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| 02:04.08 | bigdog_ut | synic, you around? |
| 02:07.39 | synic|h | sorta |
| 02:07.52 | bigdog_ut | i had a question about jbother for ya |
| 02:08.06 | synic|h | ok, shoot |
| 02:08.20 | bigdog_ut | i was wondering if there is an applet version? |
| 02:08.56 | synic|h | not ATM, I haven't done any applet work, so I don't even know what it would take to convert it to an applet. Sorry |
| 02:09.15 | bigdog_ut | okay...that is cool |
| 02:09.17 | synic|h | there is an applet java client - it's called greenthumb |
| 02:09.33 | bigdog_ut | yeah but its docs looked like crap |
| 02:11.07 | synic|h | you mean the javadocs? |
| 02:11.55 | bigdog_ut | no the user docs |
| 02:12.39 | synic|h | hmm. Are you just looking for a web enabled client, or does it have to be java? |
| 02:13.06 | bigdog_ut | i want web based that i can host on a server |
| 02:13.23 | bigdog_ut | java seems to be working good for me |
| 02:13.35 | bigdog_ut | i tried various php ones and the suck |
| 02:13.50 | bigdog_ut | i really want some type of socket connection running |
| 02:14.15 | synic|h | tried jwchat or that flash client? |
| 02:14.24 | synic|h | All I have so far is a webstart client |
| 02:14.26 | bigdog_ut | yeah...to much load on server |
| 02:14.36 | synic|h | it works well for os x and windows, but linux takes a bit of work |
| 02:14.56 | synic|h | http://www.jbother.org/jbother.jnlp |
| 02:15.14 | synic|h | I've had a few requests for an applet, so in the future I have plans to look into it |
| 02:15.16 | bigdog_ut | i looked at it |
| 02:15.45 | bigdog_ut | i have been thinking of writing one if i could not find out |
| 02:15.47 | bigdog_ut | find one |
| 02:16.15 | synic|h | if you do take that route, I highly recomment smack |
| 02:16.18 | synic|h | it's a great lib |
| 02:16.39 | synic|h | also, I wouldn't mind you contributing an applet version of jbother :) |
| 02:16.40 | synic|h | hehe |
| 02:19.44 | bigdog_ut | yeah, perhaps i will...i really want one that i can skin really easy and looks good...i wish they had a swt version |
| 02:22.48 | bigdog_ut | how long have you been working on jbrother |
| 02:22.57 | bigdog_ut | jbother |
| 02:23.10 | synic|h | about a year |
| 02:23.20 | bigdog_ut | looks good |
| 02:23.23 | synic|h | thanks :) |
| 02:23.39 | bigdog_ut | how you like using jedit? |
| 02:24.39 | synic|h | I don't use anything else. I program in several languages, and jedit has been the best for each one. It's also given me several ideas for JBother (the plugin system being a big one) |
| 02:25.00 | bigdog_ut | yeah..i use eclipse for everything |
| 02:25.09 | synic|h | the jedit source code being available has been a big help |
| 02:25.19 | synic|h | I used eclipse, but my computer was too slow... |
| 02:25.32 | bigdog_ut | lol..that happens alot |
| 02:26.08 | synic|h | for instance, the entire jedit plugin system is exactly how jbothers plugin system works |
| 02:26.46 | bigdog_ut | how does it work? |
| 02:26.52 | bigdog_ut | i am not familiar with jedit |
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| 02:27.10 | synic|h | well, the hard part is loading java classes from a jar file |
| 02:27.27 | synic|h | after that, every plugin register for plugin events |
| 02:27.34 | synic|h | *registers |
| 02:27.54 | synic|h | the plugin just checks to see if it wants to respond to any event |
| 02:28.08 | bigdog_ut | is that similar to lazy loading? |
| 02:28.13 | synic|h | I have no idea |
| 02:28.41 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 02:28.46 | synic|h | I had no experience in plugin coding (or even java or gui coding) before I started jbother |
| 02:29.04 | bigdog_ut | well i must say u did a good job |
| 02:29.26 | synic|h | thanks again :) |
| 02:31.02 | bigdog_ut | i have been looking at how eclipse does its plugins and it sounds similar...by registration it creates a class that mimics the real class |
| 02:31.06 | bigdog_ut | there is nothing in it |
| 02:31.19 | bigdog_ut | then when it needs that class it loads the real one |
| 02:31.23 | bigdog_ut | thus lazy loading |
| 02:31.57 | synic|h | hmm, yeah, it may be similar. |
| 02:32.12 | synic|h | classes that are loaded dynamically have to be casted to a known class or instance |
| 02:32.15 | synic|h | er.. interface |
| 02:33.36 | bigdog_ut | is jedit skinnable? |
| 02:33.54 | synic|h | it's skinnable with several standard java LAFs |
| 02:34.00 | synic|h | (same as JBother) |
| 02:34.05 | bigdog_ut | how do you access them? |
| 02:34.18 | synic|h | you have to install the Look and Feel plugin |
| 02:34.53 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 02:35.46 | synic|h | speaking of LAFs, how do you feel about Java 5's new metal look and feel? |
| 02:36.55 | bigdog_ut | i actually have not seen it at all |
| 02:37.09 | bigdog_ut | i still work on the 1.3.1 branch |
| 02:37.23 | synic|h | wow |
| 02:37.28 | bigdog_ut | i have been working some with 1.4.6..but 5 i will have to work on with some project i pick up |
| 02:37.34 | synic|h | jbother doesn't compile on 1.3 as far as I know. |
| 02:37.40 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 02:37.44 | bigdog_ut | that is good |
| 02:38.08 | bigdog_ut | i really only develop on 1.4 for the hotswap feature when debugging my 1.3 code |
| 02:38.25 | synic|h | hotswap feature? |
| 02:38.39 | bigdog_ut | yeah swapping code in and out as you debug it |
| 02:38.57 | synic|h | I must be taking something for granted here, hehe |
| 02:39.10 | synic|h | (I started with java 1.4 |
| 02:39.12 | synic|h | ) |
| 02:39.23 | bigdog_ut | yeah you can debug and swap code in and out |
| 02:39.43 | bigdog_ut | like make changes and jvm loads your changes up |
| 02:39.55 | synic|h | huh, haven't been using that |
| 02:39.58 | synic|h | just jedit and ant |
| 02:41.13 | bigdog_ut | yeah you need to run your code running in something that can debug |
| 02:42.14 | synic|h | huh, I just wish eclipse wasn't such a beast, and I wish it supported more languages |
| 02:42.23 | synic|h | it's nice to use the same editor for everything you do |
| 02:42.52 | synic|h | I program in perl and php for work, and several other languages for hobby... |
| 02:43.18 | bigdog_ut | yeah there are plugins for them |
| 02:43.27 | bigdog_ut | i use perl, python, php and some others |
| 02:43.36 | bigdog_ut | java, c/c++ and it has it all |
| 02:43.36 | synic|h | yeah, but the perl plugin took even my 2400+ down |
| 02:43.49 | synic|h | was slow as molasses |
| 02:43.55 | bigdog_ut | yeah that is true |
| 02:44.16 | synic|h | I mean, I program in Java! I'm used to slow! |
| 02:44.22 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 02:44.23 | synic|h | but eclipse is too much, lol |
| 02:44.44 | bigdog_ut | yeah i have not been impressed with the 3.0 branch |
| 02:47.00 | synic|h | I'm gonna go eat, ttyl :) |
| 02:47.06 | bigdog_ut | l8trz |
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