| 08:08.25 | sorphin | prpplague: don't tell me they let you go home |
| 08:09.14 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 08:09.27 | file | prpplague: congrats, glad to be back? |
| 08:09.40 | sorphin | course now that you're home, file's gonna bug you for a trace on that package ;) |
| 08:10.28 | file | sorphin: I'm in a happy mood today - so who knows |
| 08:10.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 08:17.18 | sorphin | morning grumpy |
| 08:19.12 | CosmicPenguin | morning to you, sneezy |
| 08:23.17 | prpplague | file: not really, got to work on some stupid imaging stuff |
| 08:24.00 | file | prpplague: ic |
| 08:28.28 | kergoth | morning all |
| 08:28.34 | kergoth | hey dave, welcome back |
| 08:33.55 | prpplague | kergoth: hey dude |
| 08:33.57 | prpplague | kergoth: thanks |
| 08:34.06 | prpplague | kergoth: time to get back to working on the z |
| 08:34.34 | prpplague | kergoth: my new backpack case is suppose to finished, i'll drive over tomorrow to have a look |
| 08:34.53 | file | prpplague: TCSX-1? *G* |
| 08:47.00 | sorphin | prpplague: i told ya you'd be filed ;) |
| 08:47.11 | sorphin | or defiled as the case may be |
| 08:47.31 | file | haha |
| 08:47.56 | file | sorphin: that's a good one |
| 08:49.53 | sorphin | you would ;p |
| 08:50.26 | file | mmm Jim, prpplague seems to be dead |
| 08:50.50 | sorphin | nah, he was just born that way |
| 08:51.10 | file | oh |
| 08:55.32 | CosmicPenguin | wow, its prpplague.... |
| 08:57.25 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no, it's memorex |
| 08:59.19 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats good |
| 09:00.49 | prpplague | file: just busy getting caught up |
| 09:01.07 | file | prpplague: I thought so |
| 09:12.59 | file | hi mallum |
| 09:17.35 | prpplague | anyone know of a utility that just returns the type and specs of an image file? |
| 09:17.47 | CosmicPenguin | GIMP? |
| 09:17.57 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh, he means something simple :P |
| 09:18.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: naw, something i can include in a shell script |
| 09:20.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the perl ImageMagick module will probably do what you want it to do |
| 09:20.32 | sjhill | hi prpplague |
| 09:20.34 | sjhill | lo' CosmicPenguin |
| 09:20.37 | sjhill | howdy sorphin |
| 09:20.42 | sorphin | sjhill: boo |
| 09:20.55 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not sure if any of the ImageMagick binaries do what you are thinking, but you could probably write your own with a minimum of trouble |
| 09:21.12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've been staying up all night working on Pixil just for you. You bailing on me again? |
| 09:21.14 | sorphin | sjhill: some guy's gonna try and get me, what you're bound by your employer not to get me :P |
| 09:21.20 | CosmicPenguin | sjhill: morning |
| 09:21.47 | sjhill | sorphin: cool...i expect a copy from you too :) |
| 09:22.10 | sorphin | heh, why? you could get it for yourself :P |
| 09:23.39 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: kernel |
| 09:25.04 | prpplague | sjhill: lo |
| 09:25.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: naw |
| 09:25.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just a little busy |
| 09:27.08 | file | little - ha |
| 09:32.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, the imagemagick module doesn't look very embeddable |
| 09:33.01 | prpplague | sjhill: whats cooking today? |
| 09:33.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hows the pixil stuff going btw? |
| 09:33.16 | sjhill | prpplague: begin implementing MIPS-3D multimedia instructions into GCC |
| 09:33.49 | prpplague | sjhill: fun |
| 09:34.02 | sjhill | prpplague: yup :) |
| 09:34.03 | prpplague | sjhill: sounds like more fun that i'm having :( |
| 09:34.33 | file | my real dad wants me to go down to Nova Scotia and spend Christmas with his family |
| 09:34.46 | file | even though I hate it down there, it's in the middle of nowhere - and your lucky to get a 36.6 stable modem connection |
| 09:35.20 | sjhill | file: sorphin wants you to spend Christmas with him? |
| 09:35.35 | file | hell no |
| 09:36.20 | sjhill | file: sorry, just kidding :) |
| 09:36.21 | sjhill | lol |
| 09:37.22 | file | dear me - look at all these neat gadgets... I wonder what this thing marked "TOUCH AND DIE" does... |
| 09:38.19 | file | ooh - tingling! |
| 09:43.37 | sorphin | sjhill: you're lucky i don't drive up to Iowa and kill you |
| 09:46.15 | sjhill | lol |
| 09:49.00 | sorphin | file is prpplagues |
| 09:49.02 | file | I finally got the IP address for my ADSL Modem :) |
| 09:55.07 | CosmicPenguin | hehe.... the latest message on the busybox mailing list was hilarious |
| 09:55.52 | file | clarify |
| 09:57.18 | CosmicPenguin | file: Its not up on the archive yet.... you have to read it to get the joke |
| 09:57.34 | file | CosmicPenguin: k |
| 11:24.43 | file | hi Russ at the evil place known as work |
| 11:24.53 | Russ|werk | morning |
| 11:26.09 | sorphin | Russ|werk: so much for giFT... |
| 11:41.11 | Russ|werk | hows that? |
| 11:55.27 | sorphin | Russ: i'm current with both cvs's (giFT and giFTcurs) and show 0 hosts |
| 11:55.59 | kergoth | sorphin: if you had a previous version, you may want to wipe your nodes file |
| 11:56.04 | kergoth | sorphin: read the FAQ on gift.sf.net |
| 11:58.45 | sorphin | heh |
| 11:58.50 | sorphin | it worked a few weeks ago ;p |
| 11:59.33 | kergoth | heh. gift is constantly changing |
| 12:01.52 | sorphin | too constantly |
| 12:02.11 | file | can't stop progress |
| 12:02.25 | sorphin | file: shush |
| 12:18.17 | sorphin | kergoth: btw.. they say "OpenFT".. i'm not using openFT that i know of |
| 12:19.28 | kergoth | sorphin: OpenFT is the main network that gift interfaces with.. |
| 12:19.33 | kergoth | sorphin: what network are you on then? |
| 12:19.57 | sorphin | well, then why the fuck do they pull this crap? |
| 12:20.07 | sorphin | Hey, giFT won't connect! (Before I updated it was fine) |
| 12:20.09 | sorphin | Aha, first of all, you mean OpenFT won't connect. |
| 12:33.44 | sorphin | heh |
| 12:33.52 | sorphin | 30 users online |
| 12:33.55 | sorphin | erm |
| 12:33.56 | sorphin | 40 |
| 12:34.00 | sorphin | and nothing shared |
| 12:34.13 | sorphin | this is as bad as my broken ass gnutella client |
| 12:35.21 | Russ|werk | sounds like you are on the wrong network or something |
| 12:35.33 | sorphin | i'm on the one i'd been using |
| 12:35.39 | sorphin | so unless THAT changed too |
| 12:37.19 | Russ|werk | nope, there are 40 users right now |
| 12:37.20 | Russ|werk | people need to upgrade |
| 12:37.21 | sorphin | apparently |
| 12:39.11 | Russ|werk | on average, users are sharing 8.3GB though |
| 12:40.11 | Russ|werk | why don't you want to share? |
| 12:40.30 | Russ|werk | giFT is capable of throddling |
| 12:40.34 | sorphin | umm |
| 12:40.39 | Russ|werk | I throddle my bandwidth to half my upstream |
| 12:40.49 | sorphin | my upstream is only 160k |
| 12:40.54 | Russ|werk | probably set up a queueng and such later |
| 12:41.00 | Russ|werk | mine is 256 |
| 12:41.07 | sorphin | and i don't keep giFT up all the time |
| 12:41.13 | sorphin | jus tto pull a file randomly |
| 12:41.19 | sorphin | so sharing would be pointless too |
| 12:41.29 | Russ|werk | so I set my upstream to max at 16kB/s |
| 12:43.22 | sorphin | 41 users |
| 12:43.31 | sorphin | no shared |
| 12:44.14 | sorphin | Total Shared: 0B 0 |
| 12:44.20 | sorphin | useless |
| 12:44.25 | file | oh my |
| 12:44.51 | sorphin | file: what's your malfunction? |
| 12:45.35 | file | nothing |
| 12:56.07 | Russ|werk | sorphin: what are you looking for anyway? |
| 12:56.37 | sorphin | Cheap Trick - Mighty Wings |
| 12:57.22 | Russ|werk | there is one copy of that on openfh |
| 12:57.26 | Russ|werk | er, openft |
| 12:58.44 | sorphin | nod |
| 12:58.57 | sorphin | well, since i can't even see any files on openft ;) |
| 13:00.12 | Russ|werk | did you do a search? |
| 13:00.35 | sorphin | umm |
| 13:01.30 | sorphin | heh, amazing, w/ 0 bytes shares, it finds that file |
| 13:01.36 | sorphin | but it's in the red |
| 13:01.47 | sorphin | and |
| 13:01.49 | sorphin | it's ogg |
| 13:01.55 | Russ|werk | don't like ogg? |
| 13:02.00 | file | but ogg is good |
| 13:02.12 | Russ|werk | I think giFTcurs might be a little behing on the interface protocol |
| 13:02.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin things that ogg is a crock |
| 13:02.29 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's one way of putting it |
| 13:02.29 | CosmicPenguin | cause it won't play on his l33t XP box |
| 13:02.36 | sorphin | my what? |
| 13:02.39 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: the codecs are easy to find |
| 13:02.58 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: go back to sleep jordan, you're being a fuckwuit |
| 13:02.58 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: I know this... I use ogg as much as possible |
| 13:03.08 | file | DUDE! |
| 13:03.22 | Russ|werk | wheres my car? |
| 13:03.56 | Russ|werk | interestingly enough, giFT will work on an XP box |
| 13:03.58 | file | in the parking lot ? |
| 13:04.05 | Russ|werk | no, my other car |
| 13:04.15 | file | parked somewhere? |
| 13:04.22 | Russ|werk | but where |
| 13:04.26 | file | somewhere! |
| 13:04.27 | sorphin | i don't like ogg because lessee.. a) the people that use it seem to be evanlelists for it, b) i don't feel like converting shit to yet another format, c) my hardware devices support mp3 :P |
| 13:05.09 | Russ|werk | a) people like it, too bad b) you don't have to convert, and its a bad idea anyway, since the quality gets screwed in a reconversion c) well, that sucks |
| 13:05.23 | file | I was right - this is season one of SG1 |
| 13:05.30 | file | episode number 110 |
| 13:05.31 | Russ|werk | no.... |
| 13:05.35 | Russ|werk | this is #tuxscreen |
| 13:05.59 | Russ|werk | I know they may look similar |
| 13:05.59 | sorphin | Russ: really? i thought this was oggusers of /. :P |
| 13:06.24 | Russ|werk | sorphin: I use both formats, but if I have a choice when I rip or download, I choose ogg |
| 13:06.41 | file | and... I'm gone! |
| 13:07.07 | sorphin | besides the fact that it's "open", give me a good reason why i should even *consider* ogg (ignoring that all the /. trolls just love it) |
| 13:07.45 | CosmicPenguin | whats so bad about handling both? |
| 13:09.11 | sorphin | heh, duplication |
| 13:09.15 | Russ|werk | better audio quality |
| 13:09.18 | sorphin | when i wanna play a song locally |
| 13:10.29 | sorphin | Russ|werk: uh huh.. gimme a size/bitrate comparison :P |
| 13:10.43 | Russ|werk | independant listening tests |
| 13:11.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:11.46 | sorphin | that's not what i was asking for ;) |
| 13:12.52 | file | Variable Bit Rate? |
| 13:12.54 | Russ|werk | do you know what bitrate means? |
| 13:13.09 | Russ|werk | at a fixed bitrate, *any* format will be the same size |
| 13:13.18 | Russ|werk | bitrate, bits per second |
| 13:13.51 | sorphin | you say 'better sound quality' |
| 13:14.21 | sorphin | well, you can get fairly good sound quality w/ 256k or 320k mp3.. |
| 13:14.36 | Russ|werk | but with ogg, you don't need to go that high |
| 13:14.39 | kergoth | sorphin: and you can get the same quality at a lower bitrate with vorbis |
| 13:15.57 | sorphin | to me, that's like comparing mpeg2 and divX :P |
| 13:16.25 | Russ|werk | the only reason to use mpeg2 is compatibility |
| 13:16.38 | sorphin | lemme guess.. you're a DivX lover too |
| 13:17.16 | Russ|werk | it makes smaller files, gives me a lot of options as to what quality I want to encode with |
| 13:17.59 | sorphin | there is such a thing and overdoing it ;) |
| 13:18.19 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin was the last guy on his block to move from tapes to CDs |
| 13:18.22 | Russ|werk | so...you don't want something better, simply because its better |
| 13:18.35 | Russ|werk | if it wasn't better, then you might consider it |
| 13:19.36 | sorphin | Russ: it's your opinion that it's better |
| 13:19.45 | Russ|werk | what, DivX/ |
| 13:19.47 | Russ|werk | ? |
| 13:19.52 | sorphin | and ogg |
| 13:19.58 | Russ|werk | the size differnce is pretty damned big with divx |
| 13:20.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: don't you have Pixil to break? |
| 13:20.25 | sorphin | Russ|werk: i've viewed divX movies before |
| 13:20.38 | sorphin | the quality was SHIT and the CPU overhead is outrageous |
| 13:20.56 | Russ|werk | ok, so its a low bitrate divx |
| 13:21.12 | Russ|werk | one can encode a 2 hour movie in sizes from 300M to 1.5GB |
| 13:21.31 | Russ|werk | anything above 1.5GB is basically wasted though |
| 13:22.35 | Russ|werk | thats a bummer when you are re-encoding a dvd to divx |
| 13:24.04 | Russ|werk | but the size of mpeg2 files is way too huge |
| 13:24.16 | sorphin | from my view.. you'd have to have hella pristine source to get a clean divX |
| 13:24.20 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:24.24 | sorphin | that's what dvds are for :P |
| 13:24.50 | CosmicPenguin | thats what CDs are for too |
| 13:24.54 | CosmicPenguin | Why encode your music then? |
| 13:25.04 | Russ|werk | with 800M video files, I can store a lot of movies on my computer |
| 13:26.19 | Russ|werk | oh, btw, might wings downloaded if you want it |
| 13:26.37 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i only use mp3 for local listening or using the soul player (fitting more music on the cd).. movies i only watch on my tv |
| 13:27.03 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: fortunately, the rest of the world doesn't think like you do |
| 13:27.07 | Russ|werk | hardware players will soon start coming standard with ogg |
| 13:27.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: frankly, i don't care what the rest of the world thinks like |
| 13:27.59 | sorphin | if they wanna watch a movie on a computer monitor, that's their perrogative, i'd rather watch on a nice big tv |
| 13:29.12 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, well, I would rather listen to music on a nice big stereo system |
| 13:30.22 | sorphin | i do, in my car :P |
| 13:30.33 | sorphin | however, while traveling, that's a bit hard to do |
| 13:31.15 | sorphin | as for listening to mp3s at the puter, the only time i listen to music while at home, is while AT the puter |
| 13:31.22 | sorphin | usually coding or such |
| 13:31.38 | CosmicPenguin | LIke I said, we're lucky you don't run the world, because everyone else things all this video stuff is pretty slick |
| 13:31.40 | sorphin | and since my stereo can't play mp3s :P |
| 13:31.47 | CosmicPenguin | s/things/thinks/ |
| 13:32.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh, if m ydvd player would play it, i'd like it too :P |
| 13:32.06 | sorphin | but since it can't |
| 13:32.32 | sorphin | and i'm not gonna be stuck in front of a 17" monitor watching a movie |
| 13:33.52 | sorphin | scanline: that's your choice |
| 13:34.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: and just how do you do that? run a cable over and have to control the movies from your machine? :P |
| 13:39.41 | sorphin | BZFlag: lo tim |
| 13:41.48 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: just wait - in a year you'll be telling everyone how cool it is to pirate movies off the web and see them on your TV, and somewhere I'll be laughing |
| 13:42.42 | sorphin | eh? |
| 13:42.59 | CosmicPenguin | Heck, I'll start right now.... |
| 13:42.59 | sorphin | "pirate movies off the web" ? |
| 13:43.04 | file | CosmicPenguin: he probably already does it with his TiVo |
| 13:43.37 | sorphin | file: no, i use my tivo as a hardware encoder to archive things i already own :P |
| 13:43.42 | sorphin | file: so piss off |
| 13:43.48 | sorphin | and MYOB |
| 13:44.06 | file | there's private messsaging for a reason... |
| 13:44.21 | sorphin | why should i have to private message? |
| 13:44.29 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: if you have 650 pounds lying around, you can buy one of these: http://www.cocom.co.uk/products/renegade2.htm |
| 13:44.31 | sorphin | you're sure not talking about anythign useful |
| 13:44.46 | sorphin | file: all you do is bug prpplague about that device that will never show up |
| 13:44.59 | CosmicPenguin | or one of these: http://www.cocom.co.uk/products/triedge.htm |
| 13:45.50 | sorphin | the latter i can see a use |
| 13:46.00 | sorphin | the 1st one i don't see a use in my context |
| 13:47.22 | CosmicPenguin | They both have the same engine |
| 13:47.35 | sorphin | only the 2nd one mentions decoding |
| 13:48.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 13:48.06 | sorphin | a geode |
| 13:48.23 | CosmicPenguin | No, its a Trimedia chip |
| 13:48.25 | CosmicPenguin | But close |
| 13:48.28 | sorphin | no |
| 13:48.33 | sorphin | Geode™ SC1200 x86 Processor |
| 13:48.39 | sorphin | that's what the 1st one has |
| 13:48.46 | sorphin | the 2nd one has the trimedia |
| 13:48.51 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the CPU, not the engine. Does the TiVo use its processor to handle video? |
| 13:49.01 | sorphin | read what i said |
| 13:49.10 | sorphin | the 1st ONE HAS NO TRIMEDIA |
| 13:49.14 | CosmicPenguin | I know what the thing runs, I've got one right now |
| 13:49.21 | sorphin | only the 2nd one does |
| 13:49.40 | sorphin | the renegade II has just the proc, no engine |
| 13:51.09 | sorphin | anyways, it's cute, but not worth the kinda $ they want |
| 13:51.26 | Russ|werk | I would much rather just roll my own, be a bit larger and take a bit more power |
| 13:52.07 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: oh, here's another issue :P |
| 13:52.21 | sorphin | i can go to store X and buy a dvd |
| 13:52.36 | sorphin | can i go to that store and by a DivX disc? what's that? i can't? |
| 13:53.01 | CosmicPenguin | what do you care? You steal all your music anyway, you might as well steal your video too |
| 13:53.04 | sorphin | no i don't |
| 13:53.05 | ade | divx is a rentable std is it not ? |
| 13:53.10 | sorphin | ade: no |
| 13:53.16 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i don't "steal all my music" |
| 13:53.18 | CosmicPenguin | ade: no, same name, different concept |
| 13:53.25 | sorphin | thanks |
| 13:53.56 | sorphin | but if i only need *1* song off a cd, OR i want something you can't go buy on cd |
| 13:53.59 | sorphin | i download it |
| 13:55.30 | file | oh no - evil ibot |
| 13:55.32 | sorphin | Russ|werk: interesting.. that faq page is a bit humorous |
| 13:55.39 | sorphin | "update daily" |
| 13:55.42 | sorphin | riiight |
| 13:55.54 | sorphin | like i even have time to update a damn client every day |
| 13:56.04 | sorphin | i might as well update my kernel daily |
| 13:56.10 | Russ|werk | I'll probably set up my debian buildd to make daily builds |
| 13:56.27 | ade | of ? |
| 13:56.33 | sorphin | giFT |
| 13:58.22 | sorphin | Russ: then you're more dedicated than most ;) |
| 13:58.39 | Russ|werk | I like to let things build automatically |
| 14:00.22 | sorphin | nod |
| 14:01.37 | sorphin | good |
| 14:01.40 | sorphin | you earned it |
| 14:02.05 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you are a funny person. As long as you're not my CTO, life will be good |
| 14:02.51 | sorphin | would never happen ;) |
| 14:03.16 | sorphin | and last i checked CTO was management, so.. |
| 14:03.35 | prpplague | speaking of CTO, whats the latest at lineo BZFlag ? |
| 14:04.06 | BZFlag | lineo? od they still exist? ;-) |
| 14:04.11 | sorphin | ;) |
| 14:04.11 | BZFlag | er do... |
| 14:04.21 | sorphin | BZFlag: btw, here's your latest reminder on the frames ;) |
| 14:04.41 | BZFlag | sorphin: thanx, not heard back from my latest pings. |
| 14:06.17 | sorphin | BZFlag: sometimes a large blunt object is effective ;) |
| 14:06.52 | kergoth | -rwxr-xr-x 1 kergoth src 441456 Nov 11 14:24 fuser |
| 14:06.53 | kergoth | egad |
| 14:07.21 | sorphin | and that is... |
| 14:07.27 | sorphin | a static binary ;) |
| 14:07.39 | kergoth | good call, yes it is |
| 14:07.55 | sorphin | hehehehe |
| 14:08.14 | sorphin | kergoth: he wants to work w/ you at digi when he grows up ;) |
| 14:08.24 | kergoth | he can have my job |
| 14:08.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:09.07 | sorphin | no he can't |
| 14:09.11 | sorphin | you sold your soul |
| 14:09.20 | sorphin | you can't ever *leave* digi ;) |
| 14:09.39 | sorphin | and speaking of selling your soul |
| 14:09.43 | sorphin | re sjhill |
| 14:09.46 | kergoth | hah |
| 14:09.48 | kergoth | hey sjhill |
| 14:09.53 | prpplague | BZFlag: lol, ya well, i've been out of touch for a few weeks |
| 14:10.00 | prpplague | BZFlag: guess thats a bad sign |
| 14:10.24 | sjhill | hey sorphin :) |
| 14:10.26 | sjhill | hi kergoth |
| 14:10.36 | sjhill | prpplague: were you in Mexico for a while? |
| 14:10.50 | sorphin | sjhill: never did answer why you'd need what i'd be geting since you can already get it for yourself :P |
| 14:12.58 | prpplague | sjhill: barbados, aruba and nassau |
| 14:13.15 | sorphin | yeah, prp was at all the vacation spots ;) |
| 14:13.19 | sorphin | claiming to be working ;) |
| 14:13.34 | prpplague | sjhill: don't feel bad, i only had 3 nights off in 4 weeks |
| 14:13.50 | sorphin | prpplague: the women worked you that hard eh? ;) |
| 14:14.33 | file | prpplague: bonjour |
| 14:15.38 | prpplague | sorphin: i wish |
| 14:16.31 | sorphin | basing what i know about vcd/svcd/dvd, this bitrate.. just looks wrong |
| 14:17.35 | prpplague | BZFlag: seriously whats the latest? |
| 14:20.32 | BZFlag | news should be public soon. |
| 14:20.38 | BZFlag | a week perhaps? |
| 14:20.40 | sorphin | uh oh |
| 14:21.08 | sorphin | "Lineo has been bought by RedHat for $.50" |
| 14:21.31 | sorphin | or worse |
| 14:21.36 | sorphin | bought by censoft :P |
| 14:21.56 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: you know, you act pretty smug since your employer is Worldcom |
| 14:22.07 | CosmicPenguin | The rest of us just get a paycheck too you know |
| 14:22.24 | sorphin | so you have no loyality to censoft ? |
| 14:23.13 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: do you know any engineers with loyalty to their employers? |
| 14:23.24 | sorphin | i do |
| 14:23.45 | sjhill | i'm very loyal, until the let me go |
| 14:23.50 | sjhill | s/the/they/ |
| 14:24.10 | sjhill | lol |
| 14:24.19 | sjhill | sorphin: just hedging my bets |
| 14:25.34 | sorphin | nono, the one i sent YOU |
| 14:28.09 | prpplague | BZFlag: you're not going to go "lilo" on us, are you? |
| 14:28.58 | sorphin | prpplague: nah, tim could never be as bad as lilo |
| 14:47.28 | br33zy | hehe |
| 14:47.48 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:47.51 | CosmicPenguin | or wait |
| 14:47.57 | sorphin | afternoon |
| 14:48.16 | CosmicPenguin | if it wasn't for sorphin, I wouldn't even know what time of day it is |
| 14:48.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: hmm.. maybe i will look at divX again.. a friend reminded me my damn xbox can plat it :P |
| 14:48.28 | br33zy | does anybody have one of these "tuxscreens" |
| 14:48.29 | br33zy | ? |
| 14:48.33 | sorphin | s/plat/play/ |
| 14:48.48 | sorphin | br33zy: um.. tell me you're not actually asking that |
| 14:48.49 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Whatever your philsophy, you gotta admint MPEG4 is pretty cool |
| 14:49.00 | br33zy | sorphin: i was j/k, duh... |
| 14:49.01 | br33zy | lol |
| 14:49.06 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yeah, i don't deny that its cool |
| 14:49.16 | br33zy | wow |
| 14:49.18 | br33zy | only 99 bucks? |
| 14:49.24 | br33zy | are they gonna have more? |
| 14:49.27 | sorphin | br33zy: and sold out |
| 14:49.28 | sorphin | no |
| 14:49.37 | br33zy | there not gonna make them anymore? |
| 14:49.41 | sorphin | umm |
| 14:49.43 | br33zy | or TimRiker.. |
| 14:49.50 | sorphin | the ones that were sold were surplus |
| 14:50.23 | CosmicPenguin | no more, ever again |
| 14:51.08 | br33zy | brb |
| 14:54.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: if i could work myself past this bitrate bit, i might have a chance :P |
| 14:54.54 | sorphin | so i'm a bit hard to convince that that bitrate would look good in divx |
| 14:55.45 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what bit rate? |
| 14:56.17 | sorphin | 1301kbps for example |
| 14:57.00 | sorphin | now... a damn vcd uses slightly les than that and generally looks like crap, SVCD uses 2500 and won't fit a decent movie on 1 cd |
| 14:57.25 | sorphin | this thing says that bitrate for a 134 min movie on 2 700M cds.. |
| 14:59.45 | sorphin | granted, i'd only be using it to archive all this VHS onto something more reliable |
| 15:00.06 | sorphin | since i do buy my movies :P |
| 15:01.42 | CosmicPenguin | Thats about right for MPEG4 style compression |
| 15:02.11 | CosmicPenguin | H.264 gets even better, coming in around 100Kbps for VHS quality, and about 250Kbps for DVD quality |
| 15:03.50 | CosmicPenguin | well, actually, I lied.... |
| 15:04.14 | CosmicPenguin | DVD quality is reported to be around 900Kbps, but I think that we have different ideas of what DVD quality means |
| 15:04.18 | sorphin | all my vhs is more svcd qual than vcd.. i've seen a vcd and well, my vhs kills it :P |
| 15:04.24 | CosmicPenguin | Especially since they say that MPEG2 "DVD" quality is 5.6 Mbps |
| 15:08.09 | kergoth | sorphin: good luck |
| 15:08.13 | sorphin | otherwise i might as well just muck it to a low class dvd |
| 15:08.41 | sorphin | kergoth: the originals may be VHD, but they don't suck for vhs |
| 15:09.59 | as_ | Evnin all. |
| 15:12.23 | sorphin | as_: lo |
| 15:28.45 | Russ|werk | wow, still talknig about all this |
| 15:30.02 | sorphin | Russ|werk: well, you weren't responding, so... |
| 19:25.00 | file | ooh la la |
| 21:36.02 | ][N-Flux | dirty? |
| 21:36.26 | sorphin | ][N-Flux: if you'd have seen any of the discussion earlier today, you'd understand :P |
| 21:36.32 | ][N-Flux | o.k. |
| 21:40.44 | ][N-Flux | wanna setup an nfs space for it |
| 21:40.53 | AeroSpace | I'm having really bad packet drops with ppp over the tuxscreen. Both of them that is. |
| 21:41.23 | sorphin | AeroSpace: overdriving the serial port can do that esp if there's no flow control |
| 21:43.49 | AeroSpace | What do you mean and what's the solution? I'm using, 'lock, local, lcp-echo-interval 300', hide-password, crtscts, 115200' in the ppp options file. |
| 21:44.53 | sorphin | is the cable you're using wired for hardware flow control? |
| 21:46.02 | AeroSpace | Yes, each tux has its own null modem cable. The errors are pratically only on receiving on the tuxscreen size, receiving on the host system is fine. |
| 21:46.44 | sorphin | that's not what i asked. |
| 21:47.10 | sorphin | is the cable you're using wired for hardware flow control? <--- aka the RTS and CTS lines are wired |
| 21:47.26 | sorphin | try dropping your speed to 57600 and see if it changes how bad it drops |
| 21:48.18 | kergoth | hey sorphin |
| 21:48.19 | sorphin | if it reduces the errors, then either flow control isn't working, the ports on the tux can't handle 115200 very well (the ports on a tivo can't for example), or you're using junky cables |
| 21:48.25 | sorphin | kergoth: sup digiwhore |
| 21:48.28 | kergoth | nada |
| 21:48.40 | AeroSpace | I tried 57600, but I didn't see a difference. I mean I didn't calculate out if it was the saw percentage, but it felt the same. |
| 21:48.55 | sorphin | kergoth: ][N-Flux doesn't understand the whole ogg+dirty reference i made.. heh |
| 21:49.16 | ][N-Flux | :P |
| 21:49.25 | kergoth | AeroSpace: monitor the flow control signals with statserial. see if cts/rts (depending on context) raise and drop as data transfers |
| 21:49.36 | kergoth | AeroSpace: good basic test to see if flow control is happening |
| 21:49.37 | sorphin | right, that was my next call ;) |
| 21:49.38 | kergoth | sorphin: hah |
| 21:49.39 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:50.20 | sorphin | seeing as digi is good at creating serial errors ;) |
| 21:50.42 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:51.14 | sorphin | kergoth: like you even need to ;) |
| 21:51.27 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:51.31 | sorphin | heh, they have some devices at work |
| 21:51.34 | sorphin | called "frame savers" |
| 21:51.38 | sorphin | more like frame droppers |
| 21:52.33 | AeroSpace | Digi as in Digi international? Minnetonka |
| 21:52.42 | kergoth | AeroSpace: yep |
| 21:52.53 | sorphin | yup, that'd be them |
| 21:53.12 | sorphin | makers of decent ether tranceivers, the old digiboard, and many other evil devices |
| 21:53.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:54.02 | sorphin | ya know |
| 21:54.06 | sorphin | listening to this ogg |
| 21:54.15 | AeroSpace | How has things been going since last September after the layoffs? |
| 21:54.19 | sorphin | my ears are acute as hell, and i don't hear a diff between this and an mp3 |
| 21:55.44 | kergoth | AeroSpace: lets just say morale is down. they just laid off 21 more people |
| 21:56.08 | sorphin | kergoth: sjhill may be on the chopping block soon |
| 21:56.22 | kergoth | sorphin: really? that sucks.. i hadnt heard |
| 21:56.31 | sorphin | he told me earlier |
| 21:56.39 | sorphin | broadcom's planning on trimming some |
| 21:56.48 | sorphin | he's not sure if he'll get cut or not tho |
| 21:57.17 | sorphin | i actually wish they would lay me off, so i can get my severance and find something else (have incentive to) |
| 21:57.23 | sorphin | but alas, they won't |
| 21:57.35 | AeroSpace | kergoth: What do you do there? The name sounds familair, but I can't place it. |
| 21:57.49 | AeroSpace | What about Kurt Erickson, or James Puzzo? |
| 21:58.03 | kergoth | AeroSpace: I work in unix tech support. Kurt and James I know well. |
| 21:58.09 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:58.23 | kergoth | i'm one of the guys that talks to the customer, so they dont have to |
| 21:58.26 | kergoth | to quote office space |
| 21:58.27 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:59.04 | sorphin | kergoth: you're like that guy that passes stuff on to the developers ;) |
| 21:59.22 | kergoth | sorphin: something like that :) |
| 21:59.31 | sorphin | aka |
| 21:59.31 | AeroSpace | Sorry but trying to type in xchat being displayed over the serial port to the tuxscreen just wasn't useable. |
| 21:59.33 | sorphin | redundant ;) |
| 22:00.00 | kergoth | sorphin: HEY! I HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS! |
| 22:00.08 | kergoth | </office space moment> |
| 22:00.25 | sorphin | watch, next you'll try and esphixate yourself in the garage right? |
| 22:00.39 | kergoth | haha, no thanks |
| 22:00.51 | kergoth | and there isnt going to be some fat chick that makes me want to live either |
| 22:00.54 | sorphin | and make some lame board game |
| 22:01.11 | kergoth | its a .. jump to conclusions mat! get it .. you jump ... to conclusions! |
| 22:01.21 | sorphin | kergoth: there's not? then who's that chick's picture on your desk? |
| 22:01.30 | sorphin | ;) |
| 22:01.41 | kergoth | nice try, i threw my ex's picture away |
| 22:01.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:01.44 | AeroSpace | kergoth: Were you the guy who gave me the error report where they would print a buch of stuff to the screen and it would pause until you pressed a key, but it shouldn't have? |
| 22:01.46 | kergoth | but she was 95lbs anyway |
| 22:01.47 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:02.09 | sorphin | kergoth: and how tall? |
| 22:02.33 | kergoth | AeroSpace: who knows. could be. we had a 'pause' bug in data flow bug with epca that prpplague and abcs helped us nail down. the 4001450R rev of the driver fixes it |
| 22:02.53 | kergoth | sorphin: 4'3" or so. |
| 22:02.58 | kergoth | something like that |
| 22:03.00 | sorphin | umm |
| 22:03.06 | kergoth | you know, i barely remember my ex's height |
| 22:03.07 | kergoth | wow |
| 22:03.11 | sorphin | what was she? 12? :P |
| 22:03.11 | kergoth | i think i'm ready to move on |
| 22:03.17 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:03.19 | kergoth | sorphin: haha, no |
| 22:03.23 | kergoth | sorphin: just short, and small |
| 22:03.27 | kergoth | and flexible |
| 22:03.36 | sorphin | the shortest check i've known was 4'10" |
| 22:03.41 | sorphin | s/check/chick/ |
| 22:03.48 | kergoth | er |
| 22:03.59 | kergoth | god i need another drink |
| 22:04.05 | sorphin | would a mike's do? |
| 22:04.06 | AeroSpace | Actually the bug I was thinking about I fixed, last, summer/fall. |
| 22:04.07 | kergoth | she wasnt 4'3", she was 5'3" |
| 22:04.11 | kergoth | yes, a mike's would definately do |
| 22:04.30 | sorphin | and a 24oz smirnoff |
| 22:04.35 | sorphin | one of the big bottles |
| 22:04.42 | sorphin | or is it 32oz |
| 22:04.43 | sorphin | i forget |
| 22:05.03 | sorphin | which keeps reminding me.. i need to drink that damn wine |
| 22:06.13 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:06.27 | kergoth | though i just polished off a 1.75L smirnoff myself |
| 22:07.14 | sorphin | it never bitched about no ident before |
| 22:07.17 | kergoth | ever have any luck with gift? |
| 22:07.23 | sorphin | ah there |
| 22:07.24 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:07.29 | sorphin | yeah, that's how i snagged the .ogg |
| 22:07.35 | sorphin | the stats are still wrong |
| 22:07.36 | sorphin | tho |
| 22:07.49 | [sorphin] | muhhahahaha |
| 22:07.51 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:07.53 | kergoth | but it works? |
| 22:07.56 | sorphin | yeah |
| 22:08.13 | kergoth | cool cool |
| 22:08.29 | [sorphin] | all digi whores must.... be sacrificed to the digi gods *smirk* |
| 22:08.57 | kergoth | noooo |
| 22:09.01 | kergoth | then i'll go to digihell |
| 22:09.11 | kergoth | though that cant be much worse than life at digi |
| 22:09.13 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:09.17 | kergoth | n/m |
| 22:09.17 | kergoth | ;) |
| 22:09.24 | AeroSpace | kergoth: I was on Linux device drivers there last year. Too bad things were having problems. |
| 22:09.57 | kergoth | AeroSpace: who are you again? |
| 22:10.03 | AeroSpace | David Fries |
| 22:10.09 | kergoth | oh hey, i remember you |
| 22:10.14 | kergoth | i'm chris larson, the main linux guy in support |
| 22:10.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:10.30 | sorphin | kergoth: he (according to his hostmask) is local to me :P |
| 22:10.39 | sorphin | or atleast in the same state |
| 22:10.49 | AeroSpace | IRC had your name, but I guess mine doesn't give anymore than just 'david'. |
| 22:10.56 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:10.57 | sorphin | it doesn't |
| 22:11.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:11.08 | sorphin | | AeroSpace (~david@winch-as2-29.win.ORG) (Internic Non-Profit Organization) |
| 22:11.08 | sorphin | : ircname : david |
| 22:11.20 | AeroSpace | St. Peters. |
| 22:11.24 | sorphin | yup |
| 22:11.28 | sorphin | Florissant here |
| 22:11.49 | sorphin | work out in weldon spring |
| 22:12.53 | AeroSpace | I need another job. I had one since Digi, but it didn't work out. |
| 22:12.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:13.04 | sorphin | you can have my job at worldcom :P |
| 22:13.19 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:13.22 | kergoth | you're so generous |
| 22:13.34 | sorphin | hey, it's a job w/ a check |
| 22:13.35 | AeroSpace | James Puzzo at Digi was really nice to work with and my manager at HP was great also, but the last one just didn't work. |
| 22:13.44 | sorphin | not much of one since no one can get their raises yet, but still |
| 22:13.55 | kergoth | James is a nice guy, digi drains him for everything they can get out of him |
| 22:13.58 | kergoth | its unfortunate |
| 22:14.03 | kergoth | they're going to burn him out, then he'll book |
| 22:14.04 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:14.06 | sorphin | kergoth: welcome to corporate life |
| 22:14.07 | kergoth | idiots |
| 22:14.12 | kergoth | sorphin: no kidding. |
| 22:14.17 | sorphin | wcom's doin that to me daily |
| 22:14.37 | sorphin | i burnt out back in 96, that's why i left AT&T and the ISP, tho i wish i hadn't bailed on the isp |
| 22:14.42 | AeroSpace | He's expected to keep up with all the bugs and he's got how many people left on Unix development? |
| 22:14.53 | kergoth | AeroSpace: oh you gotta hear this |
| 22:14.56 | kergoth | AeroSpace: james is going to firmware |
| 22:15.02 | kergoth | AeroSpace: we have *ONE* unix engineer |
| 22:15.04 | kergoth | AeroSpace: *ONE*! |
| 22:15.18 | AeroSpace | Who's that? Do I know him? |
| 22:15.24 | sorphin | kergoth ;) |
| 22:15.26 | kergoth | dunno, they canned him, then hired him back |
| 22:15.29 | kergoth | Scott Kilau |
| 22:15.33 | kergoth | he used to work in support |
| 22:15.35 | AeroSpace | Kurt had moved to firmware when I left. |
| 22:15.47 | kergoth | yeah, he's still in firmware, now james in joining him |
| 22:16.06 | AeroSpace | Kergoth, just mention my name he'll remember me. I'm glad he got a job again. |
| 22:16.22 | AeroSpace | kergoth: we shared cube walls |
| 22:16.46 | kergoth | AeroSpace: ahh didnt realize :) he's got some job security now, being the only unix engineer.. and they've got him donig windows development too now |
| 22:16.52 | kergoth | digi, cheap bastards |
| 22:17.21 | kergoth | they'd have me writing drivers from support by now if i hadnt told them (not in so many words) to fuck off until they can bring the $$$ |
| 22:17.32 | AeroSpace | Impressive. When did he get hired again? Must have been sometime this year. |
| 22:18.24 | kergoth | sometime this year.. yeah, thats about all i can remember. my sense of time is a bit off at best. no idea exactly. |
| 22:18.25 | AeroSpace | I don't know how much anyone else was getting paid, but I thought I was doing just fine. |
| 22:18.28 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:19.11 | kergoth | as a tech support guy, i thought you were doing fine. shit you fixed that damn select bug, where you login, then telnet out, and it'd hang |
| 22:19.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:19.48 | AeroSpace | He and I got layed off the same time. Digi announced the quarter earnings last September and Scott correctly predicted the layoffs. |
| 22:21.12 | AeroSpace | I fixed a couple bugs. A few of them I was mostly convinced it couldn't happen, but it was and I would eventually get them. |
| 22:33.06 | sorphin | ah yes.. cameron diaz |
| 22:33.45 | kergoth | sorphin: whatcha watchin? |
| 22:33.56 | sorphin | the mask is on in the background on TBS |
| 22:34.01 | kergoth | ahh gotcha |
| 22:34.15 | kergoth | watched charlie's angels the other night |
| 22:35.30 | sorphin | deep impact, edward scissorhands, mimic 2, fast times at ridgemont high, the hunt for red october, and what women want.. heh |
| 22:35.51 | kergoth | nice variety there |
| 22:35.54 | sorphin | eventually i'll check out the 2 disc gladiator (supposed to have some extra shit) |
| 22:36.07 | kergoth | gladiator is a damn good movie, i own that 2 disc dvd |
| 22:36.12 | LIM | I can't wait for my extended lotr |
| 22:36.21 | kergoth | LIM: yes, gotta buy that |
| 22:36.36 | LIM | I preordered ;) |
| 22:38.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:38.42 | sorphin | but the movie previews just didn't do it for me |
| 22:39.01 | kergoth | the books are still amazing. the movie was good, but nothing like the book |
| 22:39.02 | kergoth | s |
| 22:40.25 | kergoth | HP? |
| 22:40.37 | sorphin | potter |
| 22:40.42 | kergoth | ah yeah |
| 22:40.52 | kergoth | the HP movie was a lot better than i expected |
| 22:41.07 | sorphin | dunno how the other's will be now tho, w/ the old guy kickin the bucket |
| 22:45.24 | sorphin | lo tim |