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| 01:01.40 | wps | someone told me that the developer extension for Firefox allows you to parse a website and have it return a report of all of the orphaned (unused) CSS declarations |
| 01:01.43 | wps | I am not seeing it however |
| 01:01.50 | wps | anyone know anything about that? |
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| 01:03.53 | tierra|w | you can't do that with the W3C Validator? |
| 01:04.15 | wps | not sure... can you? |
| 01:04.15 | tierra|w | well, I've never see it there, but I would think it would have support for it somewhere |
| 01:04.29 | macnewbold | wps: on my mozilla, it's listed under tools -> web development |
| 01:04.48 | macnewbold | the dom inspector is probably what you want |
| 01:04.57 | macnewbold | although I don't remember it doing all that css magic |
| 01:05.10 | macnewbold | there's also javascript console and debugger too |
| 01:05.19 | tierra|w | yeah, never heard of much CSS in the DOM inspector |
| 01:05.32 | macnewbold | and I'm with tierra|w, the w3c stuff at w3.org is good too. both the html and the css validators. |
| 01:05.52 | tierra|w | yeah, I always run my pages through it |
| 01:06.00 | tierra|w | CSS and XHTML |
| 01:06.12 | wps | right... good for validation |
| 01:06.23 | wps | but do the validators show you orphaned declarations? |
| 01:07.35 | tierra|w | that, I'm not sure of... did whoever that told you that tell you an extension name? I'm not seeing any firefox extensions for CSS... |
| 01:07.42 | tierra|w | https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?category=Developer%20Tools |
| 01:08.18 | tierra|w | oh, nevermind |
| 01:08.19 | wps | they thought that the developer extension did, but I don't see that functionality in there |
| 01:08.24 | tierra|w | I found it in the DOM Inspector |
| 01:09.07 | tierra|w | under the file menu, there's a button, and under that, another button, click that one |
| 01:09.15 | tierra|w | goto stylsheets |
| 01:10.06 | wps | I'm there |
| 01:10.14 | wps | and you see a place that it is stating if they are orphaned or not? |
| 01:10.25 | tierra|w | errr... nevermind again... I'm still not seeing anything for orphaned nodes |
| 01:10.33 | tierra|w | sorry |
| 01:10.59 | wps | no problem |
| 01:12.53 | tierra|w | I saw the stylesheet option in there (which I've never seen til now), and got a little excited |
| 01:16.16 | macnewbold | those tools are pretty handy |
| 01:16.42 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.01 | macnewbold | and which thing I accidentally left open... :) |
| 01:20.16 | tierra|w | I don't run into leaving stuff open anymore... don't know if it's just because of my style of coding or something else |
| 01:21.10 | tierra|w | I do misplace CSS divisions on occasion though, and I used to just change the background color to see what was going on with that |
| 01:22.27 | tierra|w | the validators are just kindof a system of making sure my code is solid, and also to re-assure me that IE is still in fact a piece of crap |
| 01:22.42 | wps | setting bright background colors is one of my most used debugging tools |
| 01:22.55 | macnewbold | yeah, I usually don't have many problems leaving stuff open, but my non-programmer partner sometimes doesn't realize when he's got the tags in the right place or not. (like he'll put an echo on the wrong side of a } from time to time) |
| 01:23.11 | tierra|w | hehe |
| 01:23.12 | macnewbold | yeah, bg colors can be good. I usually do borders though. |
| 01:23.23 | wps | what drives me nuts is when people don't close their tags |
| 01:23.30 | wps | a coworker is notorious for that |
| 01:23.56 | wps | doesn't close his <p>'s and <options>'s |
| 01:24.31 | tierra|w | I have more problems here at work with co-workers leaving warnings at compile time in the code (I do C++ work) |
| 01:24.48 | macnewbold | yeah.... what's up with that? |
| 01:24.54 | macnewbold | if it generates a warning, there's a reason |
| 01:25.02 | macnewbold | so you don't ignore it... |
| 01:26.15 | tierra|w | hehe, I can usually catch when it's just a warning about converting from size_t to int, and that usually isn't ever a problem, but a quick cast could make the warning go away |
| 01:26.51 | tierra|w | just showing that the programmer knows he is in fact casting it to a smaller type |
| 01:28.20 | wps | later |
| 01:29.35 | tierra|w | night |
| 01:29.52 | tierra|w | think I'm going to head out soon here as well |
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