00:00:16 | captain_proton | scrollbar adjustments can be altered dynamically in pgui right? |
00:00:33 | BZFlag | handhelds.org and openzaurus are talking about a build system |
00:00:51 | scanline | captain_proton: scrollbar adjustments? |
00:01:00 | BZFlag | openzaurus is using the tux buildroot hacked up some more. based on glibc. |
00:01:08 | captain_proton | sorry gtk lingo - client area sizes |
00:01:16 | BZFlag | going to build pico for the z? ;-) |
00:01:23 | scanline | if i get one :) |
00:01:49 | prpplague | captain_proton: ohh well, nothing like being the original |
00:01:53 | scanline | captain_proton: it tries.. the scrolling still has a few major bugs left (which i hope to fix this weekend) |
00:02:47 | captain_proton | ahh ok |
00:03:19 | scanline | like the code that resizes the scrollbar to the attached widget's preferred size seems to lag recalcs a bit |
00:03:51 | scanline | and some cases of scrolling containers within containers render wrong |
00:03:59 | captain_proton | yuck |
00:04:10 | captain_proton | hrm...does anybody have a document on the arm instruction set? |
00:04:18 | Hiraghm | I'm sure someone does |
00:04:40 | captain_proton | scanline: that drop shadow is pretty :) |
00:04:50 | Hiraghm | new version of picogui, then? |
00:04:51 | scanline | captain_proton: hehe, fake alpha blending :) |
00:04:57 | captain_proton | fake? |
00:05:07 | scanline | it's multiplying a greyscale bitmap |
00:05:16 | captain_proton | heh |
00:05:46 | Hiraghm | pokes scanline |
00:05:52 | scanline | is poked |
00:06:01 | Hiraghm | new version of picogui, then? |
00:06:03 | scanline | well, picogui still doesn't come in versions yet :) |
00:06:19 | scanline | unless you count CVS tarballs, which come every day |
00:06:22 | Hiraghm | you've compiled a new binary since I dled it a couple weeks ago, then? 8c) |
00:06:43 | scanline | i haven't compiled an image for the Tux in a while.. |
00:07:36 | captain_proton | i'm gonna go mess around with some people...ttyl everyone |
00:07:48 | scanline | bye captain_proton |
00:10:38 | prpplague | hey guys what do you guys, what do you use for awk/gawk in an embedded system? |
00:12:51 | scanline | does busybox have one? |
00:13:22 | prpplague | i'm not seeing one in the config |
00:13:56 | prpplague | guess i need to check the webpage |
00:13:59 | Russ|werk | why not just use compiled c code? |
00:15:26 | prpplague | i've got some shell scripts that need it |
00:16:38 | Hiraghm | doesn't use awk/gawk |
00:17:52 | Russ|werk | prpplague: I would think for the size of awk, its not worth it |
00:18:13 | prpplague | Russ: its not, i need to do something different |
00:18:36 | prpplague | Russ: looks like its only being used to check to see if an ip address is valid |
00:18:37 | Russ|werk | change the script |
00:18:37 | | Russ|werk: that doesn't look right |
00:18:50 | | russ|werk: no idea |
00:18:50 | Russ|werk | ibot: wtf? |
00:18:53 | prpplague | Russ: yep time to make a change |
00:26:23 | | Hiraghm? |
00:26:23 | Hiraghm | ibot |
00:28:40 | BZFlag | found a guy selling the tux lcd panels for < $50. anyone interested? |
00:30:32 | captain_proton | perhaps |
00:30:45 | captain_proton | i haven't seen them yet :) |
00:34:40 | scanline | is away: food... sorta |
00:35:55 | lfjewett | Hello, quick question how come the blfix is patched against the 0.4 tree instead of 0.5? Are there other problems with v0.5? |
00:41:08 | Russ|werk | 0.5 already has it |
00:41:12 | Russ|werk | iirc |
00:43:30 | fontenot | bagh |
00:43:33 | fontenot | dsl problems |
00:43:41 | fontenot | opn problems |
00:45:18 | lfjewett | I thought that was the touchscreen patch that was just done this week? the v0.5 was built in Dec? or am I mistaken |
00:45:48 | Russ|werk | which patch |
00:45:51 | Russ|werk | show me |
00:46:08 | lfjewett | tuxscreen-kernel-blfix 16-Jan-2002 15:33 871k |
00:46:23 | lfjewett | is the new kernel image that was placed in the .4 |
00:46:44 | lfjewett | I thought I saw email about it and that it had to do with the TS problem.. |
00:53:23 | scanline | is back (gone 00:18:43) |
00:56:46 | Russ|werk | where is the diff? |
00:56:57 | captain_proton | scanline: hows the food tonight? |
00:57:15 | scanline | captain_proton: pasta in libby, not too bad |
00:57:41 | captain_proton | hrm...i'm thinking of just doing dinner with my family |
00:58:05 | scanline | does your family live close to boulder? |
00:58:13 | captain_proton | within boulder... |
00:58:27 | scanline | ah |
00:58:37 | lfjewett | Honestly Russ I don't know.. I'm only just learning. Linux, C, ARM are all new to me.. This has been my crash course. |
00:58:39 | captain_proton | hey you wouldn't happen to know where i can get a hold of some type-B USB female plugs, would you? |
00:58:59 | lfjewett | www.digikey.com |
01:03:02 | BZFlag | the patch was done long ago, the kernel binary is new so folks can use microwindows jffs2 on all phones. |
01:03:25 | jacques | BZFlag: I think I have isolated the buildroot breakage to the Makefile |
01:03:37 | jacques | (and the nonapplying busybox patch) |
01:03:42 | BZFlag | Russ: that's just the 2.4.7 with the touchscreen patch applied. |
01:04:04 | BZFlag | jacques: cool. sorry I've not had the time to get back to this. |
01:04:25 | jacques | BZFlag: i understand you are busy :-) |
01:04:37 | lfjewett | thanks for the explanation BZFlag.. Hey jacques.. did you finally get Tiny-X to compile and work correctly? |
01:04:47 | captain_proton | woo! they've got one... |
01:04:52 | jacques | BZFlag: someone posted a patch on th wiki that may make ts work on xfree on 2.4.16 |
01:05:07 | lfjewett | They've got everything captain_proton :-) I love that place. |
01:05:20 | Hiraghm | peers at jacques |
01:05:24 | jacques | lfjewett: i applied the patch and compiled, ubt have not had a chance to test i yet - my dsl went down last night and I have been fighting with that |
01:05:27 | captain_proton | i was at the point where i was considering soldering to a gender-changer because i couldn't find any |
01:05:58 | Hiraghm | waves near Sophie |
01:06:50 | captain_proton | is away: foood |
01:07:04 | lfjewett | LOL I almost feel usefull for the first time every in this chat.. If only for a second.. Well Jacques I got all of Xfree downloaded.. didn't have the know how to complete the instructions though |
01:07:35 | jacques | lfjewett: which step are you on? |
01:07:53 | Sophie | hello. |
01:08:10 | lfjewett | 5 |
01:09:57 | lfjewett | afk for 10.. Got a baby to attend. |
01:24:49 | lfjewett | So Jacques, can you tell me what I was supposed to do at step 5? |
01:41:30 | as_ | Evnin all. |
01:41:44 | scanline | hi |
01:44:01 | lfjewett | hello |
01:44:36 | lfjewett | I've just written my first C code to put a pixel on the screen useing the framebuffer.. Ahh what an evening.. :-) |
01:45:23 | scanline | framebuffer code is fun |
01:47:52 | lfjewett | It's interesting. Untill 15 min ago I didn't even know it existed. |
02:06:00 | EGg0_away | is away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books? |
02:25:26 | jacques | ah, my home dsl has decided to join us |
02:28:55 | lfjewett | Generel question. Does the touchscreen work outside of X? |
02:30:21 | jacques | hmg |
02:30:31 | CosmicPenguin | lfjewett: The 2.4.13+ touchscreen works in picogui, the 2.4.7 touchscreen works in microwindows |
02:30:33 | jacques | well it works in picogui and microwindows |
02:30:51 | jacques | sigh, CosmicPenguin's answer is much more correct |
02:31:40 | ctr | CosmicPenguin: ever seen the 404 page on my webserver? |
02:31:59 | CosmicPenguin | ctr: Nope.... Is that on ferite.org? |
02:32:11 | ctr | http://www.darkrock.net/404sucks |
02:32:13 | ctr | go see |
02:32:16 | lfjewett | LOL ok.. thank you.. I was wondering if I could have my application recieve touch screen events without having to load X. (can you tell I've been playing with the framebuffer) |
02:32:37 | ctr | i've had emails from-god-knows-how-many-people about it :) |
02:33:49 | CosmicPenguin | ctr - That is so very cool.... |
02:34:22 | ctr | you read all of it? |
02:34:42 | jacques | lfjewett: a generic framebuffer ts driver would probably be rather useful |
02:34:55 | jacques | lfjewett: ppl have talked about it before on the ipaq |
02:35:05 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah - I even jumped to the CGI link. |
02:35:09 | CosmicPenguin | The best line was: |
02:35:43 | CosmicPenguin | oh, no, I have to come along, big fancy pants Mr. Apache.... :) |
02:35:54 | ctr | :) |
02:36:03 | CosmicPenguin | jacques: RMK keeps talking about his tslib.... |
02:36:04 | ctr | mine is |
02:36:23 | ctr | Yeah! Yeah, I bet that's what it is! You piece of shit! What the hell are you trying to do to me?! Can't you spare just a few nanoseconds to make sure you've at least typed the fucking URL correctly? Is this some kind of challenge to you, or what? |
02:36:24 | ctr | "Oh, look at me, I'm a user, I can't even type, I can't even spell English words, I'm some kind of drooling brainless idiot monkey child surfing round the information superhighway with my big special mouse specially designed to be easy to grip without the use of an opposable thumb. I probably shouldn't even have a computer, but ever since I got my MCSE I find it calming to have nice pretty icons to click on." |
02:37:31 | ctr | it's cool |
02:37:38 | ctr | because people dont read 404's |
02:37:45 | ctr | but when they do i tend to get an email :) |
02:37:59 | lfjewett | Cosmic what is RMK? |
02:39:51 | CosmicPenguin | Richard M King - the lord and master of the arm-linux kernel |
02:43:02 | lfjewett | ok.. thx.. is he working on a tslib or planning too? |
02:46:48 | CosmicPenguin | lfjewett: He already has one..... Check the CVS on www.arm.linux.org.uk |
03:00:55 | CosmicPenguin | Doh! 24 is on... bbl |
03:28:12 | captain_proton | is back (gone 02:21:23) |
03:33:40 | jacques | someone needs to get a tivo |
03:39:11 | Russ | someone needs to make a gtk thing for tv cards that is like tivo |
03:39:28 | Russ | downloads listings and all that neat stuff |
03:40:49 | lfjewett | when running configure is there a way to tell it to use arm-uclibc-gcc and ld and such instead of local x86 stuff? or do you have to run configure and then manually edit the Makefile? |
03:42:39 | Morn | try export CC=arm-uclibc-gcc |
03:42:43 | Morn | and then run configure |
03:43:59 | lfjewett | More and more each day I am amazed at how little I know.. Thank you Morn. VERY MUCH |
03:44:13 | Morn | no problem |
04:18:18 | lfjewett | 2 questions (I'm full of them tonight) writeing a file to /var is the RAM and not flash right? and 2 does Microwindows image from .4 work on the v0.5 tree does anyone know? |
04:32:58 | Morn | There is a problem with microwidows with the kernel from 0.5 |
04:33:05 | Morn | I'm not sure if it got fixed yet |
04:33:14 | Morn | the driver for the touch screen changed in the kernel |
04:33:23 | Morn | so the other software had to be updated |
04:33:33 | Morn | as far as I know only picogui supports the new driver |
04:34:56 | lfjewett | hmm ok.. then I bet the flash ramdisk I just issued isn't going to get me anywhere :) |
04:35:13 | Morn | I need more caffine |
04:35:16 | Morn | desperately |
04:35:30 | lfjewett | LOL Coffee or Mountain Dew |
04:35:37 | Morn | diet coke |
04:35:44 | Morn | has to watch her weight |
04:35:53 | lfjewett | Eww.. :-) |
04:36:04 | Morn | you get used to it after a while |
04:36:20 | Morn | and being a serious addict I had to get used to it |
04:36:38 | lfjewett | Hahaha at a buck fifty I could use some extra weight. |
04:36:51 | lfjewett | Keep the bullies at work off me. |
04:36:52 | lfjewett | :-) |
04:37:03 | Morn | still needs to lose more weight |
04:37:09 | Morn | I'm trying to get back to 150 |
04:37:24 | cory | lfjewett: I hear aol is in talks to buy redhat |
04:39:50 | lfjewett | Hrm sorry cory I have heard no such rumor. |
04:40:10 | lfjewett | That would be an interesting development.. But I really really doubt it. |
04:40:26 | cory | look on slashdot |
04:40:31 | lfjewett | k |
04:45:24 | lfjewett | Very interesting.. Honestly there has been no info even in offical channels about this.. so ether it's true and they are keeping it quiet in order to let Negotionations go uninterupted or the rumor is just that.. a rumor.. |
04:45:51 | lfjewett | I'm really not sure it fits with the AOL/TW stratagy ether, with Redhat being mostly a server/services provider. |
04:46:11 | lfjewett | Will have to ask around tommarrow and validate this a bit. |
05:17:15 | lfjewett | Night all.. |
05:17:53 | scanline | is away: blowing up stuff |
05:30:50 | as_ | Use less sulphur. |
07:47:20 | BZFlag | adds obnoxios blinking text to the wiki login page. ;-) |
08:26:45 | fontenot | blerg |
09:25:27 | Tangent | hi all |
09:26:40 | | fontenot was last seen on #tuxscreen 59 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: blerg [Sat Jan 19 08:26:45 2002] |
09:26:40 | Tangent | ibot seen fontenot |
12:01:47 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzzzz.... |
13:38:48 | Morn | is away: forgaging for food... |
15:05:23 | Morn | is away: shopping... |
15:43:57 | once | hello |
15:55:10 | prpplague | hmm, kinda dead this morning |
16:09:45 | Tangent | Yep... deathly quiet all around |
16:24:06 | prpplague | Tangent: living in a hotel today? |
16:24:18 | Tangent | prpplague : Home for the weekend :) |
16:24:26 | Tangent | prpplague : Been messing around with my firewall today |
16:24:30 | prpplague | ohh |
16:24:52 | prpplague | Tangent: i'm play with Disk-on-Chip stuff today |
16:24:53 | Tangent | messing with firewall and watching DVDs :) |
16:25:11 | Tangent | prpplague : Very fun stuff... |
16:25:15 | prpplague | Tangent: got to get setup to dump a small dist on a DOC by monday |
16:25:17 | Tangent | you messing with the linuxbios stuff? |
16:25:32 | prpplague | Tangent: naw, just a thin client related stuff |
16:25:32 | EGg0 | is away: (rebuliding a kiln) |
19:31:10 | as_ | Evnin all. |
20:04:09 | DrXenon | does anyone happen to know which pins implement the JTAG interface on the amd flash chips? (this information doesn't seem to be in the data sheet referenced in the wiki) |
20:07:46 | GPSFan | DrXenon: the JTAG doesn't connect to the flash directly, it connects to the CPU: http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/cpudta.pdf |
20:12:50 | DrXenon | thanks, GPSfan. i'm trying to verify that my jtag header is really connected to the sa1100 (jflash always whines that it can't see the sa1100) |
20:14:32 | GPSFan | DrXenon: the only place the jtag connector pins 7,8,9,10 go is the CPU. |
20:32:01 | as_ | GPS, out of interest, does jflash work by accessing a debug interface, or through boundry scan? |
20:34:24 | BZFlag | boundry scan. sa does not have a debug interface, does it? |
20:34:37 | as_ | I'm not sure. |
20:35:06 | BZFlag | I think the debug interface in only in tdmi etc series arm cpus |
20:35:28 | as_ | Thats possible, they tend to be badly documented though. |
20:44:51 | DrXenon | GPSFan, do you have the bsdl file for the 1100? |
20:47:58 | DrXenon | i can find it for the 1110 but not for the 1100. |
20:49:00 | BZFlag | bsdl? there are datasheets on the tux site. |
20:49:18 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/download/sa1100/ |
20:49:28 | BZFlag | since intel removed them |
20:51:44 | as_ | grumbles generally about intel. |
20:52:37 | DrXenon | bsdl == boundary scan description language. i'm not having much luck with jflash, so i'm going to try using a xilinx program/cable i have. |
20:53:57 | as_ | Hmm, what software would you use with that though? |
20:54:25 | as_ | I have JTAG programmer, but its xilinx specific. |
20:56:23 | DrXenon | is your jtag dongle USB, parallel, or serial? |
20:57:14 | as_ | Parallel, its not a xilinx cable though, its one I have so far failed to make work correctly with xilinx tools. |
20:58:15 | BZFlag | you made your own par dongle cable? |
20:58:17 | as_ | I can use the debug section with a scope to use JTAG at the bit level correctly, but the program itself fails to work properly. |
20:58:26 | as_ | Yes. |
20:58:34 | BZFlag | I found that the cabling is a bit sensitive. |
20:58:47 | BZFlag | the folded ribbon cable in the pictures is wat I use. |
20:59:03 | as_ | The interface works correctly. |
20:59:25 | BZFlag | separate wires did not work well for me. the ribbon insures identical electrical props |
20:59:31 | as_ | I'm using it to connect to the debug interface of an ST20 based CPU system, with some software I wrote. |
20:59:40 | BZFlag | ahh! ok. |
21:00:00 | BZFlag | you might want to try rmk's tjag software instead of jflash. |
21:00:07 | BZFlag | I have not messed with that yet. |
21:00:18 | DrXenon | tjag?? |
21:00:22 | BZFlag | er jtag. |
21:00:25 | as_ | I would be interested to look at both. |
21:01:16 | DrXenon | bzflag, where can a guy find rmk's jtag software? |
21:01:28 | BZFlag | is digging for a link. cvs someplace... |
21:02:08 | BZFlag | http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/cvs/ <- second module "jtag" |
21:03:07 | DrXenon | thanks, i hadn't seen that before. |
21:05:30 | DrXenon | i have an old xilinx foundation series software package and the associated dongle, so i think i'll try that first (hence my question about whether anyone has the bsdl file; i have to give that to the xilinx jtag programmer app) |
21:11:09 | as_ | I use foundation, It doesnt seem to have the ability to do anything to a non xilinx chip. |
21:12:04 | as_ | Does it let you toggle output lines on xilinx chips? |
21:13:29 | as_ | I think we might be in luck. |
21:13:31 | as_ | http://sunsite.rediris.es/ftp/sites/download.intel.nl/design/strong/BSDL/ |
21:14:15 | DrXenon | to be honest, i'm not a jtag guy, i just play one on irc. the manual says that the software/dongle combination can talk to any jtag devices. |
21:14:50 | as_ | Hmm, interesting. |
21:15:51 | as_ | My clone of the xilinx dongle isnt perfect, it lacks an isolation option, I'll be making one properly at somepoint. |
21:17:53 | as_ | Possibly the manual is refering to their inclusion to the JTAG chain, the software drops other devices into BYPASS mode while programming the other chips. |
21:22:24 | as_ | Anyway the BSDL file is there, so you can try it, do let us know what happens. |
21:24:33 | DrXenon | you are probably right about xilinx not giving true support for third party devices. i should be able to coax it into |
21:24:42 | DrXenon | "seeing" the 1100, though. |
21:25:50 | as_ | JTAGprogrammer is a very odd program. IT lets you toggle TDI TMS TCK, but doesnt show you what TDO is doing, your supposed to look at that with a digital scope or logic analyser! |
21:26:35 | DrXenon | presumably you can look at it if you have a bidirectional parport, though? |
21:26:52 | as_ | Not with that program. |
21:27:08 | as_ | The way the interface is wired you dont need a bidirectional parallel port. |
21:27:44 | as_ | The program itself can see TDO, it has too, it just doesnt let you see it. |
21:28:55 | as_ | I was trying to get it to program a 4005 chip. Part of my long suffering project, so Ive spend some very frustrated hours with it. |
21:30:16 | as2 | Re. |
21:30:42 | as2 | Eventually I got the DIN/CCLK/PROGRAM interface to work instead. Which isnt a bad thing becuase it frees up the JTAG pins to use as IO. |
21:41:22 | DrXenon | is there an intel part called SA-1200? the allegedly 1100 files' descriptions say they're 1200, not 1100. |
21:41:41 | as2 | That confused me too. |
21:42:31 | as2 | The quad flatpack version says SA1100 though. |
21:42:46 | as2 | Presumably thats whats in the tuxscreens? |
21:43:14 | as2 | (The actual BSDL file) |
21:46:02 | DrXenon | i'm using the qfp bsdl running in deviceProgrammer v4.1. it crashes horribly on my xp box. |
21:46:40 | as2 | Now theres a funny thing. JTAGprogrammer crashes on my 98 box all the time too. |
21:47:09 | as2 | And every time I tried loading the 9536 bsdl file. |
21:47:09 | DrXenon | "The application has discovered an exceptional condition from which it cannot recover. Procfesss will teminate. To resolve this error, please consult online resources at support.xilinx.com" sigh. |
21:47:40 | as2 | Which since the xilinx 9536 chip cannot be programed without JTAG, is something of a pain. |
21:47:51 | DrXenon | hee. |
21:48:24 | as2 | Maybe we are missing a reg key, or a file switch. -MakeXilinxSoftwareNotShit. |
21:49:27 | DrXenon | yah. i'm going to try my old version of jtag programmer and see if that helps. |
21:50:45 | as2 | How much did you pay for your JTAG cable, and what port does it use, the only ones I found were like 3 grand. |
21:52:37 | DrXenon | i can get jtagprogrammer to see the 29160s. maybe i'll try the 1110 bsdl file on the theory that it'll be put straight into bypass mode. |
21:53:10 | as2 | What are 29160's? |
21:54:00 | DrXenon | i paid US$95 for my xilinx jtag dongle. of course, that was when the canadian dollar was worth something. |
21:54:11 | as2 | Yikes. |
21:54:29 | as2 | If only they were that cheep now. |
21:54:30 | DrXenon | the cable came with a spartan eval board. |
21:54:48 | as2 | Ahh. That explains something. |
21:55:13 | DrXenon | 29160s are the flash roms, i think. |
21:55:40 | as2 | I have a 3rd part FPGA board, which uses a bastardised CCLK interface and its own programming software. |
21:55:51 | as2 | That confuses me. |
21:56:04 | as2 | Ive never seen memory with a JTAG interface, ever. |
21:56:14 | DrXenon | the wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. |
21:56:41 | as2 | Do you have a bsdl file for the 29160's or what? |
21:57:13 | DrXenon | yah, i don't remember where i got it from though. |
21:57:29 | as2 | Can you DCC it me please. |
21:58:12 | DrXenon | sure. i've never used dcc so give me a few secs to learn how. |
21:58:34 | as2 | Double click on my name for a query window, and just drag and drop the file onto that window. |
21:59:55 | DrXenon | did that work? |
22:00:21 | as2 | Hmm, are you firewalled? |
22:08:51 | DrXenon | i just tried the xilinx cable with the associated spartan board, and everything works fine. i think i'll order another tuxscreen, because i may have damaged the one i have. |
22:09:42 | as2 | Your trying a different interface for use with the tuxscreen software right? |
22:12:36 | DrXenon | i've tried both ways i can think of: 1. use a breakout box and the xilinx dongle with jflash. 2. use unmolested xilinx cable and xliinx software. |
22:12:59 | as2 | The xilinx dongle wont work with jflash. |
22:13:24 | DrXenon | how come? |
22:13:47 | as2 | Theres no standard PC interface spec. |
22:13:58 | as2 | So everyone makes a slightly different interface. |
22:14:42 | as2 | Xilinx PPort JTAG is different from Byteblaster JTAG, which are probably both different to the ones used here. |
22:15:13 | BZFlag | known as the "holly jtag" or the "lart jtag" |
22:15:29 | DrXenon | ah. (i'm off for dinner for 1 hr or so.) |
22:15:48 | as2 | Well, on the bright side, you may not have fried your tuxscreen :] |
22:16:49 | as2 | Xilinx in particular use a wierd JTAG connection. |
23:14:03 | scanline | is back (gone 11:12:16) |
23:14:47 | as2 | You finished blowing stuff up? |
23:56:37 | scanline | is away: food, sorta |