| 00:05.42 | *** join/#uphpu jsmith (~jsmith@smithfam.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 05:36.50 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 05:37.00 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 06:30.55 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 06:31.05 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 07:25.29 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 08:19.01 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 08:19.11 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 09:13.06 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 09:13.12 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 10:07.07 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 10:07.17 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 11:01.07 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 11:01.17 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 11:39.48 | *** join/#uphpu usynic (~synic@c-67-172-242-219.client.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:55.11 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 11:55.20 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 12:49.13 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 12:49.27 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 13:27.13 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 13:27.23 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 15:33.24 | *** join/#uphpu synic|h (~synic@c-67-172-242-219.client.comcast.net) |
| 15:45.36 | *** join/#uphpu bigdog_ut (~bigdog_ut@166.70.34.182) |
| 15:45.37 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o bigdog_ut] by ChanServ |
| 15:45.43 | bigdog_ut | mornin' all |
| 16:04.39 | *** join/#uphpu drewbono (~andrew@67.137.25.66) |
| 16:21.26 | *** join/#uphpu synic|h (~synic@c-67-172-242-219.client.comcast.net) |
| 17:19.55 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, did you get that apache thing figured out? |
| 17:42.27 | *** join/#uphpu fungus (~fungus@firebat.aros.net) |
| 17:42.35 | *** join/#uphpu jsmith (~jsmith@64.50.35.114.2O7.net) |
| 18:46.41 | *** join/#uphpu drewbono (~andrew@67.137.25.66) |
| 18:57.31 | *** join/#uphpu drewbono (~andrew@67.137.25.66) |
| 18:57.58 | *** join/#uphpu wps (~wps@208.186.134.102) |
| 18:58.08 | *** mode/#uphpu [+o wps] by ChanServ |
| 19:07.49 | macnewbold | ~uphpu |
| 19:49.49 | macnewbold | so anyone have an suggestions for tomorrow night's uphpu meeting? It looks like I'll be presenting on PHP Strings and Regular Expressions (PCRE, POSIX, and Bears, Oh My!) |
| 20:11.53 | *** join/#uphpu drewbono (~andrew@c-24-2-90-52.client.comcast.net) |
| 20:11.59 | *** topic/#uphpu by wps -> Tomorrow's meeting: strings and regular expressions! |
| 20:15.49 | macnewbold | (if I'm not responding, I may be gone, so email me mac at macnewbold.com) |
| 20:19.48 | macnewbold | hi drewbono... you coming to the meeting tomorrow? |
| 20:24.23 | bigdog_ut | i might be there |
| 20:24.28 | bigdog_ut | depending on the weather |
| 20:24.30 | dataw0lf | anyone know of any good articles on producing word and/or sxw documents in PHP? |
| 20:24.32 | bigdog_ut | and work |
| 20:24.47 | bigdog_ut | pear has some classes on it |
| 20:25.01 | bigdog_ut | but if you are doing word then i would look at the com extension |
| 20:25.59 | bigdog_ut | not sure about ooffice |
| 20:27.49 | synic|h | bleh. |
| 20:27.58 | synic|h | I vote we change the meeting night :) |
| 20:29.53 | wps | what would be better for you, synic? |
| 20:30.12 | synic|h | any day but Tuesday |
| 20:31.40 | synic|h | well, or Wedesday |
| 20:41.25 | *** join/#uphpu usynic (~synic@c-67-172-242-219.client.comcast.net) |
| 21:37.26 | bigdog_ut | i wish it was closer to my house |
| 21:42.20 | *** join/#uphpu jsmith (~jsmith@pip.drs1.omniture.com) |
| 21:42.37 | jsmith | Shucks... I'll be out of town tomorrow :-( |
| 21:43.01 | bigdog_ut | i must say macnewbold gives a great presentation |
| 21:43.17 | macnewbold | :) Thanks, but you might not be saying that after tomorrow... |
| 21:43.23 | jsmith | I'm sure he does... |
| 21:43.35 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:43.37 | jsmith | I could certainly stand to learn more about regex |
| 21:43.39 | bigdog_ut | regex |
| 21:43.46 | bigdog_ut | you will be fine |
| 21:43.58 | jsmith | macnewbold: You're gonna send me your slides, right? |
| 21:44.02 | macnewbold | sure :) |
| 21:44.06 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, we should do a presentation together |
| 21:44.07 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: you coming tomorrow? |
| 21:44.12 | macnewbold | yeah, that would be cool |
| 21:44.19 | bigdog_ut | not sure...i want too...but not sure yet |
| 21:44.32 | usynic | bigdog_ut, you should :) |
| 21:44.33 | macnewbold | maybe a best-practices assortment of things or something... |
| 21:44.35 | bigdog_ut | i wish we could stream it online |
| 21:44.40 | usynic | I'm gonna skip a prior engagement |
| 21:44.45 | usynic | so I can finally meet all you guys. |
| 21:44.51 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, that would be cool |
| 21:44.57 | macnewbold | yeah, if only we could get some free bandwidth from XMission or aros.net or somewhere... |
| 21:45.33 | bigdog_ut | that would be way cool...or even record it for later use. |
| 21:45.46 | bigdog_ut | i wish i had a digital cam i would use it |
| 21:47.03 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, would you like to present together |
| 21:47.05 | bigdog_ut | ? |
| 21:47.12 | macnewbold | yeah, sure |
| 21:47.13 | bigdog_ut | like this summer or soemthing |
| 21:47.21 | macnewbold | yeah, that would be cool |
| 21:47.27 | wps | no hand holding |
| 21:47.36 | macnewbold | I'll probably have slightly more time then, so we could work on it |
| 21:47.53 | bigdog_ut | yeah...we could do a really killer one |
| 21:48.10 | macnewbold | sounds good to me |
| 21:48.24 | macnewbold | you have a topic in mind already? |
| 21:48.31 | bigdog_ut | let me check |
| 21:48.49 | bigdog_ut | i signed up for a topic this year...cant remember when though |
| 21:50.00 | bigdog_ut | oh..i signed up for april for php and gtk |
| 21:50.12 | bigdog_ut | what do you think about that? |
| 21:50.27 | bigdog_ut | we could do it then...doesnt have to be gtk though |
| 21:51.30 | bigdog_ut | what topics interest you macnewbold ? |
| 21:51.43 | macnewbold | here's a list of topic suggestions that wade sent out toda.y some have already been done though... |
| 21:51.45 | macnewbold | PEAR: Steve Dibb, Ray Hunter |
| 21:51.45 | macnewbold | CURL: Daniel Crookston, Mac Newbold |
| 21:51.45 | macnewbold | MySQL: Steve Dibb, Ray Hunter, Mac Newbold |
| 21:51.45 | macnewbold | dynamic images and PDFs: Ryan Erickson, Ray Hunter |
| 21:51.45 | macnewbold | PHP best practices: Documenting your projects |
| 21:51.46 | macnewbold | Object-oriented PHP |
| 21:51.48 | macnewbold | Strings, arrays: Ray Hunter, Mac Newbold |
| 21:51.50 | macnewbold | PHP regular expressions: PCRE, POSIX: Ray Hunter, Mac Newbold |
| 21:51.52 | macnewbold | Streamlining php code |
| 21:51.54 | macnewbold | PHP cacheing systems and accelerators |
| 21:51.56 | macnewbold | PECL -- writing PHP extensions |
| 21:51.58 | macnewbold | What's new and improved in PHP 5 |
| 21:52.00 | macnewbold | XForms |
| 21:52.02 | bigdog_ut | why is my name on all those |
| 21:52.02 | macnewbold | OOP: Ray Hunter |
| 21:52.04 | macnewbold | LAMP: Ray Hunter |
| 21:52.06 | macnewbold | SQLite? |
| 21:52.08 | macnewbold | Postgres vs. MySQL: Ray Hunter |
| 21:52.10 | macnewbold | Action script and PHP |
| 21:52.12 | macnewbold | CSS, layout, and basic design principles: Wade Shearer, Ray Hunter |
| 21:52.14 | macnewbold | Enterprise Development (best practices): Ray Hunter |
| 21:52.16 | macnewbold | MYSQL functions: ? |
| 21:52.18 | macnewbold | MySQL fine-grained access control: ? |
| 21:52.20 | macnewbold | sorry, bigger than I thought |
| 21:52.24 | macnewbold | Cause you da man |
| 21:52.47 | bigdog_ut | enterprise dev might be good |
| 21:52.57 | bigdog_ut | development with many people |
| 21:53.05 | macnewbold | I know curl, ecommerce, lamp, and some enterprise dev |
| 21:53.12 | macnewbold | though I've never done PHP enterprise dev |
| 21:53.17 | macnewbold | well, sorta |
| 21:53.30 | bigdog_ut | not much here either...alot with java |
| 21:53.48 | macnewbold | the place I worked at the U was a big team, but it was c, perl, mysql, php, some tcl, and all sorts of stuff |
| 21:54.15 | bigdog_ut | likewise...but there are practices that i have alot with, especially cmmi |
| 21:55.43 | macnewbold | ~cmmi |
| 21:55.52 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: cmmi? |
| 21:56.04 | bigdog_ut | let me grab the url |
| 21:56.10 | macnewbold | thx |
| 21:56.20 | bigdog_ut | http://www.sei.cmu.edu/cmmi/ |
| 21:56.46 | bigdog_ut | if you are doing cmmi stuff then you are really developing enterprise apps |
| 21:57.13 | bigdog_ut | it like iso9000 certifications |
| 21:59.10 | macnewbold | hm |
| 21:59.37 | bigdog_ut | it is really complex stuff that i dont wish on anyone |
| 21:59.38 | macnewbold | no experience with iso9000 either. They mention TSP and Rational Unified Process and stuff, which I am familiar with, though. |
| 21:59.50 | macnewbold | :) Yeah, I feel similar about TSP and Rational |
| 22:00.02 | bigdog_ut | cmmi is a methodology for doing sw dev |
| 22:00.15 | bigdog_ut | and everything it can incompass |
| 22:00.17 | macnewbold | ah. |
| 22:00.19 | bigdog_ut | encompass |
| 22:00.58 | bigdog_ut | yeah that that to the nth degree and you have cmmi |
| 22:01.05 | macnewbold | regression testing is very important, but not always very easy to automate for php web apps |
| 22:01.18 | bigdog_ut | no |
| 22:01.30 | bigdog_ut | you need a couple special tools for that |
| 22:04.41 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, out of that list which ones did you like? |
| 22:07.44 | macnewbold | curl, lamp, and other e-commerce-ish stuff is probably what I've got the most experience with... |
| 22:08.30 | macnewbold | sw dev. process is another, I guess |
| 22:09.04 | macnewbold | too many php programmers didn't start out as "programmers" before learning php, and so don't have a lot of the good practices as part of their habits and background |
| 22:10.16 | bigdog_ut | i agree with that alot |
| 22:11.05 | bigdog_ut | or how to use the tools associated with that like cvs, subverison, beekeeper or other source control systems |
| 22:11.37 | bigdog_ut | that is a whole topic in and of itself |
| 22:11.54 | bigdog_ut | like branching, merging, relase builds |
| 22:11.58 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 22:12.06 | bigdog_ut | patches |
| 22:12.19 | macnewbold | some of that can be really helpful, even if you're just doing it to keep track of old versions and as a "backup" in case you screw things up |
| 22:12.37 | bigdog_ut | exactly...i do that alot with my server config files |
| 22:12.43 | macnewbold | a lot of php devs. don't seem to understand the principles of appropriate code reuse |
| 22:12.44 | bigdog_ut | saved me more than once |
| 22:12.53 | bigdog_ut | ya |
| 22:12.55 | macnewbold | yeah, my whole masters thesis is in RCS |
| 22:17.34 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 22:19.46 | bigdog_ut | i will email you a little later and perhaps we could start getting some stuff together after your pres this week |
| 22:22.37 | macnewbold | sounds good |
| 22:23.02 | macnewbold | I hope you can make it tomorrow... your comments will be very helpful to the presentation, if you're there |
| 22:23.45 | *** join/#uphpu tierra|w (~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:27.47 | macnewbold | hi tierra|w |
| 22:27.58 | tierra|w | hey macnewbold |
| 22:28.22 | macnewbold | you coming to the meeting tomorrow? |
| 22:31.59 | tierra|w | meeting tomarrow? ... |
| 22:33.18 | tierra|w | oh, your presenting |
| 22:34.11 | tierra|w | I don't see a time and place though... |
| 22:34.32 | fungus | http://uphpu.org/calendar_event.php?eid=20040930083706433 |
| 22:38.35 | usynic | tierra|w, so when are you going to tell me what your C++ project is? :) |
| 22:38.50 | tierra|w | haha... as soon as it releases |
| 22:39.01 | tierra|w | which still hasn't happened |
| 22:39.07 | usynic | oh, but it's done? |
| 22:39.21 | tierra|w | no, or else we would of released by now |
| 22:39.25 | usynic | ah. |
| 22:39.40 | usynic | I don't suppose it'll be opensource? |
| 22:40.14 | tierra|w | we keep thinking were like 2 weeks away, then something pops up, and we realize we've put off one entire part of the program |
| 22:40.18 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, i will see if i can make it tomorrow |
| 22:40.23 | tierra|w | no, no opensource |
| 22:40.35 | tierra|w | gots to get paid on this project |
| 22:40.38 | macnewbold | cool, hope to see you there, bigdog_ut |
| 22:40.42 | usynic | understandable. |
| 22:41.22 | tierra|w | nothing in my contract saying I can't work on an open source alternative once I'm done though =) |
| 22:41.39 | usynic | I'll remind Grifter to put that in. |
| 22:41.40 | tierra|w | heh... I'm sure I could get hit for that though |
| 22:41.47 | usynic | :) |
| 22:41.50 | usynic | j/k |
| 22:42.16 | usynic | well hurry up |
| 22:42.16 | tierra|w | wow... typeface on the website is really small |
| 22:42.25 | tierra|w | yeah, trying |
| 22:42.27 | usynic | I'm extremely curious |
| 22:42.29 | usynic | hehe |
| 22:42.55 | tierra|w | and my boss is extremely anxious |
| 22:43.20 | tierra|w | hmm.. 7:00-8:30.... I might be able to pull that off |
| 22:48.13 | bigdog_ut | i just hate driving down there |
| 22:48.22 | bigdog_ut | macnewbold, where you living at? slc? |
| 22:48.44 | bigdog_ut | nothing like jimmy hendrix and programming |
| 22:49.28 | usynic | nothing like triphop and programming in ruby :) |
| 22:49.31 | usynic | hehe. |
| 22:50.51 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: yes, I live in SLC - sugarhouse area |
| 22:51.43 | macnewbold | BTW, if anyone wants to carpool, I'm game. I'm near I-80 700 East exit. |
| 22:53.51 | usynic | macnewbold, I'll take you up on that |
| 22:53.59 | macnewbold | where are you at, usynic |
| 22:54.02 | macnewbold | msg me |
| 23:00.16 | usynic | brb, gonna try xfce 4.2 |
| 23:01.07 | *** join/#uphpu usynic (~synic@c-67-172-242-219.client.comcast.net) |
| 23:01.39 | dataw0lf | nothing like listening to the PIXIES and programming. |
| 23:01.46 | usynic | pfft. |
| 23:03.26 | dataw0lf | Interpol is toyt. |
| 23:04.36 | fungus | Yeah, I saw them when they came with the Cure last year. |
| 23:06.39 | dataw0lf | I've been listening to alot of the Cure lately. |
| 23:08.03 | tierra|w | macnewbold, your on I-80, 700 E? |
| 23:08.11 | macnewbold | real close, yeah |
| 23:08.17 | macnewbold | need a ride? |
| 23:08.19 | tierra|w | I'm on 3300 S, ~1500 E.. |
| 23:08.27 | tierra|w | not far from there |
| 23:08.37 | dataw0lf | a ride to what? |
| 23:08.46 | macnewbold | the meeting |
| 23:08.47 | tierra|w | I've got a car, but I'd be up for carpool |
| 23:08.56 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 23:09.17 | macnewbold | tom. night, 7pm at linux networx (pt. of the mtn) |
| 23:09.50 | dataw0lf | cool |
| 23:21.29 | macnewbold | wanna come? |
| 23:24.16 | dataw0lf | hrm, maybe. |
| 23:26.04 | dataw0lf | man my stomach hurts. |
| 23:46.35 | *** join/#uphpu Rajah (~mike@208.177.141.226.ptr.us.xo.net) |