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| 07:39.58 | *** topic/#uclibc by blindvt -> discussion of uClibc, Busybox and Buildroot | uClibc 0.9.33.2 was released 15 May 2012 | uClibc++ 0.2.3 was released 11 Apr 2012 | busybox 1.20.0 was released 22 Apr 2012 | Buildroot 2012.05-rc1 was released 10 May 2012 | For general setup issues try #oe, #elinux or #edev |
| 07:40.09 | blindvt | s/0.9.33.1/0.9.33.2/ |
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| 07:42.36 | blindvt | the waiting-for-the-chimney-sweeps-doing-exhaust-gas-measures release |
| 07:43.28 | CIA-146 | 03jacmet 07master * r0b6f3f2645a5 10buildroot/package/ndisc6/ndisc6.mk: ndisc6: fix build when libintl is enabled |
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| 08:14.41 | dileks | blindvt: /o\ |
| 08:15.07 | dileks | looked at the version-string :-)? |
| 08:16.05 | dileks | hmm, ldd.host: Fix compilation for STANDALONE support |
| 08:16.36 | dileks | blindvt: you fixed the 64-bit host/32-bit target issue? |
| 08:22.47 | dileks | blindvt: can you add md5sum/sha256sum files for release-tarballs in downloads-dir? |
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| 08:28.32 | olistudent | dileks: The fix looks too simple. :-) |
| 08:30.02 | dileks | gently asking for the real fix |
| 08:30.41 | dileks | $ grep ^EXTRAVERSION uClibc-0.9.33.2/Rules.mak |
| 08:30.41 | dileks | EXTRAVERSION :=.2 |
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| 14:21.54 | blueness | people in this channel might enjoy a "fun" thing i did, i built a full gentoo desktop system on uclibc-0.9.33.1 -> http://opensource.dyc.edu/pub/littleblue/ |
| 14:31.11 | dileks | pkg-list and some screenshots would be fine? |
| 14:31.46 | Jacmet | blueness: 0.9.33.2 is out, so you can now start rebuilding :P |
| 14:32.02 | blueness | Jacmet, lol haha |
| 14:32.19 | dileks | yupp, some hrs ago released |
| 14:32.55 | dileks | what means "stage4" in gentoo language? |
| 14:33.06 | blueness | Jacmet, i'm a prof and last week was exam week. So while proctoring the exams its a bit hard to get serious work done, so i thought, as a little experiment, what would break if i tried a full desktop |
| 14:33.09 | blueness | policykit |
| 14:33.18 | blueness | dileks, stage4 = beyond the base system |
| 14:33.43 | blueness | so stage3 has just the bare minimum for a chroot so you can bootstrap up |
| 14:33.59 | blueness | stage4 usually means a full system, not the best language but there it is |
| 14:34.47 | dileks | OK, I was more thinking about stageX in toolchain building |
| 14:35.29 | blueness | dileks yeah not really |
| 14:36.27 | blueness | oh to boot, its hardened = toolchain and binaries have ssp and pie |
| 14:36.33 | blueness | kernel has grsec/pax patches |
| 14:37.09 | blueness | you can test it with checksec -> http://www.trapkit.de/tools/checksec.html |
| 14:37.10 | dileks | hope you can log into the system :-)? |
| 14:37.27 | blueness | well not mine but yeah! |
| 14:37.34 | blueness | i have ssh startup |
| 14:38.07 | blueness | for the desktop greeter i used slim |
| 14:38.13 | blueness | which is a nicer version of xdm |
| 14:38.20 | blueness | for the desktop i used xfce4 |
| 14:38.29 | blueness | no pam, just shadow |
| 14:40.35 | dileks | blueness: do you read 100pages in 2hrs? with remarks done when reading thesis/diploma? so did my prof. and yes my diploma-thesis was full of remarks :-) |
| 14:40.57 | dileks | 1st version |
| 14:41.11 | blueness | i have done that |
| 14:41.46 | blueness | i don't know about 50 pages per hour, but a thesis in a day, with full remarks |
| 14:41.47 | dileks | OK, he had 30yrs of university experience |
| 14:42.11 | blueness | i got my phd from cornell in 1992, and started as an asst prof in 1995 |
| 14:44.14 | dileks | you tried that stage4 stuff on bare metal? |
| 14:46.22 | blueness | dileks, yes, i have a computer at the college running it right now |
| 14:46.23 | blueness | 1 sec |
| 14:47.02 | blueness | cpu -> model name: AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor |
| 14:47.05 | blueness | 3 core |
| 14:47.34 | blueness | lspci -> http://dpaste.com/748505/ |
| 14:47.54 | blueness | (by bare metal i assume you mean not virtualized) |
| 14:56.13 | dileks | blueness: VM is like virtual love |
| 14:57.28 | blueness | dileks, so i have three kick ass workstations at home, but I *still* need more computers, my lust for machines makes me resort to virtual love! |
| 14:58.26 | dileks | I see so much bugs not catched on 1. VM installs 2. developers using amd64 system |
| 15:12.28 | arm_uclinux | kos_tom: Hey, are you around? |
| 15:16.30 | kos_tom | arm_uclinux: yes. |
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| 16:09.31 | arm_uclinux | kos_tom: I got the codesourcery uclinux toolchain but am running into linker errors relating to no memory region for section '.interp'. Do you have working configs you can share? |
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| 16:17.59 | kos_tom | arm_uclinux: you get that when compiling what? |
| 16:18.30 | arm_uclinux | kos_tom: I am building buildroot but the error is when it compiles busybox. I am playing around with the config but no luck yet. |
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| 16:22.32 | kos_tom | arm_uclinux: please post your .config on the list + end of build log. |
| 16:23.15 | arm_uclinux | Where do I find the mailing list info? |
| 16:23.57 | kos_tom | http://buildroot.org |
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| 17:04.27 | blindvt | dileks, The 0.9.33.2 is ok for me. The ldd thing is like i said on the list, you currently have to pass in the correct -m(32|64) either in BUILD_CFLAGS or stuff it into HOSTCC |
| 17:04.51 | blindvt | dileks, there are .sign files for both compressed tarballs like we always had |
| 17:17.34 | blindvt | anyone with arm affinity around? |
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| 17:27.14 | CIA-146 | 03nico 07master * r8edee59c4bfe 10uClibc++/bin/Makefile: buildsys: prevent the wrapper from linking when generating dependency files |
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| 17:40.56 | dileks | blindvt: freetz has that "ugly" workaround for uclibc-utils/ldd, but with no reference to uclibc-ml in the source. a lot of projects have checksum-checking within their build-system. openwrt and freetz check for md5sum. thats why I asked. checking signature would be of course even more secure. |
| 17:55.47 | blindvt | dileks, usually the checksum checking is in the project's package-description so you don't rely on "untrusted" outer source. Our .sign are signed with my key and should have a verified trust-chain via debian. So iff you grab the SHA512 sum out of the verified .sign and that matches the .tar.xz you have the right thing |
| 17:56.15 | blindvt | dileks, where's your checksum thing for the uClibc package? |
| 17:57.03 | dileks | http://freetz.org/browser/trunk/toolchain/make/target/uclibc/uclibc.mk#L12 |
| 18:02.36 | blindvt | dileks, apart the fact that you should switch to something like sha512 to avoid md5 collisions, just download the .sign verify it and check if the fetcher ended up with downloading a file matching egrep ^MD5 ../uClibc-0.9.33.2.tar.xz.sign|awk '{print $2}' |
| 18:03.36 | blindvt | dileks, or checkout the corresponding tag and verify it's signature against the debian trust chain |
| 18:04.00 | blindvt | s/apart the/apart from the/ |
| 18:05.14 | blindvt | dileks, from an infrastructure POV i do prefer you downloading the tarball, of course ;) |
| 18:07.01 | dileks | should have better looked into sign-file |
| 18:08.53 | dileks | blindvt: "trust-chain via debian" - you are working for debian or worked? |
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| 19:31.53 | blindvt | dileks, no |
| 19:36.00 | blindvt | dileks, it just happens that my public key should fully verify via the debian chain (at least last time i was asked, somebody told me it would. Better check yourself, we will fix it if it does not hold true) |
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| 20:20.25 | y_morin | Hello! Is fenv supported for all architectures in uClibc? |
| 20:35.55 | khem | y_morin: yes |
| 20:36.09 | khem | y_morin: which arch are you looking for in particular |
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| 20:54.21 | y_morin | khem: none in particular. Just wanted to know whether enabling fenv by default in crosstool-NG would lead to _known_ problems. |
| 20:56.04 | khem | y_morin: none that I know of |
| 20:56.16 | y_morin | khem: OK, thanks! |
| 20:56.17 | khem | y_morin: ppc had some issue but its evades my memory |
| 20:58.24 | CIA-146 | 03jacmet 07master * r9950d485cd8c 10buildroot/package/dnsmasq/dnsmasq.mk: dnsmasq: host-pkg-config is needed for lua support as well |
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| 21:10.27 | kos_tom | Jacmet: I have fixed my build script to exclude ltp-testsuite/mrouted/xfsprogs, and regenerate another config when icu is selected with a known-broken toolchain. |
| 21:10.39 | kos_tom | Jacmet: we'll see if those fixes work and reduce a bit the number of failures. |
| 21:10.48 | kos_tom | Jacmet: though most of the recent failures aren't really related to that. |
| 21:11.02 | Jacmet | kos_tom: thanks |
| 21:11.31 | kos_tom | maybe my config testing the thumb support is not really interesting. |
| 21:11.52 | kos_tom | I'm not sure people are really interested by Thumb these days, everybody uses ARM or Thumb2, but not Thumb anymore. |
| 21:12.04 | kos_tom | and basically, all packages having some assembler code are broken wrt to thumb. |
| 21:12.58 | Jacmet | I saw a iproute2 failure related to unshare as well recently, so that'll need a rebuild with newer kernel headers/uclibc |
| 21:13.02 | Jacmet | kos_tom: agreed |
| 21:14.30 | khem | kos_tom: there are folks who use t1 |
| 21:14.31 | kos_tom | Jacmet: yeah, that was with a ctng toolchain, but I'm still struggling to get all my ctng toolchains rebuilt. |
| 21:14.44 | khem | kos_tom: although i agree its PITA to support t1 |
| 21:15.11 | khem | surprisingly there are enought designs using armv5t |
| 21:15.34 | kos_tom | yeah, but do people running Linux really care about t1 ? |
| 21:15.50 | kos_tom | when you're running an ARM7 with a small flash/RAM, I understand |
| 21:15.59 | kos_tom | but when you run a bloatware like the Linux kernel? |
| 21:18.17 | khem | kos_tom: funnily enough there are enough people |
| 21:18.39 | khem | because kernel stands no where in bloating when you consider a X system |
| 21:18.48 | khem | but I discourage people from using it |
| 21:21.13 | y_morin | khem: I thought the linux kernel did not run in thumb mode, only in arm or thumb2 mode. (of course userland could run in t1 with an arm or t2 mode kernel). Right? |
| 21:21.39 | khem | y_morin: thats correct |
| 21:21.46 | khem | its about userland |
| 21:21.55 | khem | and glibc can not be build in t1 |
| 21:22.08 | y_morin | So thumb is not that much interesting for really small systems, as only userland could be in thumb mode |
| 21:22.12 | khem | with eglibc I have success with t2 |
| 21:22.18 | khem | havent tried t1 with eglibc |
| 21:22.36 | khem | y_morin: its interesting for baremetal systems |
| 21:22.41 | y_morin | And bigger systems are most probably using a thumb2 cpu, so it's not that much interesting maintaing a thumb1 process. |
| 21:22.43 | khem | which dont use lnx e.g. |
| 21:22.57 | khem | yes I agree |
| 21:23.00 | y_morin | khem: yes, but then, exit kernel, uClibc, busybox, X and all the others! |
| 21:23.12 | khem | yeah |
| 21:23.47 | khem | some embedded systems e.g. micro controllish |
| 21:24.00 | khem | use rtos or stand alone apps |
| 21:24.10 | khem | which could save space if done in t1 |
| 21:24.31 | tinypoodle | khem> because kernel stands no where in bloating when you consider a X system <-- debatable! |
| 21:24.36 | tinypoodle | 644.0K /usr/bin/Xvesa |
| 21:24.37 | khem | and since now cortex-m is replacing that market it could be that t1 is more and more irrelevant |
| 21:25.05 | y_morin | khem: yes, so kos_tom's inquiry was in the buildroot context, and in this case, thumb1 is no more relevant. |
| 21:25.09 | khem | tinypoodle: I meant full Xorg |
| 21:25.17 | khem | you could debate using kdrive etc. |
| 21:25.20 | tinypoodle | that yes |
| 21:26.09 | tinypoodle | I think Xvesa and kdrive is more or less same |
| 21:26.43 | tinypoodle | or rather, Xvesa is one of several kdrive servers |
| 21:28.13 | khem | y_morin: I still have people who develop on armv5t |
| 21:28.17 | khem | and thus use t1 |
| 21:28.27 | khem | so its not gone totally out as yet :) |
| 21:28.47 | khem | but cortex series is slowly getting there |
| 21:29.03 | y_morin | khem: agreed, but for buildroot, as a way to move forward, it is not relevant to continue supporting thumb1. |
| 21:29.13 | y_morin | imho, that is... |
| 21:29.28 | khem | y_morin: thats true |
| 21:29.41 | khem | those people will be stuck with old buildroot :) |
| 21:29.47 | khem | which is right thing |
| 21:30.04 | khem | its a PITA to support it as I said earlier |
| 21:30.14 | khem | look how many patches we carry in OE to support t1 |
| 21:30.19 | khem | not worth it |
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