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| 00:03.18 | RG|d-labz | Lo. |
| 00:03.29 | wps | welcome |
| 00:04.20 | RG|d-labz | Does anyone know where i can downlaod a tutorial script? |
| 00:04.51 | wps | what do you mean? |
| 00:05.07 | wps | an example? or a script that teaches you something? |
| 00:07.12 | RG|d-labz | www.tutorials.bz |
| 00:07.27 | RG|d-labz | Nope, just a script tat allows peopel to submit tutorials |
| 00:08.49 | optikal | Im out |
| 00:09.24 | wps | sounds like that would be fairly custom, depending on what you have on the backend |
| 00:09.34 | RG|d-labz | Nothing. |
| 00:10.23 | wps | sounds like you are going to need more than a script then |
| 00:10.45 | RG|d-labz | www.designerslabz.com |
| 00:10.58 | RG|d-labz | i just wanna add temp tutorial db |
| 00:11.53 | RG|d-labz | http://www.tutorials.bz/submit.php - people just add there link via this and i wanna be able to add/edit/delete/ |
| 00:12.50 | wps | so you're trying to make a site similar to tutorials.bz ? |
| 00:12.59 | RG|d-labz | Yup. |
| 00:13.38 | wps | looks like all of the tutorials are hosted elsewhere |
| 00:13.42 | wps | that makes it simple |
| 00:13.47 | RG|d-labz | yeah |
| 00:13.54 | RG|d-labz | thats what i need to do, |
| 00:13.59 | wps | so you only have to record the information that points to it in your db |
| 00:14.19 | RG|d-labz | i dunno :S |
| 00:14.30 | RG|d-labz | all it does it add a link to that tutorial |
| 00:14.49 | wps | well, to be honest with you, a script that takes those form elements and writes them to a database sounds pretty custom |
| 00:14.55 | wps | I doubt you will find a script for it |
| 00:15.01 | RG|d-labz | Oh. |
| 00:15.15 | RG|d-labz | Ok thanks for your help.. |
| 00:15.47 | wps | sure |
| 00:15.55 | wps | it would be quite simple to write though |
| 00:16.05 | wps | do you know how to write data to a db with PHP? |
| 00:16.23 | RG|d-labz | i dont know php, and i dont have any $$ to get it coded. |
| 00:17.01 | wps | it sounds like your only options would be to learn it yourself of trade some services |
| 00:17.09 | RG|d-labz | ya |
| 00:17.28 | RG|d-labz | i made a layout for www.mikaelweb.com |
| 00:17.32 | RG|d-labz | so i could ask him |
| 00:17.38 | RG|d-labz | but he is mostly busy |
| 00:18.34 | RG|d-labz | http://www.deviantart.com/view/13853972/ |
| 00:19.30 | RG|ZzZ | thanks anyway man! |
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| 03:21.29 | bigdog_ut | man it cracks me up about those job postings? |
| 03:21.35 | bigdog_ut | minus ? |
| 03:29.11 | jsmith | Which job postings? |
| 03:30.15 | jsmith | Lemme guess... a job posting for a PHP programmer, but they want you to program flash, java, and oracle as well. And answer the phone, and play receptionist. |
| 03:30.32 | jsmith | And run the phone system, and keep the network up and running. |
| 03:30.38 | jsmith | All for $7 an hour. |
| 03:36.06 | tierra|w | startups are the worst with that, which is sad since it means not enough people are putting enough research into the amount of work involved in an idea |
| 03:36.34 | tierra|w | unfortunately, I'm stuck in one of those situations |
| 03:43.33 | jsmith | Yuck... been there, done that, still have the scars (and the worthless stock) to prove it. |
| 03:43.41 | jsmith | But man did I get some good experience. |
| 03:55.09 | tierra|w | yeah, I can at least say I've learned a ton here |
| 03:58.46 | jsmith | Mind if I ask where you work? |
| 03:58.54 | jsmith | Just curious... |
| 04:06.40 | bigdog_ut | who/ |
| 04:13.35 | bigdog_ut | they want the best and just want to pay peanuts |
| 04:14.15 | bigdog_ut | it good to see that those jobs are there and all...but it is good to know that many good companies are also looking too |
| 04:24.13 | bigdog_ut | help |
| 04:33.10 | bigdog_ut | suprised dataw0lf has not said anything yet |
| 04:36.25 | jsmith | Yeah... me to, actually. |
| 04:37.29 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, but you are right...looking at that they want a list of all that you have worked on and what type of infrastructure |
| 04:37.53 | bigdog_ut | sometimes i just want to email them and say i have worked on stuff you will never be able to afford |
| 04:41.04 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: The reason I said that is that I once applied for a PHP programming position in Park City. They wanted me to be a PHP-programmer/receptionist. |
| 04:41.16 | jsmith | I thought it was a joke at first, but they were serious. |
| 04:42.09 | jsmith | Do I look like the typical barely-out-of-high-school-bottle-blonde-airhead-receptionist you'd want in a real-estate office? |
| 04:42.25 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 04:42.31 | bigdog_ut | that is crazy |
| 04:42.41 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 04:43.10 | bigdog_ut | my favorite are the ones like: we need php, java, j2ee, python, perl, c/c++ and if you know fortran and lisp that will work |
| 04:43.18 | jsmith | So instead I took a job with a real company that was 1) willing to pay people for what they knew, 2) was profitable, and 3) was willing to let me do things the right way. |
| 04:43.24 | bigdog_ut | oh and know all windows platforms and 5 dbs |
| 04:43.25 | jsmith | Yeah... those are the best. |
| 04:43.36 | jsmith | You forgot Ruby and Prolog! |
| 04:43.45 | bigdog_ut | yeah that is on the second line |
| 04:43.45 | jsmith | And COBOL! |
| 04:43.58 | bigdog_ut | and have a masters degree in physics |
| 04:44.15 | jsmith | Non-euclidian physics, most likely. |
| 04:44.43 | jsmith | Of course, I once worked with a guy who had is Ph.D. in EE, and he wrote the installer for our software. What a joke. |
| 04:44.58 | bigdog_ut | really |
| 04:44.59 | bigdog_ut | why |
| 04:45.09 | jsmith | Because it was a startup. |
| 04:45.16 | jsmith | And that's where he was needed. |
| 04:45.20 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 04:45.38 | jsmith | Poor guy... I'll be he's still there fighting InstallShield to this day. |
| 04:46.00 | bigdog_ut | i dont mind doing alot, but when you they ask for a type of person and they dont pay good that is just sick and wrong |
| 04:46.22 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 04:46.40 | bigdog_ut | i once interviewed with a company in slc that asked me to explain our architecture, the flaws and how i would fix them |
| 04:46.51 | bigdog_ut | then they had the balls to offer me a written test |
| 04:46.56 | jsmith | Wow! That's cool! I've been lucky in most of my jobs to get paid well for what I do. |
| 04:47.53 | jsmith | I think the clencher on my current job was that I know what gdb is and how to use it, even though I'll never use it as part of this job. |
| 04:48.06 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 04:48.07 | jsmith | Like a sys-admin ever really needs to use gdb. |
| 04:48.20 | jsmith | Oh well... |
| 04:48.28 | bigdog_ut | yeah...depends...i used it to debug apache and php for an issue |
| 04:48.40 | jsmith | It's funny the things that'll get you hired... |
| 04:48.42 | bigdog_ut | as a sys admin...so i guess once i did |
| 04:48.47 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 04:48.53 | jsmith | Yeah, I was using gdb to debug Asterisk in a big VoIP installation. |
| 04:49.01 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 04:49.05 | jsmith | But because I can do that, I must be a kick-butt sys-admin. |
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| 04:49.23 | jsmith | wps: Welcome back. |
| 04:49.25 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 04:49.35 | wps | much thank you |
| 04:49.54 | jsmith | $output_buffer = "Welcome Back\n"; |
| 04:49.55 | bigdog_ut | but i go the other way...if you can find a developer that has been a sys admin then you have found gold |
| 04:50.15 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Yup... you know what the most dangerous person in the world is, don't you? |
| 04:50.53 | bigdog_ut | yeah a developer that thinks hes a sys admin |
| 04:53.32 | wps | but /me is strong |
| 04:53.39 | wps | arrrg |
| 04:53.44 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 04:55.07 | wps | 1 mile on the tredmill, 3 sets on the bench, 2 sets on the triceps... and nice long shower |
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| 04:55.41 | bigdog_ut | i would say |
| 04:55.51 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 04:55.53 | wps | scared him off |
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| 04:56.12 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
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| 05:04.42 | jsmith | Dang! |
| 05:04.56 | jsmith | Just as I was about to type the punch-line, my computer crashes. |
| 05:05.07 | jsmith | Stupid piece of junk anyway. |
| 05:08.57 | bigdog_ut | when you run windows it will do that |
| 05:08.58 | tierra|w | I'm doing contracted work actually... it's a long, crazy story, I'll have to talk about it another time though, I'm off from work (note I'm just getting off work at 10:00 today) |
| 05:10.31 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: Anyway, the most dangerous person in the world is a computer programmer with a screwdriver in his hand. |
| 05:10.46 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 05:11.03 | bigdog_ut | its only 10pm |
| 05:12.02 | jsmith | I guess that makes me super-dangerous, as I'm the programmer-sysadmin with a soldering iron in one hand and a VoIP book in the other. |
| 05:12.02 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: It's been a long day |
| 05:12.40 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 05:12.43 | bigdog_ut | tell me about it |
| 05:13.18 | bigdog_ut | im sure you have work and side projects too |
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| 05:13.37 | bigdog_ut | jsmith, where u work at again? |
| 05:15.44 | bigdog_ut | works sucks..why cant we just do open source and live good |
| 05:52.39 | spiderbiter | someday bigdog_ut, someday. |
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| 07:53.44 | spiderbiter | I thought Heman was tuckered out? |
| 07:53.55 | spiderbiter | what's up, wps? |
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| 15:28.29 | macnewbold | morning everyone... |
| 15:28.41 | macnewbold | For not getting off work till 10pm or later, some of you sure are early risers :) |
| 15:31.46 | usynic | morning macnewbold |
| 15:31.53 | macnewbold | hey usynic |
| 15:31.56 | usynic | bleh.. I just tried to tab complete the word "morning" |
| 15:32.01 | usynic | it didn't work. |
| 15:34.08 | usynic | alright... off to the office. |
| 15:34.09 | usynic | later. |
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| 15:50.55 | wps | man I hate java apps |
| 15:52.49 | wps | why is it that programmers disregard all UI conventions and just do what they want? |
| 15:57.31 | bigdog_ut | java apps rock |
| 15:58.06 | wps | this Gantt project app doesn't even have a close option in the File menu |
| 15:58.30 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 15:58.39 | bigdog_ut | perhaps that was to hard to code |
| 15:59.25 | wps | honestly though... I am not just venting |
| 15:59.45 | wps | I have not been impressed with any java applications that I have seen/used |
| 16:00.07 | bigdog_ut | oh i know...java apps suck that is why i am doing mine in gnome and java backend |
| 16:00.51 | bigdog_ut | for what they have accomplished with them it is pretty amazing though |
| 16:00.55 | wps | I know that Java is supposed to be the new, rocking language of the future... with all of it's platform independency and junk... but if the UI sucks, the apps are buggy and slow... what worth are they? |
| 16:02.08 | wps | from what I have heard, the experience is a little better with java apps on linux then it is on Mac OS |
| 16:02.25 | bigdog_ut | depends...the ui is only a piece of the puzzle |
| 16:02.56 | wps | yeah, but even if you have the worlds best code underneath, if you can't interact with it, it's worthless |
| 16:03.11 | bigdog_ut | one thing to realize is that you have a virutal machine that is interfacing with the underlying kernal to handle the access to the hardware |
| 16:03.32 | bigdog_ut | view and interaction are two separate issues though |
| 16:03.43 | bigdog_ut | view = look 'n feel |
| 16:05.10 | synic | I noticed that Java apps were a lot slower on my mac. |
| 16:05.15 | synic | maybe my mac was just a lot slower :) |
| 16:05.32 | bigdog_ut | well when you run a layer on top it is going to be slower |
| 16:05.50 | wps | yeah... definitely slower |
| 16:05.57 | bigdog_ut | depends though |
| 16:06.00 | synic | but apps like azureus and jEdit run fabulously on my other machiens |
| 16:06.02 | synic | er... machines |
| 16:06.04 | wps | but I would even put up with the speed issues if they would just get the UI conventions correct |
| 16:06.05 | bigdog_ut | i have some java apps that run really good |
| 16:06.25 | synic | wps: UI conventions are different on a mac |
| 16:06.27 | bigdog_ut | which conventions? |
| 16:06.31 | wps | exactly! |
| 16:06.46 | synic | so yeah, unless the programmer is a mac programmer, or knows about the conventions, he'll probably ignore them |
| 16:07.12 | bigdog_ut | all ui conventions are different though..there is no standard |
| 16:07.20 | synic | there's more of a standard on the mac |
| 16:07.22 | bigdog_ut | the conventions between kde and gnome are differnt |
| 16:07.31 | wps | there is a definate standard for mac apps |
| 16:07.31 | synic | CTRL+W always means "close this window" |
| 16:07.45 | synic | ermm - command+w |
| 16:07.49 | bigdog_ut | yes but having a java app and nowing the conventions of all windows managers is very hard |
| 16:08.06 | bigdog_ut | same with windows and gnome |
| 16:08.15 | bigdog_ut | but which one do u target your app to? |
| 16:08.19 | wps | sure, but if you are going to claim to have a mac version of your product, then you should do your homework and get the UI right |
| 16:08.22 | bigdog_ut | windows, mac, kde, sun |
| 16:08.23 | synic | another thing that's a lot different on a mac is the "window based app" thing |
| 16:08.56 | bigdog_ut | wps, i agree, you should do that, however, that will never be the case with anything |
| 16:08.57 | synic | and the menus are all different... |
| 16:09.00 | wps | exactly, synic. I just closed the window of this app and it quite the application! |
| 16:09.04 | bigdog_ut | unless the guy is a mac man |
| 16:09.42 | wps | well, I think that that is dumb... that he doesn't care if he doesn't happen to be a mac-head |
| 16:10.13 | bigdog_ut | i agree..you need to follow the conventions...but you and i both know that is a great idea and dream |
| 16:10.33 | bigdog_ut | my app that i am doing is in java...but i am only going to write it for gnome |
| 16:10.41 | wps | if I was writing software and claimed to have a version for Microsoft Windows, I would make sure that it was stable and followed all of the conventions for that system... even though I detest it |
| 16:11.06 | bigdog_ut | true...but to do that you would have to rewrite your entire ui |
| 16:11.19 | synic | windows and linux are more closely related in the UI conventions field. OS X is way out there |
| 16:11.19 | bigdog_ut | where do you draw the line on code reuse |
| 16:11.34 | wps | true, synic |
| 16:11.35 | bigdog_ut | depends...gnome is very different |
| 16:11.47 | bigdog_ut | kde is along the lines |
| 16:11.49 | synic | there are articles that Sun/others have written regarding this - guidelines you should follow to make your app useable on all operating systems |
| 16:12.06 | bigdog_ut | yes with the focus on all systems |
| 16:12.24 | wps | one of the biggest difference being the menu bar being in the window or at the top (like mac)... and the quit the app by closing the window or actually quitting the app |
| 16:12.42 | bigdog_ut | yes |
| 16:12.59 | bigdog_ut | in linux that will close the app |
| 16:13.27 | wps | that is one of the biggest things that I do not like about non-Mac OSs |
| 16:13.55 | bigdog_ut | but if you are not a mac user then you would not know the difference |
| 16:14.11 | wps | it's funny to watch people use a mac for the first time though :) |
| 16:14.16 | bigdog_ut | u |
| 16:14.22 | wps | after a few days they have every application on their system running :) |
| 16:15.34 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:15.43 | bigdog_ut | see and that would piss me off |
| 16:15.57 | bigdog_ut | but what gets me is that mac osX is freebsd under the hood |
| 16:16.26 | wps | well, you just cmd + q instead of closing the window |
| 16:16.44 | wps | it doesn't make any sense to have closing the window quit the application though... because applications hav multiple windows |
| 16:17.18 | bigdog_ut | if they are done that way...some apps are single windows only |
| 16:18.05 | wps | sure... the bad UI design comes in using a system (the close icon) for multiple uses... inconsistant |
| 16:18.38 | wps | the button should just do one thing: close the window or quit the app... not either or, depending on how many windows you have open |
| 16:18.44 | bigdog_ut | agreed...but where does it specify that in the ui standards? |
| 16:19.21 | wps | well, for windows, it specifies the opposite, that it can do either |
| 16:19.44 | wps | for mac, it specifies that closing the window only closes the window |
| 16:20.03 | wps | and, well, that one reason that multiple OSs exist... so that each can choose which method he likes |
| 16:20.09 | bigdog_ut | hence the need for a standard |
| 16:20.26 | bigdog_ut | but we both know that will never happen |
| 16:20.52 | wps | right, you will never be able to get everyone to agree on a one way or the other |
| 16:21.37 | bigdog_ut | but i do agree w/ you and synic that for each os you need to be compliant w/ the given ui |
| 16:21.39 | wps | my point is just that if a company (free app or not) claims that they have a mac version of their product (not just the code... if you so desire to download and run it... but a supported mac version), then they should do the work to make it mac-friendly |
| 16:22.16 | synic | but then I sold my mac. |
| 16:22.25 | wps | take Zend Studio for example |
| 16:22.26 | synic | I need to find a Java developer that uses OS X |
| 16:22.35 | wps | (a pricey application) |
| 16:22.40 | bigdog_ut | i know one |
| 16:22.46 | bigdog_ut | out of all the 100's i know |
| 16:22.59 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 16:23.17 | wps | although their Mac version has improved leaps and bounds in the last few versions, it still breads many basic, fundamental UI conventions |
| 16:23.25 | wps | *breaks |
| 16:23.35 | wps | and it costs hundreds of dollars |
| 16:23.40 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 16:23.55 | bigdog_ut | is zend written in java? |
| 16:24.00 | wps | yes |
| 16:24.07 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:24.14 | bigdog_ut | that cracks me up |
| 16:24.32 | wps | if a company like Adobe tried to pull a stunt like that with an app like Photoshop, the users would revolt |
| 16:24.49 | bigdog_ut | yes...cause the quality is there for adobe |
| 16:24.56 | bigdog_ut | and not for zend |
| 16:25.07 | bigdog_ut | i would never use a zend desktop product |
| 16:25.21 | wps | do they have more than one? |
| 16:26.25 | wps | anyone read the fake 2008 memo from Linus to Bill Gates published on wired? |
| 16:27.06 | synic | nope |
| 16:27.19 | wps | http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/microsoft.html?tw=wn_tophead_5 |
| 16:27.24 | wps | I found parts of it interesting |
| 16:27.55 | macnewbold | so wps: regarding your Mac UI issues, and using Mac Ctrl-key conventions in a mac version of a product... |
| 16:28.05 | wps | yes? |
| 16:28.09 | macnewbold | which is worse, to use non-mac keys in the mac version, |
| 16:28.19 | macnewbold | or to use different keys in the versions for every platform? |
| 16:28.44 | synic | Java doesn't define them as exact keys |
| 16:28.55 | macnewbold | I'd be confused as heck if every time I switched from gnome to kde to mac to win to linux if it used different Ctrl-foo keys for everything |
| 16:29.16 | synic | it defines them as meta keys... it's ctrl on windows, and command on mac |
| 16:29.22 | synic | so you don't really have to change your code there |
| 16:29.42 | macnewbold | some of them directly conflict though... |
| 16:29.52 | macnewbold | Cmd on mac == Ctrl on PC, no? |
| 16:29.57 | synic | yes |
| 16:30.18 | macnewbold | so if Ctrl-W does one thing on a PC, and should do close window on a mac, what do you do? |
| 16:30.41 | macnewbold | make them different on different platforms, or keep them consistent? |
| 16:30.45 | wps | different |
| 16:30.50 | macnewbold | I disagree |
| 16:31.12 | synic | what does CTRL+W do on a PC? |
| 16:31.20 | wps | close window |
| 16:31.31 | macnewbold | If I use a product on windows/linux/PC, I want to be able to use it on a mac without relearning everything |
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| 16:31.45 | macnewbold | wps: alt-F4 is close window in windows |
| 16:31.54 | macnewbold | ctrl-w has no particular defined binding |
| 16:32.01 | wps | ctrl + w works too though |
| 16:32.05 | synic | so what conflicts then? |
| 16:32.16 | macnewbold | stuff like ctrl-C, ctrl-V, ctrl-x has normal bindings though |
| 16:32.38 | macnewbold | wps: ctrl-W only does close window if that's what your program chooses to do... it isn't a standard windows command, like alt-f4 |
| 16:32.39 | synic | those are the same in mac |
| 16:32.50 | wps | true |
| 16:33.14 | synic | and ALT+F4 is a window manager thing on linux. ALT+F4 kills the app whether or not the app responds to that key combination |
| 16:33.21 | macnewbold | the one that really messes me up is in xemacs, ctrl-x ctrl-w is Save As... |
| 16:33.35 | macnewbold | but on windows, it offers to close my editor, or just does it if I don't have changed files |
| 16:34.14 | wps | and that is one area that Microsoft Window's UI is totally inconsistent... using the same key for multiple things... |
| 16:34.38 | wps | if you have an app open with several windows and then start hitting alt + F4 repeatedly... |
| 16:35.22 | wps | it will first close each window one at a time.... then quit the app... and then bring up the stand-by, shut down, restart diaplogue |
| 16:36.39 | wps | resulting in that you will never knew what will happen when you hit that keystroke |
| 16:37.29 | wps | know |
| 16:39.54 | macnewbold | sorry, I meant on a mac (w/x11), not on windows. |
| 16:40.23 | macnewbold | it's not that _windows_ is inconsistent, it's that many (most?) of the ctrl-key combinations are left for apps to use for application-specific commands |
| 16:41.22 | macnewbold | re alt-f4 closing many windows in a row, that's simply because when you close one, focus moves to another... what should it do, just stay unfocused? |
| 16:41.33 | macnewbold | that's a call that could go eithe rway |
| 16:42.37 | wps | my point is the same as I made earlier with the close window icon... that it should not both close the application and close windows |
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| 17:08.11 | mindjuju | heya optikal, that infected mushroom stuff is really cool! |
| 17:08.21 | optikal | hehe. i thought you would like that |
| 17:08.32 | optikal | they aren't my favorite for nothin.=) |
| 17:08.39 | optikal | ive gotten a ton of people hooked on them |
| 17:08.57 | mindjuju | really easy to program to, especially if you have headphones on |
| 17:09.33 | optikal | yes. they are awesome coding music.. but i have a ton of great coding music. |
| 17:09.48 | optikal | shpongle/c-mon and kypski/the flashbulb/etc are a few |
| 17:10.10 | mindjuju | i'll have to check those out. did you like baby anne? |
| 17:10.26 | mindjuju | or too much jungle / breakbeats? |
| 17:10.42 | optikal | yah. it makes for some pretty good listening |
| 17:13.50 | synic | I can't listen to Infected Mushroom while coding. |
| 17:14.07 | optikal | well your deformed in many unknown ways.. |
| 17:14.12 | synic | pretty soon I'm doing more tush shaking than coding |
| 17:14.17 | optikal | haha |
| 17:14.44 | optikal | if i have to plan a complex function or whatever, sometimes i have to pause it =P |
| 17:15.12 | synic | that's where the triphop comes in. It's not so distracting |
| 17:16.02 | mindjuju | what's triphop? |
| 17:16.44 | synic | sneaker pimps, massive attack, portishead, goldfrapp |
| 17:16.59 | optikal | gotlink or wannadump? |
| 17:17.14 | mindjuju | i love portishead, they did this awesome remix of depeche mode's In Your Room |
| 17:17.40 | synic | optikal: I sent you that one song |
| 17:17.47 | synic | dunno if you ever listened to it, though |
| 17:17.47 | synic | lol |
| 17:17.56 | optikal | did you? im forgetful. where did you send it to? |
| 17:18.05 | synic | I sent a link |
| 17:18.15 | optikal | hmm. lemme check my dl folder here. |
| 17:18.33 | synic | mindjuju: depeche mode is t3h w00t too |
| 17:18.33 | optikal | yikes i got a lot of mp3s in there.. any idea the title of the file? |
| 17:18.40 | synic | it's called strict machine |
| 17:18.57 | synic | I often wonder if Depeche Mode is in the triphop category. |
| 17:18.59 | optikal | aah its here |
| 17:19.30 | synic | brb |
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| 17:23.32 | synic | optikal: if you can get your hands on Massive Attack - Mezzanine, it's the single best triphop album out there. |
| 17:23.49 | optikal | crazy.. i really digged that song.. got more? |
| 17:24.07 | synic | brb |
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| 17:29.11 | provocamper | Hello all |
| 17:29.18 | wps | welcome |
| 17:29.22 | synic | optikal: I'd send you some more, but all of my music is on my rio, and I didn't bring my dock |
| 17:29.25 | provocamper | thank you |
| 17:30.15 | provocamper | Could anybody tell me why a file upload would not work when the _FILE array says that it had not error? |
| 17:30.39 | bigdog_ut | what is erroring? |
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| 17:30.57 | mindjuju | is the file not where it should be or did the file get corrupt in transit? |
| 17:31.00 | provocamper | the file does not get uploaded. |
| 17:31.25 | wps | does it make it to the temp dir? |
| 17:31.36 | provocamper | the _FILE array says that it should be in /var/tmp, I am pretty sure that it is getting there. |
| 17:31.57 | wps | can you look in that dir and see if it is there? |
| 17:33.07 | provocamper | I am checking right now. |
| 17:33.59 | optikal | synic: its okay, i just found a few albums.. its being dumped to that ftp infoz you have. |
| 17:34.03 | provocamper | ggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I do not have access to the directory at the moment. |
| 17:34.28 | bigdog_ut | have it write the file to a dir that the apache server has access too |
| 17:34.34 | provocamper | Besides not being uploaded into the temp dir what else could go wrong? |
| 17:34.37 | bigdog_ut | then copy it to your webroot |
| 17:34.43 | provocamper | yes, I realized that. |
| 17:34.51 | bigdog_ut | are you copying it then? |
| 17:35.24 | bigdog_ut | turn on full debug for php and see what other errors you get? |
| 17:35.52 | provocamper | yes the file is suppoused to be moved from the tmp directory by move_upload (I think that is the function name). |
| 17:36.21 | provocamper | aaaaaaaaaahhh the joys of working on someone elses server. You do not get to turn everything on. |
| 17:36.36 | provocamper | There are too many other production things that use php to do that. |
| 17:36.39 | bigdog_ut | you can specify that in your file if you have too |
| 17:36.52 | tierra|h | ah, the joys of being able to install and setup whatever you want, including PHP5... linode.com |
| 17:36.59 | provocamper | lol |
| 17:37.39 | provocamper | I have my own server at home and this uploading is not a problem. It is when I go to my brother's network that I have the problem. |
| 17:37.48 | tierra|h | brb... something wrong with my irc client... running kinda laggy |
| 17:37.48 | optikal | tierra|h: amen |
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| 17:38.14 | tierra|h | much better |
| 17:38.15 | bigdog_ut | optikal, how much they charge (inode.com)? |
| 17:38.22 | optikal | bigdog_ut: depends on the package.. |
| 17:38.28 | bigdog_ut | what package you got? |
| 17:38.30 | optikal | http://www.linode.com/products/linodes.cfm |
| 17:38.32 | tierra|h | http://www.linode.com/products/linodes.cfm |
| 17:38.36 | optikal | Im on a linode64.. |
| 17:38.37 | tierra|h | beat me to it... damn |
| 17:38.40 | optikal | =P~ |
| 17:38.55 | tierra|h | I actually heard about linode first on UPHPU mailing list |
| 17:39.03 | bigdog_ut | y |
| 17:39.12 | optikal | yeah, tierra|h referred me |
| 17:39.17 | optikal | im hookd.. thats for sure |
| 17:39.30 | optikal | UML is just killr. all the control is in your hands |
| 17:39.42 | optikal | and linode.com has tons of bandwidth.. http://www.linode.com/products/network.cfm |
| 17:39.54 | bigdog_ut | do they install the distro for you? |
| 17:39.58 | tierra|h | it's perfect if your in between hosting more than one site, and you can't afford/don't need a dedicated server |
| 17:40.06 | optikal | ^^ well said |
| 17:40.14 | optikal | bigdog_ut: they have images.. with the basics predone |
| 17:40.16 | tierra|h | you have a lot of choice on distro |
| 17:40.23 | tierra|h | base images, and you don |
| 17:40.23 | optikal | bigdog_ut: like, ssh and a few things.. but you still have to do apache/mta/etc |
| 17:40.39 | optikal | http://www.linode.com/products/controlpanel.cfm |
| 17:40.43 | bigdog_ut | oh...but you do it and get what you want |
| 17:40.48 | optikal | Great web control panel |
| 17:40.55 | tierra|h | you don't even have to use the base images if you don't want... you can setup a temp small distro, format a new partition, and install whatever you want on it |
| 17:41.09 | optikal | yeah.. they dont have every distro, but they do have debian/rh/gentoo/slackware/ubuntu(soon)/etc |
| 17:41.35 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 17:41.41 | tierra|h | yeah, you'll find your various postfix gurus, sendmail gurus, and then there's me, using qmail |
| 17:41.48 | tierra|h | =) |
| 17:41.49 | optikal | you can also ssh to the terminal itself, so if you have boot/network issues |
| 17:42.17 | bigdog_ut | cool...i might have to check it out |
| 17:42.46 | optikal | i highly recommend.. but surf their site, it'll decide for you.. plenty of infoz, and an awesome forum too |
| 17:42.51 | tierra|h | there's what's called the "Linode Platform Manager" which allows for configuring multiple configurations (you can switch and boot a separate partition with a different distro and config) |
| 17:43.17 | wps | I have heard nothing but good comments about Linode |
| 17:43.22 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 17:43.22 | tierra|h | http://www.linode.com/wiki/ <- this is new (I actually did most the work on the main page) |
| 17:43.24 | optikal | yah.. Platform manager rocks.. so in theory, you could have as many (limited by diskspace, of course) distros as you want, and you can shut em down and boot em up (one at a time) at your own will |
| 17:43.31 | bigdog_ut | i like the bittorrent server |
| 17:43.45 | tierra|h | yeah, I've had a tracker running on my linode at one point |
| 17:43.54 | bigdog_ut | oh..distcc nodes |
| 17:45.15 | tierra|h | there's only one guy running the entire setup though... so if you have the tendancy to need 24/7 support constantly like some people who don't know what they're doing, it's not your thing |
| 17:45.52 | tierra|h | that one guy knows more about linux that anyone I've ever met though... he's a genius |
| 17:46.08 | bigdog_ut | coll |
| 17:46.12 | bigdog_ut | one guy runs the show |
| 17:46.14 | tierra|h | he helps out a ton with the User-Mode-Linux project |
| 17:46.31 | bigdog_ut | i can imagine...but sounds like a sweet set up |
| 17:46.36 | bigdog_ut | $$$ |
| 17:46.45 | tierra|h | there only really needs to be one guy, he has everything scripted... even reverse DNS |
| 17:46.57 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 17:47.06 | tierra|h | when your smart enough to pull off a setup like that, that's where the money is |
| 17:47.09 | optikal | yah. caker is insane |
| 17:47.15 | bigdog_ut | i thought about setting up uml...never did though |
| 17:47.48 | bigdog_ut | if only i had the time |
| 17:48.05 | tierra|h | don't get me wrong, between the LPM, and LISH (he even hooks up a console so if your ssh goes down, you have another way to access your box), and everything else, that's a lot of work |
| 17:48.14 | bigdog_ut | synic, ive been using htat java-gnome...that sh*% is killer |
| 17:48.54 | bigdog_ut | what is the control panel written in? |
| 17:49.18 | tierra|h | cold fusion it looks like... not what I'd expect, but... |
| 17:49.50 | optikal | yah. i noticed that too and went 'hmm' |
| 17:50.02 | optikal | but i dont know cfm enough to even knock it, but i just know i dont want to waste my time learning it. =P |
| 17:50.05 | bigdog_ut | i saw the website as that |
| 17:50.19 | bigdog_ut | cfm sucks |
| 17:50.39 | optikal | yah.. thats what ive heard all around |
| 17:50.47 | tierra|h | I've never had a problem using it, so I guess it works |
| 17:50.58 | optikal | yep |
| 17:51.08 | bigdog_ut | using is okay..but to have to purchase a cfm server to run it on |
| 17:51.28 | tierra|h | yeah, I thought it used a ton of memory... resource hog |
| 17:51.55 | tierra|h | holy **** |
| 17:51.57 | bigdog_ut | yeah...macromedias version of like .net stuff |
| 17:52.01 | tierra|h | optikal, look at distros |
| 17:52.06 | tierra|h | caker added Ubuntu |
| 17:52.12 | optikal | already? daaang |
| 17:56.27 | synic | bigdog_ut: is it? You'd probably like gtkmm |
| 17:56.45 | synic | gtk is almost the same in every language (from what I've seen) |
| 17:57.51 | bigdog_ut | yeah but gtkmm does not have java bindings as of yet |
| 17:58.05 | bigdog_ut | but i do like that gnome extends gtk+ with some stuff |
| 17:58.54 | synic | right, it's just gtk+ in C++ |
| 17:59.31 | synic | and there's gnomemm |
| 17:59.32 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 17:59.32 | synic | etc |
| 18:00.26 | bigdog_ut | man...writting windows apps in c really blows |
| 18:00.37 | synic | s/in c// |
| 18:00.59 | bigdog_ut | s/windows/gui/ |
| 18:01.30 | bigdog_ut | i do like having the java backend for some stuff like file and network io |
| 18:01.53 | bigdog_ut | not in c though |
| 18:03.54 | synic | hrmm - I haven't done anything gui in C |
| 18:04.02 | synic | but I imagine straight gtk+ wouldn't be bad |
| 18:14.38 | bigdog_ut | that is all in c |
| 18:15.11 | bigdog_ut | they do have a cool api for gui stuff...but doing the backend stuff would suck |
| 18:15.42 | bigdog_ut | provocamper, did you get that stuff fixed |
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| 19:14.34 | provocamper | Bigdog_ut, no I have not but I am going to have to deal with it later. Got more important things to take care of the moment. |
| 19:14.42 | provocamper | thank you all for you help. |
| 19:17.25 | bigdog_ut | no prob |
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| 20:34.53 | synic | bigdog_ut: here's something I think Sun should have done long ago: http://synic.ath.cx/doc |
| 20:34.56 | synic | type StringBuffer in there. |
| 20:35.48 | tierra|w | damn... I could of used that a few years ago... |
| 20:38.04 | macnewbold | php.net is still the best :) |
| 20:38.13 | synic | I'll agree with that. |
| 20:38.55 | synic | Ruby's documentation system could really use some work. |
| 20:39.03 | synic | perl's is slightly better |
| 20:41.32 | fungus | I totally dig the Ruby on Rails idea, but I don't want to use Ruby. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/01/20/rails.html?page=1 |
| 20:41.42 | fungus | Is there a comparable PHP version? |
| 20:41.42 | synic | rails is cool |
| 20:41.52 | synic | but really, there's not a lot to it. I bet it would be easy to write in php |
| 20:41.58 | synic | basically there's just three components |
| 20:42.14 | synic | the ActionHandler, ActiveModel and ... whatever the mailer was called |
| 20:42.21 | drewbono | Any mailman experts on here? |
| 20:42.58 | macnewbold | I send mail through it every now and then, if that counts, drewbono |
| 20:43.09 | drewbono | :-) |
| 20:43.13 | macnewbold | I'm pretty good at it, actually... |
| 20:43.13 | tierra|w | I have a mailman server... don't use it much though |
| 20:43.21 | tierra|w | set it up mostly to learn it |
| 20:43.22 | drewbono | I'm trying to set up a sublist. |
| 20:43.22 | fungus | I manage mailman lists, but have never "installed" it. |
| 20:43.33 | drewbono | So, for example, I have two lists: discussion and announce. |
| 20:43.42 | tierra|w | I don't know much about setting up umbrellas though |
| 20:43.56 | synic | fungus: the ActiveModel is the coolest, and would be easy to implement... Basically there's an object for every table in the database |
| 20:44.01 | drewbono | I want people who sign up for discussion to automatically receive the announce messages, but alsohave announce be its own list. |
| 20:44.09 | synic | and then you just use instances of the object |
| 20:44.27 | synic | Like contact = Contacts.find( 1 ); |
| 20:44.41 | synic | then you can use contact.get_first_name(); |
| 20:44.53 | fungus | synic, yes, I love the methodology, but I don't want to rewrite the whole thing myself. |
| 20:47.02 | fungus | Or should I just learn ruby? would it be worth it? |
| 20:47.11 | synic | ruby is totally awesome. |
| 20:47.17 | synic | it would definately be worth it. |
| 20:47.20 | synic | do you already know perl? |
| 20:47.38 | fungus | yeah, got perl down already. |
| 20:47.52 | synic | then it would take you like 2 hours to learn ruby |
| 20:48.04 | fungus | nice. |
| 20:48.30 | macnewbold | so what's so much cooler about ruby if it's just like perl? |
| 20:48.40 | fungus | I have tried learning python several times, but eventually give up. I have difficulty wrapping my head around it. |
| 20:48.41 | synic | perl lacks a good OO system |
| 20:48.48 | synic | ruby was built to be OO from the ground up |
| 20:48.57 | synic | so it doesn't feel so ad-hock when it comes to objects |
| 20:49.26 | synic | everything is an object in ruby... even the number 1 |
| 20:49.28 | fungus | OO is one of the very few things I hate about perl. |
| 20:49.42 | synic | you can dynamically add methods to the number 1 |
| 20:49.43 | synic | like this: |
| 20:49.55 | synic | class Fixnum; def woot; puts "woot"; end; end; |
| 20:49.59 | synic | then you can call 1.woot |
| 20:50.04 | synic | or 2.woot, etc |
| 20:50.11 | synic | dunno how that's useful, but it's kinda nifty :) |
| 20:50.17 | fungus | lol, very fun. |
| 20:51.12 | fungus | Should I force myself to learn python, or just start with ruby now? |
| 20:51.35 | synic | dunno, I haven't learned python yet, so I can't really say anything about it. |
| 20:51.47 | synic | but regarding ruby, I know like 7 languages and ruby is my favorite |
| 20:52.23 | fungus | hmm, PHP is still my fav, but perl comes as a close second. |
| 20:52.50 | fungus | Ok, I am gonna learn ruby. you convinced me. :) |
| 20:53.09 | synic | woot :) |
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| 21:01.43 | wps | that is so cool |
| 21:01.45 | wps | check this out |
| 21:01.52 | wps | ~google php user group |
| 21:02.03 | optikal | nice =) |
| 21:02.09 | wps | third listing in the entire world |
| 21:27.17 | macnewbold | ~google php users groups |
| 21:27.24 | macnewbold | ~google php user groups |
| 21:27.31 | macnewbold | ~google php users |
| 21:27.37 | macnewbold | ~google php groups |
| 21:27.47 | macnewbold | ~google php group |
| 21:28.24 | fungus | ~google jbot molester |
| 21:28.38 | optikal | heheh |
| 21:30.06 | dataw0lf | ~google optikal is gay |
| 21:30.20 | optikal | wtf |
| 21:30.26 | dataw0lf | heh, your site is number two. |
| 21:30.31 | dataw0lf | and the about.php no less. |
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| 21:39.42 | mindjuju | has anybody ever used zen cart or heard anything about it? |
| 21:40.21 | optikal | nope.. |
| 21:40.26 | optikal | only X-cart |
| 21:40.33 | optikal | on a open developer end.. |
| 21:40.53 | tierra|w | Age: 13.... |
| 21:41.05 | tierra|w | is that really an old site of yours, or something else? |
| 21:41.23 | optikal | not mine |
| 21:41.26 | tierra|w | nevermind |
| 21:41.27 | tierra|w | E-Mail: glitter4689@snet.net |
| 21:41.27 | tierra|w | Neomail: xxheavens_gatexx |
| 21:41.43 | optikal | i said wtf because of the similarities in the name.. |
| 21:42.10 | optikal | ive never actually hit up google about 'optikal' |
| 21:42.16 | fungus | phew, I can mention how hideous the site was then. |
| 21:42.16 | tierra|w | heh |
| 21:42.23 | tierra|w | haha |
| 21:42.47 | tierra|w | I will admit it's a lot better than most sadly though |
| 21:43.04 | optikal | hehe |
| 21:43.06 | optikal | mention away =P |
| 21:43.07 | fungus | animated gifs are sooo 90's |
| 21:43.09 | dataw0lf | oh, so this is where tierra|w ran to. |
| 21:43.19 | dataw0lf | hey hoser, I'm not done with you yet. |
| 21:43.23 | optikal | im @ optikal.org but its under construction still |
| 21:43.29 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:43.40 | optikal | got to make the news box backgrounds png's for transparencies n shit |
| 21:43.50 | dataw0lf | watch the language, bro. |
| 21:43.55 | optikal | yah i just realized that |
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| 22:09.04 | macnewbold | ~dataw0lf++ for watching the language :) |
| 22:10.09 | wps | I'll karma for that one too |
| 22:10.16 | wps | ~dataw0lf++ |
| 22:10.41 | wps | "xilch" that's a cool nick |
| 22:10.58 | wps | macnewbold: you know the command to return a users-in-the-channel count? |
| 22:11.23 | macnewbold | um... /list gives something, don't know about a count though |
| 22:11.29 | macnewbold | my client keeps track for me |
| 22:11.35 | optikal | yah same |
| 22:11.38 | macnewbold | we've got 16 now |
| 22:11.38 | optikal | 4 ops 16 total |
| 22:11.46 | wps | that's a record |
| 22:11.53 | macnewbold | yeah, we've been pretty high lately |
| 22:11.56 | optikal | I believe ive seen it over 20.. |
| 22:12.04 | wps | we have had 25 more members register just since our last meeting by-the-way |
| 22:12.04 | tierra|w | /names #uphpu |
| 22:12.05 | macnewbold | thanks to some new recruits who've become regulars |
| 22:12.07 | macnewbold | wow |
| 22:12.14 | wps | really? 20? wow |
| 22:12.29 | tierra|w | 19 - jbot = 18 |
| 22:12.30 | macnewbold | it's been cool to see people showing up here for php help, too |
| 22:12.36 | tierra|w | 19 - jbot = 18 - chanserv = 17 |
| 22:12.42 | macnewbold | like provocamper's question earlier today about $_FILE |
| 22:12.44 | optikal | hehe |
| 22:12.51 | optikal | yeah |
| 22:13.05 | macnewbold | usynic+ synic = 1 also... |
| 22:13.31 | optikal | so 16.. but yeh, still not bad.. being that atleast 50% of us are active |
| 22:17.36 | wps | any want to see my animation??? |
| 22:18.13 | optikal | hmm.. an animation of what? |
| 22:18.24 | wps | I little line named "bendy" |
| 22:18.33 | wps | :) |
| 22:18.34 | optikal | ooh.. i like lines.. me me. |
| 22:18.37 | wps | http://temp.wade.wfrmls.com/bendy.swf |
| 22:19.57 | optikal | poor bendy = |
| 22:19.58 | optikal | =( |
| 22:20.16 | bigdog_ut | go bendy it was your bday |
| 22:20.32 | wps | I wanted to make the end more dramatic, but I ran out of frames |
| 22:21.02 | wps | it's an exercise for my After Effects class and has to be exactly 10 seconds in length |
| 22:30.18 | wps | cio |
| 22:31.55 | dataw0lf | ok, this link is a bit suspicious, but bear with me, it's pretty funny : |
| 22:31.56 | dataw0lf | http://www.sexnfun.net/2005/01/bunnysuicides_1.html |
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| 22:37.04 | mindjuju | those are pretty funny, by the URL you'd think it could be an HR issue |
| 22:37.56 | dataw0lf | hehe, yeah. |
| 22:38.21 | dataw0lf | the funniest one, imho, is one of the last ones, with the alien s. |
| 22:38.24 | dataw0lf | aliens* |
| 22:39.25 | mindjuju | just passing the starwars one now |
| 22:40.27 | dataw0lf | you'll know which one I'm talking about when you see it, it's loltastic |
| 22:40.53 | spiderbiter | macnewbold, anyone, MySql can sum a column of numbers ... |
| 22:41.01 | macnewbold | sure... |
| 22:41.05 | macnewbold | sum(colname) |
| 22:41.09 | synic | el bwent. |
| 22:41.21 | spiderbiter | but can it sum/concat a whole column of strings? |
| 22:41.28 | macnewbold | ~translate "el bwent" |
| 22:43.12 | synic | macnewbold: http://linuxhelp.homeunix.com/wotd |
| 22:43.26 | spiderbiter | that's my real question, macnewbold |
| 22:43.49 | macnewbold | strings... hm |
| 22:44.24 | macnewbold | afaik, there's no magic for concat'ing strings.... I'd do it in php probably, just iterating through the rows and building up my string. |
| 22:45.16 | dataw0lf | Nah, not in MySQL. |
| 22:45.37 | dataw0lf | yeah, you're probably going to have to use for() and .=. |
| 22:45.39 | dataw0lf | or something. |
| 22:47.00 | spiderbiter | right, I was hoping to skip that step and go straight to DOMXML with the record set |
| 22:53.13 | dataw0lf | I know you can use the || operator in pg to concat strings, but MySQL doesn't support it. |
| 22:55.28 | spiderbiter | another reason to pickup pg |
| 22:56.42 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 22:56.50 | dataw0lf | I can give you a couple dozen more reasons too. |
| 22:57.33 | spiderbiter | I already have a bunch of reasons collected |
| 22:58.01 | spiderbiter | but MySQL is familiar and widely supported |
| 22:58.24 | spiderbiter | and I don't push it's limits very well |
| 22:58.40 | spiderbiter | or often |
| 22:58.43 | synic | dataw0lf: give me the reasons. |
| 23:00.13 | dataw0lf | synic: np, http://www.postgresql.org/docs/ |
| 23:00.18 | synic | bleh. |
| 23:00.35 | dataw0lf | diff that to mysql docs, homo. |
| 23:01.32 | synic | I wanted reasons that didn't require me to do stuff |
| 23:01.49 | dataw0lf | typical MySQL user. |
| 23:01.58 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 23:02.06 | synic | hey, I'm a pgsql user now... |
| 23:02.08 | synic | sorta. |
| 23:02.25 | synic | I asked for a db on jbother.org, and she gave me a postgres db. |
| 23:02.39 | dataw0lf | who ? |
| 23:02.55 | synic | Aredridel in #ruby-lang |
| 23:03.09 | dataw0lf | she's hosting for you? |
| 23:03.13 | synic | yup. |
| 23:03.20 | dataw0lf | cool beans. |
| 23:04.49 | macnewbold | spiderbiter: mysql can use concat() to join strings, but I don't see how that or pg's || makes the task any easier |
| 23:18.51 | spiderbiter | but concat works on the current record. can't concat(COLNAME) |
| 23:20.09 | spiderbiter | dataw0lf, does the || operator work accross records? |
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| 23:33.54 | alphahawk | question about sending a sql statment. is there a way to send quotation marks into the string? i.e. "Quote" do I need to make it \"Quote\"? |
| 23:34.55 | macnewbold | yeah, that should do it, as long as the whole string is in double quotes. |
| 23:35.05 | alphahawk | ok thanks |
| 23:35.41 | alphahawk | so if I wanted to pass a ' into a string in a variable doing \' would work also/ |
| 23:35.42 | mindjuju | i've read something interesting on the topic, you can use the addslashes() function to put the slashes in there for you |
| 23:35.50 | alphahawk | nice |
| 23:36.06 | mindjuju | and stripslashes() to pull them out |
| 23:37.23 | alphahawk | sweet thanks mindjuju |
| 23:37.43 | mindjuju | yup, we're all a team here |
| 23:38.19 | dataw0lf | obviously, magic quotes is another option, but I don't recommend it. |
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| 23:55.19 | macnewbold | did I miss anything? |
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