IRC log for #sporewiki on 20170401

00:00.04Cyrannianhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellard - I had no idea the characters had such in depth backstories
00:00.45Wormy_Bloody Bianca giving Wellard chocolate
00:01.17Wormy_Bianca is notable for shoting the place down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR2M5Uc-dR8
00:03.36MonetNice pair of lungs that one.
00:08.24Cyranniannightie night
00:09.08Wormy_Funny how the audo file is still vandalised https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France
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00:24.29DrodoEmpireayy lmao
01:17.44Tek0516So they released the Stellaris 1.5 patch notes
01:21.50DrodoEmpireOh?
01:22.00DrodoEmpireHow bad did they fuck it up? <.<
02:35.57Wormy_DrodoEmpire, Tek0516:  Student lands in Sydney, Canada instead of Sydney, Australia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39459471
02:36.26DrodoEmpirehoh
02:36.34DrodoEmpireIts a nice town, Sydney
02:36.38DrodoEmpireHe'll do fine
02:37.00Tek0516O.o
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02:52.20DrodoEmpireHi
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06:15.46ImpyDroidDrodoEmpire: So it was Lustria after all
06:16.38Liquid_InkHello
06:20.59ImpyDroidHi
06:21.48Liquid_InkHow are you?
06:43.02ImpyDroidalright
06:55.05ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: I go check out the new Planet of the Apes trailer and the comment section is littered with racist jokes
06:55.14ImpyDroidInternet, not even once
06:55.20Liquid_InkOh dear
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08:07.12GhelaeHello.
08:07.23HachimanHi
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08:34.43MethanogenHello
08:39.12HachimanHi
08:39.59HachimanHow are you?
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10:28.54MethanogenHello
10:30.10GhelaeHello.
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10:31.54MethanogenHi there
10:31.57MethanogenGoing well?
10:32.15GhelaeI'm okay; how about you?
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10:32.26NeonPandahi all
10:32.36MethanogenI'm good, beginning to establish the foundation of a fiction
10:32.41MethanogenHi there
10:32.58GhelaeHello.
10:34.07MethanogenMeanwhile I'm considering also working on random stuff to improve my writing skills while waiting for inspiration for history
10:34.39MethanogenAnd trying my hardest not to get sidetracked with random ideas of aliens of varying degrees of sensibility
10:36.47GhelaeReally. You have enough history. Stop worrying about it.
10:37.14MethanogenTrue, I'll try to
10:56.01MethanogenGtg
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11:32.26ImperiosGhelae: Wow, Ghel, did you just show emotion?
11:32.35Imperios>Really. You have enough history. Stop worrying about it.
11:32.53ImperiosThat... that was actually a show of negative emotion from you
11:34.19Liquid_InkYou could interpret that as concern rather than exasperation.
11:35.01GhelaeYou will never know the truth.
11:35.35Liquid_InkGhel also shows facetiousness quite a lot.
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11:44.48Monet_2Hallo
11:45.38HachimanHi
11:46.51GhelaeHi
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11:54.28Wormy_hi
11:56.58Wormy_Spain and the United Kingdom declare war over Gibraltar!
12:03.57MonetFlamebait at down
12:04.56Wormy_April fools, I guess
12:05.38Wormy_https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8UBvENWsAE1DRc.jpg
12:06.38Wormy_I like the polar bear stranded on Scottish island one https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2017/apr/01/fake-news-the-best-and-worst-april-fools-day-stories
12:09.01Liquid_InkMY HORSE FRIEND ON TUMBLR DIED
12:10.15Wormy_Is it a bird, is it a plane? Virgin Atlantic harnesses “flapenergy” with new Dreambird 1417 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ob-5eC8uw
12:10.25Monet"the makers of Britain’s most love-it-or-hate-it spread announce the launch of Meh-Mite – a blander version of the yeasty toast-topper" lol
12:11.46Wormy_Liquid:  I guess you must look horse about it
12:12.21MonetWormy_: "In typical Virgin fashion we just went ahead and invented it"
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12:12.43JepardiHi
12:12.47Wormy_lol
12:14.37Wormy_10 potentially real stories http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39452788
12:14.58MonetThe thing abotu the Daily Mail's article is...have they done anything special?
12:15.15MonetIt seems about as outrageous and eye-catching as anything else they write.
12:16.36Wormy_it also looks more real than the others
12:17.15MonetI dunno I'd love to see a seasonal line produced by George Osborne.
12:17.41MonetI've heard rumours one of his ideas is a barrel with straps on the top half.
12:18.07MonetWith a white tank-top to accentuate the features of the shoulder.
12:28.41Wormy_Explorer http://mydailyquizz.com/which-carl-jung-archetype-best-describes-you/
12:30.34MonetI did something like this not too long ago
12:31.10MonetI did the Meyers-Briggs test not too long ago.
12:32.13MonetOluapPLayer Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foFKXS6Nyho new ASDF movie
12:32.41OluapPlayerWow it's been a while
12:35.58Wormy_I got 6 right http://mydailyquizz.com/how-english-are-you/
12:36.12Wormy_I bet Imperios and Liquid_Ink would score well
12:37.29Wormy_Its wrong qabout mountains
12:37.45Wormy_Most define it a mountain as being over 1000 feet, or 300 metres
12:39.24Wormy_Plenty of people die scaling English peaks in poor weather
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12:46.49MonetOluapPLayer: This instalment feels bloodier than before.
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12:57.27XhoAfternoon
12:57.31XhoMan my eye is killing me
12:59.27GhelaeHello.
13:16.22Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/zZ1oA
13:19.46Wormy_AndroImp: http://imgur.com/gallery/kN447
13:21.12Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/obsDY
13:21.29MonetXho: I left a message as Arsac.
13:22.41Xhocool
13:23.56Wormy_""hat just happened?"  "Globalisation"
13:26.26XhoMonet: SHU VULT
13:30.24MonetNew idea I guess
13:31.10MonetKrath's forces raid/besiege a world, Dark Inqiusition go around rounding up everyone for sacrifice.
13:32.13XhoSounds good
13:39.22Wormy_postman throws package into a toilet through the window http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39458595
13:51.35XhoOluapPlayer Imperios: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a2/Julianus2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20170401134826 Julianus Post-Eschaton
13:53.14OluapPlayerbig evil man
13:57.50XhoOluapPlayer: I'm updating Julianus' page so I will be mentioning Karnagtah's Legion
13:58.29OluapPlayerOkay
14:11.43Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Julianus angry elf kills people
14:12.51Xho"SOUNDS LIKE SOM STOOPID CAR BRAND TBH"          >tfw Maknagrius is a Dodge Viper
14:13.20OluapPlayerwew
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14:28.27Xhoacj
14:28.30HachimanHi
14:28.49HachimanBenefit of France / Europe; real leather products are cheaper than I imagined than in the UK
14:28.55HachimanAnd are also meticulously made by hand
14:28.56Wormy_awayhello LotG
14:29.14HachimanHello Wormulon
14:29.28Wormy_awayI'm surprised, I found Spain expensive meself
14:30.25HachimanDepends where you go
14:30.29HachimanI suppose
14:31.01Wormy_awayIt *was* Seville
14:32.51Wormy_awayThey were very Sevillised
14:33.19HachimanI found a genuine leather bracelet in an old leatherworks shop in Collonges-la-Rouge in Corrèze for about €20
14:33.48HachimanI also got a pair of secondhand leather jackets for €10 each in a charity event because my step-grandmother was participating in running it
14:34.35Monet10 for a leather jacket's a pretty good deal
14:35.09HachimanIncidentally I never found a *genuine* leather jacket in the UK that went that low, even secondhand
14:35.17HachimanThat wasn't excessively old or damage
14:39.17Technobliteratorwe probably need to archive the UDB
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14:42.42Wormy_1 megabyte a minute atm jebus
14:42.51Wormy_*kilobyte
14:43.10Wormy_Can't wait to get fibre optic
14:44.30Xholel
14:44.46XhoHachiman Imperios OluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Adravelic_Empire *Julianus' longest yeah boi ever*
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14:45.00XhoWhoops I didn't change the quote
14:45.03Wormy_Thi
14:45.17XhoI took the box from Karnagtah's page because I was reading it and then I didn't change it
14:45.22OluapPlayerbig evil men
14:45.26Wormy_Tek:  I just read the TRAPPIST 1 system was put in Elite
14:45.26OluapPlayerdingus
14:46.05XhoF5 then
14:46.15OluapPlayerempty page/10
14:54.44Tek0516Wormy_: Yeah, I think I heard they were adding it
14:55.19Tek0516Today is the one day you literally cannot trust anything on the internet. >.>
14:55.44Wormy_lol
14:58.01XhoOluapPlayer: How many of Karnagtah's Legion would you say went with Julianus to Abyssus
14:58.18OluapPlayerA small band
14:58.49OluapPlayerA thousand Gros at most
14:59.29Xhok den
15:02.30XhoSo by that logic Julianus used 91,000 soldiers to fuck Abyssus up
15:02.32XhoPretty good going
15:02.50XhoAlthough it multiplied after each city he took
15:03.06XhoBy five cities he'd have an army of 451,000
15:03.35XhoBy twenty, 1,801,000
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15:07.33Wormy_hi
15:07.38dromApril Fools day today.
15:08.27Xhofuk u m7
15:08.52dromIs your presence an April fools joke, m8
15:09.50Xhoouch
15:10.03Wormy_Doesnt feel any different in the year of fake news
15:10.31dromLittle disappointed about today's spirit
15:10.55dromI mean, I was prepared to make an edit to make the wiki use comic sans
15:12.05dromEither the way, have an old gold. Xho Wormy_: http://i.imgur.com/RmFNP1O.gifv
15:12.16Xhofoox
15:13.03dromAnd I am sure I didn't share this one here http://i.imgur.com/x9N0mNR.jpg
15:13.24Wormy_In 2008 or 2009 Morgoth made the SporeWiki skin pink to attract more female users.  When users complained, he made it grey.
15:13.52Wormy_on April Fools
15:14.24dromI am certain this place could use more users from the young audience
15:14.37dromWe use the Jokerman font
15:14.50Wormy_plzno
15:16.00dromOr change our theme to a mock-off of Pornhub's theme
15:16.02dromhttp://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/932/918/2a7.png
15:16.19dromIf we want to attract more users from the adult audience
15:16.40Wormy_> Have The FBI Stolen Your Face? | 10 News Stories You Missed > Aptil 1st >Don't trust it
15:17.07OluapPlayerI think you'd probably notice not having your face
15:17.09Xhospornhub when
15:18.06Wormy_Sporepedia: porn district
15:18.09dromAsk Hachiman and Imperios, Xho.
15:18.19dromSay the word and they'll know what to do
15:18.34Xhooh hell
15:18.43HachimanBelieve me
15:18.46HachimanYou don't wanna know
15:19.07HachimanAlso, obligatory "mfw I have no face"
15:19.23Wormy_but I Must Eat Icecream
15:21.01drommfw I've no face http://wallpapercave.com/wp/ty5UMcN.png
15:25.16Xhohttp://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/913/002/377.jpg mfw
15:36.46XhoOluapPlayer: Who would be the leading Gros in Abyssus that deals with Julianus
15:37.18HachimanThere are Gros in Abyssus?
15:37.43Xhoyup
15:38.03XhoThe story goes that Julianus manages to make it back to Abyssus with the aid of Karnagtah's Legion
15:38.08XhoIn return the Legion got 150,000 slaves
15:38.29XhoAs well as a city
15:38.38XhoThe 150,000 slaves being the city's inhabitants
15:40.05XhoHachiman: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a2/Julianus2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20170401134826 Also I remade Julianus
15:40.53HachimanNice
15:51.58OluapPlayerI'll have to come up with something
15:53.03OluapPlayerTaskmaster Belzurtar
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15:54.00TreebeardHello
15:54.02XhoHi
15:54.04HachimanHi Tree
16:13.14XhoOluapPlayer Hachiman Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:New_Adravelic_Empire complete page/10
16:17.21XhoWow I spelled the name of the article wrong
16:17.25XhoChanged it
16:18.02OluapPlayerdum level: significant
16:18.11Hachiman"Despite this, multiple underground movements have gone unnoticed - primarily a revival in the religion of Caligaduro Provectus, as well as the ancient religion of the Orichalcum Elves that worshipped Soldalatel and Nalashtannylor."
16:18.25Hachiman>Sun-worshipping Shiarchon
16:19.00XhoSoldalatel - nani
16:19.10HachimanAlso interesting that Shiarchon can no longer use void magic
16:19.32HachimanVery nice work
16:20.13Xhoquote damn thee
16:21.07OluapPlayer>Simulacra such as Mortium and Zran Kar
16:21.13OluapPlayerworship the gods who hate you
16:21.27XhoShiarchon - hey caligaduro was a jerk
16:22.14XhoMind you the Adravaelic Ascendancy actively worshipps Isiris and Nalashtannylor
16:22.18XhoMainly because Arcturus is smart
16:25.10Wormy_awayHachiman, drom, Tek0516, Ghelaway:  Beware the Helvetica scenario resulting from a calcium collapse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqfSqUuo7Ms
16:26.39HachimanOluapPlayer: hao bout u neva edit conflict me agen u fukn chimpanzee sunovabitch
16:26.51OluapPlayerhao bout u finish paegs
16:27.09Hachimanhao bout u finish war
16:27.14HachimanAlso quoted
16:27.47OluapPlayerno.jpg
16:28.19Hachimanyes.waterpaints
16:28.49OluapPlayeroluap moves at his own pace
16:28.54OluapPlayerwhich is to say much faster than you
16:29.03HachimanH-HE'S FAST
16:29.09OluapPlayernani the fuck
16:47.08MonetMight write some fiction
16:49.27HachimanWhy do that when you can be lazy like me
16:49.31HachimanAnd just overthink ideas
16:50.30MonetBecause the stuff in my head has been swimming their for at least a week.
17:18.45Tek0516I'm giving the Farengeto page some updates.
17:19.37Tek0516I'll need to sort out the political divisions in its increasingly complex bureaucratic structure. XD
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17:41.12AtsyBoiHi
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17:43.18AtsyBoiwhalecome to your doom
17:45.14MonetHi
17:45.33XhoHi
17:45.58Wormy_awayAtsyBoi:  Have some science https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqfSqUuo7Ms
17:47.12AtsyBoimy youtube is blocked, so i have to use offliberty to download the shit
17:47.18AtsyBoi~hate that
17:47.18infobotHey atsyboi, ,,|,
17:47.35AtsyBoiFUUUUUUU
17:47.49Tek0516Wormy_away: Did that clip break after the first minute or the uploader trying to be edgy or something? >.>
17:48.15Wormy_awayThat's literally part of the clip, but the user looped it
17:48.40Wormy_awayTek:  Whole episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4CRCJUmWsM
17:49.18AtsyBoiso, in a nutshell, what is it?
17:49.21Tek0516I'm out of the house and already over my data limit. :P
17:49.50Wormy_awayThe dangers of the Helvetica Scenario
17:50.21Wormy_awayWhat happens when the calcium molecule wonders outside its electron shell and collapses, causing skin growth over the entire face
17:50.22AtsyBoiok
17:51.57Tek0516In case you're not sure the science is intentionally bs. :P
17:59.33dromImperios: A friend to me just complained to me that I play too much WoW
17:59.40dromHe plays FF14
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18:06.38LaggyBoihold on, let me test ib
18:06.40LaggyBoi~nope
18:06.40infobotextra, extra, read all about it, nope is http://i.imgur.com/Z7Gpf.gif
18:06.44LaggyBoiok
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18:09.30dino82_hi
18:14.49dromhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNOllWX-2aE
18:19.32AtsyBoiHOLY FUCKING SHIT THESE FUCKING POPUPS ARE BLOCKING MY FUCKING VIEW OF SPACE ENGINE
18:19.51AtsyBoiFINALLY THEYRE GONE
18:20.47AtsyBoiFFS
18:21.40AtsyBoiAND NOW SPACE ENGINE ISNT STARTING UP
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18:24.06Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Third_House_War#The_Great_Game and chapter is done.
18:24.09ImperiosXho: Hi
18:24.13ImperiosNice work on these new adra guys
18:24.34ImperiosAre there any major differences between the old Shias and these fellas?
18:24.41Xhoohi
18:24.50XhoIn what way
18:24.53XhoCulturally?
18:25.03XhoMonet: Read in a sec
18:25.11AtsyBoiSorry about raging there
18:25.43AtsyBoiI have autism, so...
18:26.29XhoNearly everyone here has tbf
18:26.29ImperiosYeah
18:26.33ImperiosAtsyBoi: Welcome to the club
18:26.37XhoWell culturally speaking
18:26.50AtsyBoiTbf?
18:26.56Xhoto be fair
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18:27.36XhoCulturally speaking the NAE is officially aetheistic as well as a dictatorship in comparison to a more democratic government Kalarah had
18:27.37AtsyBoiah
18:27.38Worny_was chillin' on backup http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Chat
18:27.51XhoKalarah was evil but he was politically savvy
18:27.51Worny_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:221273
18:27.53ImperiosXho: So the North Korea to Legion's USSR?
18:27.58XhoPretty much
18:28.10XhoJulianus is our grorious reader
18:28.28ImperiosThere quoted
18:30.16XhoJulianus - shup
18:30.24AtsyBoiplease don't mention nk
18:30.46ImperiosAtsyBoi: Why though?
18:30.50AtsyBoithe human rights are barely existent
18:30.58AtsyBoiit's horrific
18:31.30AtsyBoiit stress me in real life
18:31.34AtsyBoistresses*
18:31.37ImperiosWell guess what, my ancestors are from there
18:31.41ImperiosMost of them
18:31.59XhoImperios is the wiki's grorious reader
18:32.02AtsyBoiYeah, I don't hate /them/
18:32.12MonetBorn in Russia but is a Korean descendant.
18:32.12ImperiosI too feel for the people of North Korea
18:32.23AtsyBoiIt's KJU
18:32.24ImperiosBut that does not mean I can't bring it up
18:32.31AtsyBoiAnd the laws are just bullshit
18:32.33ImperiosKJU is actually improving things
18:32.44ImperiosThere are actually people with smartphones in North Korea now
18:32.45AtsyBoiI'm not saying you cant'
18:32.48AtsyBoiOh
18:33.20AtsyBoiThough, they probably have propaganda viruses installed on them, if they're as bad as I see NK
18:33.22ImperiosAlso, as bad as North Korea is, the South also has a pretty bad human rights record, as do many places in the world
18:33.31DrodoEmpireImperios can and will talk about what he wishes, Atsy. :p
18:33.32DrodoEmpireDon
18:33.43AtsyBoiYeah, just NK is worse than others
18:33.44DrodoEmpire*Don't try and dictate that sorta thing to people, you have no right
18:33.56ImperiosYeah but there are many more
18:33.59MonetTried that once, got told off.
18:34.08AtsyBoiI'm not, I was /asking/
18:34.10DrodoEmpireObviously NK has a worse human rights record
18:34.44DrodoEmpireSame goes for asking in 90% of instances. Its rude and in this case, silly :p
18:34.50Monet"don't mention nk" even with a 'please' kind-f sounds like a demand.
18:35.02ImperiosDon't worry about the people of North Korea, they are just victims of a war they did not want and one day prosperity will come to them
18:35.06ImperiosReunification will ensue
18:35.23AtsyBoiI hope so
18:35.37AtsyBoiNo offense
18:35.45ImperiosI've read some stuff about the situation there
18:36.05ImperiosThere's a middle class developingh
18:36.12ImperiosAnd capitalist policies are slowly introduced
18:36.32Worny_aye
18:36.43Worny_Its all very state managed though
18:36.49ImperiosRight now the main problem with improving North Korea is that, if civil liberties are introduced, the country will literally tear itself apart
18:37.06DrodoEmpireIt needs to be gradual reformation yes
18:37.10AtsyBoiJust US-level?
18:37.33ImperiosThe people will realise the horrible conditions they are in and tear down the institutions, and then wreck the economy of South Korea and China through a refugee crisis
18:37.35Worny_I fear that if NK collapses, China will invade because they won't want a refugee crisos or a Western-backed Korea
18:37.46AtsyBoiHonestly, I just want everyone to get along
18:37.56DrodoEmpireYes and who doesn't :p
18:38.01ImperiosAnd, chances are, they will either become the CPC's slaves in China, or corporate slaves in South Korea
18:38.10AtsyBoi*tears up in real life*
18:38.15AtsyBoiCan we divert the topic
18:38.22ImperiosSo, just giving them more freedom will not help them
18:38.31Worny_I'd love it if humanity poured more money into scientific and engineering projects
18:38.44Worny_but that's idealism
18:39.01ImperiosWhat will help them is gradually improving their economy in the current regime, and then once their economy is improved
18:39.17AtsyBoiTaking out the HRAs?
18:39.18ImperiosThey can more gradually move towards civil liberites
18:39.35ImperiosThis will in turn allow for reunification!
18:39.43DrodoEmpireInstead of avoiding topics that upset you to an irrational degree AtsyBoi, why not grow a bit emotionally stronger as a person and, if these issues are of such concern to you, read about them and process them in a reasonably principled and detached way
18:39.43ImperiosAnd this reunification will be more or less on even terms
18:39.44DrodoEmpire*?
18:39.50MonetIn real life getting rid of the bad leaders rarely works out well.
18:39.59ImperiosYep, Atsy, it will help you grow as a person
18:40.03AtsyBoiOk
18:40.16DrodoEmpireOne thing people constantly say is that avoidance isn't a solution >.<
18:40.30ImperiosSo once North Korea will have businessmen and industries that can compare with those of the South
18:40.34ImperiosAnd that is completely possible
18:40.38Wormy_Yeah, anxiety is only made stronger by avoidance
18:40.43ImperiosThey can integreate themselves into Southern economy.
18:40.55DrodoEmpireImperios: That's the long term plan, yeah
18:40.56ImperiosAnd then with the South's influence, civil rights and liberties will be improved there
18:40.57ImperiosBoom
18:41.12ImperiosTONGHAE MULGWA PAEKTUSANIIIIIIIIIIIIII
18:41.19AtsyBoiWTF XD
18:41.29ImperiosThat's the South Korean anthem
18:41.32AtsyBoilaughs irl
18:41.33AtsyBoiAh
18:41.49ImperiosMAREUGO DALTOROK
18:41.53DrodoEmpireYou have a ((((((((((((((((((((Reunified Democratic Korean Government))))))))))))))))))))
18:42.23ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Ruled by a (((Democratically Elected Government)))
18:42.45AtsyBoiNew Meme: ((((((((((Text))))))))))
18:42.50Wormy_I have a lot of sadness for Syria
18:42.50DrodoEmpireRule for Koreans, by ((((((((Koreans))))))))
18:42.58AtsyBoiSame
18:42.58MonetWe're all happy to discuss these things.
18:43.01DrodoEmpireAtsyBoi: Oh dear no
18:43.07DrodoEmpireThis is quite the meme
18:43.10DrodoEmpirehandle with cautiou
18:43.12DrodoEmpire*ion
18:43.23AtsyBoi(((((((((((((((Cautio)))))))))))))))
18:43.26ImperiosAtsyBoi: "As long as the waters of the Sea of Japan and the mountain of Paektusan stand, God will protect our nation"
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18:44.28HachimanXho: You can bet Hathgar is gonna want to march dwarves onto Abyssus now kek
18:44.29ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Oh you just reminded me
18:44.36DrodoEmpire?
18:45.01Imperioshttp://coub.com/view/t2uyi I made this
18:45.03XhoJulianus - silly shortbread man                    how can u march into Abyssus wen were marching into the greatholds
18:45.06AtsyBoiHey, everyone, what's your primary empire?
18:45.13AtsyBoiQuickly
18:45.14AtsyBoi:P
18:45.25HachimanHathgar - cus wen ur marchin on da greatholds     whose at home protectin ur abyssus
18:45.28ImperiosHachiman may also take a look
18:45.28Xhoxhodocto
18:45.38HachimanHathgar - well bugger dat laddeh
18:45.39Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Third_House_War#The_Great_Game Hachiman Imperios DrodoEmpire dino82
18:45.48Monetdino82_
18:45.51DrodoEmpireImperios: HEIL KEK
18:46.03HachimanI'll read in a bit
18:46.08HachimanA lil busy doing D&D stoof
18:46.10ImperiosSotKEK, the greatest of the Old Ones
18:46.12AtsyBoi*cough cough, waiting for Monet, Imperios and Wormy*
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18:46.28TreebeardHello
18:46.34ImperiosHachiman: Little did we know that Slann actually wielded meme magic
18:46.43DrodoEmpire^
18:46.44ImperiosActually wait
18:46.53dino82_going to read i t monet
18:46.55ImperiosLizardmen are magic Aztecs
18:46.56HachimanNow I can see why Oluap isn't here
18:47.27MonetI thought he disconnected with you.
18:47.36ImperiosDoes that mean they are bringing drugs, crime, and are rapists
18:47.55Hachiman>crime
18:48.03HachimanAztecs weren't criminals u
18:48.16Wormy_We had downtime on Freenode
18:48.17HachimanOh wait you mean Mexicans
18:48.24MonetAtsyBoi: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Draconid_Imperium here's something for your afternoon.
18:48.26ImperiosYeah
18:48.30DrodoEmpireI don't bring drugs, crime, or rapists-- I am a simple meme farmer
18:48.34AtsyBoithat's yours?
18:48.39Hachiman>Mexican Lizardmen gangs
18:48.40ImperiosNaggaroth needs to build a wall from Lustria
18:48.47MonetAtsyboi:I had a lot of help.
18:48.51AtsyBoiAh
18:48.56DrodoEmpiretending to my memes, sacrificing many chicken tendies to Kek and his prophets
18:49.05HachimanImperios: Does this mean Morgana or whatever her face is is Clinton
18:49.12ImperiosHachiman: Morathi?
18:49.13MonetBut in terms of ownership and primary activity...yeah its mine.
18:49.15HachimanMorathi yes
18:49.23ImperiosShe is an evil witch so yes
18:49.39ImperiosSo yeah on one hand Slann are certainly blessed by Kek
18:49.44ImperiosOn the other hand they are Mexican
18:49.45MonetExcept Morgana had black hair.
18:49.56MonetAlso she was sexy as fuk
18:50.14ImperiosMalekith did not have sexual relationships with this woman
18:50.18HachimanDrodoEmpire: B R O T H E R  D O  Y O U  H A V E  S O M E  M E M E S
18:50.24DrodoEmpireayy
18:50.31Wormy_meems
18:50.34ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Speaking of which this trailer had one awful thing about it
18:50.38AtsyBoiWormy_: , what's your primary empire?
18:50.39ImperiosThe Slann's voice
18:50.47DrodoEmpireAh
18:50.50Wormy_Delpha Coalition of Planets
18:50.53ImperiosNot sure if you're well-versed in Warhammer lore
18:51.08dino82_@Monet: Oh wow, now that is blunt to ask for abdication
18:51.24AtsyBoiOk
18:51.38Wormy_Right I've gotta work
18:51.55ImperiosBut Slann are supposed to be these extremely ancient, powerful beings who served the literally creator gods of the universe, and actually remember them
18:51.59XhoHachiman: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/29/Qarmurnhreion2017.png/revision/latest?cb=20170401185123 Remade that Oevrumine character I had
18:52.07Monetdino82_: At least he Taremanon being polite.
18:52.16HachimanNice
18:52.23ImperiosOne would expect them to have the appropriate voices
18:52.24ImperiosInsteade
18:52.25dino82_true
18:52.26ImperiosREEEEEEEE
18:52.26HachimanGuess the latest Mivtanreior section got you in the mood
18:52.38XhoActually it was the Adravaelic Empire page
18:52.45XhoI realised I forgot about that character so I remade him
18:52.55HachimanSpeaking of which
18:53.00MonetImperios: Well Slanns are giant frog-lizards.
18:53.06HachimanImperios: READ STEEL WRYYYYYYYYYY http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ASteel_of_the_Plagued_Land#Chapter_7:_Hyena.27s_Grin
18:53.29HachimanAlso the previous section if you haven't
18:53.42dino82_Taremanon - Neither does the Imperium unconditionally applaud you, your majesty.
18:53.44HachimanI tried doing things a little differently with Hyena's Grin to make things a lil easier to read
18:53.45dino82_interessting line................
18:54.08XhoHathgar would probably run into Qarmurnhreion if he marched into Abyssus considering he is Julianus' enforcer
18:54.49MonetGiant black moo.
18:54.57HachimanHathgar - im gonna turn ye into beef jerkeh
18:55.51ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Actually about the Lizardmen, they actually have more in common with /pol/ then just them being led by massive frogs
18:56.00Imperios>His epiphany is that the Lizardmen have failed to accomplish the first of the Old Ones’ decrees — the extermination of those races not part of the Great Plan.
18:56.05Imperios>the extermination of those races not part of the Great Plan.
18:56.25DrodoEmpireohgod
18:56.34MonetMein Frogher
18:56.45DrodoEmpire*the extermination of (((((((((those races))))))))) not part of the Great Plan.
18:56.46HachimanMein Frogger
18:57.25ImperiosAlso  I can't find the direct quote but they actually want every Warhammer race to return to the places where they were originally created and bar them from ever leaving them
18:57.32ImperiosLike sending ALL elves to Ulthuan
18:57.34DrodoEmpireolol
18:58.10AtsyBoi(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
18:58.23dromImperios: fyi, I got Legion
18:58.27dromLet's rally
18:58.30drom...someday
18:58.36MonetImperios: But if they did that Skavenblight would well like packed beans and explode in a massive rain of rat-men.
18:59.26MonetWHich admittedly would be the fluffiest rainstorm in the history of forever.
19:00.47AtsyBoiwhat the fuck
19:00.49AtsyBoixD
19:00.52ImperiosMonet: Thing is, skaven were not created by the Old Ones
19:01.06ImperiosThey are one of (((((((((those races)))))))))
19:01.07MonetI know
19:01.16MonetBut you said all races.
19:01.35ImperiosPlaces where they were originally created by the Old Ones
19:01.47ImperiosAnd as skaven were not created by the Old Ones they go into TRASH
19:02.33MonetI'm sure after centuries of fighting Clan Pestilens no skink would object
19:03.04HachimanFuck-fuck your Lizardmen
19:03.40HachimanI still can't get over the fact that Thanquol has a fucking mental breakdown over the fact that the two adventurers who have foiled every single one of his plots and schemes have never met him and don't recognize him
19:04.23MonetThe blow to his ego can be felt on the other side of the planet.
19:05.11HachimanTo be fair
19:05.39HachimanIf I found out that after 20 years of being foiled by a couple of adventurers, who I've come to treat as my archnemeses, don't recognize me or have never even heard of me, I'd go mad as well
19:09.13MonetCan't Grey Seers live for centuries though?
19:09.56HachimanThey can but that doesn't mean they experience time like elves do
19:10.00HachimanThey're still rats
19:10.31MonetAlso reading up his troubles are a mix of "everyone around me is an idiot" and bad luck.
19:10.59HachimanEveryone around him is an idiot, including himself
19:11.50MonetHe sounds like Failbaddon.
19:12.19MonetI get your point though
19:13.23MonetIt's just well being a rat-man he kind of sets himself up for a fall what with being paranoid, mentally broken from snorting warpstone and assuming everything that goes wrong is someone else's fauyt.
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19:16.01HachimanHi
19:16.03GhelaeHi
19:16.17Wormy_awayHi
19:16.22MonetNever sniff warpstone, kids.
19:17.34Wormy_awayNah, Turn on, tune in, drop out :>
19:23.01Wormy_awayand become Master of the Universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3W7ch0oLeA
19:24.06MonetWell
19:24.52MonetWith warstone what's more likely to happen is your hair might turn into snakes and your feet turn into hooves.
19:25.04MonetOr you might grow a new organ.
19:25.39Wormy_awayooh
19:25.42MonetOr all the bones in your arms might dissolve.
19:27.28dromWhat is this?
19:27.28drom:o
19:28.18MonetSkaven, Warhammer and the wonderful effects of snorting Warpstone dust.
19:31.41dromHm, Warhammer lore?
19:31.54MonetYep.
19:32.01MonetFantasy rather than 40k
19:33.03dromI see
19:35.06AtsyBoisnorts warpstone
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19:36.49MonetAtsyBoi: http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warpstone
19:37.30AtsyBoik
19:37.53AtsyBoifb ubj ner lbh?
19:39.05Monethm?
19:40.19AtsyBoifbeel, vg'f whfg ebg13
19:40.33MonetIs this Elder Speech?
19:40.57MonetOh wait
19:41.21MonetYour tongue got mutated didn't you?
19:42.05AtsyBoilrf, v guvax fb
19:42.13AtsyBoijk xD
19:43.56Wormy_awayXho Had a couple of beers and then the 40% gin comes out
19:44.47Xhoy u do dis
19:44.48AtsyBoiyou know, maybe in like 100M years from now, future alien astronomers will be confused by a line of craters dating to roughly the same time running around Mars's equator
19:45.46Wormy_awayIts what my relatives did lol
19:46.19Wormy_awayI'm disappointed sapphire gin isn't really blue
19:46.41Wormy_awayI've been living a lie
19:47.57DrodoEmpirePersonally I think we as a people should dedicate a large amount of resources to simply fucking with future generations
19:48.21DrodoEmpireYou know, do nutty shit to leave archaeologists a million years from now scratching their heads
19:48.53DrodoEmpireLike burying an aircraft carrier heightwise -dead- in the core of Mount Everest
19:50.11Wormy_awayI wonder if that happened already hur
19:50.22AtsyBoi((((((((((((hur))))))))))))
19:50.42DrodoEmpireOr building a mesopotamian ziggurat on the surface of the Moon, using stone from Iraq
19:51.09DrodoEmpireWormy: Honestly you have to wonder lol
19:51.17DrodoEmpireIf people tried doing that
19:52.31AtsyBoior make a pyramid out of pure silver at the exact highest location on Rheasilvia's central peak
19:54.02AtsyBoior a tesla coil fence surrounding the entirety of Olympus Mons
19:54.25Wormy_awayThat would be a big project
19:54.35ImperiosAtsyBoi: Nh, you don't get it
19:54.43ImperiosI'll explain the meme to you if you want
19:55.03AtsyBoiOk
19:56.23AtsyBoiImperios: Can you explain it?
19:56.37ImperiosIt originates from Neo-Nazi web slang
19:57.43ImperiosThe (((brackets))) indicate that the word has a hidden meaning for those in the know, for example they may say they hate the (((elites))), meaning Jewish people
19:57.53Wormy_awaymeme carefully
19:58.07ImperiosDrodo used it to jokingly compare the Lizardmen to Nazis
19:58.14MonetMany have been burned for repeating a meme they didn't fully get.
19:58.27AtsyBoiAh
19:58.44DrodoEmpireWell, it is -just- a meme so don't take it all too seriously hur
19:59.08DrodoEmpireIts not like we gave you a bunch of dodgy looking pills
19:59.20DrodoEmpireBut yeah make sure you know what it -actually- means and oyou get the joke
20:00.02Wormy_awayBy all means use it, but in the right context
20:00.16Wormy_awaySome communities, expect a burn
20:02.44Wormy_awayWe're laid back most of the time
20:03.18Imperios>[22:59:05] <DrodoEmpire> Its not like we gave you a bunch of dodgy looking pills
20:03.19ImperiosYeah
20:03.22ImperiosWe gave them good ones
20:03.24ImperiosThe red ones
20:03.28Imperios*him
20:05.04DrodoEmpireyeee
20:07.58Wormy_awayFormulating a hypothesis about the Turing Test and evolutionary algorithms on gin while listening to psychedelic rock feels rather good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKQG5aOebWY
20:10.21ImperiosWormy_away: Remember the article on categories you gave me?
20:10.33Wormy_awayYeah, from slatstarcodex
20:10.37ImperiosI actually managed to talk about it with professors in my uni
20:10.46Wormy_awayWhat did they think?
20:10.58ImperiosAs they explained it there are actually two main views in semantics: "God's view", and cognitive
20:11.09Wormy_awaySSC is written by an anonymous psychiatrist
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20:11.33Wormy_awayOh yeah, you was alluding to that
20:11.35Wormy_awayhi
20:11.36CyrannianHai
20:11.54Imperios"God's view" is older, and postulates that meaning is objective, and can be defined precisely; the cognitive theory believes that meaning is objective
20:12.21ImperiosWe are taught both; currently we are studying God's View but in the next year we will delve deeper into cognitive semantics
20:12.51ImperiosCognitive semantics is however merely part of the greater movement in science that moves from hard facts into perception
20:12.56Imperios*a greater
20:14.21ImperiosThe professor compared these two views with capitalism and socialism: they're mutually exclusive, but both valid
20:14.55Wormy_awayYeah
20:17.19DrodoEmpire"When the gods created Gilgamesh they gave him a perfect body. Shamash the glorious sun endowed him with beauty, Adad the god of the storm endowed him with courage, the great gods made his beauty perfect, surpassing all others, terrifying like a great wild bull. Two thirds they made him god and one third man"
20:17.29DrodoEmpireoh my god what a gary stu am i right???
20:19.06MonetIt's like ancient Superman.
20:25.00DrodoEmpireIn all seriousness- the Epic of Gilgamesh is a great read
20:25.02DrodoEmpireI like it
20:36.30ImperiosHe fights for truth and justice and the Sumerian way
20:40.09Wormy_awayOne epistemological thing I took away from the blog is context: there are meanings which are objective correct, based on facts or an explanation of facts; but there are also meanings that are arbitrary because they are based on a tradeoff of goals in the right context; and there are statements or boundaries drawn that are iunfit for any goals
20:40.27Wormy_away*unfit
20:40.55Wormy_awaygoals that are in a way, decided by the method itself
20:41.41Wormy_awayTake for example this part
20:41.56Wormy_away"Now, there’s something wrong with saying 'whales are phylogenetically just as closely related to bass, herring, and salmon as these three are related to each other.' What’s wrong with the statement is that it’s false. But saying 'whales are a kind of fish' isn’t."
20:42.59Wormy_awayTo the goals of King Solomon, it makes sense to lump them in the same category
20:43.47Wormy_awayAnd for the last case, concerning geography " You could just split the territory in half with a straight line, and give Israel the north and Palestine the south. All of these things would be really dumb."
20:44.07Wormy_awayIts unclear what the goals are herem they are completely arbitrary
20:45.12Wormy_awayIn a way, language translation is similar, you need a contextual package from which to understand the contents of information
20:46.35DrodoEmpireI don't think simply splitting it like that would work <.<
20:46.43DrodoEmpireActually, that seems like it'd cause even more issues
20:46.45Wormy_awayHowever, note that phylogenetic explanations that much stricter goals from which evidence has to be explained, but now that;s concept of explanatory power
20:46.59Wormy_awayYes
20:47.29DrodoEmpireAhh
20:47.32Wormy_away*have much
20:47.45Wormy_awayThat's his point, hence "it's really dumb"
20:48.22Wormy_awayBut then throws another wrench in
20:48.43Wormy_awayIf you are a crazy despot who wants to cause shit, then it has context
20:49.02DrodoEmpireOhh, right
20:49.03DrodoEmpirehur
20:49.55Tek0516Hello
20:56.30Wormy_awaySo yeah, validity is goal-oriented
20:56.40Wormy_awaySame in simulation and optimisation actually
20:57.11Wormy_awayA scientist making a simulation need not make a totally factual representation of reality, it merely needs to work
20:57.26Wormy_awayOr better, convince the stakeholder
20:57.34Wormy_awaySo you can take away your cash
20:58.12Wormy_awayValid within the spec defined
20:59.58Wormy_awayImperios ^ did you see
21:01.54Wormy_awayPerception and goal oriented context might relate our two angles here
21:07.15XhoMonet: https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/172667621385439206/E7F5A2D9978252E8920E3ABB4F10ABEE0C09E65B/ Meanwhile in SoM
21:08.21MonetYou've been busy
21:08.28MonetFast too.
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21:13.01MethanogenHello
21:13.33DrodoEmpireHi
21:13.52MethanogenHi there Drodo, going well?
21:15.03DrodoEmpireYeah I'm alright
21:15.05DrodoEmpireYou?
21:15.18MethanogenFairly good
21:16.20DrodoEmpireCool cool
21:18.01MethanogenI have to ask, how long have you had the Drodo for? Out of cuorisity
21:18.09Methanogen*curiosity
21:18.56DrodoEmpireThey were among my first creations in Spore, predating their involvement in the fictionverse
21:18.57DrodoEmpireSo...
21:19.09DrodoEmpireSince 2012? 2011?
21:19.12DrodoEmpireLoooong time
21:19.23MethanogenAh quite a while
21:19.37DrodoEmpireIn their -current- iteration though I'd say since 2014ish
21:19.49MethanogenI've had spore for ages but all my old stuff has been lost due to constant computer changes, and also my old stuff was rather,..awful
21:19.54MethanogenI see
21:19.58MethanogenStill quite a while
21:20.47DrodoEmpireAhh
21:20.48DrodoEmpireYeah
21:21.14MethanogenMy fictions were all created about the same time as their fiction pages atm
21:23.19DrodoEmpireRight, right
21:23.59MethanogenIn Spore, half of my creations are alright and the other half are completely random abominations
21:24.14ImperiosDrodoEmpire: https://2ch.hk/po/src/21699311/14909115288230.webm AMERICA
21:25.32ImperiosDrodoEmpire: https://2ch.hk/po/src/21699311/14909118962660.webm #Americans
21:25.42Tek0516I'm doing some updates to the Farengeto page
21:26.21DrodoEmpirek
21:26.28Imperiosdrom: https://2ch.hk/po/src/21699311/14909380755503.webm
21:34.04dromEven disco music wtf
21:34.20Wormy_awayImpy:  You see my posts
21:34.24Wormy_away?
21:34.40ImperiosYeah
21:34.52ImperiosThat ultimately depends on the situation yeah
21:35.11ImperiosFor example in the field of computational linguistics, such as when creating electronic dictionaries for machine translation
21:35.17ImperiosWe DO require objective definitions
21:36.28Wormy_awayIndeed, and I would certainly employ them if I was trying to find better explanations for I don't know, why this rock type has crystallised edges next to a strike slip fault
21:39.07Wormy_awayI like how the context of the post was to address rationalists only interested in objective statements, ignoring or failing to understand negotiable ones.
21:39.44Wormy_awayand making silly arguments like "Bible is fallible because Jonah was eaten by a whale described as a fish" or something along those lines
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21:45.57Wormy_awayhi
21:48.40TybusenHello
21:50.07Wormy_awayrip Lemmy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6OuyJKnIyU
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21:56.25Wormy_awayI bet whatever afterlife Lemmy went to got a whole lot louder
21:56.28Tek0516I just got back from watching that Ghost in the Shell movie. Considering it came out yesterday I'm surprised how empty the theater was.
21:57.23ImperiosMonet: I wonder why Gaston and LeFou had hats in the new Beauty and the Beast movie
21:58.25Wormy_awayTek: How was it?
21:58.37Tek0516It was alright.
21:59.11MonetImperios: Why wouldn't they?
21:59.23ImperiosTHey didn't in the original
21:59.38ImperiosThere they have MASSIVE wide-brimmed hats every time they ride horses
22:00.02MonetIt might be for the sake of animation.
22:00.21ImperiosI just realised they kind of reminded me of Brokeback Mountain protagonists hur
22:00.28MonetGaston in the film wears the same outfit that he wore only once in the animated film
22:01.51MonetThat and in the animated the only time we don't see someone wearing a hat or headcover while riding is when Gaston marches with the village to besiege the castle.
22:05.21MonetTek0516: COnversely I saw Beauty and the Beast a week after it came out and the cinema was packed.
22:06.39Wormy_awayDrodoEmpire:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSodCuo73ig
22:06.51Tek0516Monet: Looking at the estimated box office numbers for yesterday Beauty and the Beast apparently still beat Ghost in the Shell.
22:07.04Tek0516By a wide margin at that
22:08.41MonetBatB is a remake of one of Disney's finest animated classics and GitS is an Anime adaptation.
22:09.00MonetGitS -needed- the starpower of Scarlet Johanssen.
22:09.06Tek0516Oh yeah, it'd definitely be more popular
22:10.03Tek0516Monet: Of course apparently Scarlet Johanssen caused a big whitewashing controversy that ended up probably hurting the movie.
22:10.39Tek0516So I think GitS was kind of a lose-lose situation in that regard.
22:13.28MonetI've got a friend who is a big GitS nerd. Loves the series
22:13.43MonetHe saw the film and thought the issue was, well a non-issue
22:14.37TybusenThe thing about GitS is that I don't think it exerts a lot of mainstream pull in the first place, and the Scarlett Johansson whitewashing stuff probably hurt the movie's mainstream appeal more than it helped it
22:15.55MonetProbably
22:16.04drom"Where you told you were born in April 1st? I am sorry, but I believe that was a fools joke."
22:16.06TybusenPeople who already know GitS and enjoy it are probably inclined to watch the movie anyways and won't be turned off by whitewashing controversy, but people who aren't familiar with the anime see the controversy and don't want to see it, even if it has star power behind it
22:16.27MonetI mean in the series it's a non issue because the Major's body is completely robotic, so what ethinicity she is is entirely up to her.
22:16.42MonetJust like how she has purple hair and bright red eyes.
22:17.35TybusenYeah, but 1.) people who don't know about the anime don't know that and 2.) the character's name is Japanese so the first assumption people would make is that the character is supposed to be Japanese
22:18.48MonetI accept that the whitewashing controversy probably did stir some things.
22:18.55TybusenThis is all in hindsight of course but I think GitS could have gotten better appeal by casting a Japanese actress of equal or superior talent in Scarlett's place
22:19.32MonetAlthough in this case for those in the know it -kinda- makes the ones calling whitewashing look a little racist.
22:19.39Tek0516For most of the film you don't even know her character's real name, just the given name of "Major". Amusingly the name and whtewashing is technically story relevant.
22:19.59TybusenEven if the actress wasn't a big-name actress, it would've avoided the negative publicity from the whitewashing controversy, and hell, the positive publicity for "actually casting Japanese person in a 'Japanese' character role"
22:20.13Tybusen*the positive publicity would be a plus
22:20.45MonetTek0516: This might be where the Anime knowledge comes in
22:21.01Tek0516I'd never seen any of the stuff so I wouldn't know.
22:21.17MonetThere we know here name to be "Motoko Kurosagi" but everyone pretty much calls her "Major" there too.
22:21.24TybusenIt's mainly about optics rather than actual relevance to the story
22:21.34Tek0516I just hadn't gone to the theater for a while and the movie seemed remotely interesting. :P
22:21.44Tek0516Tybusen: Oh I totally agree.
22:26.13Tek0516The in-movie excuse for being white is that she was supposedly a refugee.
22:26.27Tek0516Which has some curiousness in itself. :P
22:27.20MonetIf I vaguely recall fro mte ANime, the world went to shit between the time the anime was published and the setting's present
22:27.35TybusenI mean it's not unheard of for people to go to Japan and change their names to Japanese names IRL
22:27.56TybusenLafcadio Hearn/Koizumi Yakumo is a notable example
22:28.49MonetAmerica in the anime had changed its name to the "American Empire" and there was a mission Batao was once on in South/Central America where some really disturbing Buffalo Bill type stuff was encountered.
22:29.22TybusenLike if they justify it in-story then it's all good, I don't really have a huge problem with it other than the whole continuing the trend of casting white actors where they could afford to diversify a little
22:29.50MonetI did have a minor shock seeing Togusa compared to how he is in the Anime.
22:30.06MonetThere he's a real hardcore 80s nerd with a classic sports car and even a mullet.
22:30.32TybusenLike I'm completely unbothered by the Great Wall movie now knowing that Matt Damon's character is supposed to be white, and is more of a perspective character rather than being a white savior archetype
22:31.07Tek0516Tybusen: The Japanese name is totally justified in the movie's story. But since it involves one of the movie's "plot twists" they couldn't exactly advertise it.
22:31.51TybusenYea but the people who would have an initial interest in the movie (people who already know GitS) already know that "twist" and would spread it around alongside any advertisement for the movie
22:32.31TybusenHard to keep a lid on spoilers for an adaptation of another work that already has an established and potentially vocal fanbase
22:33.11Tek0516Even having not seen any of it the twist was fairly obvious.
22:37.47Tek0516Tybusen: Actually thinking about it they have her use an entirely non-Japanese name for most of it. "Mira Killian" according to Wikipedia.
22:38.10MonetI have a friend who went on a bit of a rant "Adaptine ANime to life-action is really hard ot get right especially for Hollywood where it's near impossible"
22:39.18Tek0516Yeah. I can't even name any major Japanese actors, and I imagine those who do English films are even fewer.
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22:39.35TybusenI think one of the difficulties with adapting animated works to live-action is that you can make an animated character do a lot more than a real human being, though special effects have gotten good enough that it shouldn't be a problem with a decent budget
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22:40.07Tek0516The visuals in the movie were definitely well done
22:40.56TybusenThere is something to be said about some of the themes in an anime being lost when it gets put through the Hollywood wringer
22:41.07MonetGhost in the Shell thankfully isn't as bat-crap crazy a say One Piece or Dragonball.
22:41.08TybusenBut that's the same for any work that doesn't originate in Hollywood
22:41.32MonetWHich might have helped it.
22:41.42Tek0516It's not a terrible movie but it's not great.
22:41.54TybusenYeah, Ghost in the Shell is less cartoony than things like Dragonball
22:42.01MonetGitS also had stuff like Blade Runner to fall back on.
22:42.11TybusenThe more cartoony a work is, the harder it is to make live-action
22:42.13MonetIt's a theme Hollywood knows how to do.
22:44.19TybusenAnd animated works like Lion King or Shrek that have primarily non-human protagonists really have to abstract-ize a bit to make live-action adaptations work
22:44.52MonetIf it weren't for Keanu "I can't perform beyond being a plank since Bill and Ted" Reeves I might be keen on a Cowboy Bebop movie.
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22:47.55MonetNot because of whitewashing or anything, but because Reeves can't seem to act anymore.
22:48.22MonetIt's quite bizarre to see his performance in Bill and Ted and then go back ot something like Neo or Constantine.
22:49.36TechnobliteratorI feel like Reeves mostly plays characters that don't have a lot of dialogue anyway
22:51.57MonetOh John Constantine is far from quiet and reserved.
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22:55.04ZF101Hello all.
23:04.36Technobliteratorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#HAHAHAHAHA_TOLD_YA Archived, and new message :V
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23:05.13Technobliteratorbrb
23:05.39MonetUniverse - Dun care still a dumbass
23:06.20OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:War_of_the_Ancient_Three#Calm_Before_the_Storm if you're gonna post that, then have this
23:06.24OluapPlayerIncludes the PCA's reaction
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23:19.50DrodoAwayTechnobliterator: Drodo - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
23:22.44MonetOluapPlayer: RIA - So...a bit of a regime change is required.                    What can we do to help?
23:22.55MonetOne of their specialties.
23:23.21OluapPlayerYalorein - things of the sneaky variety
23:23.49MonetRIA - Sooo pretty much all we do.        Cool.
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23:30.36OluapPlayerKnowledge of the movement is restricted to Vekaron for now. I imagine the RIA will be contacted after I introduce the resistance proper
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23:33.05AtsyBoiHi
23:33.17AtsyBoiAre there any collab fics i can join?
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23:39.44DrodoAwayNot sure
23:39.56DrodoEmpireWhat fiction do you have?
23:43.28OluapPlayerMonet: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20753925964
23:44.38AtsyBoiBasically nothing
23:44.38AtsyBoixD
23:44.46MonetLooking"The Armies of Legionfall have been successful in their mission to defeat the Burning Legion. Azeroth is finally safe, from all enemies, forever."
23:45.28MonetI love Blizzard humour.
23:45.52AtsyBoiIs it the "Forever" part?
23:47.00MonetI ended up reading on the species of Andromeda.
23:47.04OluapPlayerFucking hell that page is hilarious
23:47.19Tek0516Oh, there it is. >.< There's a Farengeto page that's no longer canon, and despite not even having Farengeto in the name it's one of the top automatic results for Farengeto. And now I've finally figured out why. -.-
23:47.32DrodoEmpireOh?
23:47.39MonetOluapPLayer: "players will not be able to enter any raid instance without having first completed the Maw of Souls dungeon at least 500 times on Mythic Keystone difficulty."
23:47.41Tek0516Because, *waits for rage from Techno* there's a redirect in the fiction namespace to it. >.>
23:47.46TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, yeah, I saw
23:47.49TechnobliteratorGood stuff :o
23:48.20Monet"After careful consideration, Odyn has admitted that beating his champions nearly to death immediately before sending them to battle in Helheim was perhaps not the wisest course of action. As such, the Odyn encounter in Trial of Valor has been replaced with a written exam." my sides
23:48.59Tek0516...my comment about fiction redirects seems to have immediately summoned Technobliterator. XD
23:49.12Monet"It's the Eye of Azshara. It's the thrill of the fight." okay I might have found my vavourite
23:49.33Monet"measuring up to the challenge of the Legion"
23:49.45OluapPlayer"The errant letter 'e' has been removed from the names of the talents Bacon of Faith, Bacon of the Lightbringer, and Bacon of Virtue."
23:49.47OluapPlayerGoddamnit
23:49.51TechnobliteratorWell, I can't find the fiction redirect, so you are off the hook
23:49.54Technobliteratorfor now
23:49.55Technobliterator8D
23:50.02AtsyBoiHELP ME WITH FICTION
23:50.07Tek0516http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Farengeto_Republic/Rise_of_the_Kallion_Syndicate?redirect=no Can somebody delete this at least? I really wanted it gone anyway. :P
23:50.19Wormy_will do
23:50.25Technobliteratordone
23:50.49Monet"and the last known survivor is a moody night elf and he's watching us all with the EYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEE of  Azshara.
23:50.51Wormy_ninjad
23:51.03ZF105Atsyboi What is it you need help with?
23:51.12Wormy_What about the main page?
23:51.18Tek0516Now hopefully that non-canon page I don't like anymore will stop showing up in search. XD
23:51.53Wormy_Do you want :Rise of the Kallion Syndicate gone too?
23:52.07Tek0516Nah, leave it for now. It's just non-canon.
23:52.18Tek0516It's old and cringy. :P
23:53.04MonetImagine when artifact knowledge reaches OVER NINE THOUSAAAAND!
23:53.34OluapPlayerwe 2007 now
23:54.04AtsyBoi1997*
23:54.12MonetCool.
23:54.25OluapPlayer"remember to go through this list and randomly remove a few changes before you post this."
23:54.30OluapPlayerThis is too meta and it pisses me off hur
23:55.40Monet"You'll automatically be given a traditional Demon Hunter name, such as "Skillidan" "Chillidan" or "Ìllïdåñ""
23:56.00AtsyBoiIllidanillidan
23:56.23OluapPlayerI legit have a guy on my guild with a demon hunter called IllidanJR
23:57.08Wormy_bbl playing Elite
23:57.09AtsyBoiWhat people are ok with doing a collab fic with me?
23:57.16MonetFunnily enough I once played CHampions Online with a guy whose character was a Deadpool clone called Livepool.
23:57.23DrodoEmpireWell, we'll need more information that a "collab fic"
23:57.29DrodoEmpireWhat's the collab? With what fiction?
23:58.52MonetOh man the Frozen jokes for the Mages

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