| 00:34:11 | Sammy | hope tim can Keep one Tuxscreen for me ... |
| 00:35:16 | BZFlag | Russ: have not gotten around to trying it. hang on... |
| 00:35:31 | BZFlag | Sammy: still plenty left, though sales are starting to pick up. |
| 00:46:59 | Sammy | OK , as soon as I can ... |
| 00:49:27 | BZFlag | Russ: with the 32 in blob still says: Memory map: |
| 00:49:27 | BZFlag | 0x00400000 @ 0xC0000000 (4 MB) |
| 00:49:27 | BZFlag | 0x00400000 @ 0xC8000000 (4 MB) |
| 00:49:27 | BZFlag | 0x00400000 @ 0xD0000000 (4 MB) |
| 00:49:27 | BZFlag | 0x00400000 @ 0xD8000000 (4 MB) |
| 00:49:45 | BZFlag | which is obviously not true. |
| 00:51:52 | BZFlag | and that's all the kernel sees too. |
| 00:52:06 | BZFlag | trying the 64 now... |
| 00:55:22 | BZFlag | and I get nothing at all if the 64M is in there. |
| 01:04:39 | BZFlag | Alehaz: can't stick to a handle huh? |
| 01:04:59 | Alehaz | BZFlag: Well, it's more an issue of having irc accessable from too many machines |
| 01:05:01 | BZFlag | no joy on 64M sodimm. 32M is seen as an 8 still. |
| 01:05:14 | Alehaz | hmm, 32 meg sodimm doesn't work? |
| 01:05:44 | Alehaz | ups says they want my signature in person to deliver my sodimm, so it looks like I'm driving to east bay to pick it up :/ |
| 01:06:13 | BZFlag | they have a little form that you can sign and leave, no? |
| 01:06:27 | Alehaz | BZFlag: Yeah, it says on it that they need me to sign in person |
| 01:06:35 | BZFlag | nice. (not) |
| 01:06:39 | Alehaz | which is bullshit, UPS policy says the driver has discression |
| 01:06:45 | Alehaz | must be a greenie driver |
| 01:07:00 | Alehaz | The guy who used to do this route for UPS had no qualms about leaving a pile of boxes next to my porch |
| 01:07:02 | BZFlag | http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view/Main/SODIMM <- updates here. |
| 01:07:08 | Alehaz | this guy, it has to be signed for |
| 01:07:12 | Alehaz | or left with a neighbor |
| 01:07:16 | Alehaz | utter bullshit. |
| 01:08:30 | Alehaz | I live on a corner, I guess he thinks that's dangerous. He doesn't realize that most people who live here are either small families with kids too young to go to school who are home all day, and retired people who are generally home all day. |
| 01:09:03 | Alehaz | kids play on my lawn all day. I can't picture someone swiping something from my porch. |
| 01:09:16 | Alehaz | </rant> |
| 01:14:03 | Alehaz | i guess with dotcoms going to the poor house they're not accepting the same rates of fraud anymore |
| 01:14:26 | Alehaz | buy.com's CC processor is cutting them off sept. 1st, ferinstance |
| 02:32:56 | nelson | Alehaz: where did you read that? |
| 02:47:28 | Alehaz | nelson: Someone told me they saw that on FC today |
| 03:05:24 | Russ | is back |
| 03:07:29 | Sammy | welcome... |
| 03:36:40 | BZFlag | Russ: you got my sodimm info, yes? |
| 05:45:16 | Russ | BZFlag: yah, saw what you said |
| 05:45:22 | Russ | would have to look into it |
| 05:59:21 | BZFlag | ok |
| 06:21:45 | BZFlag | chip info on http://TuxScreen.net/wiki/view//SODIMM |
| 11:29:39 | mallum | tanstaafl: you about ? |
| 13:28:59 | tanstaafl | mallum yes |
| 13:29:04 | tanstaafl | how's it going |
| 13:49:05 | bworth | hi, all - what's new in tuxscreen land? |
| 13:52:27 | CosmicPenguin | Backlight control! |
| 14:09:11 | AlHaz | 32meg sodimm doesn't get properly used yet |
| 14:13:27 | mallum | tanstaafl: hi , sorry been down the pub |
| 14:13:41 | mallum | tanstaafl: everybody got made redundant here today :( |
| 14:13:51 | mallum | tanstaafl: hows X ? |
| 14:17:08 | tanstaafl | X is ok; my touch screen isn't 8-( |
| 14:17:25 | tanstaafl | looks like I have a loose wire somewhere; there's no response |
| 14:17:52 | mallum | ouch |
| 14:17:59 | mallum | have you tried uClibc yet ? |
| 14:20:32 | tanstaafl | no, not yet... |
| 14:22:32 | mallum | I tried again this morning ( with jg's host.def and fresh source ), still hit the same problem |
| 14:25:56 | tanstaafl | what's the problem? |
| 14:25:56 | tanstaafl | did you say it's in the utilities or the server itself? |
| 14:25:58 | tanstaafl | i had to comment out 3 programs, bfdtopcf, xgc, and xterm |
| 14:29:06 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Are you there? |
| 14:31:00 | mallum | tanstaafl: when it does the XFbdev build I get an error like , /usr/arm-uclibc/lib/libc.0 : undefined reference to main |
| 14:31:34 | mallum | tanstaafl: when gcc trys to links all these .a's up and output the XFBdev binary |
| 15:06:30 | Russ | yes? |
| 15:08:15 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: would you rather have absolute values than the 0-FF scale? |
| 15:10:31 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Maybe percentage? |
| 15:11:06 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I was tired last night, so I just put in the backlight timeout, and kept it at that. Soon I will add a contrast/brightness widget |
| 15:14:07 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Anyway, the backlight control works well.... its nice to actually be able to see the screen in all lighting conditions... |
| 15:15:31 | CosmicPenguin | I'll make up a new JFFS image here in a bit, and put it and source code into the appropriate directory.... |
| 15:21:10 | Aelhaz | yeah, the default settings on the lcd seem to be the wrong ones |
| 15:22:49 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: They're not too bad, though I usually prefer it a bit darker..... |
| 15:23:17 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: Well, for the desk mine is sitting on at home, I can't put the screen at an angle where it's easy to read |
| 15:23:47 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: We definately need dynamic setting, there is no doubt about that.... :) |
| 15:24:17 | CosmicPenguin | Russ and I talked about capturing the Screen +/- keys and using that to change brightness or contrast |
| 16:59:52 | nikos | is away: Service Call |
| 17:38:34 | CosmicPenguin | Where is Tim today? Is he taking a well deserved break? |
| 17:54:13 | mallum | hi |
| 17:54:15 | mallum | got my kingston card |
| 17:54:19 | mallum | appears to work .... |
| 17:55:01 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: do you have a url for the kernel that works with microwindows ? |
| 17:57:44 | tanstaafl | i thought he put it in the microwin directory |
| 17:57:56 | tanstaafl | i can dcc you a copy if you'd like |
| 17:58:50 | mallum | tanstaafl: I got it |
| 17:59:04 | mallum | tanstaafl: downloading from the version 0.2 dir |
| 18:08:36 | CosmicPenguin | Damn this network.... :) Who is the NA around here anyway... :-) |
| 18:09:12 | CosmicPenguin | That was a joke, tanstaafl is our network administrator.... :) |
| 18:24:04 | tanstaafl | ok, blame the network |
| 18:24:16 | mallum | bet its not as bad where I work |
| 18:24:33 | mallum | 60% packet loss between my laptop and desktop |
| 18:24:44 | mallum | 2.5k people through a 1mbit line |
| 18:26:14 | andersee | Hey Russ, did you ever get that ps problem figured out? |
| 18:38:46 | tanstaafl | mallum you guys need a t3 & gigabit switches, eh |
| 18:39:15 | Russ | andersee: a complete make clean on everything and removal of all installed files seemed to fix it |
| 18:40:17 | Aelhaz | mallum: cool about the kingston card, update the wiki? |
| 18:40:48 | Aelhaz | A guy here at lineo got a few of the Linksys cards . . . oughta ask him if he's tried them yet |
| 18:43:42 | CosmicPenguin | Aelhaz: Still happy with the trendnet? |
| 18:44:08 | Aelhaz | CosmicPenguin: I haven't had much time to play with the tuxscreen, unfortunately |
| 18:44:39 | Aelhaz | so far no trouble, but it's only been used casually |
| 18:45:02 | Aelhaz | my network at home isn't fit for benchmarking, I've never run any tests over it because I'm just shocked that it works at all |
| 18:45:43 | Aelhaz | I'm using two pair from the three pair pre-cat-three household telephone wiring to link the upstairs hub to the downstairs hub. i'm way out of spec, but the damn thing works anyway |
| 18:46:04 | Aelhaz | probably drops packets like a bastard at high speeds |
| 18:46:16 | tanstaafl | yeah, don't try gigabit on that setup |
| 18:46:27 | Aelhaz | tanstaafl: strictly 10baseT |
| 18:46:50 | Aelhaz | it's gotten better since i installed an actual rj45 on both ends instead of just pigtailing it to cat3 |
| 18:47:30 | Aelhaz | the pairs are occasionally twisted . . . |
| 18:50:03 | Aelhaz | I'll plug it into the 10/100 switch upstairs and pound away at it when i get a chance |
| 18:53:12 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: hmmm , still no luck with microwindows ... |
| 18:53:27 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: I tried 0.2 - no luck it locked up |
| 18:53:53 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: tried 0.1, with the included kernel and it still hangs :( |
| 18:53:54 | Aelhaz | I'm still waiting for my kingston nic, and for my socket nic. kingston nic will probably be for sale real soon now, since i don't really need it |
| 18:55:24 | tanstaafl | mallum do you get as far as the calibration? |
| 18:55:51 | BZFlag | Aelhaz: curtis might be interested in that one. hmmm. actuall I know someone that definitely is. how much do you want for it? I could even give you twice what you paid for it. (I'm not counting shipping ;-) |
| 18:56:31 | Aelhaz | bznix: Curtis was telling me he's bought two of the linksys cards i said might work, we oughta ask him if he's tried that |
| 18:56:41 | Aelhaz | bznix: twice what i paid would prolly cover it :) |
| 18:56:53 | Aelhaz | sold that cardbus nic to dan, btw |
| 18:57:07 | BZFlag | ok |
| 18:57:56 | mallum | tanstaafl: yeah then it locks up, I switching back to the usual images so I can figure out if this kingston card is working corectly |
| 19:01:59 | tanstaafl | i hope it is, my kingston should be here tomorrow. |
| 19:02:25 | mallum | tanstaafl: we'll know in a minute ... flashing the ramdisk now |
| 19:05:16 | mallum | kingston have stopped making these right ? |
| 19:12:58 | Aelhaz | still trying to think up a simple way to bodge together something to hold itself against the circuit board while unlocking flash . . . |
| 19:15:19 | nikos | is back |
| 19:15:46 | mallum | cardcrl insert is saying something like ... |
| 19:16:10 | mallum | Shannon...socket(): CS asked for 5v applying 3.3v |
| 19:16:25 | Aelhaz | normal |
| 19:16:48 | Aelhaz | what's ifconfig -a say? |
| 19:17:29 | mallum | just showing lo |
| 19:18:14 | mallum | cardmgr[44]: initialising socket 1 |
| 19:18:28 | mallum | cardmgr[44]: unsuported card in socket 1 |
| 19:19:05 | mallum | cardmgr[44]: product info "kingston" "Ethernet CIO10T""991203" "Rev.A" |
| 19:19:40 | mallum | cardmgr[44]: manfid 0x0186, 0x0110 function: 6 (network) |
| 19:20:05 | mallum | they waits till I hit return... |
| 19:20:20 | Aelhaz | hmm |
| 19:20:25 | Aelhaz | That's fixable |
| 19:20:44 | mallum | whats it mean ? |
| 19:20:47 | Aelhaz | just need to add a line to /etc/pcmcia/config |
| 19:20:55 | mallum | ok |
| 19:20:56 | Aelhaz | it means that cardmgr doesn't know what driver to use |
| 19:21:02 | Aelhaz | well, a stanza, rather |
| 19:21:31 | mallum | aha, thought they could be it - it wants to use pcnet-cs.o ? |
| 19:21:44 | Aelhaz | yeah |
| 19:21:46 | Aelhaz | so . . |
| 19:21:57 | Aelhaz | card "kingston" "Ethernet CIO10T""991203" "Rev.A" |
| 19:22:01 | Aelhaz | er |
| 19:22:05 | Aelhaz | rathre |
| 19:22:12 | Aelhaz | card "Kingston CIO10T" |
| 19:22:20 | Aelhaz | version "kingston" "Ethernet CIO10T""991203" "Rev.A" |
| 19:22:38 | Aelhaz | manfid 0x0186, 0x0110 |
| 19:22:44 | Aelhaz | bind "pcnet_cs" |
| 19:22:46 | Aelhaz | there |
| 19:23:28 | mallum | Aelhaz: I see, the info cardmgr is there to help you enter that line |
| 19:23:31 | Aelhaz | could prolly just add that to the end |
| 19:23:33 | Aelhaz | yup |
| 19:23:48 | Aelhaz | easy-peasy |
| 19:24:38 | Aelhaz | http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/doc/PCMCIA-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| 19:26:14 | mallum | can I not use device, class, module like other entrys ? |
| 19:26:25 | Aelhaz | don't need to |
| 19:26:36 | Aelhaz | at least it appears you don't need to |
| 19:26:41 | Aelhaz | I've done this sort of thing before |
| 19:28:18 | Aelhaz | device, class, module sets up new drivers |
| 19:28:24 | Aelhaz | you're just setting up a new card |
| 19:29:03 | mallum | hates vi |
| 19:29:38 | Aelhaz | You could probably use cat to append the stuff to the end of the file . . . |
| 19:29:43 | Aelhaz | <-- vi impared |
| 19:29:49 | Aelhaz | <-- needs to learn how to use it some day |
| 19:29:55 | BZFlag | it should work to create a ctio10t.conf with the right text in it. then you can put up that file for DL. |
| 19:30:19 | BZFlag | in /etc/pcmcia/ctio10t.conf |
| 19:30:42 | mallum | knows 4 keys a,i,x,zz |
| 19:31:49 | Aelhaz | hmm, daid hinds says the te100-pc16 actually isn't asix based, but the manufacturer id says it is, I'll update the wiki later, when i have a browser accessable that won't munge the whole page |
| 19:33:24 | Aelhaz | david, too |
| 19:33:43 | Morn | Hi everyone. |
| 19:33:50 | Morn | I'm new to the TuxScreen |
| 19:35:01 | Aelhaz | hi |
| 19:35:05 | Aelhaz | have you a tuxscreen? |
| 19:35:29 | BZFlag | didn't know zz was a key |
| 19:35:39 | Morn | Yes, just got it yesterday |
| 19:35:50 | Aelhaz | Neat |
| 19:36:10 | BZFlag | they keep heading out the door... one more getting shipped today. |
| 19:36:13 | CosmicPenguin | WOOOOO-HOOOOOO! I have my Trendnet in hand! |
| 19:36:31 | mallum | is suprised BZFlag dont have a 'zz' key ;) |
| 19:37:04 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Sorry, that nasty thing called work got in the way..... :( |
| 19:37:06 | BZFlag | thinks perhaps the key between the Screen- and Ctrl should be labeled zz? |
| 19:38:19 | mallum | anyone know the vi combo to get to the end of a file ? |
| 19:38:36 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: You've used your touchscreen before, right? |
| 19:38:39 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: :$ |
| 19:39:17 | mallum | like a esc > in my favourite beast of an editor |
| 19:39:36 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yep ts worked with inferno |
| 19:39:46 | Morn | is finding vim to be invaluable |
| 19:40:06 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: You were using the kernel that I had in 0.2 also? |
| 19:40:37 | CosmicPenguin | <--- Is suffering from "works on my machine" syndrome...... |
| 19:40:48 | mallum | learns :n on vi |
| 19:41:57 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: yep flashed kernel + ramdisk from both versions |
| 19:42:02 | BZFlag | mallum: G |
| 19:42:38 | mallum | tanstaafl: not having much luck with that addition to the Cofig file - its still giving me the same messgae |
| 19:42:51 | tanstaafl | mallum are you having touch screen issues? |
| 19:42:52 | BZFlag | mallum: you restarted cardmgr? |
| 19:43:09 | mallum | BZFlag: uh, only cardctl ... |
| 19:43:19 | BZFlag | need to restart cardmgr |
| 19:43:29 | BZFlag | a killall -HUP cardmgr might work |
| 19:44:05 | Aelhaz | on my notebook, restarting cardmgr causes multiple oops's |
| 19:44:25 | Aelhaz | david hinds doesn't know why, but admits that toshiba cardbus bridges are quirky |
| 19:44:27 | mallum | BZFlag: restarted /etc/init.d/pcmcia |
| 19:44:33 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: That really worries me, because I can't seem to break the thing....... |
| 19:44:48 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: If you are at a shell prompt, cat you cat the touchscreen device and get stuff? |
| 19:45:09 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: one sec ... |
| 19:46:39 | mallum | BZFlag: the HUP did it but cardmgr is complaining of an error in my config file |
| 19:47:05 | mallum | Im gonna check the HOW-TO, understand what Im doing ... |
| 19:48:56 | BZFlag | card "Kingston CIO10T" |
| 19:48:56 | BZFlag | version "kingston", "Ethernet CIO10T""991203", "Rev.A" |
| 19:48:56 | BZFlag | manfid 0x0186, 0x0110 |
| 19:48:56 | BZFlag | bind "pcnet_cs" |
| 19:49:12 | BZFlag | Aelhaz was missing the ","s on the version line. |
| 19:49:19 | Aelhaz | bznix: Ergh, yeah, i was |
| 19:49:36 | Aelhaz | er, BZFlag: |
| 19:49:56 | BZFlag | wonders who bznix is.. hello bznix! |
| 19:50:20 | tanstaafl | ix nay |
| 19:50:30 | bznix | what? |
| 19:50:45 | tanstaafl | just being silly |
| 19:50:52 | BZFlag | what's the "bz" for? |
| 19:51:25 | bznix | nothing special |
| 19:51:31 | mallum | BZFlag: ifconfig -a shows eth0 :) |
| 19:51:38 | tanstaafl | excellent |
| 19:51:42 | mallum | I was missing the comma's |
| 19:52:13 | BZFlag | what is the working version line? |
| 19:52:24 | Aelhaz | mallum: sorry about that, if i were actually editing my file i would have noticed i forgot 'em |
| 19:52:36 | mallum | eth0: NE2000 Compatible: io 0xf7000300, irq 48, auto xcvr, hw_addr 00:C0:F0:60:4 |
| 19:52:40 | mallum | Aelhaz: np |
| 19:53:19 | BZFlag | mallum: what's the working version line? the one I pasted still didn't work for me. |
| 19:53:24 | tanstaafl | mallum any luck with cat /dev/ts? |
| 19:53:54 | BZFlag | should work without a version line though. |
| 19:54:35 | mallum | BZFlag: version line ? in the config file ? |
| 19:54:50 | mallum | tanstaafl: cat /dev/ts - no such file or directory |
| 19:55:18 | tanstaafl | mknod /dev/ts c 11 0 |
| 19:55:25 | BZFlag | yeah. the one I pasted it still didn't like. If I comment the version line out, the manfid is enough to make cardmgr happy. |
| 19:55:57 | mallum | BZFlag: this is what I put in; |
| 19:55:58 | mallum | card "Kingston CIO10T" |
| 19:55:58 | mallum | version "Kingston", "Ethernet CIO10T", "991203", "Rev.A" |
| 19:55:58 | mallum | bind "pcnet_cs" |
| 19:55:59 | BZFlag | wishes his card where here. |
| 19:56:24 | tanstaafl | i'm getting impatient too |
| 19:57:17 | BZFlag | mallum: ahh, ok. it liked that. care to add it to the PCMCIA wiki page? |
| 19:57:18 | mallum | tanstaafl: catting /dev/ts gives nothing |
| 19:57:32 | BZFlag | mallum: then touch the screen. |
| 19:57:51 | mallum | BZFlag: I am :( |
| 19:58:04 | tanstaafl | hmm. it's not just me |
| 19:58:37 | Morn | Anyone know how to make sendmail log SMTP AUTH errors? |
| 20:00:56 | mallum | BZFlag: I dont see a ctio10t.conf file ? |
| 20:00:58 | Aelhaz | sendmail makes my head hurt |
| 20:01:24 | Aelhaz | mallum: think he was suggesting you make one, as another option |
| 20:02:24 | mallum | Aelhaz: oh ok, I see the config file will just include it |
| 20:02:29 | Morn | sendmail is ok if you get it configured properly... but right now I'm getting weird smtp auth errors and want to track them down |
| 20:08:36 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: tanstaafl: Do you suppose that my kernel is going nuts on you???? |
| 20:09:01 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: maybe... |
| 20:09:16 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Of course, that makes no sense whatsoever.... |
| 20:10:46 | tanstaafl | i'm trying 0.3/zImage-2.4.6-rmk2-np1-tux3-pcmcia-ts |
| 20:10:48 | tanstaafl | i'll let you know if it works |
| 20:12:57 | Aelhaz | Think i might have thought up a new jig for unlocking the flash . . . gonna try and build one tonight |
| 20:16:34 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: tanstaafl just tried his TS with Tim's kernel --- no joy |
| 20:17:26 | tanstaafl | waah |
| 20:17:37 | tanstaafl | i'm going to try tim's rootfs too just in case |
| 20:20:23 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: thats what I tried with version .1 |
| 20:21:15 | Morn | Is it needed to disassemble the unit to do the install of linux? |
| 20:21:48 | mallum | curses mozilla's textarea |
| 20:22:30 | Aelhaz | mallum: could be worse, opera inserts extra whitespaces and carrage returns |
| 20:24:43 | mallum | phew - wiki updated |
| 20:27:51 | mallum | I can ping my phone :) |
| 20:28:46 | tanstaafl | awesome |
| 20:29:05 | mallum | heh |
| 20:29:53 | tanstaafl | still no luck on /dev/ts |
| 20:30:14 | CosmicPenguin | Morn: disassemble no.... but you do get to play with electricity... :) |
| 20:30:28 | Morn | shorts herself out. |
| 20:30:34 | Morn | zaaaap |
| 20:30:42 | tanstaafl | it only hurts until the pain goes away |
| 20:31:14 | Aelhaz | Morn: You do have to apply 12v to a couple points under the sodimm for a few seconds |
| 20:31:24 | mallum | 12v from a car battery ;) |
| 20:31:37 | tanstaafl | it's a 2 person job |
| 20:31:45 | Morn | doesn't have a spare car battery |
| 20:31:45 | tanstaafl | ideally |
| 20:31:50 | Morn | doesn't even have a car! |
| 20:32:00 | mallum | girlfriends are handy |
| 20:32:14 | Morn | Does it require soldering? |
| 20:32:19 | cworthAWAY | I found an old 12V wall-wort and just clipped off the connector. |
| 20:32:31 | cworthAWAY | Morn: no, just a quick connect of 12V. |
| 20:32:55 | Aelhaz | soldering is one way to do it, tho |
| 20:32:58 | andersee | Anybody know if this will work? http://www.dlink.com/products/adapters/dfe670txd/ |
| 20:33:12 | Phondew | Johnny 5 no disassemble |
| 20:33:36 | Morn | is trying to avoid soldering if possible... though I may hae to do that to install familiar on my iPAQ |
| 20:34:05 | Aelhaz | andersee: it's speculated that it should work . . . . |
| 20:34:41 | Aelhaz | andersee: curtis says he bought a couple linksys pcm100's that are speculated to work, dunno if he brought them in, he doesn't have linux on his phones yet |
| 20:35:34 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, who messed with the PCMCIA wiki????????? |
| 20:35:43 | Aelhaz | mallum did, mallum did . . . |
| 20:36:31 | Aelhaz | what's wrong with it? |
| 20:37:01 | CosmicPenguin | Lots and lots of empty space...... |
| 20:37:11 | CosmicPenguin | Kind of like southern utah, but without the polygamists.... :) |
| 20:37:40 | Aelhaz | heh, opera inserted a lot of empty space but i thought i edited out almost all of it yesterday |
| 20:39:21 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: the empty space was already there, Im innocent guv |
| 20:40:52 | BZFlag | is here again. |
| 20:40:58 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Just playing around.... |
| 20:41:05 | mallum | I know :) |
| 20:42:07 | Aelhaz | I've been melvined . . . . . |
| 20:42:07 | tanstaafl | bzflag, i grabbed the latest kernel from tuxscreen.net/downloads/0.3 (zImage-2.4.6-rmk2-np1-tux3-pcmcia-ts) and rootfs-20010809a.jffs2 |
| 20:42:24 | Aelhaz | melvin just dumped three cd-r's on my desk, and a big box o' stuff . . . cya later folks |
| 20:42:28 | mallum | Aelhaz: melvined ? |
| 20:42:29 | tanstaafl | after it booted, I did: mknod /dev/ts c 11 0 |
| 20:42:53 | tanstaafl | does that appear correct to you? mallum and I are both getting no response |
| 20:43:22 | tanstaafl | i want to be absolutely 100% that i'm doing the right thing |
| 20:43:41 | tanstaafl | the test I'm doing is "cat /dev/ts" and then touching the screen |
| 20:44:06 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: looks right. I don't think I got anything from cat either. don't know why |
| 20:44:13 | BZFlag | but the X server did work. |
| 20:44:34 | tanstaafl | perhaps it used /dev/h3600_ts? what is your major/minor for that device |
| 20:44:50 | BZFlag | strace showed it opening /dev/ts |
| 20:45:06 | BZFlag | though it may have opened another /dev/*ts* device as well. |
| 20:45:36 | BZFlag | I have these: |
| 20:45:46 | BZFlag | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2 Aug 22 13:21 h3600_ts -> ts |
| 20:45:46 | BZFlag | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Aug 22 13:21 h3600_tsraw -> tsraw |
| 20:45:46 | BZFlag | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 11, 0 Aug 10 04:02 ts |
| 20:45:46 | BZFlag | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 254, 0 Dec 8 2000 ts.old |
| 20:45:46 | BZFlag | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 254, 1 Dec 8 2000 tsraw |
| 20:46:17 | BZFlag | IIRC is was opening ts and h3600_ts which are both the same. |
| 20:47:22 | tanstaafl | and it's Xipaq that you're using, not Xfbdev? |
| 20:47:53 | BZFlag | It's Xipaq, but I think I just renamed it so that the Debian Xfbdev would not overwrite it. |
| 20:48:11 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: tanstaafl: My question is why 'cat /dev/ts" won't work with my kernel on tanstaafl's box, when it works fine on mine |
| 20:53:16 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: no idea. =( |
| 20:53:32 | tanstaafl | that's my question too, but if tim's "cat /dev/ts" doesn't return anything when he touches the screen, maybe there's hope |
| 20:53:33 | BZFlag | same cat binary? |
| 20:53:56 | tanstaafl | bzflag which X binary do you have? |
| 20:54:06 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: and did you start/stop microwindows before doing the cat? |
| 20:54:08 | tanstaafl | I suppose it's from debian and not statically linked or anything |
| 20:54:40 | BZFlag | the cat that didn't work for me was the busybox cat in the jffs2 image. |
| 20:55:16 | mallum | thats what I've been using |
| 20:55:18 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Nope... Actually, I was having problems getting microwindows to read() the TS, but 'cat' was working great... it was driving me crazy |
| 20:55:26 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: yes. dymanically linked ipaq binary from an older hh distro. 0.19 perhaps? running on a debian install. |
| 20:55:42 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: until I found out that the TS returns 0 if you didn't pass in a big enough buffer |
| 20:56:03 | CosmicPenguin | <------ Reflashing to test PCMCIA card...... |
| 20:56:14 | BZFlag | ahh.. perhaps the bb cat is trying a byte at a time then? |
| 20:56:44 | BZFlag | mallum, tanstaafl: try dd if=/dev/ts out. |
| 20:56:49 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: Maybe, but I was using the bb cat with no problems on my system, so I can't tell you.... |
| 20:57:27 | CosmicPenguin | mallum, tanstaafl: If you can open the file, then the device exists.... |
| 20:57:39 | BZFlag | nods at CosmicPenguin |
| 20:57:40 | CosmicPenguin | But I'm sure you already knew that.... :) |
| 20:58:36 | tanstaafl | here's what I tried: dd if=/dev/ts bs=8192 of=/dev/stdout |
| 20:58:38 | tanstaafl | no luck |
| 20:59:09 | CosmicPenguin | Hehe... This trendnet actually has an arrow showing which side should be inserted.... even though there is a huge dongle-free attachment on the other side.... :) |
| 20:59:39 | Russ | CosmicPenguin: some people are confused easily |
| 21:01:28 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: BZFlag: Did we stick pump on the original rootfs? |
| 21:02:16 | Russ | no, put udhcp on there :) |
| 21:03:45 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: no. no dhcp client yet. |
| 21:04:08 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I'll steal it from the Ipaq stuff.... |
| 21:04:10 | BZFlag | Russ: how's that coming? ready for testing? |
| 21:04:17 | CosmicPenguin | unless tanstaafl has a static ip to give me... :) |
| 21:04:39 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, tanstaafl, I need a network cable. I'm coming back, wait one.... |
| 21:04:41 | BZFlag | tanstaafl: omit the of= |
| 21:09:31 | CosmicPenguin | I am 1 ip address away from browsing the net..... |
| 21:09:49 | andersee | is putting the final polish on busybox 0.60.1 |
| 21:12:02 | mallum | andersee: cool, what sort of state is netkit-tiny in - is it usable ? |
| 21:12:49 | Russ | BZFlag: udhcp? yah, works great, client and server |
| 21:13:02 | CosmicPenguin | pump on the ipaq is bigger than half the apps on my TuxScreen right now... :( |
| 21:13:05 | Russ | little rough around the edges |
| 21:14:33 | BZFlag | Russ: wanna build a new jffs2 with telnet and udhcp client? |
| 21:15:40 | BZFlag | Russ: oh, and I rebuilt blob with the memory debugging set on, but have not yet flashed an booted. have to wait till I get home tonight. |
| 21:30:28 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I can ping internally, but the gateway wasn't added for some reason..... |
| 21:30:53 | CosmicPenguin | And the browser doesn' |
| 21:30:57 | CosmicPenguin | 't work.... :( |
| 21:32:44 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: :( |
| 21:32:54 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: is resolv.conf set up ? |
| 21:34:22 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Sure is, I can ping all over the place, but I can't get past the gateway |
| 21:35:00 | CosmicPenguin | Route shows that the gateway isn't set, but I'll be damned if I can add it -- BB must have different params than the regular route |
| 21:35:27 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: domain and nameserver both set in resolv.conf |
| 21:36:08 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: No joy..... |
| 21:36:22 | CosmicPenguin | blzbubba: ViewML did not work.... :( |
| 21:36:59 | mallum | CosmicPenguin: did ViewML dump core ? |
| 21:38:21 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Nope, it just doesn't go out and do the search.... I must be missing something that w3c-libwww wants to see.... |
| 21:38:39 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I can browse local files though..... |
| 21:42:30 | mallum | well thats a start |
| 21:44:49 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: I figured it out, and the answer pisses me off... :) |
| 21:45:16 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Since i had to compile ViewML (a C++ program) with glibc, it wants to use the libnss_* files, which naturally don't exist..... |
| 21:45:29 | mallum | linnss ? |
| 21:45:42 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: So it can't figure out the DNS..... If i type in the ip address to viewml, it works great.... |
| 21:45:51 | CosmicPenguin | ARGHHHHHH! |
| 21:47:14 | blzbubba | dns is overrated anyway |
| 21:47:23 | mallum | can you fix that in the viewml source ? |
| 21:48:31 | CosmicPenguin | I think its a glibc problem..... |
| 21:48:49 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Is there a way to tell glibc not to use libnss for searching? |
| 21:49:58 | CosmicPenguin | mallum: Or at least, its a libwww problem..... |
| 21:52:52 | Russ | you need files in /etc |
| 21:54:16 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Advice? |
| 21:54:43 | Russ | did you read the ns switch man pages, etc? |
| 21:54:47 | andersee | fyi -- busybox-0.60.1.tar.gz just hit the ftp site |
| 21:56:11 | CosmicPenguin | andersee: Cool..... |
| 21:56:28 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I will check it out, I was just being lazy and hoping for the quick fix.... |
| 21:56:46 | Russ | yah, there are a bunch of files that tell libnss what to do |
| 21:57:54 | Russ | is off to do battle with the office of finacial aid |
| 21:58:04 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: But I don't want to have to put the libnss stuff on the jffs image if I can avoid it.... |
| 21:58:44 | Russ | well, if you compiled viewML statically, its on there |
| 21:59:02 | Russ | and so you need its config files |
| 21:59:03 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, ok... but it still needs the conf file? |
| 21:59:09 | CosmicPenguin | Bonus.... :) |
| 21:59:47 | Russ | a library that reads a conf file is odd, but some do it |
| 22:00:04 | Russ | mainly authentication and nameserver stuff |
| 22:04:17 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: I added hosts: files dns to /etc/nsswitch.conf, but still no joy... :( |
| 22:13:53 | mallum | night all, CosmicPenguin I hope you have some success |
| 22:14:47 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, so I got the gateway working, but still can't do the DNS...... |
| 22:16:54 | CosmicPenguin | Also, sourceforge requires a HTML 4.0 compliant browser..... |
| 22:19:43 | Russ | resolv.conf? |
| 22:20:18 | CosmicPenguin | Russ: Set... I can ping remote names no problem...... |
| 22:20:45 | Russ | so you have nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf |
| 22:20:58 | Russ | class |
| 22:21:03 | CosmicPenguin | Yep.... |
| 22:21:31 | CosmicPenguin | Quick test -- putting libnss_dns on the device.... |
| 22:21:54 | Russ | quick |
| 22:22:03 | Russ | does libnss_dns link to something? |
| 22:22:31 | CosmicPenguin | Its only 9K |
| 22:23:04 | andersee | libresolv |
| 22:23:30 | Russ | shouldn't bb ping be able to resolve names with just resolv.conf (compiled against uclibc) |
| 22:24:03 | CosmicPenguin | And it does........... |
| 22:24:05 | andersee | yup, it should. Havn't check recently, but it should. |
| 22:24:52 | andersee | uClibc just reads /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts directly and uses those for its resolver |
| 22:27:17 | CosmicPenguin | adding libnss_dns did not work for ViewML... |
| 22:27:30 | andersee | did you also add libresolv? |
| 22:27:46 | CosmicPenguin | It is already there.... |
| 22:27:57 | CosmicPenguin | Recall that ViewML is completely static.... |
| 22:28:00 | andersee | Also, did you add /etc/protocols and /etc/services? |
| 22:28:14 | andersee | It will almost certianly be doing a getprotobyname() |
| 22:29:05 | andersee | uClibc has sane fallbacks when such things fail. glibc doesn't |
| 22:29:58 | CosmicPenguin | -- /etc/protocols and /etc/services both exist.... |
| 22:30:41 | CosmicPenguin | Maybe i can hack libwww to do what we need it to do..... |
| 22:31:07 | andersee | Do you have an /etc/hosts file? |
| 22:31:12 | CosmicPenguin | yep... |
| 22:32:00 | andersee | Hmpf. dunno man. |
| 22:33:06 | CosmicPenguin | w3c-libwww is very definately doing a gethostbyname() call.... |
| 22:37:16 | andersee | gotta run |
| 22:37:17 | andersee | latr |
| 22:41:44 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, well, I guess its time to be going.... |
| 22:41:57 | CosmicPenguin | Thanks for your help Russ.... I'll have to yell at it more when I get home |
| 22:42:03 | nikos | Night CosmicPenguin |
| 22:42:59 | CosmicPenguin | At least I'm finding lots of bugs to fix... :) |