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| 06:23.34 | bigdog_ut | evening all |
| 06:26.11 | spiderbiter | bigdog_ut, evening |
| 06:27.05 | bigdog_ut | quite a few people in here tonight |
| 06:29.09 | spiderbiter | It'll be nice when that means 20 or more |
| 06:30.01 | bigdog_ut | yeah it is quiet sometimes...most of the time |
| 06:30.57 | spiderbiter | going to the meeting tomorrow? |
| 06:31.23 | bigdog_ut | yeah...i got a box of books to give out and i am interested in the presentation |
| 06:31.53 | spiderbiter | good, cause I could use a new book and I'm interested also |
| 06:32.23 | bigdog_ut | cool...i got some php books from apress and a one from addison-wesley |
| 06:48.21 | bigdog_ut | spiderbiter, what you are up too this late? |
| 06:49.13 | spiderbiter | I'm always up this late |
| 06:49.51 | spiderbiter | I'm getting ready to blast out an HTML email |
| 06:50.05 | spiderbiter | a newsletter for a local group |
| 06:50.19 | spiderbiter | yourself? |
| 06:50.31 | bigdog_ut | compiling apache+php for a client |
| 06:50.36 | bigdog_ut | and having a hell of a time |
| 06:50.44 | bigdog_ut | i hate rpms |
| 06:50.51 | spiderbiter | side job, eh? |
| 06:51.14 | bigdog_ut | yep that is what i spend most of my off time doing |
| 06:52.33 | spiderbiter | I'm trying to line up a few more projects myself |
| 06:52.36 | bigdog_ut | u would not think it would be some difficult to roll your own php...imap and rpms sucks with php and apache |
| 06:53.23 | spiderbiter | I'm afraid I'm not much help there |
| 06:54.16 | spiderbiter | unless you need a cheerleader |
| 06:54.26 | spiderbiter | but as far as cheerleaders go ... I'm pretty ugly |
| 06:57.37 | bigdog_ut | same here...unless you like the ones with the 1 pack (aka keg) |
| 06:58.04 | spiderbiter | lol |
| 06:58.38 | bigdog_ut | i can figure it out...it just sucks too |
| 07:00.39 | spiderbiter | where you located? |
| 07:00.50 | bigdog_ut | good ol' layton |
| 07:01.41 | spiderbiter | somewhat detached from the rest of us |
| 07:01.46 | bigdog_ut | yep |
| 07:02.02 | bigdog_ut | i cant remember if mac lives up this way |
| 07:02.18 | bigdog_ut | clear |
| 07:02.20 | spiderbiter | SLC I think |
| 07:02.20 | bigdog_ut | ops |
| 07:02.28 | bigdog_ut | yeah i think |
| 07:03.00 | bigdog_ut | i know there are a couple members that live up this way |
| 07:03.12 | spiderbiter | well, I'm in Lehi so Bluffdale is a great place for me to attend meetings |
| 07:03.24 | bigdog_ut | yeah that is pretty close |
| 07:06.13 | bigdog_ut | spiderbiter, what group are you sending emails too? |
| 07:06.43 | spiderbiter | a swing dance group |
| 07:06.56 | bigdog_ut | cool...i did soem of that back in the day |
| 07:07.15 | bigdog_ut | just a little...enough to jack someone up really bad |
| 07:07.23 | spiderbiter | we accept all kinds |
| 07:07.39 | bigdog_ut | then i did tango and latin dances |
| 07:07.43 | bigdog_ut | which i loved |
| 07:07.53 | bigdog_ut | havent done it for 7 years now |
| 07:09.11 | spiderbiter | the SLC area has a really diverse by age group |
| 07:09.20 | spiderbiter | and experience |
| 07:09.49 | bigdog_ut | that would be cool...to far to drive though |
| 07:09.59 | bigdog_ut | i know there are some up in ogden |
| 07:10.20 | bigdog_ut | where do you work at spiderbiter? |
| 07:10.31 | spiderbiter | there's a big event down here this weekend |
| 07:10.50 | spiderbiter | you want a one time newsletter |
| 07:11.06 | bigdog_ut | no thanks...i have no time for it |
| 07:11.12 | spiderbiter | ok |
| 07:11.22 | spiderbiter | I am self employed right now |
| 07:11.35 | bigdog_ut | what type of development you do? |
| 07:12.07 | spiderbiter | client and server side web dev |
| 07:12.28 | bigdog_ut | with php mainly? |
| 07:12.41 | spiderbiter | whatever the client is running |
| 07:12.47 | spiderbiter | php is my pref |
| 07:12.50 | bigdog_ut | cool |
| 07:13.10 | spiderbiter | asp syntax make me cringe |
| 07:13.27 | bigdog_ut | likewise |
| 07:13.54 | spiderbiter | you'll also see me on as edgecast sometimes |
| 07:14.04 | spiderbiter | edgecast.net is my domain |
| 07:14.48 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 07:19.10 | spiderbiter | yourself? |
| 07:19.31 | bigdog_ut | software architect, engineer and system admin for Northrop Grumman |
| 07:19.59 | bigdog_ut | and superman at night |
| 07:21.05 | spiderbiter | Defining the future by day, saving the world by night? |
| 07:21.38 | bigdog_ut | something to that extent...perhaps not the world, but at least my block |
| 07:22.55 | bigdog_ut | i do work tons though |
| 07:23.13 | bigdog_ut | i usually work 16 hour days average |
| 07:23.28 | spiderbiter | wow |
| 07:23.37 | spiderbiter | I don't miss those days |
| 07:24.01 | bigdog_ut | yeah...when you work 8 hour job and then consult at night for 8 hours it adds up |
| 07:24.06 | bigdog_ut | but i do like it alot |
| 07:24.56 | spiderbiter | my career surfaced out of an advertising agency |
| 07:25.21 | bigdog_ut | how is that |
| 07:25.53 | spiderbiter | well, they thrive on young, ambitious people ... and work them to death |
| 07:25.58 | spiderbiter | that's where I paid my dues |
| 07:26.05 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 07:27.16 | spiderbiter | They had mostly high profile tech clients |
| 07:27.28 | spiderbiter | with big budgets |
| 07:27.37 | spiderbiter | so the experience was great |
| 07:28.01 | bigdog_ut | how long did you do that for? |
| 07:28.15 | spiderbiter | 3 years |
| 07:28.32 | spiderbiter | 99-02 |
| 07:28.39 | bigdog_ut | not too long...but probably seemed that long |
| 07:29.01 | bigdog_ut | yeah i did college from 98-01 |
| 07:29.22 | bigdog_ut | i did a year of pre-med then moved to cs cause wife did not want to wait for me to become a Dr. |
| 07:30.22 | spiderbiter | she probably thought she'd see you more |
| 07:30.43 | bigdog_ut | yeah...i make as much...but i work as much too |
| 07:31.41 | spiderbiter | I did well last year, but this year not too good |
| 07:31.58 | spiderbiter | been tied up in my own developments |
| 07:32.03 | bigdog_ut | it is hard to do consulting...i can make more if i leave utah |
| 07:32.16 | spiderbiter | I'm considering LA right now |
| 07:33.06 | spiderbiter | are you a self employed consultant or pimped out? |
| 07:33.40 | bigdog_ut | for northrop grumman i am pimped to the air force and at night i pimp myself |
| 07:34.17 | bigdog_ut | pretty much all my consulting at work is done via friends |
| 07:34.44 | spiderbiter | me too, but I've let my contacts get stale so I'm starting from scratch |
| 07:35.01 | bigdog_ut | yeah i have been there |
| 07:36.23 | spiderbiter | What services you offer, sysadmin? |
| 07:36.56 | bigdog_ut | everything but graphic, flash and look-n-feel |
| 07:37.05 | bigdog_ut | i dont touch that |
| 07:37.21 | spiderbiter | me either |
| 07:37.40 | bigdog_ut | mainly backend, db, servers, and architecture stuff |
| 07:37.40 | spiderbiter | I've stayed in the advertising niche because they have their own designers |
| 07:39.33 | spiderbiter | if you have to turn down work I have some extra bandwidth |
| 07:39.41 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 07:40.28 | bigdog_ut | let me check i might have something |
| 07:44.28 | bigdog_ut | if he bites i will send your way |
| 07:46.23 | spiderbiter | great |
| 07:47.11 | bigdog_ut | not sure..i kinda blow him off because i did not like his requirements (how they were laid out) |
| 07:47.22 | spiderbiter | I've got la few nibblers right now, but haven't set the hook yet |
| 07:47.54 | bigdog_ut | i guess i am very picky now since things are busy...i have 4 clients now and i am strapped |
| 07:48.43 | spiderbiter | do you have a site? |
| 07:49.13 | spiderbiter | for our consulting |
| 07:49.20 | spiderbiter | your |
| 07:49.30 | bigdog_ut | nope no time to set it up |
| 07:49.32 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 07:49.53 | bigdog_ut | http://venticon.com/ |
| 07:50.41 | spiderbiter | some people really go for minimalism |
| 07:50.47 | spiderbiter | ;-) |
| 07:50.59 | bigdog_ut | yeah simple and to the point is how i look at it |
| 07:51.17 | bigdog_ut | next month i plan to have something up |
| 07:53.14 | spiderbiter | good luck |
| 07:53.17 | spiderbiter | well, my friend ... that email hasn't sent itself yet ... looks like I might have to intervein |
| 07:53.35 | bigdog_ut | k |