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01:55.11MonetDrodoEmpire: Don't know about Canada but over here that plate wouldn't be legal because it doesn't have any numbers.
01:55.46DrodoEmpireNah it was issued by the government, and the only reason that it wasn't renewed seems to be that it was 'offensive'
02:18.41MonetI see
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07:54.49HachimanHi
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08:06.23GhelaeHello.
08:07.13HachimanHi
08:19.01Technobliterator~test
08:19.01infobotfrom memory, test is not funny
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08:27.13MethanogenHello
08:28.49GhelaeHello.
08:29.04MethanogenHi, how are you doing?
08:29.15GhelaeI'm okay; how about you?
08:29.31MethanogenFairly good
08:30.00MethanogenDo you ever get that feeling where you have a million random ideas and no way to connect them and really should be working on what you already have?
08:31.31MethanogenThat kind of the feeling I have atm
08:35.13MethanogenI've still got to come up with history which I cannot seem to find much inspiration for
08:38.37HachimanYeah, I get what you mean
08:38.40HachimanAlso hi
08:39.06MethanogenHi Hachi
08:40.21MethanogenBut yeah, I've got to come up with history stuff, and hopefully develop some kind of story soon
08:44.20MethanogenAny advice for this sort of stuff?
08:45.43GhelaeThere's no point rushing to do things you don't know how to do. If you have other ideas to write down, focus on them, and maybe ideas of history will come to you while you're not trying to think about them.
08:46.08MethanogenGot it
08:46.16MethanogenSo basically don't try to force it
08:47.16GhelaeExactly.
08:48.15MethanogenJust wait until you actually get ideas then write those down and expand on it?
08:48.34GhelaeYes.
08:49.09MethanogenI'll do that then, thanks for the help
08:52.19MethanogenGtg, nice talking
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10:02.18Wormy_hi
10:03.38GhelaeHello.
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10:48.57MonetHi
10:49.23GhelaeHi
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11:03.06MethanogenHello
11:10.53Monet2Hi
11:11.09MethanogenAh hi there, how are you going?
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11:13.08MethanogenName reset?
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11:13.44MethanogenName change again?
11:14.35Monet2Was in a lift
11:14.53MethanogenAhhhh that explains it
11:16.40HachimanHi
11:16.56MethanogenHi Hachi
11:20.37MethanogenHere's a random question: do you generally prefer standard or exotic life?
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11:22.14WormydroidHi
11:22.15MethanogenHi
11:24.22MethanogenAnother random question (sorry for asking so many of them): what's your favourite fiction that you've created?
11:26.04WormydroidToo hard for me to say
11:26.26WormydroidI can think of fictions that gave me more joy makibg
11:26.38MethanogenMine is....yeah I have only two and I can't even decide
11:26.41MethanogenWhat would those be then?
11:27.04WormydroidLike Multiverse, Destinies in time, aa for politics/war stuff, Attero Dominatys are up there
11:27.25MethanogenI see
11:27.27WormydroidDominatus
11:27.41MethanogenI liked making..well..I only have four pages so I don't think that's enough to really judge
11:28.05HachimanSorry I was afk
11:28.06HachimanHm
11:28.15HachimanI like both standard and exotic life
11:28.22HachimanEspecially when they interact with one another
11:28.28MethanogenAs do I really
11:28.31WormydroidThere's also the Great Xonexian Schism, though it also caused a lot if tension
11:28.38MethanogenIt did?
11:28.48MethanogenI just know it was a thing and that Xonexi is a cluster
11:29.27MethanogenExotic and standard life interacting can make for some entertaining and interesting experiences I'm sure
11:30.57HachimanAye
11:31.22WormydroidI like thinking about the exotic aliens and their relatiobship to the world.  What is thrir experience of it?  goals?  psychology?
11:31.38MethanogenTrue that stuff is interesting
11:32.05WormydroidYou might like the book Dragon's Egg
11:32.20MethanogenI haven't made any aliens with truly unapproachable psychology (yet anyway) because i get the feeling I should work with stuff I can at least understand
11:32.26MethanogenI've never heard of that
11:32.32WormydroidInvolves neutron star life
11:32.55MethanogenThat sounds very exotic indeed
11:33.04HachimanAlso, the Xeelee Sequence features... what even are the Qax?
11:34.14MethanogenSo far I've just got sulfurif acid solvent aliens and carbon-based aquatic hemocyanin-chlorocruorin reverse chirality starfish aliens
11:34.36MethanogenI really need to make a methanogen sometime so I live up to my name
11:34.44WormydroidWell Qax at the cellular level are made of turbulent vortices, perhaps with chemistry involved too
11:35.17MethanogenI have no idea what that means but I'll take the as very unusual aliens
11:35.21WormydroidIts not very really detailed how that works
11:35.31MethanogenI see
11:35.35HachimanThey're basically living bodies of liquid or something
11:36.07WormydroidIn the Xeelee Sequence, humans get conquered by cruel, time travelling pools of frothing mud
11:36.14MethanogenI vaguely see...I guess they're rather confusingly explained things
11:36.28MethanogenThey really need a hose then :P
11:36.54HachimanThey are conquered by cruel, time-travelling pools of frothing mud which use actual space whales - or Splines - for interstellar travel
11:36.59WormydroidThat's if you get inside their space whale ships armed with star breakers
11:37.09MethanogenI guess I make fun of that but I haven't seen that and really a Yorchi could die from a hose...
11:37.27MethanogenSo frothing mud using space whales
11:37.52WormydroidBut yes the Qax were fragile and few in number, when humanuty finally defeats the Qax most of them die
11:37.52HachimanFrothing mud that later adapts from their homeworld to inhabiting the turbulent winds of Jupiter
11:38.04HachimanOr something like that, I think
11:38.25WormydroidAnd then to the motions of interstellar dust and eventually spacetime foam
11:38.53MethanogenCertainly sounds interesting
11:39.17HachimanPhotino Birds tho
11:39.28HachimanThey're probably one of the most exotic forms of alien life I've seen
11:39.33HachimanAs are the Xeelee themselves
11:39.41MethanogenAnd I thought sulfuric acid people were a bit weird
11:40.01WormydroidThe Qax could coexist with the Birds and did until Paul whatshisname convinced the Qax to fight them
11:40.35HachimanAren't the Xeelee basically a culmination of surviving species from the early chaotic universe or something to that effect?
11:40.44WormydroidThere are even more bizzare aliens in the Xeeleeverse,but I'll explain them later
11:40.51WormydroidYed
11:40.53WormydroidYes
11:41.13MethanogenSounds like a good source for inspiration for completely insanely weird aliens
11:41.31HachimanThe Snowmen are also kinda weird
11:41.39HachimanI can't remember them exactly but I know they were strange
11:42.01HachimanWere they called Snowmen? I can't remember
11:42.16MethanogenI see
11:42.37MethanogenOh yeah here's a question
11:42.45HachimanIn any case, you can see me and Wormy appreciate strange xenobiochemistry hur
11:43.28MethanogenI've been looking at random species on the wiki lately and saw some had biochemistry listed as "Type A", "Type B" and even a "Type F". Is there some classification system I'm not aware of?
11:43.30MethanogenTrue it seems that way
11:43.49GhelaeThat was an old classification system that I believe we got rid of.
11:44.07Ghelae"Type A" was carbon-based, "Type B" was silicon-based, and there were some others too.
11:44.18MethanogenAh I see
11:44.23MethanogenWhat was the reason for its removal?
11:44.41GhelaeFirstly, as you can tell, it's not very descriptive.
11:45.18GhelaeSecondly, some of them were wrong, e.g. there was "ammonia-based life" where ammonia is either a solvent or waste-product gas of respiration.
11:45.33MethanogenTrue, I still have no idea what a Type F is though I eventually picked upon on A and B a bit
11:45.35MethanogenAh
11:45.49MethanogenYeah that'd be a problem
11:45.55GhelaeAnd I think it might have been Type F, or one of the other later letters, which was worst of all: it was a catch-all category of unrelated "exotic" biochemistries.
11:46.08MethanogenAh....
11:46.36MethanogenYorchi may have been in that...they have sulfuric acid solvent and silicon-Sulfur base
11:46.57MethanogenI can see why it was removed
11:47.39MethanogenSo now for biochemistry people just write what is actually is?
11:48.53Monet2Silicon is type B
11:49.08MethanogenAh true actually
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11:49.33GhelaeYeah, just write what the biochemistry is. Normally just the primary element, so silicon for Yorchi.
11:49.45WormydroidYes, they were called Snowmen
11:49.54MethanogenLemme check something
11:51.21MethanogenI wrote " silicon/sulfur based, sulfuric acid as solvent". You see, I was trying to make them not sound like the thing where you say something is silicon based but it doesn't really make a difference
11:52.05Monet2I recall that the Kicath have sulfuric acid for a solvent and silicon as a base
11:52.28MethanogenReally? Interesting, that's similar to a Yorchi then
11:52.55MethanogenWell, Yorchi have silicon-Sulfur base but I guess that's a silicon base
11:54.06Monet2there's a compound called silicon sulfide
11:54.16MethanogenThe Eriaroons just get "carbon-based water-breathers" which is simple but accurate
11:54.50MethanogenI just rmeebred somethjng about silicon oxygen bonds being possible and Sulfur can apparently be similar to oxygen sooooo I thinking that's where I got it from
11:55.24MethanogenPlus sulfuric acid made me think of Sulfur
11:58.15GhelaeIt's worth noting that humans are more like a carbon-nitrogen base than just carbon, but we still say "carbon-based".
11:58.36WormydroidYeah
11:58.49MethanogenTrue
11:58.55WormydroidBbl
11:59.14MethanogenWe are..carbon hydrogen nitrogen oxygen phosphorus based
11:59.26GhelaeThose are the main elements.
11:59.29MethanogenSee you
11:59.46GhelaeBut the backbone of a protein is primarily carbon-carbon-nitrogen-carbon-carbon-nitrogen-...
12:00.05MethanogenYorchi are....Sulfur silicon hydrogen oxygen (maybe? Idk) nitrogen (probably) arsenic based
12:00.31GhelaeSometimes there'll be extra carbons from some amino acids.
12:00.47MethanogenI see
12:01.18GhelaeThe way I think of it is that you need a good element that can form multiple molecular bonds to make up the complex machinery of biomolecules, and that is the "base".
12:01.18MethanogenI haven't really thought too intricately about this stuff honestly, I was more worried about the technological and conditional implications and such
12:01.35GhelaeThen life just uses whatever other elements it can get to build up the rest of the machinery.
12:01.51MethanogenYou also need a solvent apparently I think anyway
12:01.53MethanogenHmmmmmm
12:02.42MethanogenWell Moriahra, home of the Yorchi, has silicon on it, which is similar (closest individual element I think) to but not as good as carbon for this stuff apparently
12:02.55MethanogenSulfur is everywhere because of volcanic activity and such
12:03.11MethanogenSulfuriic acid is also everywhere
12:03.35MethanogenIt has a higher concentration of heavier elements than earth so stuff like arsenic is around enough to be used by life
12:03.51MethanogenHydrogen, as always, is all over the place in one form or another
12:04.18MethanogenOxygen would be around because it's in sulfuric acid and it has to come from somewhere
12:04.20GhelaeYes, you also need a solvent and an oxidising/reducing agent for respiration.
12:04.55MethanogenSulfuric acid was the solvent I believe
12:04.59GhelaeSulfuric acid as a solvent, and oxygen as a respiratory gas, should be best for the Yorchi.
12:05.24MethanogenRight, got it
12:06.17MethanogenSo silicon-Sulfur bass with oxygen respiration and sulfuric acid solvent? I had respiration before as hydrogen sulfide because I misinterpreted how some bacteria worked
12:06.26GhelaeYes.
12:06.41GhelaeAnd I wondered why the hydrogen sulfide was being used.
12:06.50MethanogenAlright, I'll just make the oxygen respiration change
12:07.23MethanogenIt's because...a bacteria reduced elemental Sulfur to it or something which I misinterpreted
12:07.47MethanogenSadly I'm not an expert on this stuff
12:07.52GhelaeAnaerobic respiration like that is fine for microbes and simple multicellular organisms, but I'm doubtful that any advanced technological civilisation would arise from anything other than oxygen, hydrogen, or a light halogen.
12:08.17MethanogenI've got to make a halogen breather someday
12:08.55MethanogenI'm guessing hydrocarbon life would end up using hydrogen or something
12:09.10Monet2One problem with breathing halogens
12:09.10GhelaeI think so.
12:09.21GhelaeThey can reduce long-chained hydrocarbons to shorter ones.
12:09.34MethanogenThey like making salts and generally messing everything up? As far as I know anyway
12:09.35Monet2only fluorine and chlorine exist naturally as gases
12:09.44MethanogenIn earth conditions
12:09.47GhelaeYes; by "light halogen" I meant one of those two.
12:10.24MethanogenBromines a liquid, iodines....something and astatine is...nowhere to be found enough for life and radioactive
12:10.48GhelaeThe bigger problem is that they're so reactive *and* rare in the universe that you're unlikely to find them free in high enough quantities for life to use.
12:11.05MethanogenMaybe a fluorine breather with hydrogen fluoride solvent could work or something idk
12:11.07MethanogenTrue
12:11.14GhelaeYes; that's one way to do it.
12:11.33MethanogenThen again, keep in a mind a lot of this stuff for me is really just random ideas
12:11.47GhelaeIf life is common enough, I guess it's possible for natural halogenated planets to exist; otherwise, an artificial biosphere is also an option.
12:12.03Ghelaelife-bearing natural halogenated planets*
12:12.33MethanogenI'm aware most of these possibilities are kind of unlikely but I still like speculating
12:13.36MethanogenWhat other weird stuff is there...oh right liquid gases like liquid nitrogen or hydrogen as solvents on really really cold places I think got mentioned somewhere
12:14.57HachimanApologies, forgot I had the IRC open
12:15.08GhelaeYes. The problem with very cold solvents is that it results in very slow life.
12:15.18MethanogenYeah
12:15.44MethanogenWhat's a warmer solvent than water? Because most seem to be colder that I'm aware of
12:17.06GhelaeSulfuric acid is.
12:17.12GhelaeI'm not sure about others.
12:17.21MethanogenTrue....that's the only one I really know
12:17.22GhelaeSolvents with higher boiling points tend to be more complex molecules.
12:17.50MethanogenAh
12:17.53GhelaeFormamide is one.
12:18.16GhelaeFormic acid is, barely.
12:18.30MethanogenAll I know about that is that it seems to have something to do with formic acid or something
12:18.54Ghelaehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/formamide
12:19.11MethanogenShould totally use acetic acid
12:19.24GhelaeFormamide has -NH3; formic acid has -OH.
12:19.31GhelaeNH2*
12:19.31MethanogenAh
12:19.44MethanogenShould really have gotten that from the "amide" bit
12:20.26GhelaeThen acetic has C-CH3 instead of C-H. So it's more complicated, and has a higher boiling point.
12:20.56MethanogenNitrogen likes to show up in life stuff a lot doesn't it: it's in a ammonia (possible solvent), some combined life bases (nitrogen-boron apparently) and now formamide
12:21.07GhelaeThe question then becomes, if it exists naturally on a planet, will the acetic be more common than the formic?
12:21.27GhelaeNitrogen, being a common element capable of forming three covalent bonds, is useful.
12:21.42MethanogenHmmmmm
12:21.51GhelaeI've not heard of nitrogen-boron. I do know that there was an uncited section on Wikipedia about nitrogen-phosphorus life once.
12:21.56MethanogenGood point there
12:22.02MethanogenAlparnetky the idea is
12:22.17MethanogenCarbon has a valence of four
12:22.32GhelaeI suppose you're basically replacing carbon with boron, and upping the amount of nitrogen to compensate.
12:22.42MethanogenNitrogen has three and boron has five so if those are together they'll even out to create a similar overall effect or something
12:22.49MethanogenHmmmm possibly yeah
12:23.09MethanogenI just know that it makes me think of crystalline life living on ice planets for some reason
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12:23.28HachimanSpeaking of cold asses
12:23.30HachimanHi Oluap
12:23.35MethanogenOf course, boron being not too common (I think, doesntbkit's unlikely really
12:23.41Methanogen*ignore that
12:23.46OluapPlayerhi
12:23.51MethanogenHi btw
12:24.21MethanogenI was trying to say boron isn't that common because I think it misses out on being produced in stars or something but I could be wrong easily so I won't say that
12:25.09HachimanGhelae Methanogen: Would nitrogen-based xenobiochemistry *really* react negatively if exposed to selenium like that one movie claims
12:25.20MethanogenI have no clue
12:25.38MethanogenLet me see where they are in a periodic table and pretend that helps much
12:25.39GhelaePossibly, but only for the same reason that selenium is poisonous to us.
12:26.16MethanogenIt's in the same column as oxygen
12:26.18GhelaeThe explanation given in the movie is wrong: arsenic is toxic to us because it displaces phosphorus (immediately above it in the periodic table), not because of it's relation to carbon.
12:26.32MethanogenSo it'd replace oxygen which could cause issues Idk
12:26.49MethanogenAh that makes sense I suppose
12:27.07GhelaeAnd on boron, yes; like halogen-using life, it will be rare.
12:27.31MethanogenApparently there's such things as arsenosugars thoigh so I guess something uses it without dying possibly maybe idk
12:27.35MethanogenYeah
12:29.00MethanogenNow I want to combine the silicon (one down from carbon) and nitrogen boron (on either side of carbon) things together and make ridiculous aluminium-phosphorus life
12:29.14HachimanThat sounds incredibly... strange
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12:29.18HachimanHi
12:29.25MethanogenHi
12:29.29MethanogenYeah...
12:29.36MethanogenI doubt it'd work but hey
12:29.48MethanogenIt'd be exotic for sure
12:30.26HachimanI mean, it's the Fictionverse; we can overlook *some* inaccuracies for the sake of fiction
12:31.00MethanogenI'd say if you can explain and justify it and sound like you know what you're talking about and make it appear as if it'd work you can use it
12:31.21MethanogenSo long as it's not ridiculous in terms of power or something
12:32.04MethanogenI could be wrong though I am new
12:32.09GhelaeSilicon-based life is dodgy because of the size of silicon atoms; only when mixed with small atoms like carbon and oxygen it should be fine, so I think that might be one reason why Al-P wouldn't work.
12:32.39MethanogenTrue
12:33.13GhelaeI don't think there's any reason for Al-P life to be overpowered, however.
12:33.17MethanogenI think by the point of beryllium-oxygen life they've gone too far in either direction to react with each other very well anyway...so can't extend it out that way much
12:33.18MethanogenTrue
12:33.35MethanogenIt'd be unusual but not any more powerful than carbon based life probably worse in fact
12:34.21GhelaeBeryllium-oxygen chains aren't going to work because they have no electrons left for side groups.
12:34.33MethanogenAh
12:34.53MethanogenI've got to see what the most ridiculous thing I can make is now
12:35.00MethanogenThat might possibly doubtfully ever work
12:35.26GhelaeIonic compounds can make complex molecules like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteropoly_acid and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyoxometalate
12:36.05MethanogenThallium-bismuth life it seems is the most extreme I can go without radioactivity (one element away from polonium)
12:36.11GhelaeBut otherwise, you're pretty much restricted to the first three periods because steric effects and decreased electronegativity will prevent you from forming complex molecules.
12:36.37MethanogenOh yeah I forgot about transition metals possibly maybe doing a thing idk
12:36.38MethanogenTrue
12:36.58GhelaeAnd with thallium-bismuth you'll be dealing with an alloy, not macromolecule.
12:37.03MethanogenStill, there's a lot of room for variation even within such parameters
12:37.37GhelaeEven gallium-arsenic is... gallium arsenide, a semiconductor.
12:38.06MethanogenI guess indium-antimony is the furthest I could go then
12:38.08MethanogenHmmmm I see
12:39.03MethanogenStill, things can react differently in different pressure, temperature, etc though I never really thought any of this would work, I'm just doing it to see what the worst I can come up with is
12:40.38MethanogenA lifeform which uses CLi4 instead of liquid methane as a solvent would be impossible I bet and horrible even if the rarity weren't up against the most common element in the universe
12:41.48MethanogenLead based life would be ridiculous really but at least immune to lead poisoning
12:43.44MethanogenHmmmm...if we can have sulfuric acid as a solvent...why not go the opposite extreme and use sodium hydroxide?
12:44.31MethanogenI should probably stop being ridiculous now
12:46.33OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: https://s3.amazonaws.com/AZComics/comic503.png
12:46.48Technobliteratorhahahaha
12:46.48GhelaeLead-based life suffers from the metallic bonding problem... but NaOH as a solvent only needs temperatures > 318 C, so it's not too terrible an idea.
12:47.05MethanogenHmmm
12:47.27GhelaeIt might, however, break apart any complex molecule you try to dissolve in it.
12:47.39MethanogenBut wouldn't it dissolve anything complex enough to create life? Then again I did use sulfuricn acid
12:48.05OluapPlayerAlso work on Borealis war
12:48.13GhelaeSulfuric acid works because some silicon-based compounds can survive.
12:48.17MethanogenWhat's a less powerful base then? Ammonia I guess is a possible solvent maybe
12:48.19MethanogenAh
12:48.30GhelaeAmmonia is fine.
12:48.36MethanogenAnd Yorchi are silicon based so they're fine....good to know they wouldn't die instantly
12:48.58GhelaeWell, that's the reason you put silicon-based into sulfuric-acid solvents: because that's what works.
12:49.18MethanogenHmmmm...I've heard stuff about ideas of water being mixed with other liquids possibly maybe working
12:49.19MethanogenTrue
12:50.19TechnobliteratorI suppose I can do Borealis War today now my assignments are handed in
12:51.12MethanogenI wonder if it'd be possible to have an alcohol based organism, it's very unlikely though and I'm sure they'd all die in the name of resources
12:52.15GhelaeAn alcohol solvent works, e.g. methanol.
12:53.24Ghelae"Alcohol-based" makes no sense because "based" refers to the chain of atoms while "alcohol" refers to a side-group or end-group.
12:53.36MethanogenIt seems less likely than just ending up with a hydrocarbon
12:53.52MethanogenApologies I meant using it as a solvent
12:54.44MethanogenAs a base it'd be methane or ethane I think depending which is technically carbon based and probably awful
12:57.16MethanogenGtg, nice talking
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15:35.00WormydroidHi
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16:04.07Monethi
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16:11.08WormydroidHi
16:12.20Monethi
16:12.44WormydroidHeh people complained my masters had too much science in it, when it is computer science
16:13.17WormydroidTbf a lot of people want to do software engineering / design
16:13.39WormydroidSo we got a software engineering workshop today
16:14.06WormydroidWhich is known for being dry
16:14.18WormydroidWhich is known for being dry
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16:15.30dino82_hi
16:15.53WormydroidTest
16:16.22WormydroidAlso was introduced to Euler integration for physics engines
16:17.08WormydroidHilarity ensues when the laws of thermodynamics are broken
16:17.28WormydroidWe've all of course, seen it in games
16:19.03WormydroidMonet does your course use game engines?
16:19.30MonetIt doesn't.
16:20.41WormydroidMy design degree and foundation degree used a bit of everythibg, 3D/animation graphics engines
16:21.08WormydroidGame engines, after effects, photoshop, illustrator etc.
16:23.09WormydroidNice thibg is that its eady to usr these tools as a palette for projects
16:27.12MonetI've been given lessons in photoshop and after effects.
16:27.19WormydroidThough making sure Unreal and Maya have the same sense of scale and axes is annoying
16:27.21MonetAlso audition, premiere pro and Mudbox.
16:27.49WormydroidDidn't use mudbox but we did use ZBrush
16:28.24WormydroidI don't know why when we had mudbox and ZBrush controls are a pain
16:31.43MonetIt was discussed why we're not getting Zbrush
16:32.08MonetTurns out the university would have had to pay about I think either £500 or £1000 per PC.
16:32.25WormydroidDamn
16:33.18WormydroidI don't know how my crappy fd college acquired, probably stolen
16:33.44WormydroidYou could be surprised how much that happens
16:35.07WormydroidThat was a depressing place
16:35.30WormydroidNot the same college as the one I had my show you saw last year
16:35.46WormydroidThat was a million miles better
16:35.47MonetIf it's anything like Photoshop piracy I don't imagine I would be.
16:39.23MonetYour college (at least the tiny part I saw) was rather nice.
16:39.42WormydroidYeah
16:39.54WormydroidNew College Nottingham
16:41.01WormydroidConfetti was bleh
16:41.14WormydroidConfetti was bleh
16:41.24WormydroidThat was behibd Antenna, which you visited
16:42.04WormydroidConfetti *looks* nice but had financial and severe managerial issues
16:42.37WormydroidMy class was put in the basement with the mops abd buckets, literally
16:42.44MonetEwwww
16:43.01WormydroidPoor lightibg gave me eye strain
16:43.55WormydroidAnd my lecturers were all made redundant and gave up on us, all but one, who managed to save the second year
16:44.08WormydroidYet I still got no feedback for my work
16:44.23WormydroidAnd I was taught by seversl ex students
16:44.56WormydroidThat one lecturer really tried thoygh and I respect him
16:46.29WormydroidIts been revealed that one of the executives at Cobfetti was fiddling with the books at the time, falsifing student marks and takibg money out if the college
16:47.03WormydroidColleges are cut throat businesses
16:47.41WormydroidIn the last year Central College and NCN merged while Confetti was bought out by Nottinam Trent uni
16:49.15WormydroidI'm just glad to be behibd this chaos, which severly effected 2-3 years of my student life in the great University of Nottingham
16:49.39Wormydroid*before going to the
16:50.46WormydroidTk;Dr my course was nearly wrecked and the next one nearly wrecked again, by managerial disasters
16:51.20WormydroidGlad I didn't get in debt for nothing
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17:13.51XhoHeck I didn't even notice someone vandalised my pages yesterday
17:17.20GhelaeHi
17:18.15XhoAd hi
17:21.00XhoAnd hi even
17:22.24XhoOluapPlayer Technobliterator: >tfw President Trump'Ahgloth
17:22.39XhoWE'RE GOING TO EAT A WALL
17:25.09OluapPlayerdumb
17:25.23Xhodats wat u get for electing a loron
17:26.01XhoI do feel the need for the Dominion to address the Gigaquadrant on Maknagrius' death though
17:26.08XhoIt's pretty major for one of their heads to die
17:26.43OluapPlayerYou can address it but you can't attack Borealis
17:26.58XhoI had ideas but not with Borealis
17:27.06XhoWell sort of actually but not in the verse of attacking
17:27.14OluapPlayeranswer is non
17:28.17XhoThe idea was that Krathazhrukhal requests an audience with the PCA and discusses what exactly he should take back from the universe since he lost Maknagrius, since the PCA answer is to tell him to go do one he goes elsewhere
17:28.38OluapPlayerNot gonna happen
17:29.11XhoI get the idea you don't want to do fiction with me whatsoever
17:29.55OluapPlayerI'm not doing fiction in Borealis beyond the war
17:30.06Xhohm makes sense
17:30.30XhoFair enough, doesn't need to happen for other events to occur
17:30.36MonetDeadealis.
17:31.04XhoThe actual idea is that in recompense for Maknagrius' death, Krathazhrukhal tears the Kicath a new one
17:31.05OluapPlayerBesides I'm allowed to refuse to participate in things
17:31.32XhoI now have a clause to get rid of the Kicath so thnx
17:32.38MonetAndromeda is at peace atm
17:32.45XhoKrath - does it look like I give a fuck
17:32.50MonetYou could buttfuk the Kicath there
17:33.48XhoI still feel like having a dialogue with Krath so maybe with the PAE council instead
17:34.01XhoThat would really confuse them
17:34.05OluapPlayerBorealis will also be at peace once the story is over, but at that point I'll no longer lead anything
17:34.11OluapPlayerI still have things to do in the Cyrannus war
17:34.29XhoPCA destroys Maknagrius -> Krath wants to talk to the PAE -> ??? -> Mass destruction
17:34.51XhoLooks like Tuuros will have to be put into use then
17:35.23MonetWell the PAE did have involvement in Mak's death
17:35.34Xhoo rly
17:35.38XhoI didn't see any mention
17:35.52MonetPresumably at least.
17:35.55OluapPlayerThe Draconis and Divinarium have been part of the allied fleet since the beginning
17:35.59XhoKrath - guilty by association                          a trillion lives then
17:36.20OluapPlayerThey've probably shot at least a third of the rockets fired at Shu'suvreca
17:36.44MonetDacia - That was a fun night out.
17:36.48XhoThere was a point when I was gonna send the Dominion back into activity but then Cyrannian started up the War
17:36.51XhoI grumbled much
17:37.17MonetXho: No reason you can't.
17:37.31MonetMuch of the Xonexi Cluster is unaffected.
17:37.49XhoHez - ohai
17:38.28XhoStrategically it would be a perfect time for the Dominion to suddenly start scouring again
17:38.46XhoXonexi is economically and strategically strained despite not being affected much by the War
17:39.15XhoBut then again we want a Gigaquadrant to work with
17:39.36dino82_:D
17:39.49MonetNor sure about strained
17:40.07Monet2020 it's been over ten years since the last major conflict.
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17:40.31Xhorabut
17:41.38Hachimanshitcunt
17:41.47XhoHez - http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/076/748/your-resistance-only-makes-my-penis-harder.jpg
17:42.47OluapPlayerMonet: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8QjJ2uV0AAiWRj.jpg
17:42.51dino82_the rambo might be drawn and interessted in Tuuros as well :D
17:43.07MonetOluaplayer: Lol
17:43.29XhoHachiman: We're currently discussing probabilities of Xonexi getting fucked by the Dominion as payback for Maknagrius' death
17:43.46HachimanThat'd be cool
17:43.52HachimanHachi should get involved maybe
17:44.04XhoHez - fukn nacho hachos
17:44.24OluapPlayerHachi decides to go back to his happy place where lives in a fantasy world with a cute elf witch
17:45.03HachimanI can imagine that the result of Maknagrius' death being a large-scale, intergalactic attack from the Dominion, resulting in uncounted quadrillions dying, will be bad press for Hachi's renown and popularity
17:45.21XhoSantorakh - >tfw koldenwelt is but a speck in Insomnia kek
17:45.34OluapPlayerThat's stupid
17:45.48OluapPlayerMaknagrius' death was required for Borealis to not be turned into a living hellhole
17:45.58OluapPlayerAnd it'd have happened even if Hachi wasn't there
17:46.04XhoWell instead of Borealis, Andromeda gets it
17:46.14Xhobecause Xhodocto don't give a fuck
17:47.57HachimanNot Milky Way and Andromeda?
17:48.08Xhoyeah sure why not
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17:49.32Wormy_hi
17:49.32XhoIt's been a few in-universe years since the Dominion did shit anyway
17:49.34XhoHi
17:50.16Wormy_Yeah, the way they're acting small time empires have caused more death and detruction in the intervening years
17:50.42XhoHez - >tfw you don't need to do your job because others are doing your job for you
17:50.53Xho"The Mahanayan Dream"
17:51.46XhoI wonder what that event would be called
17:51.53Wormy_true
17:51.57XhoI had the name 'Sundering of Xonexi' but I'm open for suggestions
17:53.08HachimanTsundereing of Xonexi
17:53.20XhoSantorakh - ORE WA OCHINCHIN GA DAISUKI NANDAYO
17:53.42MonetTolling of the Bells
17:54.34HachimanThat sounds like a marriage thing
17:54.41Xhohttps://youtu.be/6pbKB2TL3Jk?t=1m17s Santorakh, 2821
17:54.52HachimanHez'Kalka - I KNOW PRONOUNCE YOU HUSBAND AND DEAD
17:55.26Hachiman*now
17:55.52Monethttp://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/for-whom-the-bell-tolls.html
17:56.43XhoThere's a good Meshuggah song that describes the Dominion's reaction to this
17:56.53Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JpvfKUM6Hs
17:59.49XhoOluapPlayer: What exactly becomes of the Kondrakar now that Mak is Mak'd
18:00.02Wormy_Are the Dominion comin to fuk shit up
18:00.23OluapPlayerAs said in the section, they sacrificed themselves to create the Eternal Wound
18:00.25HachimanThe Kondrakar all sacrificed themselves
18:00.27OluapPlayerThere are no more Kondrakar
18:00.32XhoFuck I'm forgetting these things
18:00.35HachimanA race-wide mass sacrifice / suicide
18:01.02Xhono moar snek
18:01.11XhoYeah that's a big loss to the Dominion
18:01.50MonetMaleus - A few pyres are needed
18:02.58XhoPossibilities are now that the Xhodocto will elect another force to replace Maknagrius in order to restore power
18:03.20XhoQuite likely Tuuros' own branch of the Xhodocto's influence
18:04.29Wormy_Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eveK7v2cX80
18:04.33XhoVulusc N'naluk is the name given to its head
18:04.43XhoSethzak being the actual head but a Xhodocto cannot sit on the Circle
18:05.22XhoWell he can but it would be a massive power imbalance considering Sethzak is basically Silver Angazhar
18:06.08MonetYeah a bit of an imbalance
18:06.34MonetPerhaps in terms of commanders...
18:06.57MonetKitoruka/Hez hit the Kicath, Maleus hits the DI.
18:09.10XhoKithworto - now hold on just a fucking second
18:09.50XhoI'm not sure how long Kithworto has been missing for now
18:10.25Monet"a long-ass time"
18:11.52XhoIt was around the same time as Da Reckoning happened
18:11.54Wormy_I just realised Mister Gutsys and Mister Handys look like legless Grimbolsaurians.
18:12.03XhoSo 10 yaers
18:12.03Monetso 9-10 years
18:12.05Xhoyears
18:12.08Xhoyeh
18:12.44XhoKithworto returns to find out the Kicath never existed in Borealis and half of the Gigaquadrant is up in flames                            "lolwut"
18:12.49HachimanHachi - where da FUK hav u been       Kithworto - vaycay lol
18:13.29XhoBefore I do that I need to finish Eschaton
18:13.34XhoHow to do it though
18:14.58XhoIt's a bit difficult to do it without rps so summarising is hard
18:17.08XhoThis is the part where people start being helpful
18:17.38MonetWhat's helped me is at least working out what two characters would discuss
18:17.56HachimanHm
18:18.06MonetRPs are hard to do these days but discussing fiction isn't.
18:19.20XhoWell the last section ended that the Warriors of Dar-Nahalant would split up and muster armies to their cause to combat the Shiarchon
18:19.30XhoSo I guess they need to be written down
18:24.04Wormy_This is pretty interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM_UB-85
18:24.27Wormy_c the cryptozoology and wreck sections
18:25.04XhoSubs freak me out
18:26.16Wormy_the captain reported  "large eyes, set in a horny sort of skull", adding: "It had a small head, but with teeth that could be seen glistening in the moonlight.
18:26.29Xhowendigo
18:26.49OluapPlayerpea-head steve
18:28.53Wormy_Given that if this was a creature, it prowled the Irish sea, meaning its kind still might
18:29.05Wormy_and thyat's too close for comfort hur
18:39.14DrodoEmpireAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
18:39.23OluapPlayerwut
18:39.25DrodoEmpireTHEY SAID THE NEXT TOTAL WAR WOULD BE HISTORICAL
18:39.30DrodoEmpireITS WARHAMMER II
18:39.38DrodoEmpireI AM A N G E R Y
18:39.41DrodoEmpire>:
18:39.44OluapPlayer>implying orcs didn't exist
18:39.48OluapPlayerget a load o' dis git
18:39.53DrodoEmpireayy lmao
18:40.02DrodoEmpireNah I was just hoping it was another historical title
18:40.14DrodoEmpireWH II will be fun once I get a new rig thoug
18:41.16MonetKnife-ears and furries yay!
18:41.35Xhodie
19:03.27DrodoEmpireoh
19:03.28DrodoEmpiredino ded
19:05.36Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#Discontent_of_the_Gods Krath's barter skill is 0
19:09.51OluapPlayerhe really liked that snake eh
19:10.20XhoKrath oversees the Corruptus in a vague light and Maknagrius was a very powerful force in Borealis
19:10.25XhoSo he's quite pissed that he's lost a foothold
19:11.02XhoThat being said he didn't care if the Corruptus ate Borealis whole but he still wants his money back
19:11.34XhoAnd I liked Maknagrius as a character so rip snek
19:12.45XhoThat being said it's a rare day a Xhodocto offers a bargain for clemency
19:14.07Wormy_Hachiman:  Oh, I wasn't going to tell you about aliens even more alien in the Xeelee Sequence than the Photino Birds
19:14.38HachimanOh?
19:15.40Wormy_During the age of Hama Druz (post-Qax era), humanity was trying to eliminate the past and went on a search for the immortal pharoes
19:16.21Wormy_One was living on Callisto, and when he was discovered he demonstrated the existence of some unassuming bacteria
19:17.15HachimanHuh
19:17.30Wormy_Because Callisto is a very cold world, the bacteria had adapted to reproduce and metabolise over long time scales.  However, the Pharaoh said "life always finds a way to play"
19:18.50Wormy_The bacteria could manipulate the quantum numbers of electron shells, and grew "orthogonal" to the universe..  They were actually a very complex and intelligent organism, but lived in an ullterly bizzare projection of the universe
19:19.47Wormy_The Pharoah was trying to transfer his consciousness into a virtual reality modelled on the projection, a "configuration space".  Of course the Xeelee turned up
19:20.33Wormy_But Callisto was pushed nearly light speed into a new orbit, stunning the Xeelee drone and trapping it inside Callisto's core
19:21.46DrodoEmpireXho: Timonax - i mean            i got like a goat here if you want that dude
19:22.14Wormy_I have a feeling Baxter based this idea on rhe robotocist's concept of conducting a fourier transform on the universe to look for complexities orthogonal to our sense of spacetime.  Such aliens would appear highly non-local to us and are far more bizzare than even dark matter aliens
19:22.14XhoKrath - BITCH            I RAPE ZEUS LIKE A SWAN
19:22.23DrodoEmpireTimonax - >:
19:22.29Wormy_*roboticist Hans Moravec's
19:31.20Wormy_Hachiman:  I have a complete list of aliens this far http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3AWormulon/Stuff#Species
19:33.32Wormy_thus
19:33.57HachimanOh cool
19:34.34DrodoEmpire*complete list of ayy lmaos
19:36.04MonetI like how the ship in ME: ANdromeda is named The Tempest
19:36.53MonetI see nothing wrong with naming a ship after a story about a crazy old wizard and his of-age daughter on a paradise island.
19:37.52DrodoEmpirelul
19:41.31MonetAlso said crazy old man  uses his magic to shipwreck a guy on his island and have his magic and daughter seducing him so she can become a duchess.
19:45.42MonetSuddenly I wonder if Terra Firma was secretly part of the Initiative
19:47.21MonetThen again from what I gather much of Terra Firma is about as competent and well-liked and as the BNP
19:47.58Wormy_DrodoEmpire:  ayy caramba http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Humans_are_Among_Us.jpg
19:51.06Xhonot ayysthetic
19:56.30DrodoEmpireolol
20:15.07MonetXho: I thought of another option
20:15.22MonetArsac and her Black Inquisition ,which are Corruptus forces
20:18.18Xhoaye
20:23.43HachimanHachi - boi
20:29.12MonetHAchi vs Arsac fight
20:29.52OluapPlayergiant dragon gets kicked about by bipedal hare person
20:30.06HachimanHachi - wouldnt be the first time
20:30.44HachimanXho: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Steel_of_the_Plagued_Land#Chapter_7:_Hyena.27s_Grin
20:30.49XhoThat made me laugh more than it should have
20:30.51Xhoah
20:32.54XhoSpeaking of which I have a friend who apparently has a WoW character called Anklebiter
20:33.31DrodoEmpireayy lmao
20:33.47OluapPlayerIf he plays a goblin then the planets have aligned
20:33.56XhoShe does
20:34.06OluapPlayerwew
20:34.25OluapPlayerIn that case she also has shit taste since goblins are the worst WoW race
20:34.32OluapPlayergoblins more like        lame'ins
20:35.33HachimanI also tried a new thing to try and make Steel sections easier to read, hopefully
20:35.48HachimanIncidentally they still take fucking hours to write
20:36.49OluapPlayerYes, that rp kinda took 8 hours to do
20:36.59OluapPlayerGranted there were connection issues halfway through
20:37.06Xhoy tho
20:37.17OluapPlayerBecause Hachi writes at the speed of snail
20:37.51Xhowow
20:37.53Xhotru
20:37.57XhoAlso, HAWT DOG WOMAN
20:38.09HachimanAye
20:39.34Xho"She could only groan as her intestines now dangled near her knees"                           not aesthetic
20:41.48Xhohttps://youtu.be/tw429JGL5zo?t=10s Mivtanreior's Theme
20:42.33OluapPlayerhur
20:42.34Hachiman>censored version
20:42.46XhoCouldn't find the proper one
20:43.02HachimanI gotta say
20:43.11HachimanI was genuinely sad writing about Khara getting disembowled
20:43.34Xho"Bilrika - ... Wait a sec. You're telling me she's a hyena woman... who can turn into a hyena woman?"                inbft Weremeta
20:44.02XhoThat's like a guy morphing into a gorilla
20:44.05Hachimanhawt weredogdog
20:46.13Xho"There was little left of what could be called her face, having been shredded and singed away to reveal blackened, charred muscle and some underlying bone and skull fragments."
20:46.15Xhonot so much
20:47.54XhoWell that was a cool section
20:48.02Xhohawtdog got fukin fokt m8
20:48.30Hachimanaye
20:48.35HachimanGlad you liked it
20:48.56XhoMakes me ashamed that I haven't done any more to my stories
20:49.17OluapPlayerthen get to work dingolong
20:49.26XhoNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHk
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20:50.46AtsyBoiHi
20:52.17XhoHi
20:52.32XhoOluapPlayer: I forgot that Maximilianus is a void magic dude
20:52.49OluapPlayerBeing a Shiarchon, persumably
20:53.16Xhoaye
21:00.36XhoSo I was just told that the wallpaper we have on a feature wall in our dining room is a discontinued Fornasetti wallpaper
21:00.47HachimanOh fuck
21:00.50XhoBasically it means the wall itself is worth £3000
21:01.02HachimanDo it
21:01.08XhoSELL THE WALL, OPEN THE ROOM
21:01.41XhoWhen it was actually put on there it was worth ten times less
21:04.07XhoOkay the internet is failing miserably
21:04.36Hachimanech
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21:11.39Xhoohai
21:12.16HachimanHi
21:15.01Xhoebin
21:18.47CyrannianHai
21:21.18OluapPlayer~punch Cyrannian
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21:25.01MethanogenHello
21:27.20DrodoEmpireHi
21:28.28MethanogenHi Drodo, how are you going?
21:29.05DrodoEmpireI'm good, and you?
21:30.05MethanogenGood as well
21:30.53DrodoEmpireCool cool
21:30.57MethanogenStill figuring out history and trying to figure out how to create a story out of stuff
21:34.48DrodoEmpireHmm alright
21:35.43MethanogenAs it turns out, for me at least, creating a history for an entire species is a little difficult, especially the "making it interesting" part
21:35.59DrodoEmpireAbsolutely yeah
21:36.21DrodoEmpireIf that's the only part you're missing, then I'd leave it and begin doing fiction stuff to be honest
21:36.56MethanogenI suppose it had no particularly major impact on fiction at this stage
21:37.46MethanogenSomeone advised me to do it last for that very reason, because in term terms of actually writing fiction it's a lot of work and not as important as a lot of other stuff for new empires anyway
21:38.05DrodoEmpire^
21:38.08DrodoEmpireI said that! <.<
21:38.39DrodoEmpirehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8M3zb8W0AI6XAH.jpg:large 👌
21:39.13MethanogenHaha
21:39.37MethanogenAnd you did? Apologies for forgetting it was you in that case, I tend to remember advice but not always where it came from
21:40.44DrodoEmpireNah its alright lol
21:41.10MethanogenSo, I suppose I should try develop a fiction in that case
21:41.20MethanogenAnd write the history as inspiration comes to me
21:41.23DrodoEmpireWe could begin collabing perhaps
21:41.29DrodoEmpireOnly if you wish to, though
21:41.54MethanogenI'm interstingin collabing
21:42.02Methanogen*interested in
21:42.40DrodoEmpireCool cool
21:42.58MethanogenSo, if we're are collabing, what are we going to do for the fiction?
21:44.19AtsyBoiWAIT
21:44.30AtsyBoiCan I join the collab?
21:45.22DrodoEmpireI dunno, probably not I'm afraid.
21:45.35DrodoEmpireUnless you have a really good fiction with a reason to be there >.<
21:45.41MethanogenI don't know this stuff very well
21:45.54DrodoEmpireIts alright, we can work on it
21:46.07DrodoEmpireI think we -were- discussing a first contact fiction between the Drodo and Yorchi?
21:46.37MethanogenI believe so yeah
21:47.37DrodoEmpireRight
21:47.44DrodoEmpireWe might wanna move this to a piratepad
21:47.58MethanogenI see
21:48.46AtsyBoiah
21:48.47AtsyBoiok
22:24.57Cyrannianded irc rip
22:26.33OluapPlayerNothing to talk about
22:26.51CyrannianI made my Heleanorian guy if you didn't see
22:27.24Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain%3ANils_Agmaer
22:38.47*** join/#sporewiki Liquid_Ink (79d0cd9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.208.205.157)
23:10.43Wormy_<PROTECTED>
23:15.52MonetI'd be more concerned with the circumstances that led to such an act
23:17.20Wormy_Well, she had a last party on the square and was tired and tucked into bed.  Her daughter went downstairs to have a brandy, meanwhile she woke up, forget everything, made a bath and played a CD that was bought for her
23:18.00Wormy_There wasn't many around because Mick (Danny Dyer)'s daughter was runnover in Bulgaria, so he got the first flight
23:18.13Wormy_ASnd the family had seriious misfortune and were weary
23:19.10Wormy_Also in the same episode:  Iain Beale's chippy got smashed after Michelle crashed into it, looking for her 17 year old boyfriend (she was 47) and the truth had just got out
23:19.26Xhok den
23:19.38Wormy_She swerved around her boyfriend
23:19.59cyrabotThat often happens to me
23:20.03Wormy_Part and package with the drama and misery of Eastenders
23:20.50Wormy_Said 17 year old is also American, which is weird
23:21.09cyrabotIs emmerdale the one with Dot?
23:21.14Wormy_and stalks her, while using her neice as a weapon
23:21.21Wormy_Dot's in Eastenders
23:21.31cyrabotShe's my favourite
23:21.40XhoCyrabot: "Tyrómairon: Your fall will be celebrated for centuries to come."                                 that's where you're wrong kiddo
23:21.53Wormy_Yeah Dot's lovable but an endless tragicomedy
23:21.55cyrabotI have a soft spot for the elderly
23:22.05Wormy_only because you eat them
23:22.14cyrabothow rude
23:22.21cyrabotOnly their cats and cars
23:22.29Wormy_Well how is a fried demented lady?
23:22.36XhoQuite so
23:22.51XhoApparently June Brown who plays Dot is contracted to play Dot until this year
23:22.55XhoSo expect an exit
23:23.14cyrabotdunt even say it
23:23.20Wormy_I will legitimately cry
23:23.55cyrabotI hope she goes out in a blaze of glory, saving the east end from non believers
23:23.59Wormy_Dot almost had a car crash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2FKGNSWzg
23:24.14Wormy_heart was in my mouth
23:24.52Wormy_Ooh here's Michelle crashing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNBotb_fwSc
23:24.53cyrabotI like how the people passing don't care
23:25.29MonetLondon
23:25.48Wormy_Monet:  And there's goes Silvie, the demented lady https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD4UMo4kX4c
23:26.18MonetCommuters in London tend to go on autopilot during their journeys.
23:26.47MonetThere were stories that even as the 7/7 situation was going on there were commuters who were entering the affected train stations.
23:27.23CyrannianMy favourite character in Emmerdale is the super religious old lady in the hat
23:28.40CyrannianOh dear, according to her wikipedia page, she's dead
23:28.59MonetSO your favourite character is dead.
23:29.36Xholol
23:29.59Wormy_Emmerdale did a massive kill off that rivalled anything in Eastenders
23:30.04Cyrannianhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edna_Birch - rip old lady whose name I never cared to know
23:30.12Wormy_Huge piule up killed a third of the cast lol
23:31.04Wormy_Shortly after Eastenders did a bus crash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Q2iQGgDFI
23:32.18Cyrannian"oh a bunch of main characters, better die and swerve"
23:32.28Wormy_Bus driver had a heart attack
23:32.43Wormy_had to be in the square though
23:33.00Wormy_Even though you never see busses go through it
23:33.44CyrannianI also remember the tram crash in Coronation Street
23:33.45Wormy_Best thing was when Bobby Beale was revealed to have killed Lucy and then brained his adopted mother with a hockey stick
23:33.52MonetTransport for London set up a new line it seems
23:34.25Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGrxqpTDy9Q
23:36.17Wormy_Another good scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atmq_thS6eI
23:36.27Wormy_Well, "good"
23:36.34Wormy_I dunno I like Eastenders
23:36.54Wormy_Its good to saee all the death and destruction befall people
23:37.06CyrannianI wasn't expecting the blood splatter
23:38.45CyrannianDid they reveal why he killed Lucy?
23:41.30Wormy_Because he's a psycho
23:42.12Wormy_He got angry and hit her over the head with a heavy object
23:42.33Wormy_Iain and his wife hid it
23:43.07CyrannianI thought she fell off a building or something
23:43.09Wormy_And blamed it on Max Branning, who's now out and plotting against the entire square
23:43.36Wormy_That was Max Branning's son
23:43.43Wormy_going years back now
23:44.04Cyrannianjeez how many murderous children are in that show
23:44.19Wormy_Everyone's murderous
23:44.35Wormy_The only good character is Mick (Danny Dyer), who is living in an utter hell
23:45.07Wormy_I like how he's the only film actor in this lol
23:47.33DrodoEmpireWhat even is eastenders?
23:47.53DrodoEmpireIt sounds like this really ubiquitous, trashy British soap opera
23:48.09DrodoEmpire(Well, corny perhaps)
23:48.26Wormy_his wife got raped, bus ceiling is collapsing, he's in debt paying off his son's debt, who happens to be a depressed maniac who staged a robbery in the vic and now turns out to be a wife beater, and now he demented grandmother dies in the bath the same day his daughter is run over
23:48.34Wormy_*raped by his brother
23:48.53DrodoEmpireWell o,O
23:48.57DrodoEmpire*o.O
23:49.15Wormy_It is a "trashy" soap opera, though with quite good funding and acting.
23:49.44Wormy_It is notable for havinf somer of the most miserable plots
23:49.49DrodoEmpireAhh hur
23:50.18DrodoEmpireI think about the most exciting thing that's ever happened on "Corner Gas" is when Brent and Hank retook their old treehouse from a bunch of bb-gun toting teenagers <.<
23:50.37DrodoEmpire"Corner Gas" being a rough equivalent, as a sorta lowkey Canadian sitcom of sorts
23:52.29MonetGrange Hill, a secondary school set drama/soap was pretty fark as well
23:52.45MonetI think they've had at least one "character driven to suicide" episodes.
23:54.20Wormy_Drodo:  Eastenders has funny scenes too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdWa3AKsZac
23:54.36Wormy_That's an old one
23:56.01XhoDrodoEmpire: Ubiquitous trashy British soap opera is right on the money
23:56.06DrodoEmpireayy
23:56.09DrodoEmpireWormy_: olol
23:56.37MonetCharacter - I have to tell you [big revelation] *Eastenders theme plays*
23:56.43DrodoEmpireolol
23:56.48Wormy_With a budget to make trailers like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQS_LfDxe40
23:57.02MonetSeriously that's how a lot of episodes end.
23:57.07Wormy_Also I don't know how many times I've seen a haracter get in a speeding car and kill someone
23:57.09DrodoEmpireYeah Corner Gas, by comparison, is genuinely a pretty decent show >.<
23:57.17DrodoEmpireIt was fucking -beloved- during its run
23:57.39Wormy_I'm a Eastenders fan so I find it pretty descent, the characters are great to watch
23:57.46DrodoEmpireAhh I see
23:57.59Wormy_But I acknoiwledge its also pretty trashy
23:58.12DrodoEmpireSo a bit of a guilty pleasure lol
23:58.32Wormy_I have a similar guilty pleasure out of watching Jeremy Kyle
23:58.41DrodoEmpireIt had a very quintessentially Canadian sense of humour and feel about it-- very inoffensive humour (the strongest word spoken was "jackass!"), but it was also very, -very- dry and well-paced
23:58.46DrodoEmpireAhh fair
23:59.11Monet"jackass" is tame in British vernacular.
23:59.17DrodoEmpireSame over here
23:59.41MonetI think Phil Mitchell has on occasion gone on F-rants.
23:59.59MonetThough I don't watch the show like Wormy does.

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