| 00:15:50 | jacques | hello |
| 00:20:04 | as_ | Hi jacques. |
| 00:44:32 | | jacques: Something failed in connecting to the NOAA web server. Try again later. |
| 00:44:32 | jacques | ibot: weather ksjc |
| 00:44:32 | jacques | yeah yah |
| 00:52:45 | | everybody is, like, sleeping like little babies |
| 00:52:45 | jacques | ibot: where is everybody? |
| 00:52:52 | jacques | :- |
| 00:52:54 | jacques | :-\ |
| 01:09:29 | andersee | is back (gone 02:24:11) |
| 01:17:43 | Sammy | Hi All |
| 02:58:06 | jacques | crap does links actuall not do authentication???? |
| 03:02:47 | jacques | so sourceforge has started directing all downloads to mirrors |
| 04:07:47 | BZFlag | tries to resurrect dq |
| 04:14:34 | andersee | /me feels sad for a moment |
| 04:14:43 | andersee | the feeling passes |
| 04:18:42 | BZFlag | heh |
| 04:19:09 | BZFlag | you read ?lb???t?h written here on the floor |
| 04:24:32 | andersee | You hear someone cursing shoplifters |
| 04:24:32 | andersee | walks off with 4 phones |
| 04:24:32 | BZFlag | misses andersee |
| 04:25:02 | BZFlag | looks mostly alive again. |
| 04:25:26 | andersee | quaffs a turquoise potion, and feels MUCH better! |
| 04:25:44 | andersee | Was it indeed libpthread? |
| 04:26:04 | BZFlag | yeah. rtc.o is not loading, and looks like pthreads wants it. |
| 04:26:17 | BZFlag | so really it's the kernel, but it's pthreads that dies. |
| 04:26:26 | andersee | Ahh |
| 04:26:47 | andersee | I wonder if that updated mips kernel source from sgi might be in better shape? |
| 04:27:42 | BZFlag | yeah, 2.4.17 is the next one I'll try. |
| 04:41:36 | BZFlag | andersee: well it's as alive as it's ever been. hack on. |
| 04:41:46 | BZFlag | feel free to build me a new kernel ;-) |
| 05:38:24 | pmisfit | is back (gone 23:59:47) |
| 05:38:48 | pmisfit | does happy dance |
| 05:39:00 | pmisfit | ok well pppd runs, using ttySA1 |
| 05:39:56 | pmisfit | i know it's been compiled before, but not sure if anyone actually tried to USE it. confirming for the record: it works. |
| 05:40:41 | pmisfit | jacques: hey i had an idea on how to workaround oomkiller. check irc logs, or let me know email, i'll send patch. |
| 05:41:01 | pmisfit | is tired, so speaks in me tarzan you jane |
| 05:41:47 | pmisfit | gets BATT_LOW warning from his body |
| 05:42:52 | pmisfit | is away: going into hibernation mode.... resume timer set for tomorrow morning.... |
| 06:44:37 | BZFlag | andersee: you round? dq has sshd and apache in inetd.conf, /dev/hda in dma mode now, should be a bit faster for builds now. |
| 06:57:16 | andersee | BZFlag: yup, I'm still here... |
| 06:57:32 | andersee | I'll give it a try in a few |
| 06:58:32 | andersee | BZFlag: thx |
| 08:27:38 | fontenot | my god qt3 is HUGE |
| 08:27:53 | fontenot | the compressed source is almost 15MB |
| 08:28:33 | fontenot | and their ftp site sucks ass |
| 08:31:43 | fontenot | au mirror is 3x faster than the US one |
| 12:23:39 | file | g'day |
| 12:23:46 | ctr | y0 |
| 12:24:20 | file | waddup? |
| 12:25:16 | ctr | not much |
| 12:26:03 | file | 9:30am.... |
| 12:44:31 | sjhill | anyone awake? |
| 12:44:55 | file | me of course |
| 12:54:23 | file | hi Morn |
| 12:54:59 | Morn | hi |
| 12:55:01 | Morn | can someone tell me why XP is more stable on this box than linux? it doesn't make sense |
| 12:56:51 | file | your hallucinating |
| 12:57:09 | Morn | I wish I was |
| 12:57:16 | file | you are |
| 12:57:22 | file | fills Morn up with drugs |
| 12:57:26 | Morn | I can't keep this box up more than 3 hours at a time |
| 12:57:34 | file | why? |
| 12:57:45 | Morn | it keeps locking up |
| 12:57:53 | Morn | I thought it was just the AGP/AMD bug |
| 12:57:57 | Morn | it appears to be more |
| 12:58:00 | file | uh oh |
| 12:58:38 | Morn | if I run glxgears I can crash it in 30 seconds |
| 12:58:44 | file | :( |
| 13:16:28 | fontenot | hi TomW |
| 13:36:12 | TomW | fontenot: Good morning. I have some classical music on this morning, so I didn't hear you "beep". |
| 13:45:25 | fontenot | np im playing with my new scanner |
| 13:51:37 | TomW | I am looking to do something like an initrd on the Tux. Maybe.. I need to build up a module that I can use to control the IDE drive. Do you know anything about modules? Do I need to keep recompiling the kernel so that the versions match, or can I just "make modules", Zmodem the new on over to the Tux and do an "insmod" to test it (using the same Tux kernel each time)? |
| 13:52:46 | fontenot | that should work |
| 13:53:15 | fontenot | sometimes they even work between different kernel versions - it depends on if the interface they use is changed |
| 13:53:45 | TomW | ... 'cause the kernel versions itself, the module will pick up on the same version number (from the Symbols file) and the kernel would accept it? |
| 13:54:43 | TomW | I have done kernel drivers under uClinux, but those drivers were integrated into the kernel, the insmod didn't work (at that time) with the uClinux kernel, so I am not sure about modules details. |
| 13:54:47 | fontenot | something like that - I;m not sure |
| 13:55:13 | fontenot | i know you can build the kernel to be more or less strict about module versioning |
| 13:55:17 | TomW | ok, I'll give it a try. I cannot get Familiar / pivot_root to work for me. |
| 14:35:06 | CosmicPenguin | Morning |
| 14:35:14 | CosmicPenguin | Anyone here still using a Mr Flash CF? |
| 14:36:15 | TomW | Mr? |
| 14:51:38 | CosmicPenguin | I kid you not - Mr. Flash |
| 14:59:35 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: no, I am using Lexar here.. |
| 15:19:07 | Morn | I think my linux box may be a little more stable now |
| 15:19:12 | Morn | and I can stop complaining |
| 15:30:32 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: I have 3 Mr. Flash 64M CF cards on is in my CerfCube with a web site on it. I have 2 I use with my iPaq, one for WinCE one dual boot WinCE/Linux ext3. no problems to date. |
| 15:30:52 | GPSFan | s/on/one |
| 15:31:15 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: Oh, thanks.... we actually dug one up around here. |
| 15:31:33 | CosmicPenguin | We had a client that was trying to use our image on it, and I had to dig up the disk geometry |
| 15:31:41 | GPSFan | I also hear that they have a Mr. Fusion device comming out RSN ;>) |
| 15:33:01 | CosmicPenguin | GPSFan: Isn't that a few more years in the future? IIRC, Dr. Brown went 40 or 50 years beyond 1985, so we're looking at 2015 before we see Mr Fusion... :) |
| 15:33:15 | CosmicPenguin | Not that I'm not excited about it... :) |
| 15:34:51 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: the way most marketing types use RSN 2015 is just around the corner :-) |
| 16:06:16 | scanline | is away: poof... and he's gone |
| 16:15:57 | TomW | anyone using the new jffs kernel? I cannot seem to get pcmcia working.. |
| 16:40:16 | TomW | I surrender, that new jffs2 kernel doesn't look promising. I am going back to the other kernel & blob for now. |
| 17:39:48 | mallum | hi |
| 17:42:33 | CosmicPenguin | hello mallum - hows matchbox these days? |
| 17:42:55 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: good good |
| 20:13:40 | | andersee was last seen on #tuxscreen 13 hours, 15 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: BZFlag: thx [Tue May 7 07:58:32 2002] |
| 20:13:40 | sjhill | ibot: seen andersee |
| 22:06:43 | DarkDream | hello :) |
| 22:06:53 | DarkDream | I can't believe what I've seen |
| 22:07:06 | DarkDream | BZFlag: are u crazy ? :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 22:09:02 | DarkDream | Who use that TuxScreen ? |
| 22:09:38 | prpplague | DarkDream: lots of ppl do, but mainly for education and development |
| 22:09:59 | DarkDream | Nice to meet u prpplague |
| 22:10:55 | DarkDream | I'm from belgium what is the jtag ? |
| 22:13:13 | prpplague | DarkDream: http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/Main/jtag |
| 22:13:49 | DarkDream | Is it possible to use xwindow on it ? |
| 22:14:13 | DarkDream | possible to upgrade the memory ? |
| 22:14:17 | DarkDream | sorry to annoy u :) |
| 22:15:57 | prpplague | DarkDream: the memory upgrades are limited at this point |
| 22:16:11 | prpplague | DarkDream: x will run on the unit |
| 22:16:25 | prpplague | DarkDream: as well as many other gui's |
| 22:16:46 | | kde is somewhat sluggish on a 32Mb iPAQ... totally untested on a 64 so far |
| 22:16:46 | DarkDream | kde ? |
| 22:17:47 | DarkDream | There is no hard disk |
| 22:17:49 | DarkDream | But |
| 22:17:59 | DarkDream | If the pcmcia slot works |
| 22:18:04 | DarkDream | I've an idea ;) |
| 22:18:48 | prpplague | DarkDream: you anywhere near the Chimay Abbey? lol |
| 22:18:54 | DarkDream | You can use memorystick from sony into a pcmcia card adapter |
| 22:19:04 | DarkDream | And in few years |
| 22:19:14 | mallum | DarkDream: I think you should spend some time browsing the wiki, you'll find most answers there ... |
| 22:19:18 | DarkDream | Sony will provide memorystick of 1 GB or even more |
| 22:19:34 | mallum | DarkDream: CF cards are better and cheaper |
| 22:19:39 | prpplague | DarkDream: sony is not very linux friendly when it comes to the memory stick |
| 22:20:03 | prpplague | DarkDream: if you check ok the wiki, many options for data storage are available |
| 22:20:05 | DarkDream | prpplague: I often use memory stick on linux :) |
| 22:20:26 | DarkDream | Are u BZFlag ? |
| 22:20:48 | prpplague | DarkDream: no |
| 22:21:15 | DarkDream | Is it complicate to install all ? |
| 22:21:29 | prpplague | DarkDream: i didn't say you could not use them, i just said sony was not friendly, why support someone with your wallet when they don't help you? |
| 22:21:55 | DarkDream | prpplague: are u ready ? :) |
| 22:22:06 | prpplague | DarkDream: there are complete instructions on the wiki step-by-step, as well as docs on my experimetns |
| 22:22:08 | DarkDream | I work for Sony lol :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 22:22:41 | DarkDream | But CF cards are better that's right mallum |
| 22:22:50 | prpplague | DarkDream: well your one up on the rest of the linux community on linux support for the memory stick |
| 22:23:12 | DarkDream | prpplague: I use the memorystick from work |
| 22:23:23 | DarkDream | I'm not crazy. i'm a poor boyyyyyyyyy |
| 22:23:25 | DarkDream | :) |
| 22:23:56 | DarkDream | So it's possible to install window maker |
| 22:24:08 | DarkDream | no tweat for the memory ? |
| 22:24:10 | DarkDream | tweak |
| 22:24:38 | DarkDream | possible to connect also a gps on the serial port ? |
| 22:25:36 | prpplague | DarkDream: it is possible to install a window manager such as icewm, or one like mallum's matchbox which designed for embedded/low resource enviroments |
| 22:27:02 | DarkDream | Maybe I will put it on my car :) http://www.kraftvoll.at/software/ |
| 22:28:54 | DarkDream | I'm far of Chimay but it's in my country. You like it ? |
| 22:54:49 | prpplague | DarkDream: one of my favorites |
| 22:55:42 | DarkDream | U are from USA ? |
| 22:56:05 | DarkDream | There are chimay ? :) |
| 22:57:19 | sjm | waves good morning |
| 23:00:10 | prpplague | sjm: Morning |
| 23:00:24 | prpplague | DarkDream: yes |
| 23:01:00 | Aelhaz | I wouldn't say icewm is designed for environments with limited resources, just that it stays out of your way and does it's job quietly. |
| 23:02:13 | Aelhaz | if Gnome or KDE could provide me with the sort of ease of function that I got from Object Desktop 1.5 on OS/2, I'd switch to them in a heartbeat. But unfortunately, all they are is gibbering masses of squishy bits all over the screen, eating up oodles of megabytes of ram |
| 23:03:15 | Aelhaz | all these "desktop environments" for X are really just collections of gargoyles for your entertainment |
| 23:03:59 | Aelhaz | I've never found them to be entertaining |
| 23:04:48 | Aelhaz | (Did i mention i use icewm on all the systems I've ever run which had XWindows?) |
| 23:07:03 | DarkDream | SO |
| 23:07:12 | DarkDream | I will use icewm ;) |
| 23:07:25 | DarkDream | But windowmaker is a light wm no ? |
| 23:08:48 | Aelhaz | I guess so |
| 23:09:17 | Aelhaz | I don't have any problems with windowmaker other than the espoused design philosophies of it's authors |
| 23:09:19 | prpplague | Aelhaz: lol, we i like the fact that i can configure icewm easily for the screen |
| 23:11:35 | Aelhaz | it's the "feel is more important than look" window manager |
| 23:12:17 | Aelhaz | intuitive defaults that you can change, keyboard hotkeys that do useful things, etc |
| 23:13:56 | mallum | Aelhaz: I like blackbox, but Im now using metacity |
| 23:14:09 | Aelhaz | never heard of metacity |
| 23:14:28 | Aelhaz | i used blackbox for about 5 minutes in 1999, and it annoyed the hell out of me |
| 23:14:44 | mallum | Aelhaz: http://cvs.gnome.org/lxr/source/metacity/README |
| 23:14:52 | Aelhaz | so i don't have a developed opinion of it, other than that it's default look/feel was extremely repulsive for me three years ago |
| 23:15:00 | mallum | Aelhaz: it dont need gnome though .. |
| 23:15:13 | mallum | Aelhaz: yes, you need to bend it around a bit to make it nice |
| 23:15:21 | mallum | Aelhaz: I liked it cos its very snappy |
| 23:15:43 | mallum | Aelhaz: now there is fluxbox and openbox which are both forks / improvements |
| 23:17:32 | Aelhaz | The problem i saw with a lot of the more logic-driven WMs, like blackbox, windowmaker, etc, was that typically the designers seemed to have espoused a rigid set of logic and then stuck with it no matter how much it made something suck |
| 23:17:58 | mallum | Aelhaz: say hello to the ICCCM :) |
| 23:18:09 | Aelhaz | i remember with blackbox there was some issue with hotkeys |
| 23:18:24 | mallum | yeah I used bbkeys to make it work |
| 23:18:39 | Aelhaz | but i remember something about blackbox hotkeys not working when netscape had focus |
| 23:18:53 | Aelhaz | because maybe some of the netscape hotkeys conflicted with blackbox or something |
| 23:19:03 | mallum | Aelhaz: hmm, I never experienced that |
| 23:19:22 | Aelhaz | so i had to give the root window focus before i could switch to another desktop, or something |
| 23:19:25 | Aelhaz | annoyed the hell out of me |
| 23:19:54 | mallum | Aelhaz: yeah that would piss me off |
| 23:19:54 | BZFlag | drops in |
| 23:20:00 | BZFlag | DarkDream: what's up? |
| 23:20:18 | mallum | Aelhaz: what WM do you use now ? |
| 23:20:25 | Aelhaz | in icewm, the window manager always gets the key binding, unless scroll lock is on, and then the app with focus gets it |
| 23:20:29 | DarkDream | BZFlag: first, you are crazy ! :) |
| 23:20:31 | Aelhaz | mallum: ice |
| 23:21:15 | Aelhaz | and with icewm, all the hard-coded keys can be disabled, and you can define as many new ones as you like. so if there's some conflict, you can change the wm |
| 23:21:28 | mallum | Aelhaz: yeah I wanna try that on my dual head box upstairs |
| 23:21:35 | Aelhaz | so all the wm hotkeys work at the same time that nearly all the app hotkeys work |
| 23:21:51 | Aelhaz | best of both worlds, i think |
| 23:21:58 | BZFlag | DarkDream: why? cause they are so cheap? heh. |
| 23:22:37 | mallum | Aelhaz: WM's are a pain to write |
| 23:22:45 | mallum | Aelhaz: a real experience |
| 23:23:24 | Aelhaz | I haven't used windowmaker since '98, but i recall that the first thing that annoyed me was that it doesn't obey window manager hints in a client's properties |
| 23:23:39 | Aelhaz | and the second thing that annoyed me was that the authors defended this as a feature |
| 23:24:22 | Aelhaz | if an x client has the hint for "no title bar", then dammit, it shouldn't have a title bar unless i went out of my way to make sure it does |
| 23:24:28 | Aelhaz | not the other way around |
| 23:24:54 | mallum | Aelhaz: yeah but there is no 'standard' hint for no title bar |
| 23:25:07 | mallum | Aelhaz: most wm's pick up old motif hints |
| 23:25:10 | mallum | mwm |
| 23:25:17 | Aelhaz | mallum: there are various sets, tho, mostly the motif hints |
| 23:25:27 | Aelhaz | what's wrong with trying to support them? |
| 23:25:34 | mallum | Aelhaz: nothing |
| 23:25:38 | DarkDream | Sleep time :) |
| 23:25:41 | DarkDream | Bye ;) |
| 23:25:46 | Aelhaz | mallum: but the window maker project leader had a problem with them, aparantly |
| 23:26:06 | mallum | Aelhaz: maybe they were just trying to force a better standard |
| 23:26:18 | mallum | Aelhaz: freedesktop.org is trying to do exactly this |
| 23:26:23 | Aelhaz | The third thing that annoyed me about window maker was an essay the project leader at the time had written on how forcing a standard is more important than ease of use |
| 23:26:47 | Aelhaz | he explained, in detail, how, in the end, it's better for the user if apps don't have menu bars |
| 23:26:52 | Aelhaz | even tho users like them and expect them |
| 23:27:17 | Aelhaz | that, according to his well-thought-out rules, it should have a "menu" icon that fans out into sub-menus with tearoffs |
| 23:27:25 | Aelhaz | and he admitted that people will hate this |
| 23:27:37 | Aelhaz | but argued extensively that it's the way things should be, Anyway, Just Because |
| 23:27:39 | mallum | wm supported dockapps though and the way they work is very non standard ( and stupid IMHO ) |
| 23:28:08 | Aelhaz | yeah, the dockapps are silly at best |
| 23:29:12 | mallum | Aelhaz: any new work as yet ? |
| 23:29:37 | Aelhaz | mallum: No |
| 23:30:05 | Aelhaz | mallum: TimeSys has been bothering me to respond to an email survey they sent me, but everything about them is telling me that i don't want to work for them |
| 23:30:27 | Aelhaz | It would be nice to work for another linux company, especially another embedded linux company |
| 23:31:02 | Aelhaz | but don't want to relocate to the east coast to work for a company that, from the looks of things, isn't any closer to turning a profit than lineo was |
| 23:31:12 | mallum | Aelhaz: I gotta find some work too very soon |
| 23:31:20 | mallum | Aelhaz: beggining to get a little worried |
| 23:31:37 | Aelhaz | and I don't want to work for a company that, point blank, tells me they want to know exactly how much i made at my last job, and that they expect me to prove it with a W2 or pay stub. |
| 23:31:46 | Aelhaz | before they even mention the possibility of an interview |
| 23:32:06 | Aelhaz | it's like me demanding that they document the salaries of my prospective coworkers before i consent to an interview |
| 23:32:16 | mallum | Aelhaz: thats bad |
| 23:32:17 | Aelhaz | except that there's more people looking for work than there are jobs |
| 23:32:23 | mallum | Aelhaz: can they legally do that ? |
| 23:33:02 | Aelhaz | mallum: tell me how much other people make? Well, legally, yes, and if anyone found out, then they'd be likely to get sued by everyone involved |
| 23:33:23 | mallum | Aelhaz: I gotta go to bed |
| 23:33:28 | Aelhaz | mallum: cya |
| 23:33:29 | Aelhaz | good luck |
| 23:33:35 | mallum | Aelhaz: getting moaned at by lady friend ... |
| 23:33:40 | mallum | Aelhaz: you too |
| 23:33:47 | Aelhaz | cya |
| 23:35:20 | mallum | night |