| 00:40:56 | | bzflag was last seen on #handhelds.org 58 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Thu Jun 7 00:42:53 2001] |
| 00:40:56 | finalfantasydog | seen bzflag |
| 00:55:29 | BZFlag | ibot: traceroute rikers.org |
| 00:59:47 | | I hope you millionaires are having fun! I just invested half your life savings in yeast!! |
| 00:59:47 | BZFlag | yow |
| 01:00:19 | | wish i knew, jacques_idle |
| 01:00:19 | jacques_idle | ibot: how did you do that? |
| 01:02:23 | | These PRESERVES should be FORCE-FED to PENTAGON OFFICIALS!! |
| 01:02:23 | BZFlag | yow |
| 01:02:42 | jacques_idle | zippie |
| 01:02:47 | jacques_idle | pinhead |
| 01:02:47 | BZFlag | be zippy |
| 01:02:54 | | I hope the ``Eurythmics'' practice birth control ... |
| 01:02:54 | BZFlag | ibot: be zippy |
| 01:02:55 | jacques_idle | zippy |
| 01:19:03 | | jacques_idle is nothing but a malt-wormy half-mouthful of common-kissing buzzard gizzards. |
| 01:19:03 | BZFlag | ibot: insult jacques_idle |
| 01:19:22 | | BZFlag is nothing but a pickled mound of tottering rat retch. |
| 01:19:22 | jacques_idle | ibot: insult BZFlag |
| 01:19:27 | jacques_idle | heh |
| 01:35:17 | | jacques_idle is nothing but a festering plate of swag-bellied urine samples. |
| 01:35:17 | BZFlag | ibot: insult jacques_idle |
| 01:36:46 | jacques_idle | ouch |
| 01:36:50 | jacques_idle | yow |
| 01:37:05 | | BZFlag again is nothing but a decayed gob of acidic Sun IPC manuals. |
| 01:37:05 | jacques_idle | ibot: insult BZFlag again |
| 01:37:20 | jacques_idle | hmmm |
| 01:37:29 | jacques_idle | that's pretty low |
| 02:14:08 | | ibot is nothing but a ruttish accumulation of warped pond scum. |
| 02:14:08 | nelson | ibot: insult ibot |
| 02:15:23 | | bugger all, i dunno, finalfantasydog |
| 02:15:23 | finalfantasydog | ibot: shirly temple? |
| 02:51:34 | | sfskdjfhskhfsiskn is nothing but a spur-galled pile of thick pond scum. |
| 02:51:34 | jacquesidle | ibot: insult sfskdjfhskhfsiskn |
| 02:56:52 | BZFlag | ibot help |
| 02:57:20 | BZFlag | rot13 foobar |
| 02:57:28 | | sbbone |
| 02:57:28 | BZFlag | ibot: rot13 foobar |
| 03:37:49 | | ftp |
| 03:37:49 | vh_ | ibot: rot13 sgc |
| 05:32:09 | | jacques: i'm not following you... |
| 05:32:09 | jacques | ibot: |
| 05:32:50 | | hi, jacques |
| 05:32:50 | jacques | hello |
| 05:33:09 | | ibot is nothing but a wretched heap of fly-bitten snake snot. |
| 05:33:09 | jacques | ibot: insult ibot |
| 05:42:24 | finalfantasydog | hey |
| 15:02:14 | vh | hey. |
| 15:02:24 | | bzflag was last seen on #handhelds.org 10 hours, 7 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: <private message> [Thu Jun 7 05:54:52 2001] |
| 15:02:24 | vh | ibot: seen bzflag |
| 15:47:44 | nikos | is away: Getting food |
| 16:08:24 | nikos | is back |
| 16:23:42 | nikos | 'lo BZFlag |
| 16:26:28 | BZFlag | yo |
| 16:27:13 | BZFlag | paypal tim@rikers.org is setup if folks want to order now. no jtag dongles or cables here yet though. |
| 16:27:24 | nikos | Cool. |
| 16:37:35 | vh | bzflag, hmmpf |
| 16:39:20 | BZFlag | hmmpf? |
| 16:39:37 | vh | still wondering the delivery method. |
| 16:40:15 | vh | well, ach, I'll go and receive the packets myself, no bother hiring a courier. |
| 16:40:40 | nikos | vh: Just specify whatever delivery method you want. |
| 16:40:50 | BZFlag | it's up to you. just pick one wnd tell me who to call. Do you have any folk like Mailboxes, Etc. that do a lot of packaging and shipping to/from the us that you could call for a recommendation? |
| 16:41:01 | vh | nikos, No, i'm just wondering myself. |
| 16:41:13 | nikos | vh: I see. |
| 16:41:55 | nikos | I would think either Mail or UPS would work. |
| 16:42:04 | nikos | You can check either on the websites. |
| 16:42:15 | vh | i've checked usps, ups, fedex, dhl. |
| 16:42:23 | vh | dhl is most expensive. |
| 16:42:29 | vh | usps is cheapest. |
| 16:42:59 | vh | now it's only a question whether I can physically go to the customs, and fill the papers, or hire someone else do it. |
| 16:43:23 | vh | and bringing the package to me. |
| 16:43:28 | vh | I'll do it myself. |
| 16:43:35 | nikos | Ach, complicated... |
| 16:46:42 | BZFlag | can the papers be filled out in advance and mail to me? then I would attach them to the package? |
| 17:37:04 | boodle | vh: if you're in/near a uni, there are usually ads everywhere for freight transport co's in student union bulletin boards |
| 17:37:31 | boodle | vh: cheap+cheerful.. they can help |
| 17:59:39 | vh | boodle, well, it's not very cheap to finland. |
| 18:01:13 | boodle | vh: understood.. just they can handle all the paperwork for import/tariffs, etc. |
| 18:01:43 | nikos | Can you work the 'sending back for repair' angle? ;) |
| 18:03:50 | vh | dont know. dont want to take a risk.. |
| 18:04:30 | nikos | Yeah. :) |
| 18:04:34 | nikos | wb cworth |
| 18:08:30 | cworth | greetings |
| 18:10:43 | cworth | so I've been oblivious to this channel until now... |
| 18:11:07 | nikos | As you can see, it's mostly the usual crowd. |
| 18:11:19 | nikos | cworth: Check out the wiki if you haven't done so. |
| 18:13:34 | gjg | Hey |
| 18:24:51 | cworth | yes, looking throught the wiki and pictures now... |
| 18:24:57 | cworth | oh, hi Tim |
| 18:25:11 | gjg | cworth: hey |
| 18:28:22 | cworth | BZFlag: is that your garage full of boxes? is anything for sale, yet? If so, I'm ready for 1-3 of these. |
| 18:30:14 | nikos | cworth: Click on TimRiker link |
| 18:30:23 | nikos | <BZFlag> paypal tim@rikers.org is setup if folks want to order now. no jtag dongles or cables here yet though. |
| 18:32:13 | vh | i bought 2 for now.. |
| 18:32:33 | gjg | Tuxscreens for everyone, on cworth! |
| 18:32:58 | vh | i'll need to get at least 2-3 more :) |
| 18:35:41 | BZFlag | cworth: yep. I'd love to get my cars back in there... ;-) |
| 18:36:51 | cworth | BZFlag: heh. I like the pics with the boy, (your son?), on top of the boxes... :) |
| 18:36:55 | nikos | The other channels are getting too crowded. I'll have to start using this one for snide remarks. ;) |
| 18:37:08 | vh | cworth, i like them too. |
| 18:37:39 | cworth | BZFlag: cool. so right now it would have part-functional Inferno, right? |
| 18:38:00 | cworth | BZFlag: and no hope for new bootloaders until JTAG cables? |
| 18:38:39 | cworth | gjg: just don't reveal that paypal password I gave you... OK? |
| 18:39:45 | vh | cworth's offering free tuxes?:) |
| 18:40:34 | gjg | cworth: cworthisgod is the word |
| 18:40:37 | gjg | ack.. |
| 18:45:06 | BZFlag | cworth: yes. Inferno is running on them. It has a web browser, email, etc. will only use the modem to connect to sny standard isp. |
| 18:45:16 | BZFlag | oh, and phone works too. ;-) |
| 18:45:28 | BZFlag | I have not tried the callerid, but I expect that works. |
| 18:45:55 | | No luck, BZFlag |
| 18:45:55 | BZFlag | ibot: insult nikos |
| 18:46:02 | gjg | can you plug an ethernet card into the pcmcia slot? |
| 18:46:17 | BZFlag | gjg, you can, but it won't work. ;-) |
| 18:46:24 | gjg | hm |
| 18:46:34 | nikos | How "hackable" is inferno? |
| 18:46:46 | gjg | is there a serial port? can you run ppp over it? |
| 18:46:49 | nikos | Can we add support for such things? Or should we just be moving to Linux? |
| 18:46:58 | BZFlag | I hear that the now defunct TDKLan board is supported by the bootloader, not sure if inferno supports is as well or not. I don't have one. |
| 18:47:52 | BZFlag | nikos: I'd rather move to Linux, but there is an Inferno news group and some Inferno source is downloadable. It looks like it is redistributeable to, though I'm not sure of that. |
| 18:48:09 | BZFlag | I do not have source to the code that is installed in the phones though. |
| 18:48:31 | gjg | BZFlag: so you mean to tell us that with 1200 phones you still dont have one booting Linux? |
| 18:48:32 | nikos | I thought only the apps were available as source, not the lower level stuff. |
| 18:48:32 | BZFlag | so either way would probably involve porting efforts. I'd rather to Linux. |
| 18:48:44 | nikos | BZFlag: Makes sense to me. |
| 18:48:46 | BZFlag | I hear the Inferno folk are working on an iPAQ port... ;-) |
| 18:49:08 | BZFlag | gjg: yes, one serial port. can't find ppp on Inferno. |
| 18:49:27 | BZFlag | serial port works from early blob loader that I've installed. |
| 18:50:27 | BZFlag | gjg: I just got them monday, give a few days huh? |
| 18:50:37 | gjg | No! Now! NOW NOW NOW! |
| 18:50:39 | gjg | :) |
| 18:51:07 | BZFlag | wacks gjg over the head with 12,600 lbs of phones. |
| 18:51:17 | gjg | ouch |
| 18:51:20 | BZFlag | hehe |
| 18:52:18 | BZFlag | actually I've sold about 15 now since monday so delete 140 lbs or so. |
| 18:52:59 | gjg | I'll probabyl snag one once my paypal account clears :) |
| 18:53:49 | BZFlag | cool. be sure to include shipping info + price. one by usps to US should be less than $15 or so. |
| 18:56:35 | digdude | I'll probably snag a couple too once gjg's paypal account clears... |
| 18:57:20 | digdude | ok, actually, i'm -$300 in my bank account right now or I would have ordered my own already. and one for the 'dog so he doesn't lurk here so much... ;) |
| 18:58:03 | nikos | BZFlag: You are clearing enough to at least pay the paypal fees aren't you? |
| 18:58:13 | gjg | haha TCL apps look like ass in ion. |
| 18:58:21 | nikos | BZFlag: Or should we add a few dollars for the fees? |
| 18:58:40 | nikos | Ass is good. |
| 18:58:51 | gjg | It looks like black ass. |
| 18:58:58 | gjg | with a hint of blue. |
| 18:59:59 | gjg | speaking of ass, is anyone good at gtk themes? |
| 19:02:50 | cworth | BZFlag: OK, just got off the phone with my wife. I'm good for one now, and my boss wants 1 or 2. |
| 19:03:53 | cworth | BZFlag: what would you want for shipping 3 within the US? |
| 19:05:23 | mallum | hi all |
| 19:05:27 | nikos | BZFlag: Got the weight on a single one fully boxed up? |
| 19:05:29 | nikos | Hey mallum |
| 19:06:15 | mallum | hi nikos, whats this tuxscreen thing - I can get at tuxscreen.net ? |
| 19:06:23 | nikos | mallum: Check the URL. |
| 19:06:39 | nikos | mallum: And see the URL in the /topic |
| 19:07:16 | nikos | BZFlag: ~10 lbs? |
| 19:07:19 | gjg | BZFlag: Do you have some info on them? if so I can pass it along to my LUG. |
| 19:07:23 | mallum | nikos: can only get at the sourceforge url |
| 19:07:32 | gjg | a web site that is. |
| 19:07:43 | nikos | http://tuxscreen.net/ |
| 19:07:51 | nikos | http://tuxscreen.net/wiki/ |
| 19:08:01 | gjg | nikos: does that have info on who to contact to buy? |
| 19:08:05 | nikos | gjg, mallum: Fit the bill? |
| 19:08:12 | nikos | gjg: Click on the TimRiker link. |
| 19:08:13 | mallum | nikos: yeah am checking that |
| 19:08:55 | mallum | BZFlag: would you ship to the UK ? |
| 19:09:51 | nikos | mallum: If you pay for it, I'm sure he's happy to ship it anywhere. |
| 19:11:20 | gjg | nikos: that works. |
| 19:16:18 | gjg | BZFlag: I'll pass this along. |
| 19:25:57 | mallum | but this thing dosn't boot linux yet ...... right ? |
| 19:26:30 | nikos | no |
| 19:26:37 | nikos | Has inferno on it right now. |
| 19:26:43 | mallum | do you know how close it is ? |
| 19:26:47 | | well, inferno is http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/ |
| 19:26:47 | mallum | inferno ? |
| 19:26:59 | gjg | mallum: I dont think it boots Linux at all. |
| 19:26:59 | | :) |
| 19:26:59 | nikos | ibot: Have a botsnack |
| 19:29:20 | mallum | nikos: do you have one ? |
| 19:29:30 | nikos | No, I'm going to wait for JTAG dongles. |
| 19:29:43 | nikos | I just like to try to be a know-it-all. ;) |
| 19:30:34 | mallum | ;) |
| 19:30:44 | mallum | ok whats a JTAG doggle ......? |
| 19:31:39 | nikos | Um, it lets you install bootloaders. Maybe someone else has a more complete answer. |
| 19:31:52 | | somebody said JTAG was already on the IPAQ ??? |
| 19:31:52 | nikos | JTAG? |
| 19:32:00 | nikos | Heh |
| 19:32:04 | nikos | Not the answer I was looking for. |
| 19:32:08 | | nikos: I forgot jtag |
| 19:32:08 | nikos | ibot: forget JTAG |
| 19:35:44 | mallum | nikos: JTag is needed for the thing to boot into Linux - right ? |
| 19:36:09 | nikos | mallum: No. |
| 19:36:29 | nikos | mallum: My understanding is JTAG allows you to work with FLASH whether or not you have a working bootloader. |
| 19:36:50 | nikos | mallum: But it's not required for booting once you have a bootloader. |
| 19:37:25 | mallum | ok ..... I think. |
| 19:39:19 | nikos | What's a 'Shannon'? |
| 19:39:19 | nikos | If you don't already know, then this page isn't for you. |
| 19:39:26 | nikos | Then where am I supposed to find out? |
| 19:40:16 | gjg | You dont, its a big conspiracy |
| 19:40:25 | nikos | Ah, that's what I though. |
| 19:40:30 | nikos | s/though/thought/ |
| 19:40:35 | gjg | ``Unfortunately no one can be told what the Shannon is.`` |
| 19:41:46 | nikos | http://www.linuxguruz.org/foldoc/foldoc.php?JTAG |
| 19:42:15 | | ...but jtag is needed for the thing to boot into Linux - right ?... |
| 19:42:15 | nikos | ibot: JTAG is http://www.linuxguruz.org/foldoc/foldoc.php?JTAG |
| 19:42:22 | | nikos: I forgot jtag |
| 19:42:22 | nikos | ibot: forget JTAG |
| 19:42:23 | | OK, nikos. |
| 19:42:23 | nikos | ibot: JTAG is http://www.linuxguruz.org/foldoc/foldoc.php?JTAG |
| 19:45:59 | cworth | BZFlag: OK my boss, (Brian Schott), is sending off an order for 3 of the phones. |
| 19:49:10 | cworth | bye all |
| 20:18:02 | BZFlag | cworthAWAY: cool. |
| 20:20:15 | BZFlag | mallum: I am willing to ship anywhere as long as the buyer pays the expenses. |
| 20:21:04 | mallum | BZFlag: cool, do you have any idea of cost ? |
| 20:34:48 | BZFlag | for UK shipping? nope. try http://usps.gov ship from USA 84058 |
| 20:40:31 | mallum | BZFlag: do you have an approx weight ? |
| 20:42:35 | mallum | its ok, found it on the site...... |
| 20:43:51 | mallum | hmmm 31$ for surface - but 4-6 wk wait |
| 20:46:21 | mallum | BZFlag: Am I correct in assuming there'll be no chance of installing linux with out the JTAG donggle ? |
| 20:56:29 | BZFlag | no chance? no. there is not one that we have figured out yet though. |
| 20:57:02 | BZFlag | mallum: see http://tuxscreen.sourceforge.net/wiki/view//TimRiker for size and weight. |
| 20:57:15 | mallum | yes got that |
| 20:57:28 | mallum | do you accept paypal ? |
| 20:57:38 | BZFlag | ok, cool. there are 2-pack boxes to. I'll add that to the web site now... |
| 20:57:47 | BZFlag | yes. tim@rikers.org also on that page. |
| 20:59:27 | mallum | Do you think it will be possible in the future to increase its RAM ? |
| 21:00:08 | mallum | I only ask because togeather with my microdrive it would then make a nice ipaq porting platform ? |
| 21:01:05 | jacques | mallum: they can go up to at least 40MB |
| 21:01:25 | BZFlag | see the wiki links page. 8mb on board, 8mb 72 pin sodimm. the sodimm will handle a (like $65) 32M sodimm replacement for 40M |
| 21:02:45 | jacques | we don't know if they can handle the 64MB SODIMM |
| 21:03:19 | mallum | would be cool if it could |
| 21:04:04 | mallum | would then work out a lot cheaper than a netwinder ( well maybe ... microdrive cost ) |
| 21:04:07 | BZFlag | Shaggy thinks that some units have 32M on board. I have not found any though. |
| 21:04:27 | BZFlag | mallum: but nfs boot should work eventually. |
| 21:08:53 | mallum | what about the power supply - Im just thinking what'll happen on uk voltage |
| 21:09:53 | nikos | mallum: Tangent is working on that I think. |
| 21:09:56 | BZFlag | mallum: see the scrapbook for photos of one ripped apart. |
| 21:10:02 | mallum | though I have a tranformer which outputs US voltage |
| 21:10:35 | BZFlag | in short it looks like a "switching" power supply, not a transformer. it does not handle 230v though. |
| 21:11:00 | BZFlag | mallum: I expect that a transformer is the only working solution so far. |
| 21:11:16 | BZFlag | there is a PowerSupply wikei page. |
| 21:11:20 | BZFlag | we wiki |
| 21:12:14 | mallum | ok no problem. I gotta go now ( its late here ) and figure out what postage to get. Many thanks for the info |
| 21:12:35 | BZFlag | you bet |
| 21:12:47 | mallum | thanks again |