irclog2html for tuxscreen on 2002.01.19

00:00:16captain_protonscrollbar adjustments can be altered dynamically in pgui right?
00:00:33BZFlaghandhelds.org and openzaurus are talking about a build system
00:00:51scanlinecaptain_proton: scrollbar adjustments?
00:01:00BZFlagopenzaurus is using the tux buildroot hacked up some more. based on glibc.
00:01:08captain_protonsorry gtk lingo - client area sizes
00:01:16BZFlaggoing to build pico for the z? ;-)
00:01:23scanlineif i get one :)
00:01:49prpplaguecaptain_proton: ohh well,  nothing like being the original
00:01:53scanlinecaptain_proton: it tries.. the scrolling still has a few major bugs left (which i hope to fix this weekend)
00:02:47captain_protonahh ok
00:03:19scanlinelike the code that resizes the scrollbar to the attached widget's preferred size seems to lag recalcs a bit
00:03:51scanlineand some cases of scrolling containers within containers render wrong
00:03:59captain_protonyuck
00:04:10captain_protonhrm...does anybody have a document on the arm instruction set?
00:04:18HiraghmI'm sure someone does
00:04:40captain_protonscanline: that drop shadow is pretty :)
00:04:50Hiraghmnew version of picogui, then?
00:04:51scanlinecaptain_proton: hehe, fake alpha blending :)
00:04:57captain_protonfake?
00:05:07scanlineit's multiplying a greyscale bitmap
00:05:16captain_protonheh
00:05:46Hiraghmpokes scanline
00:05:52scanlineis poked
00:06:01Hiraghmnew version of picogui, then?
00:06:03scanlinewell, picogui still doesn't come in versions yet :)
00:06:19scanlineunless you count CVS tarballs, which come every day
00:06:22Hiraghmyou've compiled a new binary since I dled it a couple weeks ago, then? 8c)
00:06:43scanlinei haven't compiled an image for the Tux in a while..
00:07:36captain_protoni'm gonna go mess around with some people...ttyl everyone
00:07:48scanlinebye captain_proton
00:10:38prpplaguehey guys what do you guys, what do you use for awk/gawk in an embedded system?
00:12:51scanlinedoes busybox have one?
00:13:22prpplaguei'm not seeing one in the config
00:13:56prpplagueguess i need to check the webpage
00:13:59Russ|werkwhy not just use compiled c code?
00:15:26prpplaguei've got some shell scripts that need it
00:16:38Hiraghmdoesn't use awk/gawk
00:17:52Russ|werkprpplague: I would think for the size of awk, its not worth it
00:18:13prpplagueRuss: its not, i need to do something different
00:18:36prpplagueRuss: looks like its only being used to check to see if an ip address is valid
00:18:37Russ|werkchange the script
00:18:37Russ|werk: that doesn't look right
00:18:50russ|werk: no idea
00:18:50Russ|werkibot: wtf?
00:18:53prpplagueRuss: yep time to make a change
00:26:23Hiraghm?
00:26:23Hiraghmibot
00:28:40BZFlagfound a guy selling the tux lcd panels for < $50. anyone interested?
00:30:32captain_protonperhaps
00:30:45captain_protoni haven't seen them yet :)
00:34:40scanlineis away: food... sorta
00:35:55lfjewettHello, quick question how come the blfix is patched against the 0.4 tree instead of 0.5? Are there other problems with v0.5?
00:41:08Russ|werk0.5 already has it
00:41:12Russ|werkiirc
00:43:30fontenotbagh
00:43:33fontenotdsl problems
00:43:41fontenotopn problems
00:45:18lfjewettI thought that was the touchscreen patch that was just done this week? the v0.5 was built in Dec?  or am I mistaken
00:45:48Russ|werkwhich patch
00:45:51Russ|werkshow me
00:46:08lfjewetttuxscreen-kernel-blfix 16-Jan-2002 15:33   871k
00:46:23lfjewettis the new kernel image that was placed in the .4
00:46:44lfjewettI thought I saw email about it and that it had to do with the TS problem..
00:53:23scanlineis back (gone 00:18:43)
00:56:46Russ|werkwhere is the diff?
00:56:57captain_protonscanline: hows the food tonight?
00:57:15scanlinecaptain_proton: pasta in libby, not too bad
00:57:41captain_protonhrm...i'm thinking of just doing dinner with my family
00:58:05scanlinedoes your family live close to boulder?
00:58:13captain_protonwithin boulder...
00:58:27scanlineah
00:58:37lfjewettHonestly Russ I don't know..  I'm only just learning. Linux, C, ARM are all new to me.. This has been my crash course.
00:58:39captain_protonhey you wouldn't happen to know where i can get a hold of some type-B USB female plugs, would you?
00:58:59lfjewettwww.digikey.com
01:03:02BZFlagthe patch was done long ago, the kernel binary is new so folks can use microwindows jffs2 on all phones.
01:03:25jacquesBZFlag: I think I have isolated the buildroot breakage to the Makefile
01:03:37jacques(and the nonapplying busybox patch)
01:03:42BZFlagRuss: that's just the 2.4.7 with the touchscreen patch applied.
01:04:04BZFlagjacques: cool. sorry I've not had the time to get back to this.
01:04:25jacquesBZFlag: i understand you are busy :-)
01:04:37lfjewettthanks for the explanation BZFlag.. Hey jacques.. did you finally get Tiny-X to compile and work correctly?
01:04:47captain_protonwoo! they've got one...
01:04:52jacquesBZFlag: someone posted a patch on th wiki that may make ts work on xfree on 2.4.16
01:05:07lfjewettThey've got everything captain_proton :-)   I love that place.
01:05:20Hiraghmpeers at jacques
01:05:24jacqueslfjewett: i applied the patch and compiled, ubt have not had a chance to test i yet - my dsl went down last night and I have been fighting with that
01:05:27captain_protoni was at the point where i was considering soldering to a gender-changer because i couldn't find any
01:05:58Hiraghmwaves near Sophie
01:06:50captain_protonis away: foood
01:07:04lfjewettLOL I almost feel usefull for the first time every in this chat.. If only for a second..  Well Jacques I got all of Xfree downloaded.. didn't have the know how to complete the instructions though
01:07:35jacqueslfjewett: which step are you on?
01:07:53Sophiehello.
01:08:10lfjewett5
01:09:57lfjewettafk for 10.. Got a baby to attend.
01:24:49lfjewettSo Jacques, can you tell me what I was supposed to do at step 5?
01:41:30as_Evnin all.
01:41:44scanlinehi
01:44:01lfjewetthello
01:44:36lfjewettI've just written my first C code to put a pixel on the screen useing the framebuffer..  Ahh what an evening.. :-)
01:45:23scanlineframebuffer code is fun
01:47:52lfjewettIt's interesting.  Untill 15 min ago I didn't even know it existed.
02:06:00EGg0_awayis away: I'm reading a book. Do you remember books?
02:25:26jacquesah, my home dsl has decided to join us
02:28:55lfjewettGenerel question. Does the touchscreen work outside of X?
02:30:21jacqueshmg
02:30:31CosmicPenguinlfjewett: The 2.4.13+ touchscreen works in picogui, the 2.4.7 touchscreen works in microwindows
02:30:33jacqueswell it works in picogui and microwindows
02:30:51jacquessigh, CosmicPenguin's answer is much more correct
02:31:40ctrCosmicPenguin: ever seen the 404 page on my webserver?
02:31:59CosmicPenguinctr: Nope....  Is that on ferite.org?
02:32:11ctrhttp://www.darkrock.net/404sucks
02:32:13ctrgo see
02:32:16lfjewettLOL ok.. thank you.. I was wondering if I could have my application recieve touch screen events without having to load X.  (can you tell I've been playing with the framebuffer)
02:32:37ctri've had emails from-god-knows-how-many-people about it :)
02:33:49CosmicPenguinctr - That is so very cool....
02:34:22ctryou read all of it?
02:34:42jacqueslfjewett: a generic framebuffer ts driver would probably be rather useful
02:34:55jacqueslfjewett: ppl have talked about it before on the ipaq
02:35:05CosmicPenguinYeah - I even jumped to the CGI link.  
02:35:09CosmicPenguinThe best line was:
02:35:43CosmicPenguinoh, no, I have to come along, big fancy pants Mr. Apache.... :)
02:35:54ctr:)
02:36:03CosmicPenguinjacques: RMK keeps talking about his tslib....
02:36:04ctrmine is
02:36:23ctrYeah! Yeah, I bet that's what it is! You piece of shit! What the hell are you trying to do to me?! Can't you spare just a few nanoseconds to make sure you've at least typed the fucking URL correctly? Is this some kind of challenge to you, or what?
02:36:24ctr "Oh, look at me, I'm a user, I can't even type, I can't even spell English words, I'm some kind of drooling brainless idiot monkey child surfing round the information superhighway with my big special mouse specially designed to be easy to grip without the use of an opposable thumb. I probably shouldn't even have a computer, but ever since I got my MCSE I find it calming to have nice pretty icons to click on."
02:37:31ctrit's cool
02:37:38ctrbecause people dont read 404's
02:37:45ctrbut when they do i tend to get an email :)
02:37:59lfjewettCosmic what is RMK?
02:39:51CosmicPenguinRichard M King - the lord and master of the arm-linux kernel
02:43:02lfjewettok.. thx..  is he working on a tslib or planning too?
02:46:48CosmicPenguinlfjewett: He already has one..... Check the CVS on www.arm.linux.org.uk
03:00:55CosmicPenguinDoh! 24 is on... bbl
03:28:12captain_protonis back (gone 02:21:23)
03:33:40jacquessomeone needs to get a tivo
03:39:11Russsomeone needs to make a gtk thing for tv cards that is like tivo
03:39:28Russdownloads listings and all that neat stuff
03:40:49lfjewettwhen running configure is there a way to tell it to use arm-uclibc-gcc and ld and such instead of local x86 stuff?  or do you have to run configure and then manually edit the Makefile?
03:42:39Morntry export CC=arm-uclibc-gcc
03:42:43Mornand then run configure
03:43:59lfjewettMore and more each day I am amazed at how little I know..  Thank you Morn. VERY MUCH
03:44:13Mornno problem
04:18:18lfjewett2 questions (I'm full of them tonight) writeing a file to /var is the  RAM and not flash right? and 2 does Microwindows image from .4 work on the v0.5 tree does anyone know?
04:32:58MornThere is a problem with microwidows with the kernel from 0.5
04:33:05MornI'm not sure if it got fixed yet
04:33:14Mornthe driver for the touch screen changed in the kernel
04:33:23Mornso the other software had to be updated
04:33:33Mornas far as I know only picogui supports the new driver
04:34:56lfjewetthmm ok.. then I bet the flash ramdisk I just issued isn't going to get me anywhere :)
04:35:13MornI need more caffine
04:35:16Morndesperately
04:35:30lfjewettLOL Coffee or Mountain Dew
04:35:37Morndiet coke
04:35:44Mornhas to watch her weight
04:35:53lfjewettEww.. :-)  
04:36:04Mornyou get used to it after a while
04:36:20Mornand being a serious addict I had to get used to it
04:36:38lfjewettHahaha at a buck fifty I could use some extra weight.
04:36:51lfjewettKeep the bullies at work off me.
04:36:52lfjewett:-)
04:37:03Mornstill needs to lose more weight
04:37:09MornI'm trying to get back to 150
04:37:24corylfjewett: I hear aol is in talks to buy redhat
04:39:50lfjewettHrm sorry cory I have heard no such rumor.
04:40:10lfjewettThat would be an interesting development.. But I really really doubt it.
04:40:26corylook on slashdot
04:40:31lfjewettk
04:45:24lfjewettVery interesting.. Honestly there has been no info even in offical channels about this.. so ether it's true and they are keeping it quiet in order to let Negotionations go uninterupted or the rumor is just that.. a rumor..
04:45:51lfjewettI'm really not sure it fits with the AOL/TW stratagy ether, with Redhat being mostly a server/services provider.
04:46:11lfjewettWill have to ask around tommarrow and validate this a bit.
05:17:15lfjewettNight all..
05:17:53scanlineis away: blowing up stuff
05:30:50as_Use less sulphur.
07:47:20BZFlagadds obnoxios blinking text to the wiki login page. ;-)
08:26:45fontenotblerg
09:25:27Tangenthi all
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12:01:47scanlineis away: ZzZzZzzzz....
13:38:48Mornis away: forgaging for food...
15:05:23Mornis away: shopping...
15:43:57oncehello
15:55:10prpplaguehmm, kinda dead this morning
16:09:45TangentYep... deathly quiet all around
16:24:06prpplagueTangent: living in a hotel today?
16:24:18Tangentprpplague : Home for the weekend :)
16:24:26Tangentprpplague : Been messing around with my firewall today
16:24:30prpplagueohh
16:24:52prpplagueTangent: i'm play with Disk-on-Chip stuff today
16:24:53Tangentmessing with firewall and watching DVDs :)
16:25:11Tangentprpplague : Very fun stuff...
16:25:15prpplagueTangent: got to get setup to dump a small dist on a DOC by monday
16:25:17Tangentyou messing with the linuxbios stuff?
16:25:32prpplagueTangent: naw, just a thin client related stuff
16:25:32EGg0is away: (rebuliding a kiln)
19:31:10as_Evnin all.
20:04:09DrXenondoes anyone happen to know which pins implement the JTAG interface on the amd flash chips?  (this information doesn't seem to be in the data sheet referenced in the wiki)
20:07:46GPSFanDrXenon: the JTAG doesn't connect to the flash directly, it connects to the CPU: http://tuxscreen.net/download/schematics/cpudta.pdf
20:12:50DrXenonthanks, GPSfan.  i'm trying to verify that my jtag header is really connected to the sa1100 (jflash always whines that it can't see the sa1100)
20:14:32GPSFanDrXenon: the only place the jtag connector pins 7,8,9,10 go is the CPU.
20:32:01as_GPS, out of interest, does jflash work by accessing a debug interface, or through boundry scan?
20:34:24BZFlagboundry scan. sa does not have a debug interface, does it?
20:34:37as_I'm not sure.
20:35:06BZFlagI think the debug interface in only in tdmi etc series arm cpus
20:35:28as_Thats possible, they tend to be badly documented though.
20:44:51DrXenonGPSFan, do you have the bsdl file for the 1100?
20:47:58DrXenoni can find it for the 1110 but not for the 1100.
20:49:00BZFlagbsdl? there are datasheets on the tux site.
20:49:18BZFlaghttp://TuxScreen.net/download/sa1100/
20:49:28BZFlagsince intel removed them
20:51:44as_grumbles generally about intel.
20:52:37DrXenonbsdl == boundary scan description language.  i'm not having much luck with jflash, so i'm going to try using a xilinx program/cable i have.  
20:53:57as_Hmm, what software would you use with that though?
20:54:25as_I have JTAG programmer, but its xilinx specific.
20:56:23DrXenonis your jtag dongle USB, parallel, or serial?
20:57:14as_Parallel, its not a xilinx cable though, its one I have so far failed to make work correctly with xilinx tools.
20:58:15BZFlagyou made your own par dongle cable?
20:58:17as_I can use the debug section with a scope to use JTAG at the bit level correctly, but the program itself fails to work properly.
20:58:26as_Yes.
20:58:34BZFlagI found that the cabling is a bit sensitive.
20:58:47BZFlagthe folded ribbon cable in the pictures is wat I use.
20:59:03as_The interface works correctly.
20:59:25BZFlagseparate wires did not work well for me. the ribbon insures identical electrical props
20:59:31as_I'm using it to connect to the debug interface of an ST20 based CPU system, with some software I wrote.
20:59:40BZFlagahh! ok.
21:00:00BZFlagyou might want to try rmk's tjag software instead of jflash.
21:00:07BZFlagI have not messed with that yet.
21:00:18DrXenontjag??
21:00:22BZFlager jtag.
21:00:25as_I would be interested to look at both.
21:01:16DrXenonbzflag, where can a guy find rmk's jtag software?
21:01:28BZFlagis digging for a link. cvs someplace...
21:02:08BZFlaghttp://www.arm.linux.org.uk/cvs/ <- second module "jtag"
21:03:07DrXenonthanks, i hadn't seen that before.
21:05:30DrXenoni have an old xilinx foundation series software package and the associated dongle, so i think i'll try that first (hence my question about whether anyone has the bsdl file; i have to give that to the xilinx jtag programmer app)
21:11:09as_I use foundation, It doesnt seem to have the ability to do anything to a non xilinx chip.
21:12:04as_Does it let you toggle output lines on xilinx chips?
21:13:29as_I think we might be in luck.
21:13:31as_http://sunsite.rediris.es/ftp/sites/download.intel.nl/design/strong/BSDL/
21:14:15DrXenonto be honest, i'm not a jtag guy, i just play one on irc.  the manual says that the software/dongle combination can talk to any jtag devices.
21:14:50as_Hmm, interesting.
21:15:51as_My clone of the xilinx dongle isnt perfect, it lacks an isolation option, I'll be making one properly at somepoint.
21:17:53as_Possibly the manual is refering to their inclusion to the JTAG chain, the software drops other devices into BYPASS mode while programming the other chips.
21:22:24as_Anyway the BSDL file is there, so you can try it, do let us know what happens.
21:24:33DrXenonyou are probably right about xilinx not giving true support for third party devices.  i should be able to coax it into
21:24:42DrXenon"seeing" the 1100, though.
21:25:50as_JTAGprogrammer is a very odd program.  IT lets you toggle TDI TMS TCK, but doesnt show you what TDO is doing, your supposed to look at that with a digital scope or logic analyser!
21:26:35DrXenonpresumably you can look at it if you have a bidirectional parport, though?
21:26:52as_Not with that program.
21:27:08as_The way the interface is wired you dont need a bidirectional parallel port.
21:27:44as_The program itself can see TDO, it has too, it just doesnt let you see it.
21:28:55as_I was trying to get it to program a 4005 chip.  Part of my long suffering project, so Ive spend some very frustrated hours with it.
21:30:16as2Re.
21:30:42as2Eventually I got the DIN/CCLK/PROGRAM interface to work instead.  Which isnt a bad thing becuase it frees up the JTAG pins to use as IO.
21:41:22DrXenonis there an intel part called SA-1200?  the allegedly 1100 files' descriptions say they're 1200, not 1100.
21:41:41as2That confused me too.
21:42:31as2The quad flatpack version says SA1100 though.
21:42:46as2Presumably thats whats in the tuxscreens?
21:43:14as2(The actual BSDL file)
21:46:02DrXenoni'm using the qfp bsdl running in deviceProgrammer v4.1.  it crashes horribly on my xp box.
21:46:40as2Now theres a funny thing.  JTAGprogrammer crashes on my 98 box all the time too.
21:47:09as2And every time I tried loading the 9536 bsdl file.
21:47:09DrXenon"The application has discovered an exceptional condition from which it cannot recover.  Procfesss will teminate.  To resolve this error, please consult online resources at support.xilinx.com" sigh.
21:47:40as2Which since the xilinx 9536 chip cannot be programed without JTAG, is something of a pain.
21:47:51DrXenonhee.
21:48:24as2Maybe we are missing a reg key, or a file switch.  -MakeXilinxSoftwareNotShit.
21:49:27DrXenonyah.  i'm going to try my old version of jtag programmer and see if that helps.
21:50:45as2How much did you pay for your JTAG cable, and what port does it use, the only ones I found were like 3 grand.
21:52:37DrXenoni can get jtagprogrammer to see the 29160s.  maybe i'll try the 1110 bsdl file on the theory that it'll be put straight into bypass mode.
21:53:10as2What are 29160's?
21:54:00DrXenoni paid US$95 for my xilinx jtag dongle.  of course, that was when the canadian dollar was worth something.
21:54:11as2Yikes.
21:54:29as2If only they were that cheep now.
21:54:30DrXenonthe cable came with a spartan eval board.
21:54:48as2Ahh.  That explains something.
21:55:13DrXenon29160s are the flash roms, i think.
21:55:40as2I have a 3rd part FPGA board, which uses a bastardised CCLK interface and its own programming software.
21:55:51as2That confuses me.
21:56:04as2Ive never seen memory with a JTAG interface, ever.
21:56:14DrXenonthe wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from.
21:56:41as2Do you have a bsdl file for the 29160's or what?
21:57:13DrXenonyah, i don't remember where i got it from though.
21:57:29as2Can you DCC it me please.
21:58:12DrXenonsure. i've never used dcc so give me a few secs to learn how.
21:58:34as2Double click on my name for a query window, and just drag and drop the file onto that window.
21:59:55DrXenondid that work?
22:00:21as2Hmm, are you firewalled?
22:08:51DrXenoni just tried the xilinx cable with the associated spartan board, and everything works fine.  i think i'll order another tuxscreen, because i may have damaged the one i have.
22:09:42as2Your trying a different interface for use with the tuxscreen software right?
22:12:36DrXenoni've tried both ways i can think of: 1. use a breakout box and the xilinx dongle with jflash.  2. use unmolested xilinx cable and xliinx software.
22:12:59as2The xilinx dongle wont work with jflash.
22:13:24DrXenonhow come?
22:13:47as2Theres no standard PC interface spec.
22:13:58as2So everyone makes a slightly different interface.
22:14:42as2Xilinx PPort JTAG is different from Byteblaster JTAG, which are probably both different to the ones used here.
22:15:13BZFlagknown as the "holly jtag" or the "lart jtag"
22:15:29DrXenonah. (i'm off for dinner for 1 hr or so.)
22:15:48as2Well, on the bright side, you may not have fried your tuxscreen :]
22:16:49as2Xilinx in particular use a wierd JTAG connection.
23:14:03scanlineis back (gone 11:12:16)
23:14:47as2You finished blowing stuff up?
23:56:37scanlineis away: food, sorta

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