| 00:00.24 | tierra|w | my .wgetrc already had a pretty lengthy list of russian proxies back when I found something I was looking for for ages on a russian server, which killed outside connections constantly (since traffic within .ru is free, but outside is expensive) |
| 00:22.50 | wps | I don't understand everything you are saying, but a concur... I _love_ wget |
| 00:25.35 | tierra|w | well, yeah, just getting into specifics that I do a lot of scripting with wget... and the million options built into wget are great |
| 00:25.50 | tierra|w | makes my job a hell of a lot easier |
| 00:30.33 | bigdog_ut | there are a few apps on *nix that a person should know |
| 00:30.39 | bigdog_ut | wget is one of them |
| 00:30.50 | tierra|w | screen is another |
| 00:31.01 | bigdog_ut | awk, sed and perl |
| 00:31.17 | bigdog_ut | and find and xargs |
| 00:31.19 | tierra|w | na... perl isn't on the should know list... maybe nice to know |
| 00:31.44 | bigdog_ut | perl or a shell script |
| 00:31.54 | tierra|w | yeah, some bash knowledge |
| 00:32.03 | tierra|w | of which I need to brush up on |
| 00:32.15 | tierra|w | grep |
| 00:32.22 | bigdog_ut | how could i forget |
| 00:32.42 | tierra|w | yeah, I use grep more than awk/sed |
| 00:33.01 | bigdog_ut | i use sed alot to modify the files i grep |
| 00:33.18 | bigdog_ut | head and tail |
| 00:33.23 | bigdog_ut | less |
| 00:33.40 | tierra|w | I'm usually parsing for info from logs, etc... not usually modifying |
| 00:33.49 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 00:33.59 | bigdog_ut | depends on what you do a lot of the time |
| 00:34.06 | tierra|w | if I knew more bash scripting, I'd probably be using sed/awk a ton on bash scripts |
| 00:34.18 | bigdog_ut | yeah it helps alot |
| 00:41.41 | bigdog_ut | i think also some of the formating commands too |
| 00:42.10 | tierra|w | knowing how to mix the use of 'ls |
| 00:42.22 | tierra|w | 'ls' and it's options with various other commands |
| 00:42.48 | bigdog_ut | yeah piping |
| 00:43.03 | tierra|w | yeah |
| 00:43.34 | tierra|w | I can't stand gui file managers anymore... |
| 00:43.48 | bigdog_ut | likewise i dont like any |
| 00:43.58 | bigdog_ut | i think really knowing your shell is key |
| 00:44.05 | tierra|w | definately |
| 00:44.19 | bigdog_ut | like changing bash to do vi commands |
| 00:44.34 | tierra|w | $EDITOR |
| 00:44.58 | bigdog_ut | actually bash can be changed to work like vi |
| 00:45.07 | tierra|w | oh? |
| 00:45.07 | bigdog_ut | so to type you hit "i" |
| 00:45.13 | tierra|w | crazy |
| 00:45.33 | bigdog_ut | yeah i like doing that to fellow co workers that hate vi |
| 00:45.37 | tierra|w | haha |
| 00:46.06 | tierra|w | I couldn't stand vi at first, but I learned to get around with it where I needed to considering it was default for a lot of stuff |
| 00:46.08 | bigdog_ut | bash can really do some killer stuff |
| 00:50.37 | bigdog_ut | emacs is killer...i dont have the time to learn |
| 00:51.01 | dataw0lf | vi and vim |
| 00:51.05 | dataw0lf | all you shall ever need. |
| 00:51.11 | bigdog_ut | agreed |
| 00:51.19 | bigdog_ut | that is why i have not learned emacs |
| 00:52.08 | dataw0lf | Yeah, learning another OS just isn't my style nowadays. |
| 00:52.50 | bigdog_ut | yeah i am staying where i am for now |
| 00:53.32 | tierra|w | haha |
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| 17:53.46 | macnewbold | Good morning, everyone! |
| 18:09.39 | bigdog_ut | whatz up macnewbold |
| 18:09.51 | macnewbold | hey bigdog_ut... how's it going? |
| 18:11.19 | bigdog_ut | just messing with my vmware |
| 18:13.39 | macnewbold | fun... is it working well for you? |
| 18:15.03 | bigdog_ut | actually it is working really good |
| 18:19.00 | macnewbold | does it normally support gentoo? or is that something you had to work for? |
| 18:28.39 | bigdog_ut | actually i am running vmware under gentoo |
| 18:28.57 | bigdog_ut | which is nice |
| 18:33.25 | bigdog_ut | i have some oracle apps that i need to run under windows |
| 18:33.33 | bigdog_ut | no sense in having another box |
| 18:33.55 | bigdog_ut | spiderbiter, you get your project done? |
| 18:34.54 | spiderbiter | today is the big day |
| 18:35.13 | spiderbiter | I've pulled all nighters the last 2 nights |
| 18:35.37 | macnewbold | ewww |
| 18:36.04 | macnewbold | all-nighters make it really hard to think straight or get anything done... especially 2 nights in a row |
| 18:36.24 | spiderbiter | I'll have some loose ends to tie off after today, but I think the client will be really happy |
| 18:37.24 | bigdog_ut | sounds killer good luck with the customer |
| 18:37.30 | spiderbiter | yeah, I went home at noon yeaterday and slept from 1 till 8:30 |
| 18:37.34 | spiderbiter | then came back in |
| 18:37.38 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 18:37.52 | bigdog_ut | seems like everynight for me |
| 18:38.12 | bigdog_ut | having a new little ones is killing me though |
| 18:38.16 | bigdog_ut | he is up all night |
| 18:38.24 | bigdog_ut | sleeps during the day |
| 18:39.47 | spiderbiter | I'm not babysitting the Lil'Dog! |
| 18:40.12 | spiderbiter | lol, good luck with that |
| 18:44.00 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 18:44.10 | bigdog_ut | i will have to just stay up |
| 18:45.20 | spiderbiter | Late nights with bigdog_ut, He'll be patching kernals in no time! |
| 18:58.16 | bigdog_ut | hell ya |
| 18:58.35 | bigdog_ut | i got my 4 yr old shell scripting now |
| 18:58.58 | bigdog_ut | writing shell scripts |
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| 19:29.58 | macnewbold | so who's coming to the meeting on Tuesday? |
| 19:30.19 | macnewbold | wps, what's the current plan? Is there a topic change, or not? |
| 19:30.32 | macnewbold | speaking of topics, is there a list of topics people have expressed interest in? |
| 19:30.33 | wps | we currently do not have a presenter |
| 19:30.41 | wps | yes, Dave has it |
| 19:30.57 | macnewbold | ah, cool |
| 19:31.12 | macnewbold | last I checked with him (2 days ago) he didn't have one,so I'll ask again |
| 19:31.26 | wps | k |
| 20:18.35 | dataw0lf | synic: so I got a laptop last night. |
| 20:18.51 | synic | ya did did ya? |
| 20:18.56 | synic | what did you get? |
| 20:19.41 | dataw0lf | synic: 1.6 ghz Pentium M, 512 Ram, 40 gig hd |
| 20:19.44 | dataw0lf | guess how much. |
| 20:19.49 | synic | $70 ? |
| 20:20.03 | dataw0lf | free |
| 20:20.23 | synic | hrmm, that's a lot less than $70 |
| 20:20.25 | synic | what brand? |
| 20:22.44 | dataw0lf | one sec let me check |
| 20:22.53 | dataw0lf | kryp71k gave it to me, he's getting a new one |
| 20:23.10 | synic | wtf - why did he give it to you for free? |
| 20:24.31 | dataw0lf | you got me. |
| 20:24.33 | dataw0lf | I have no idea. |
| 20:24.59 | dataw0lf | it's all spray painted one sec let me check the model number |
| 20:25.39 | dataw0lf | Sony |
| 20:26.09 | synic | lol, he painted it |
| 20:26.11 | synic | whacko |
| 20:26.26 | dataw0lf | hehe, he's crazy. |
| 20:27.53 | dataw0lf | oh, no not a sony. |
| 20:28.08 | dataw0lf | it's a jade 8060 |
| 20:28.13 | dataw0lf | apparently a popular linux laptop |
| 20:28.43 | dataw0lf | http://margo.student.utwente.nl/simon/ongoing/jade8060.php |
| 20:29.24 | synic | woot |
| 20:29.29 | synic | now you can nerd it up at the coffee shop |
| 20:30.34 | dataw0lf | it's been a while since I had a laptop I'm excited. |
| 20:30.46 | dataw0lf | Now to cover it in anti bush stickers. |
| 20:35.40 | jsmith | What good does that do... he certainly can't be reelected |
| 20:37.19 | dataw0lf | Doesn't mean I can't still hate his ass. |
| 20:37.30 | dataw0lf | and get him impeached for murder. |
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| 21:28.41 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I'll give you $70 for it... :) |
| 21:28.55 | macnewbold | that is if you haven't plastered it with those stickers yet... |
| 21:29.06 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: too late! |
| 21:29.08 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:29.17 | macnewbold | doh... foiled again. |
| 21:29.27 | macnewbold | what if I gave you $75? |
| 21:29.41 | dataw0lf | hehe, hm... nah, the stickers are worth more to me than that ;) |
| 21:29.54 | macnewbold | really? I'd say the stickers were pretty worthless... |
| 21:30.00 | macnewbold | how about $80 anyway? |
| 21:30.26 | macnewbold | going once... |
| 21:30.45 | macnewbold | going twice... |
| 21:30.49 | synic | $81 |
| 21:30.54 | macnewbold | $82 |
| 21:31.00 | dataw0lf | I got these stickers in Iraq, they kick arse. |
| 21:31.02 | synic | $82.40 |
| 21:31.16 | macnewbold | $82.50 |
| 21:31.22 | synic | NO!!! |
| 21:31.25 | dataw0lf | synic: why are you bidding? you have two lappys. |
| 21:31.29 | dataw0lf | or, is it three? |
| 21:31.34 | synic | it's one |
| 21:31.48 | dataw0lf | what happened to the apple and the extra one that got shipped? |
| 21:31.57 | macnewbold | once... twice... SOLD! To macnewbold for $82.50! |
| 21:32.09 | synic | dataw0lf, I sold the apple to buy the thinkpad |
| 21:32.12 | synic | and sent the other one back. |
| 21:32.18 | synic | The guy emailed me and said he would give me a refund. |
| 21:32.24 | synic | Just shows how much of an idiot. |
| 21:32.30 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 21:32.30 | synic | +he is |
| 21:33.12 | synic | he's going to refund me the money I never paid. |
| 21:33.16 | synic | pure genius. |
| 21:33.33 | macnewbold | so dataw0lf, I'll give trade you a check (or heck, cash even) for the laptop at the meeting on Tuesday... |
| 21:34.14 | dataw0lf | hehe, okie. |
| 21:40.16 | synic | but his hand misses the phone and hits the bag of fritos instead |
| 21:40.21 | macnewbold | ah, good |
| 21:40.39 | synic | mmmmm fritos |
| 21:41.09 | macnewbold | (I really don't forge checks, by the way, in case any of you were wondering... heck, I can't even _bounce_ checks (intentionally, anyway)) |
| 21:41.36 | synic | I stopped using check 'cause I'm all too good at bouncing them |
| 21:42.26 | synic | then I switched from Bank of AF to Wells Fargo and found out that you can bounce a debit card too. |
| 21:43.55 | dataw0lf | psh, treason. |
| 21:44.02 | dataw0lf | I was in the army for 3 years, bud. |
| 21:47.44 | dataw0lf | yeah, I'm just venting because I get tired of people supporting the war who haven't been over there. |
| 21:48.09 | dataw0lf | I say, if you support the war, sign up at your local recruiter. |
| 21:48.33 | macnewbold | I'm not saying I support the war, just that I support the president. |
| 21:48.44 | macnewbold | he's not perfect |
| 21:48.56 | dataw0lf | Ok, most people aren't perfect. |
| 21:49.09 | synic | wha? |
| 21:49.11 | dataw0lf | but most people who aren't perfect don't assume command with the intention of choosing a war. |
| 21:49.17 | dataw0lf | choosing a war. |
| 21:49.20 | dataw0lf | a war by choice. |
| 21:49.25 | dataw0lf | not good. |
| 21:49.42 | macnewbold | every war is by choice... |
| 21:49.48 | dataw0lf | No, not really. |
| 21:50.05 | macnewbold | how not? how to you get forced to participate in a war? |
| 21:50.05 | dataw0lf | When you try to avoid a war at all costs, and then are, basically, forced to 'choose' to go to war. |
| 21:50.08 | dataw0lf | that's different. |
| 21:50.18 | dataw0lf | did we try to avoid going to war with Iraq, in your opinion? |
| 21:50.32 | dataw0lf | I don't think we did. |
| 21:50.35 | macnewbold | well, we certainly put it off long enough... |
| 21:50.42 | dataw0lf | 'put it off' |
| 21:50.45 | macnewbold | Bush's _dad_ was involved over there... |
| 21:50.47 | dataw0lf | Saddam had Iraq under control. |
| 21:51.01 | macnewbold | right, that was the problem, wasn't it? |
| 21:51.08 | dataw0lf | No, it wasn't. |
| 21:51.10 | macnewbold | (one of them, anyway) |
| 21:51.20 | dataw0lf | The middle east, while, not stable, wasn't the hornet's nest it is now. |
| 21:51.38 | macnewbold | sometimes you have to take a small setback to make a bigger advance |
| 21:51.49 | dataw0lf | and then, the US, with our arrogance and western thought, decides to go in and, basically, usurp another culture and bend it toward western thought (ie, democracy) |
| 21:51.59 | dataw0lf | a small setback? |
| 21:52.06 | dataw0lf | my ex girlfriend got shot and killed in Iraq. |
| 21:52.12 | dataw0lf | My buddy Jeremy lost an arm. |
| 21:52.17 | dataw0lf | that isn't fucking small. |
| 21:52.26 | dataw0lf | that's big. |
| 21:52.34 | dataw0lf | now, watching it on CNN, you might assume 'it's a small setback' |
| 21:52.42 | macnewbold | short period of chaos and war, for what will hopefully be a long-term benefit to the people of Iraq and the rest of the world |
| 21:52.43 | dataw0lf | but I assure you, it's not getting any better over there. |
| 21:53.00 | macnewbold | I'm not saying that any of the sacrifices that have been made are small |
| 21:53.05 | dataw0lf | ok, you cannot impose western beliefs and our thought of 'freedom' on other cultures and religions. |
| 21:53.07 | dataw0lf | it doesn't work. |
| 21:53.11 | dataw0lf | not all countries can be democracys. |
| 21:53.31 | dataw0lf | But, in our arrogance, we think they can all subverted to that end. |
| 21:53.53 | dataw0lf | this, along with the corporatization of America, will probably be our downfall. |
| 21:54.04 | dataw0lf | we're eyeing Syria, Iran, and Korea right now. |
| 21:54.20 | dataw0lf | All three are going to alot harder to 'conquer', as we did in Iraq. |
| 21:54.27 | dataw0lf | North Korea would give us a run for our money. |
| 21:54.42 | dataw0lf | They have enough SCUDs, right now, to wipe out South Korea and all our forces there. |
| 21:54.53 | dataw0lf | and why shouldn't they? we're an imperialist and hegemonic culture now. |
| 21:55.32 | macnewbold | I don't agree that we're "conquering" countries to establish an empire |
| 21:55.38 | dataw0lf | If we had a communist country invading Canada, for the 'better good' of that country, what would we do. |
| 21:55.48 | dataw0lf | well, that's what we're doing right? |
| 21:55.53 | dataw0lf | we're forcing a Democracy on them. |
| 21:55.58 | dataw0lf | molding ourselves another ally. |
| 21:56.27 | dataw0lf | Putting a foot into the Middle East so it will make it that much easier to subvert them all to traditional Christian and Democratic beliefs. |
| 21:56.37 | macnewbold | oh, please.... |
| 21:56.42 | dataw0lf | What? |
| 21:56.52 | dataw0lf | You don't think that we're imposing a different culture onto them? |
| 21:57.00 | macnewbold | don't start getting off onto how you think we're trying to make them all religious converts... |
| 21:57.07 | dataw0lf | No, but that's what America is. |
| 21:57.12 | macnewbold | cause that's not what it's about at all |
| 21:57.22 | dataw0lf | it's a stronghold for, well, I won't say traditional Christian beliefs, but Western beliefs. |
| 21:57.32 | dataw0lf | And Democracy doesn't have a place in every country. |
| 21:57.37 | macnewbold | america was founded on _freedom_ of religion, not imposition of one by the government |
| 21:57.47 | macnewbold | democracy isn't right for anyone |
| 21:57.52 | dataw0lf | That's true, but we all still hold dear traditional Christian values. |
| 21:58.02 | macnewbold | but a bad dictatorship, tyranny, isn't right for _anyone_ IMO |
| 21:58.02 | dataw0lf | that's a part of 'Western' culture. |
| 21:58.05 | macnewbold | sure |
| 21:58.18 | dataw0lf | Yet we support 'bad dictatorships' all over. |
| 21:58.22 | macnewbold | muslims have many values in common with Western culture |
| 21:58.25 | dataw0lf | We were the ones who put Saddam in power, after all. |
| 21:58.39 | macnewbold | how do you figure that? (/me hadn't heard that before) |
| 21:58.47 | dataw0lf | You haven't heard that before? |
| 21:58.51 | dataw0lf | Need to read up on your history. |
| 21:58.54 | macnewbold | nope, honestly, no |
| 21:59.09 | macnewbold | I didn't watch the news all that much in the early 90's |
| 21:59.24 | macnewbold | I also don't buy into a lot of the "conspiracy theories" out there either |
| 21:59.31 | dataw0lf | He got into power in 1979, guy. |
| 21:59.35 | macnewbold | the simplest explanation is most often the correct one |
| 21:59.45 | dataw0lf | And it's a well known fact that we supported the Baath coup over there. |
| 21:59.48 | dataw0lf | it's not a conspiracy. |
| 21:59.51 | macnewbold | okay, I didn't watch the news much at all in the 70's |
| 21:59.52 | dataw0lf | I don't dig conspiracies either. |
| 22:00.29 | macnewbold | most of my world history knowledge diminishes dramatically after WWII |
| 22:00.38 | macnewbold | so yes, I'm ignorant to a lot of that |
| 22:00.40 | dataw0lf | well, that's a shame. |
| 22:00.44 | macnewbold | yeah, I agree |
| 22:00.55 | dataw0lf | However, I do propose that you read up on it. |
| 22:01.04 | macnewbold | yeah, that's a good idea |
| 22:01.06 | dataw0lf | and read up on we have supported many, many dictators in the past. |
| 22:01.11 | dataw0lf | *how |
| 22:01.20 | dataw0lf | and will continue to do so. |
| 22:01.21 | macnewbold | yeah, I know a bit about some of that |
| 22:01.43 | macnewbold | dictators aren't always bad though, not necessarily, anyway. |
| 22:01.51 | macnewbold | not that _I'd_ like having one |
| 22:01.57 | dataw0lf | We've supported genocide. |
| 22:02.01 | dataw0lf | through dictators. |
| 22:02.17 | macnewbold | example? |
| 22:02.23 | dataw0lf | Cambodia |
| 22:02.49 | dataw0lf | 1969-1979 |
| 22:02.50 | macnewbold | I don't know enough about that to say whether we _supported_ it or just couldn't stop it from happening |
| 22:02.58 | dataw0lf | No, we did support it. |
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| 22:03.40 | macnewbold | :) I guess we are getting pretty off-topic... |
| 22:03.54 | dataw0lf | Yeah, me too. |
| 22:03.57 | macnewbold | sounds like I've got some reading to do |
| 22:04.09 | macnewbold | thanks for being patient with me, dataw0lf |
| 22:04.16 | macnewbold | and good luck with your new laptop |
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| 23:31.24 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: heh, thanks for being patient with _me_. I can be pretty hard headed, especially when it comes to politics. |