 1.0 |
| 21:40.49 | optikal | looks the same in IE |
| 21:41.02 | wps | right, because the OS is rendering the fonts |
| 21:41.04 | wps | look at the difference: |
| 21:41.13 | wps | http://temp.wade.wfrmls.com/uphpu.jpg |
| 21:42.08 | optikal | no wonder why |
| 21:42.14 | optikal | Font Sizes are specified by pixel size |
| 21:42.20 | optikal | em is the best |
| 21:42.38 | tierra|w | wps, you seem to be the minority here... I guess if I didn't have windows at work, that would be different though |
| 21:42.51 | optikal | hehe |
| 21:43.02 | wps | true, but em is unpredictable |
| 21:43.38 | optikal | yeah, pt is my 2nd fav. |
| 21:43.46 | wps | pt is bad for web |
| 21:43.46 | optikal | depends on what im doing, really |
| 21:43.59 | wps | pt is for print |
| 21:43.59 | optikal | Depends on how your using it, and what your using it on |
| 21:44.11 | optikal | points.. |
| 21:46.55 | tierra|w | I've never seen anything that attributes the point measurement system with printing specifically... it's all typography |
| 21:47.29 | tierra|w | not that I've taken any classes on typography... |
| 21:47.51 | tierra|w | I guess with it being a pretty old unit of measurement, it would work best with print versus screen |
| 21:52.21 | wps | it works (obviously), but the rule of thumb for web is: use relative before absolute |
| 21:52.31 | wps | in, cm, mm, pt, and pc are all absolute, so I would use them last |
| 21:52.42 | wps | em, ex, and percentage are the best |
| 21:52.56 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 21:52.59 | wps | px is kind of in the middle as it is relative to the viewing device, so I would put it in the middle and before pt |
| 21:53.37 | wps | I have tried em several times, but have never been able to produce satisfactory results cross browser |
| 21:53.46 | wps | so, for now I am using px in my work |
| 21:54.08 | optikal | wps: interesting, my experiences have generally been the opposite |
| 21:54.09 | wps | hopefully, as browsers are continued to be improved, sufficient support for em will exist and I can move to that |
| 21:54.31 | optikal | I use pt/em and get pretty much almost perfect cross-browser compatability (which is very important as my job) |
| 21:54.46 | wps | as should be anyone's job :) |
| 21:55.05 | optikal | yeps |
| 21:55.47 | tierra|w | percentage still somewhat relies on an absolute number, em and ex don't offer much flexability and fonts in general aren't made for them |
| 21:56.09 | optikal | but i get the results i want/need. =) |
| 21:56.24 | optikal | so by god, until something else actually WORKS better.. ill continue using em |
| 21:56.31 | optikal | but I mostly use PT |
| 21:57.37 | tierra|w | don't get me wrong... I'm not scientific when it comes to getting the exact font (obviously since I use points), but that tends to show the best results with keeping the same font sizes across platforms as well as flexability in sizes |
| 21:58.37 | tierra|w | being that cross platform seems to be a problem for uphpu.org, that just kinda proves my point |
| 21:59.02 | wps | with relative measurement, you will get best results if you set a fixed measurement for the body and then work from there... it needs something to be relative _to_ |
| 22:00.21 | tierra|w | I know that's important, especially with accessability |
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| 22:01.32 | macnewbold | wps: nice post on the web site about the mysql worm... very interesting |
| 22:02.07 | wps | I was surprised that that was the first I/we had heard about it |
| 22:02.46 | macnewbold | well, it only affects windows servers, so most of us in here probably aren't too worried about it :) |
| 22:02.54 | wps | nope :) |
| 22:03.39 | wps | I hope that you don't mind that I deleted your comment to your "UPHPU gaming popularity" article |
| 22:03.56 | wps | I fixed the typos that you referenced, so I thought that it wasn't necessary anymore |
| 22:07.40 | macnewbold | yeah, I saw that... thanks for fixing it |
| 22:08.02 | macnewbold | maybe not comments, but articles at least |
| 22:08.09 | macnewbold | lol |
| 22:18.36 | wps | refresh |
| 22:18.38 | wps | a little better? |
| 22:24.14 | scott_ | $sql = "select * from entries where title='$title'"; |
| 22:24.14 | scott_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.23 | scott_ | what is the right way to check how many results there are? |
| 22:25.31 | wps | is that better, scott_ ? |
| 22:29.47 | scott_ | better, but not as nice as it could be |
| 22:31.17 | wps | out of curiosity, how old are you? |
| 22:32.03 | scott_ | hehe, out of curiosity, why do you ask? |
| 22:32.07 | wps | (completely serious question... not being rude) |
| 22:32.33 | wps | because as people get old their eyesite gets worse and I was just curious if you were 45+ |
| 22:32.48 | scott_ | 21 |
| 22:33.05 | wps | because I am viewing this on 1600 resolution and can't image how large it is on 1024 |
| 22:35.27 | scott_ | how does http://jaderholm.com look for you? are the fonts huge? |
| 22:35.33 | wps | I agree that links in the sidebars are small, but that is intentional. I would find the body copy hard to read however if it was much larger. |
| 22:35.54 | wps | nope, looks great |
| 22:36.16 | wps | the body copy is even smaller on that site then it is on uphpu.org |
| 22:39.21 | wps | you're welcome to write a skin |
| 22:39.33 | wps | I'll toss it on the server for you so that you can select it in your account |
| 23:39.34 | dataw0lf | you really can't beat a gin and tonic while relaxing. |
