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02:16.49MethanogenHello
02:18.36DrodoEmpireHi
02:18.40DrodoEmpireHow're you?
02:20.26MethanogenHi drodo, I'm good
02:20.39MethanogenI have the had work of creating actual empires out my races ahead of me now
02:20.45Methanogen*the hard
02:21.00MethanogenHow are you?
02:21.25DrodoEmpireAye I'm good
02:21.41DrodoEmpireI'm happy to help you if you wish
02:21.53MethanogenSince I'm getting to work making societies I have a few questions
02:21.58MethanogenThanks, I appreciate any help
02:22.31DrodoEmpireAlright no problem
02:22.40DrodoEmpireI miiight be able to answer them effectively
02:23.05MethanogenMy first question is this: in general, what's the current state of the universe? Any massive wars or such happening now or is it fairly tranquil?
02:23.21DrodoEmpireHm
02:23.52DrodoEmpireWell, there is a large war, mostly in Cyrannus and spilling into the Quadrant Galaxies, between the Galactic Empire of Cyrannus and the New Cyrannian republic and its close allies
02:24.13DrodoEmpireIf your fictions are in the Milky Way and Andromeda, they aren't terribly likely to affect you
02:24.20MethanogenAh so there is a large war, although not near wehere my stuff is
02:24.26DrodoEmpireSorta yeah
02:24.30MethanogenThey're in the Milky Way so far
02:24.50DrodoEmpireMK, Andromeda, and those galaxies are part of a cluster called "Xonexi", while Cyrannus and Quadrants are in "Cyrandia"
02:25.14MethanogenI see so we have intergalactic clusters
02:25.20DrodoEmpireXonexi has been peaceful for the past (in-universe) decade or so after the Great Xonexian Schism, which forged a new, more stable, fairer political order
02:25.39MethanogenSo it's rather peaceful for now
02:25.55MethanogenI'm sure somebody will cause a giant war again at some point though
02:26.18DrodoEmpireEssentially you have the great powers of France, the Draconid Imperium, and the Delpha Coalition of Planets alongside other major powers such as the Drodo Empire keeping the peace besides some minor conflicts and incidents in order to keep the whole thing afloat
02:26.19DrodoEmpireMaybe
02:26.31DrodoEmpireIts a good, highly-interconnected time
02:26.48MethanogenAnd probably a million smaller insignificant races such as mine currently
02:27.00DrodoEmpireNot so fast with "insignificant", but, yeah
02:28.14MethanogenI'm guessing my races won't have a massively impact on the Galaxy just yet
02:28.19MethanogenAlthough I could be wrong who knows
02:28.20DrodoEmpireNot yet, nope
02:28.25DrodoEmpireBut soon enough
02:28.50DrodoEmpireI'd be happy to collab with you once you have your fiction mostly-ready
02:29.16MethanogenOne of my empires is so far pretty standard for a small empire the other has an advanced tech for age and size thing going on
02:29.23DrodoEmpireHmm okay
02:29.25DrodoEmpireLinks?
02:29.29MethanogenYeah I've got like half a paragraph on one of these so far
02:30.03MethanogenNot much point linking them, I've just got an info box on one and that's it for it
02:30.10MethanogenThe other gets one paragraph
02:30.13MethanogenLots of work to be done
02:30.46DrodoEmpireI'd still like to see, if you don't mind
02:30.58DrodoEmpireJust like to have it in front of me out of habit
02:31.07MethanogenVery well, I'll link it but it's nowhere near ready for use
02:31.53DrodoEmpireThat
02:31.57DrodoEmpire*That's alright
02:32.59MethanogenBehold, an infobox: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Yorchi_Union
02:33.15MethanogenI don't know the standard level of starting amount of planets and such so that could be huge or tiny or anything really
02:33.40DrodoEmpireNations often have system counts in the thousands or tens of thousands
02:33.49MethanogenThis one gets a single paragraph http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Eriaroon_Eugenic_Republic
02:33.53MethanogenThat's quite a lot
02:34.00DrodoEmpireSmall nations only have a couple thousand or less
02:34.08DrodoEmpireIndeed, but a small start's fine too
02:34.16MethanogenI should probably increase the numbers just a bit
02:34.25DrodoEmpireA smidge, perhaps
02:34.30MethanogenAlthough both of these will probably be rapidly expanding anyway
02:34.31DrodoEmpireDo the same for the population as well
02:34.59MethanogenAlright I shall make sure to increase system count and population
02:35.38MethanogenQuestion btw: what to you is the most important part of an empire?
02:35.39DrodoEmpirekk
02:35.46DrodoEmpireOh dear
02:35.49DrodoEmpireTough one
02:36.08DrodoEmpireIf you mean in terms of to have down on the page, then all I can say there is do history last
02:36.19MethanogenBecause it takes forever and always changes?
02:36.25DrodoEmpireBecause that'll take up a huge amount of space and not come up often
02:36.27DrodoEmpireExactly
02:36.47DrodoEmpireFocus on government, society/culture, economy, and military in roughly that order
02:37.03MethanogenGot it that makes sense
02:37.27MethanogenOne government is a stratocracy so nothing too special so farc
02:37.31DrodoEmpireAhh
02:37.31Methanogen*far
02:38.00MethanogenThe other is a kind of theocratic technocratic oligarchic eugenic state
02:38.16DrodoEmpireRight, right
02:38.22DrodoEmpireI was reading on that, interesting
02:38.57MethanogenYeah I have about one paragraph on it in the actual page and a brief mention of the religious part in the Eriaroon page
02:39.08DrodoEmpireRight
02:39.50MethanogenThey have a somewhat unique (as far as I'm aware anyway) belief system, I'll make sure to detail that in culture
02:40.03DrodoEmpireYeah, definitely flesh that out
02:40.10DrodoEmpireI was intrigued by what was there
02:40.45MethanogenThat's good, I'm glad it's an interesting premise
02:41.20MethanogenThey've only recently discovered other planets and stars and even the very sky are things due to living in water near hydrothermal vents all their history
02:41.30MethanogenSo they have a rather exotic outlook on the universe
02:43.00DrodoEmpireHmm okay interesting
02:43.10DrodoEmpireIt could make first contact rather interesting overall
02:43.20MethanogenYes it could
02:44.16MethanogenMost species probably haven't really encountered creatures like that before, at least spacefaring intelligent ones
02:44.27DrodoEmpireThey'd certainly be exotic
02:45.08MethanogenYes so it will hopefully make for some interesting situations
02:45.11DrodoEmpire^
02:45.32MethanogenWhich in the end is the goal of my fiction
02:45.42DrodoEmpireYeah an FC scenario could be really cool with the Drodo, as I have a few ideas for Drodo expansion
02:45.59DrodoEmpireAnd a new Drodo culture, or maybe expand more on an existing one
02:46.00MethanogenYou do? What are they?
02:46.35MethanogenMy goal for now is just creating this stuff to begin. Expansion comes a bit later
02:47.38DrodoEmpireYeah, so essentially I think I might use a new ethnicity for the FC scenario (if you're up to it). Essentially, they'd be the Drodo answer to "mountain folk"
02:47.57DrodoEmpireSo a Drodo equivalent to Armenians, or Greeks during the Ottoman period
02:48.00MethanogenI sort of see
02:48.21DrodoEmpireI guess before I continue I should note that the Drodo are -pretty- traditionalist, and many are rural-living
02:48.32MethanogenI'm interesting in making a first contact scenario, though of course I have to actually finish my stuff
02:48.34DrodoEmpireHence why so many continue a fairly-traditional way of life
02:48.36DrodoEmpireYeah
02:49.10DrodoEmpireAnyway, what I'm thinking is that this group of people essentially live on the mountainside and traditionally make a living off herding-- in this case, herding on a vast, industrial scale
02:49.21DrodoEmpirePicture herds of billions, making their way across worlds
02:49.30MethanogenSo quite a lot of then
02:49.33MethanogenYeah that's a lot
02:49.33DrodoEmpireYeah
02:50.18DrodoEmpireI figure they'd get around to one of your fictions' space by buying the patch of space and settling there to maybe fulfill a Drodo Imperial government contract for meat, or whatever e;se
02:50.19MethanogenAnd they'd be the people to make first contact with the Eriaroons?
02:50.26MethanogenAh
02:50.29DrodoEmpireOr the Yorchi, whichever
02:50.53MethanogenNeither would live on the kind of planet they'd be looking at for life probably
02:51.28MethanogenEriaroon is probably a bit more interesting to me currently so I'll probably go with that
02:51.32DrodoEmpireAnyway, the presence of a few billion herdspeople who live in the mountains and leave entire vast patches of land bare with herds would... probably raise eyebrows
02:51.47DrodoEmpire*mountains of many worlds near or in their space by accident
02:51.57MethanogenTrue it would
02:52.05DrodoEmpireCould lead to some serious misunderstandings
02:52.42MethanogenYes it could
02:54.04DrodoEmpireIts an idea, could go with something different for sure
02:54.29MethanogenEriaroons would honestly be shocked just by life living out of water since they have no acquaintance with such life
02:54.36DrodoEmpireI have a whole repetoire of cultures I could expand on via storytelling, and bouncing our fictions off of one another
02:54.40DrodoEmpireHuh
02:54.53DrodoEmpireSo I suppose this scenario would be a bit of a trial by fire, so to speak >.<
02:55.09DrodoEmpire"Never saw land-based life before? Well here's BILLIONS OF THEM"
02:55.10MethanogenTrue i suppose
02:55.15MethanogenYeah...
02:55.54Methanogenand they have a giant empire as well or at least a large one
02:56.12DrodoEmpireYeah
02:56.21DrodoEmpireThough, the Drodo aren't ones to pick fights
02:56.29DrodoEmpireThe herders, on the other hand
02:56.45DrodoEmpireWell, many Drodo peoples maintain a -very- strong martial tradition >.<
02:57.21MethanogenYorchi have a lot more of a martial tradition than Eriaroons- the latter has had a lot of wars as well of course
02:57.34DrodoEmpire-That- could be an interesting combo
02:57.47DrodoEmpireDrodo and the Yorchi getting into spats
02:58.25MethanogenYes it could
02:59.20MethanogenCurrently neither of my races has encountered life, just to make their respective first contacts more interesting really
03:00.00DrodoEmpire^
03:00.08MethanogenThey'd both probably be looking in a bad place for most of the universes life anyway
03:00.11DrodoEmpireLike any life at all or intelligent life?
03:00.46MethanogenYorchi would be looking for a cross between earth and Venus and Eriaroon would basically be loooking for Europa like moons
03:00.47MethanogenHmmmm
03:00.53MethanogenI'm not sure
03:01.00MethanogenI'll have to decide on that one
03:01.38MethanogenNo life makes me it an even more unique occurrence but it's kind of unlikely probably
03:01.50DrodoEmpireEh yeah
03:02.07DrodoEmpireIts possible they've encountered some alien flora or animals
03:02.27MethanogenTrue I'll probably go that route
03:02.51MethanogenBut intelligent life is far more unique in the universe than a few animals and plants
03:03.01DrodoEmpire^
03:03.06DrodoEmpireFar more complex, yeah
03:03.31DrodoEmpireWe'd really have to make that initial contact something special, as it'd be something cool to see
03:03.44MethanogenYes agreed
03:04.31MethanogenThe two species would be completely alien to each other
03:04.53DrodoEmpireMaybe emphasise the fact that they have no real way of communicating to eachother besides posturing and the like-- I can picture some Yorchi patrol or scouting party encountering a Drodo herdsman on (robo)horseback and neither of them knowing quite how to react
03:05.19DrodoEmpireOr stumbling across a landed Drodo colony ship, or something like that
03:05.26MethanogenYes true, they'd have trouble communicating for sure
03:07.13MethanogenI'll probably go for Yorchi for this, they have fewer logistical issues with this sort of thing (they can walk and have hands) plus Eriaroon will take longer to get finished anyway most likely
03:07.41DrodoEmpireYeah fair enough
03:07.54MethanogenActually, what do Drodo look like? I actually have no clue
03:09.08DrodoEmpireAh
03:09.13MethanogenI've kind of been assuming they're humanoid this whole time for all I know their giant crystal space worms
03:09.33DrodoEmpireWell, they're humanoid yeah, but I'll need a minute to drudge up some old (rough) sketches I did
03:09.39DrodoEmpireAnd a spore model
03:09.50MethanogenAh
03:10.06MethanogenI take it your focus is more on society than biology
03:10.14DrodoEmpireYeah for sure
03:10.25DrodoEmpirehttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/aa/Drodo.png/revision/latest?cb=20140607001547 - here's a spore model
03:11.03MethanogenThey kind of remind me of humanoids with mosquito heads
03:11.44DrodoEmpireEh, not quite
03:12.01DrodoEmpireTheir 'proboscis' isn't really a proboscis, and I know that's confusing
03:12.26MethanogenYorchi are kind of like humanoid insectoid-crustaceans innterms of anatomy, and Eriaroons are like intelligent giant starfish-octopi things
03:12.30MethanogenWhat is it?
03:12.52DrodoEmpireEssentially, its a pretty "humanoid" mouth, with two horizontal rows of teeth (made from cartilage) attached to a section of extended, reinforced esophagus 15-20 cm long
03:13.14MethanogenIt just extends outward a bit?
03:13.20DrodoEmpireYeah basically
03:13.38DrodoEmpirehttps://i.gyazo.com/31a605844422faeccc33a3a9293029c8.png - sketch of a Drodo cavalryman, from the colonies
03:13.47DrodoEmpirehttps://i.gyazo.com/6ed076baff1ef884962b71a6a1cf4c22.png - bottom detail
03:13.57MethanogenAh, you have cavalry?
03:14.00DrodoEmpirehttps://i.gyazo.com/6ce6fe37564288a7e4c64b0a8c3dd61d.png  -top
03:14.13DrodoEmpireYeah, its an expression of their martial tradition and, well, traditionalism
03:14.37MethanogenTrue it is
03:14.52DrodoEmpireEssentially the horses themselves are robotic and capable of galloping at about the speed of a sportscar at full-tilt, are heavily-armoured, and have shielding that can deflect a full magazine of rifle ammo
03:15.16MethanogenEriaroon can't really use cavalry...they don't have a very good body structure for mounting things and they live underwater
03:15.23MethanogenSounds like pretty powerful cavalry then
03:15.43DrodoEmpireTheir weapons are vibroblades capable of slashing through vehicle armour, rifles, pistols, anti-materiel rifles, and power-lances that can cripple tanks
03:15.52DrodoEmpireDifferent cav have different equipment and roles
03:15.58DrodoEmpireYeah they are, for sure
03:16.05MethanogenI haven't decided on my species weapons yet
03:16.11DrodoEmpireI can help witht hat
03:16.18DrodoEmpireOut of everything -that's- my 'specialty'
03:16.43MethanogenApart from sulfuric acid guns which are basically Yorchi water guns so not military grade
03:16.49DrodoEmpireRight hur
03:17.09DrodoEmpireA couple other sketches I did a while ago - https://i.gyazo.com/5eb322b8e729367abaeb81faa1d4234c.png - a Drodo man, possibly an IDMP officer, in more plain clothes
03:17.31MethanogenHere's a weapon question for you
03:18.04DrodoEmpireYep?
03:18.35MethanogenThe Yorchi home planet has around 40 atm of atmospheric pressure (compared to earths 1). If they used a gun designed for that on an earth-like world, would it be more powerful, less powerful or useless
03:18.50DrodoEmpire...Ahh
03:18.55DrodoEmpireThat's a physics question
03:19.02MethanogenTrue
03:19.03DrodoEmpireI'm no good at the physics ?/>
03:19.05DrodoEmpire*>.<
03:19.16DrodoEmpireI'm better with like the actual application
03:19.25MethanogenThat's fine, thought it was worth asking
03:19.37DrodoEmpireNah its cool
03:19.37MethanogenI'm bad at physics too, chemistry is more my thing when it comes to science
03:19.46DrodoEmpireWe have a few physics people around
03:20.19MethanogenI'll have to ask one of them then
03:20.29MethanogenAnother, application based weapons question
03:20.37DrodoEmpireOkay?
03:21.06MethanogenIn terms of what you've described, you seem to prefer kinetic projectiles over "energy" type weapons. Why is that?
03:21.38DrodoEmpirePart of that is personal, emotional preference, as I find energy weapons to be-- and pardon my french-- a wee faggy :p
03:21.55DrodoEmpireBut I'd argue there're practical things too
03:22.45MethanogenTrue, energy weapons tend to vary in...well everything depending on whIch fiction its from
03:22.46DrodoEmpirekinetic weapons are doubtless less expensive to build, and easier to make more powerful without endangering the user or making the thing prohibitively expensive
03:22.50MethanogenCost would be one I'm imagining
03:23.03MethanogenTrue they are cheaper
03:23.09MethanogenAnd easier to make
03:23.36DrodoEmpireThe Drodo solution was to make military grade firearms into coilguns, using a -really- powerful and energy-efficient chemical propellant, and using depleted uranium rounds
03:23.45DrodoEmpireOh that's another thing
03:23.49DrodoEmpireMore choice in ammunition
03:23.50MethanogenAhh
03:23.52MethanogenYes?
03:23.53MethanogenTrue
03:24.14DrodoEmpireMeanwhile... you might need a whole new energy weapon to significantly increase its power
03:24.20MethanogenYorchi use a lot of heavy metals in ammunition since they aren't poisoned by it and there's a lot of them where they come from
03:24.21DrodoEmpireWhile taking up the same space
03:24.24DrodoEmpireRight, right
03:24.26MethanogenGood point
03:24.39DrodoEmpireWell, humans are poisoned by lead yet we use it in our ammo
03:24.50MethanogenYeah we do
03:25.03DrodoEmpireSo they could use lead, or depleted uranium
03:25.17MethanogenBoth of those are viable options
03:25.35DrodoEmpireEither way, I use them for the above reasons and because I think they're a lot cooler
03:25.36DrodoEmpire:p
03:25.40MethanogenThey have a lot of stuff like tungsten but I have no idea if that's any good for ammunition
03:26.01DrodoEmpireI've also based a lot of Drodo weapons (famed for their quality) off of real-world guns I sorta like lol
03:26.20MethanogenFair enough
03:26.39DrodoEmpireYeah might be good to go with lead or uranium, but I'd do some reading definitely
03:27.17MethanogenYorchi tend to have problems with really malleable metals due to some of the less resistant ones melting in the atmosphere on their world, is that an issue for weapon production?
03:27.33DrodoEmpireOoh very good question
03:27.49MethanogenThanks
03:27.51DrodoEmpireIt really could be an issue for ammunition production
03:28.12DrodoEmpireAw, jeez, that could affect a -lot-...
03:28.26MethanogenHence why I asked
03:29.01DrodoEmpirelead's good ammo partly because its common enough, its dense, and it'll deform, meaning it'll fit into the grooves of a rifle-barrel easily
03:29.11DrodoEmpireThrough sheer force of impact from the bullet going off
03:29.35MethanogenGiven their tech they could deliberately make use of cold rooms similar to how we melt metals except the opposite really for this, though it'd be expensive and useless if it just melts again as it comes out
03:29.36DrodoEmpireThat's how the first battlefield-practical rifles worked
03:29.45MethanogenHmmmm truuue
03:30.06DrodoEmpireAnd I cannot overstate how important those rifles were in the history of warfare and thus the world >.<
03:30.15DrodoEmpireThe minie changed the game
03:30.35MethanogenI'm rather ignorant on the subject personally
03:31.02MethanogenMaybe a denser material could behave like lead in Yorchi conditions I'm not sure, but it seems important
03:31.10MethanogenThat or we just use futuristic muskets
03:31.12DrodoEmpireYou could get -really- detailed in this one subject, but I'd say the best thing to do is maybe look up a suitable-enough alternative if you're up to it and conclude that Yorchi gunsmithing suffers in quality as a reult?
03:31.23DrodoEmpireWell that's sorta what I was thinking
03:31.40DrodoEmpireMaybe due to issues with rifling, Yorchi firearms tend to be really inaccurate
03:32.09DrodoEmpireWhich might mean they use a lot of shotguns, submachineguns which emphasize rate of fire over accuracy, and melee weapons?
03:32.15MethanogenMaybe they view smaller firearms as inherently inaccurate and rely on idk artillery for long range
03:32.23MethanogenI was thinking they'd have a lot of shotguns
03:32.30DrodoEmpireArtillery's always been used for long range so yeah
03:32.42DrodoEmpireThey might also invest a lot in armour that stops small-calibre bullets -really- well
03:32.47MethanogenMultiple impacts like that is the best way to crack through Yorchi's natural defences as well, if that matters at all
03:32.52DrodoEmpireAhh
03:33.34DrodoEmpireSo yeah, Yorchi warfare would probably strongly emphasise really close-range firefights and brawls with pistols and swords and knives and the like
03:33.42MethanogenBluntish attacks in multiple areas shatters their shells and exoskeletons whereas singular sharpened ones are resisted
03:33.46MethanogenYes most likely
03:34.04DrodoEmpireAlright cool
03:34.25DrodoEmpireArty and tanks and the sort would also suffer just so you know
03:34.28MethanogenIt's interesting to me seeing how all this stuff affects the history of their warfare
03:34.32MethanogenThey would yeah
03:34.34DrodoEmpireCannon would be less accurate for example
03:34.45MethanogenBut they can afford to be expensive and large
03:34.59DrodoEmpireMeaning battles in general would be on smaller battlefields, closer to premodern sizes and premodern timeframes
03:35.06DrodoEmpireYeah it all factors in
03:35.09MethanogenWould explosive weapons like missiles suffer a lot as well!
03:35.13Methanogen*?
03:35.21DrodoEmpireMissiles might be okay
03:35.31DrodoEmpireWhich would make them the rare, valuable precision weapon
03:35.35DrodoEmpireWell
03:35.37MethanogenYes true
03:35.52DrodoEmpireMissiles are actually -really- inaccurate, depending on the type
03:36.01MethanogenI'd imagine Yorchi would have very expensive but powerful and accurate missiles to make the most of them
03:36.10DrodoEmpireMakes sense
03:36.25DrodoEmpireInstead of like in WWI on where battles could last weeks or months and frontlines would span many dozens or hundreds of kilometres
03:37.01MethanogenTheir battles would be quick although still very brutal
03:37.03DrodoEmpireYorchi warfare might remain premodern-style, in that battlefields are a few square km with a huge number of troops in that space, and the battles would be over in an afternoon, or a few days
03:37.11DrodoEmpireProbably more brutal
03:37.38MethanogenSo many warriors clustered together would be an excellent target for bombs and chemical weapons and such wouldn't it?
03:37.43DrodoEmpireWe're talking firearms with an effective range of a musket, but a rate of fire of UZIs >.<
03:37.46DrodoEmpireYes
03:38.13MethanogenYes essentially, rather unusual firearms by our standards
03:38.30DrodoEmpireWhich might be all the more reason for the lot of them to be equipped in NBC gear of some sort, and likely also heavy armour to help deflect small arms
03:38.31MethanogenI wonder if flamethrower would be very effective in Yorchi warfare
03:38.37DrodoEmpireOh yeah for sure
03:38.59MethanogenSo they'd actually be seen quite a bit instead of rarely
03:39.10DrodoEmpireUnless somebody really goes all out with their armour and makes it flame retardant, but I'm beginning to think these heavily-armoured folks would be a rare sight
03:39.18DrodoEmpireYeah for sure
03:39.45MethanogenYeah they'd be heavily armoured and armed and expensive
03:40.26MethanogenActually, if their weapons are really inaccurate, would they even bother with scopes and such?
03:40.52DrodoEmpireironsights and maybe red-dots at most
03:41.05DrodoEmpireAccuracy wouldn't be a priority you're right
03:41.16MethanogenYes, they only need short range aiming aids
03:41.26DrodoEmpireI can see a lot of these guns being things like SMGs, or machine pistols, or shotguns
03:41.40DrodoEmpireRifles would be bulky and the extra length not very usefu;
03:41.43MethanogenThey'd want guns with lots of ammunition to clear out the waves coming at them, and stuff like shotguns and the like I'd imagine
03:41.47MethanogenYes agreed
03:41.47DrodoEmpire^
03:42.16DrodoEmpireTheir biggest issue would be how to fit as many rounds into a mag at once and how quickly you can get it downrange
03:42.22MethanogenI now have an image of a battlefield so covered in corpses that it's conventional to use fallen soldiers as cover
03:42.25MethanogenYes exactly
03:42.28DrodoEmpirePossibly
03:42.41DrodoEmpireI can see cover and situational awareness being -crucial- though
03:42.53MethanogenYes they would be
03:42.56DrodoEmpireMuch like today's urban combat
03:42.56MethanogenOne mistake and you're dead
03:43.14MethanogenIt'd be a very intense kind of warfare
03:43.18DrodoEmpire^
03:43.51MethanogenAnd extremely brutal
03:44.38DrodoEmpireYeah
03:44.46DrodoEmpireThough, keep in mind the inaccuracy of these things
03:44.57MethanogenYes true
03:45.13MethanogenWeapons wouldn't be that reliable as a result
03:45.15DrodoEmpireYou'd need to be real close to hit anything even if you unload the entire mag in that direction
03:45.17DrodoEmpireWell
03:45.31DrodoEmpireYou could still make them reliable, -especially- if you don't have accuracy as a concern
03:45.45DrodoEmpireIts part of why the AK-47 is unbreakable
03:45.52MethanogenJust not at hitting things and long range
03:45.55MethanogenIt is?
03:46.22MethanogenI guess if they aren't really bulky they could be more compact and ergonomic and have less areas for issues to happen
03:46.33DrodoEmpireIt isn't very accurate, and that's because its made of about... two parts, and its ejection port and chamber and everything are huge
03:46.37DrodoEmpireHard to gum it up
03:46.42DrodoEmpireBut it means it lacks precision
03:46.59DrodoEmpireSo these guns might be impeccably-reliable by simple accident xD
03:46.59MethanogenHmmm...with such large rates of fire and ammo counts wouldn't cooling become a problem?
03:47.02MethanogenAhhhh
03:47.07DrodoEmpireYep, definitely
03:47.16DrodoEmpireThese fuckers would overheat like its no one's business
03:47.36DrodoEmpireMight need some investment in materials science to figure that out?
03:47.39MethanogenAnd sulfuric acid isn't the best coolant for metal is it
03:47.46DrodoEmpireI don't think so hur
03:48.12MethanogenThe exterior would be designed to handle it but probbably not the inside
03:48.25MethanogenMaybe overheating is seen as inevitable with a lot of small arms to them
03:48.27DrodoEmpireSeems a bit backward from and engineering standpoint
03:48.47DrodoEmpireOne thing you -could- do is make the barrels and the bolt and everything else as easy to replace as the magazine
03:48.54DrodoEmpireFire off a mag? reload.
03:49.07MethanogenHmmmm good point
03:49.11DrodoEmpireFire off another and the barrel's piping-hot? twist it out, spin in a new one, you're good to go
03:49.25DrodoEmpireIts what the Germans did with the Spandau (their machine gun)
03:49.33DrodoEmpire*in WWII
03:49.45DrodoEmpireThey made the barrel so you could just twist it off and put in a new one
03:49.47MethanogenSo they'd have a lot of spare weapon parts and just replace the overheated ones with those
03:49.50MethanogenI like that idea
03:49.58DrodoEmpireYeah, and make it as easy and modular as reloading
03:50.13DrodoEmpireI can see guns being really cheaply made for the most part as a result
03:50.16DrodoEmpireLike Stens almostg
03:50.24MethanogenYes
03:50.30MethanogenCheap, replaceable, expendable
03:50.53DrodoEmpire...You know
03:51.01DrodoEmpireThese sorts of guns -could- see some use abroad
03:51.33DrodoEmpireI can see gangsters and the sort eager to get their hands on a cheap-as-dirt SMG that can spray bullets down a city block like its nothing
03:51.52MethanogenTrue, they would actually
03:52.21DrodoEmpireDepends on the Yorchi's enthusiasm about letting their gun companies trade abroad, of course, but its possible that they fill a niche role and fill it really well
03:52.31MethanogenAnd can be easily replaced if mysteriously lost or broken
03:52.44DrodoEmpire^
03:52.48MethanogenI'll have to consider that
03:54.48MethanogenThese weapons have some rather unique properties that could certainly fill a particular niche
03:55.10DrodoEmpireAbsolutely
03:55.40MethanogenOf course they're useless at anything beyond close range, but to some people that doesn't really matter much
03:56.19DrodoEmpire^
03:56.40MethanogenActually, I just realised, how useful would grenades be in this kind of warfare we've discussed?
03:57.12DrodoEmpireQuite useful
03:57.21DrodoEmpireEspeically if the battle shifted to an urban setting
03:57.32MethanogenYes true
03:58.03MethanogenThis kind of war could devastate a city given the inaccuracy and the focus on killing clusters of enemies
03:59.13DrodoEmpireCould, could
03:59.16DrodoEmpireAs would any battle
03:59.30MethanogenOf course, cities have plenty of useful cover for soldiers compared to say a forest or open ground
03:59.35MethanogenTrue any battle can
04:00.06DrodoEmpireEh, yeah, depends
04:00.21DrodoEmpireCities are also probably the most treacherous places to fight in, too
04:00.27MethanogenThis sort of thing is rather situational
04:01.04DrodoEmpire^
04:01.18MethanogenTrue, ambushes come from everywhere, verticality becomes a major issue, can be hard to escape from powerful explosives and such and can be difficult to fit certain vehicles in well
04:01.38DrodoEmpireYep
04:01.39MethanogenBut really this is situation specific
04:01.48DrodoEmpireEh, to an extent
04:01.52DrodoEmpireAnyway
04:01.55DrodoEmpireI need to go as its late
04:01.59MethanogenYes?
04:02.03MethanogenFair enough, nice talking
04:02.09MethanogenI should go as well really
04:02.14DrodoAwayBeep me if you have any questions, I can try to answer them by morning
04:02.16DrodoAwayAhh, kk
04:02.30MethanogenThanks for helping me get the basis down for modern Yorchi warfare
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07:45.56MethanogenHello
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10:20.31MethanogenHello
10:20.39GhelaeHello.
10:20.58MethanogenAh hi Ghelae, how are you?
10:21.22GhelaeI'm okay; how about you?
10:21.35MethanogenI'm good
10:21.45MethanogenGetting progress done on my empires and such
10:26.54MethanogenSlow progress, but progress nonetheless
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10:42.06MethanogenHi
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10:44.46JepardiHi
10:45.01MethanogenHi
10:45.49MethanogenHow are you?
10:51.02MethanogenGtg
11:13.14ImpyDroidHi
11:16.41ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: https://youtu.be/chheYBWbjdk
11:17.53Liquid_InkOff to conquer India, presumably.
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11:22.24MethanogenHello everyone
11:23.42GhelaeHello.
11:25.08MethanogenI've noticed that restructuring of taxonomy with Invertebrata and such has been completed
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11:26.22dino82hi
11:26.25Liquid_InkHey Dino!
11:26.26MethanogenHi there
11:26.53dino82:d
11:27.31Liquid_InkHow are you?
11:28.13GhelaeHello.
11:28.50GhelaeMethanogen: Yes; I've noticed you put the Eriaroon in Teuthidae, which I would have suggested to be the appropriate family in the new scheme.
11:29.45MethanogenI tried to look through it to see what would be best and thought I might as well try put it in the right one- it'd be easy to fix up anyway
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11:31.12MethanogenHello
11:31.26GhelaeHello.
11:33.19MethanogenHopefully the new system will reduce unnecessary taxons
11:34.05OluapPlayerhi
11:34.27GhelaeOne issue that occasionally arose was that people would complain about how the taxonomy didn't match real-world classification. Now it should be more obvious that it isn't supposed to.
11:34.35MethanogenTrue
11:34.53MethanogenReal world classification isn't very efficient to apply in this situation
11:35.47MethanogenActually, what was the original purpose of creating a SporeWiki taxonomy system?
11:35.56MethanogenWas it j
11:36.22Methanogen*was it just intended to classify creatures or was it intended to make things more organised or something
11:36.47GhelaeI don't actually know.
11:36.53Ghelaechecks the taxonomy page and its history for clues
11:39.00dino82@liquid: I am great thanks! Finally some free time and you?
11:39.04GhelaeIt's never said anything more than in the current intro, "The project's mission is to scientifically catalogue as many user-made Sporian life forms as possible, including creature, cell and plant specimens."
11:39.23GhelaeSo I guess somebody just thought it would be an interesting thing to do.
11:39.32MethanogenSo I guess it was just a project to do to classify stuff
11:39.35MethanogenYes
11:40.40MethanogenWell it is interesting to me at least to see how everything is classified
11:42.18MethanogenIt's probably random, but I've noticed that the Yorchi provides the image thing for Telumcorpus now, which makes me feel like I've accomplished something for some reason
11:45.10GhelaeThen I shouldn't tell you that it is random and can be changed by editing the page or adding ?action=purge to the end of the web address to refresh it. :P
11:45.50MethanogenAh I thought it was random
11:46.59MethanogenKind of random question, but in terms of ridiculousness of divergence point, what's the worst taxon you've seen before?
11:48.08GhelaeI don't remember. It might still be around, buried somewhere in the depths of Reptilia.
11:48.38MethanogenNow I've got to look to see what's in Reptilia
11:49.44MethanogenFound a tax on with no species in it
11:50.52Methanogen"Experimentaphade" in Reptilia, the point of divergence appears to be "a reptile made from DNA strands from multiple creatures", seems rather monospecific to me
11:51.42GhelaeThanks.
11:51.46Ghelaedeletes it
11:53.13MethanogenAnother monospecific taxon in there is Chamaeleonidae, which seems to refer to chameleon-like creatures and has exactly one species in it
11:54.57MethanogenSimilar is Venopodidae with refers very specifically to "lizards with venom sacs where their front legs should be" which also has exactly one species within it
11:55.45MethanogenAlso, Moisonidae has no species in it at all
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11:59.39MethanogenHi
12:00.21GhelaeHello.
12:00.50GhelaeI'll delete unused taxa, but getting rid of monospecific ones requires looking around to find a better family to put their creatures in.
12:01.03MethanogenTrue fair point
12:01.10MethanogenI'll just look around for empty ones
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12:06.36MethanogenHello
12:06.38dino82new chapter: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tertius_Bellum/Struggle_of_being_a_Half-Elf#Chapter_05
12:06.45dino82Yvenne has drawn the attention of the Legatus
12:06.48dino82hi
12:11.32MethanogenI have to go
12:15.28dino82bye
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12:24.17HachimanHi
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12:26.35HachimanWent to visit a Medieval castle and village today in some southern French highlands
12:26.38dino82hi
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12:33.40HachimanHi
12:34.12dino82hi
12:39.55HachimanShame Wormy isn't here
12:40.08HachimanMade more progress on Proxima recently and wanted to tell him about recent events
12:45.33ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: https://youtu.be/iZAJdItOLIU >surgiu Vargash
12:45.56ImpyDroidWow wow so that Brazilian fascist guy's surname is actually pronounced "Vargash"?
12:47.54OluapPlayerVargas, not Vargash
12:49.14ImpyDroidYeah but in this song it is pronounced "Vargash"
12:50.16MonetCould it be the audio quality?
12:50.26ImpyDroidI think it is just Portuguese
12:51.01ImpyDroidFrom what I remember with my conversations with Irsk it has a lot of sh sounds
12:53.52MonetCould that be a difference between European and Brazillian Portuguese?
12:54.42ImpyDroidWell so would Vargas be pronounced "Vargash" in Portuguese,
12:54.44ImpyDroid*
12:54.46ImpyDroid?
13:03.08MonetHachiman: Sounds beautiful.
13:07.24MonetI think it's the local materials but Southern European architecture is beautiful. Chateaus can be pretty grand too.
13:07.33HachimanAye
13:07.47HachimanVisited a church, that was quite serene
13:08.06HachimanI find it curious how villages are arranged around castles
13:08.40MonetHow so?
13:08.46HachimanAs in, the actual layout
13:11.19MonetOkay.
13:12.37MonetNot sure how it's done in Europe besides examples like Carcassonne and Mont St. Michelle. From what I gather a lot of highlands towns are laid out to take advantage of the hills and cliffs.
13:13.12HachimanYeah
13:13.23HachimanI just find that kind of astounding how they achieved that
13:13.34HachimanThey're not flat at all; they're very elevated
13:13.45MonetLike this? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/14/69/17/14691736edc38072cbd1b9bd68eaff3f.jpg
13:14.54MonetIt's quite remarkable what can be built with the right approach..
13:15.16HachimanYeah, like those buildings actually built into the side of the hill / cliff
13:15.38MonetOh now those are impressive.
13:16.19dino82looks like a rambo castle :D
13:16.47HachimanLike, I was walking around and saw houses and gites elevated upwards and downwards into the side of the hill
13:17.14MonetIt might be the rock - when I was in Rome I visited one of its several catacombs, the tour guide talked about how the igneous rock was quite easy to cut into and after some time exposed to air it hardened.
13:20.21Monetdino82: A castle on a platform or hil was highly desirable as it made the place much more difficult to assault.
13:20.35dino82yeah I know! Europe has lots of castles
13:20.38dino82germany as well
13:20.43dino82though France has beuatiful ones
13:22.33MonetFor its divided history and its history of revolution and unrest, I'm surprised how widespread the palace-like chateaus were.
13:23.08dino82yeah and well made and sturdy to witstand the teeths of time
13:23.47dino82castle in the neterhaldns were often smaller but often made use of water around it
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13:24.14dino82German castles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_castles_in_Germany
13:24.17NeonPandaholy SHIT rimworld got intense just then
13:24.19dino82very nice ones as well
13:24.30MonetA lot of French castles were I think converted into manors or palaces while al to of English castles were simply abandoned
13:25.28HachimanNeonPanda: What happened?
13:25.59NeonPandastep 1: blight wipes out most of my crops
13:26.08NeonPandastep 2: toxic fallout makes it hazardous to venture outside
13:26.24Hachimanfug
13:26.38NeonPandastep 3: volcanic ash cloud reduces power generation from solar panels and drops temperature and light levels, making it harder to grow crops
13:27.05NeonPandaoh and did I mention the toxic fallout also killed EVERYTHING on the map making hunting and foraging impossible
13:27.18OluapPlayerthrow hachi into the volcano as a human sacrifice
13:27.21OluapPlayerappease the gods of the magma
13:27.21dino82have to go
13:27.22dino82bye bye
13:27.23HachimanSo, how did you overcome it
13:27.25NeonPandaI was somewhat tempted
13:27.47NeonPandaI built a gigantic undermountain hydroponics facility
13:28.43NeonPandain order to sustain it I had to build an additional geothermal generator and five wind turbines, meaning I had to be constantly producing more machine components, which are themselves expensive and slow to get
13:29.19HachimanJesus
13:29.47NeonPandahad to butcher my buffalos too ;-;
13:30.00OluapPlayerrip moo
13:30.26HachimanSo, with your hydroponics facility built, what's next?
13:31.16NeonPandawell, I managed to keep above water so to speak by trading for food, then after a while the toxic fallout stopped
13:31.27NeonPandastill had the ash to deal with, but at least animals started reappearing
13:32.03HachimanAh, so they do return
13:32.14MonetTo pass the time your colonists could be lsitening to old 1950s tunes.
13:32.16NeonPandaso I kitted out my sniper team and essentially just ordered them to shoot every living thing that doesn't explode on death, and for a while they were the sole supply of food in the camp
13:32.51HachimanI imagine Rimworld probably makes for a great source of sci-fi survival stories
13:32.52OluapPlayer>explode on death
13:32.53NeonPandathe ash finally settled, and I was just like "fuck it, I need a break"
13:32.59OluapPlayerelaborate pls
13:33.04HachimanJust as Dorf Fort probably makes for a good source of fantasy survival stories hur
13:33.18NeonPandaOluapPlayer: Boomalope.
13:34.07NeonPandaliterally exploding antelope
13:34.30OluapPlayerI've actually looked for means to make creatures explode on death in DF, but there isn't any
13:34.32OluapPlayerwould be fun
13:35.31NeonPandaevery so often you get a maddened herd of boomalope that try to kill your colonists by the most direct means necessary, including kamikaze-ing your walls
13:35.45HachimanMootherfuckers
13:35.47OluapPlayerAnd seems Rimworld has actually funtional volcanoes, which's cool
13:36.01OluapPlayerDF's volcanoes atm are just holes on the surface with magma in them
13:37.29NeonPandaso far the only thing that hasn't gone fucky for me is an insect infestation
13:37.39NeonPandaI've had basically every other kind of disaster that exists
13:37.45OluapPlayerWhat's this toxic fallout do? Does it just kill people?
13:38.45NeonPandaliving things not under a roof get buildup of Toxic Fallout, which progressively debuffs them until they literally just fall over and start dying
13:38.58NeonPandait goes down over time, but it's a long time
13:39.02OluapPlayerRight, not the mutating kind of fallout then
13:39.09NeonPandaI wish
13:39.35NeonPandawould be interesting to see what the retard who works my farm turns into :P (and I'm not even being offensive, he's literally mentally retarded)
13:40.19OluapPlayerDF has evil weather. Parts of the world are "evil" and have strange weather, like rain of toxic sludge, slime or dwarf/elf/human/goblin blood
13:40.22NeonPandabasically the only things he can do are grow and cut plants, and move things from one plae to another
13:40.35NeonPandahe does those things very well though, and I love him for it
13:41.08OluapPlayersettling in an area where it rains elf blood would be metal as fuck though I've never had the luck to find one such place
13:41.20NeonPandathat would be pretty metal
13:41.22NeonPanda*takes notes*
13:41.36OluapPlayerAbout half of the evil regions are also infested with undead
13:42.09OluapPlayerAny corpse dies in the area and isn't completely mutilated has a chance of rising up again
13:42.14OluapPlayerthat dies*
13:42.14NeonPandaoh also, minor note but still neat, my colony has now outgrown the original extent of the mountain it built into, so if you were to look at it in side view you'd basically see a granite box with a mountain sticking out the top
13:42.32NeonPandaliterally any fantasy character I've played: HOLIDAY *grabs mace*
13:42.34OluapPlayerIncluding things like hair, skin, reptile scales
13:43.42NeonPandaI did however have a very successful raid defence tonight; got attacked by at least 12-14 people, managed to break them with only one person going down
13:43.52OluapPlayerThey're actually bugged because you're unable to damage these undead tissues and they're too small to damage dwarves. So when they fight, the dwarves keep fighting until they inevitably die of dehydration
13:44.13NeonPandabloody greatbows are annoying as hell
13:44.31NeonPandacomparable range to sniper rifles and still capable of dealing significant damage
13:45.38NeonPandabunch of tribespeople attacked, a few with greatbows, some with throwing spears and the rest with melee weapons, became a balancing act of trying to snipe off the bow users while tying up their melee guys with mine
13:45.53OluapPlayerThe most evil regions have "evil clouds" which lurk around the surface. Contact with them transforms the victim into a super undead murderfucker with super fighting skills
13:45.53OluapPlayersurface = bad
13:46.06NeonPandaheh
13:54.48NeonPandaand now I pass out
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14:34.06Wormy_Looking for Mothers day events tomorrow, everything in the Midlands seems to about "afternoon tea at x",  "afternoon tea at x",  "afternoon tea at x" blah blah blah
14:34.38Wormy_Nothing actually interesting, instead overly priced tea and cake that willprobably turn out dry
14:34.50Wormy_and crammed
14:35.22Wormy_Its like the Midlands tourist associations got together with a bloody afternoon tea idea this yar
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14:36.15Wormy_I chanced upon A 2013 timetable by accident and there were far more interesting things, like steam train rallies and photographic collage making etc.
14:37.44Wormy_And in my town "Take your mother to the farmers market this Sunday"
14:39.43Wormy_And mothers day cards suck sweaty arse
15:25.03MonetHachiman: SO I just had a thought while reading random stuff.
15:25.14HachimanOh?
15:25.18MonetIf the Warp exists, does that mean Kanye West's divinity is real?
15:25.29HachimanHm
15:25.46HachimanDoes that mean Kanye West is a Warp-sensitive?
15:26.57MonetOr maybe he is partially divine because he's convinced a few million peopel that he is, but doesn't have any direct power.
15:27.34MonetOr Kanye West is actually a daemon that has taken the form of a supremely arrogant and egotistical black man.
15:28.43HachimanI mean
15:28.52HachimanThat's not entirely out of the question
15:33.39MonetThis is what I find enjoyable about the Warp
15:34.20MonetThough the power of collective belief, anything from a six-titted succubus to the Candyman could manifest there.
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15:45.23HachimanHi
15:45.38ImperiosHey
15:49.00ImperiosOluapPlayer: https://cs541601.userapi.com/c836121/v836121441/2d29e/orxxB3DjBYI.jpg Russian Dalaran
15:49.26OluapPlayerhur
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17:31.27AtsyBoiA
17:33.15Monethi
17:54.09AtsyBoiCan I have a map of the Milky Way?
17:55.12GhelawayAtsyBoi: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Milky_Way_map_5.png
18:02.25AtsyBoiGhelaway: Can I add an empire?
18:05.19AtsyBoiAlso, which side points to the magellanic clouds?
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18:07.18dromHello
18:07.28AtsyBoiHey Drom
18:08.13AtsyBoiNeed some help with a map, which side is Magellanic Cloudwards and can I add an empire? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Milky_Way_map_5.png
18:09.25GhelawayI guess you can add an empire; the Milky Way is an open galaxy.
18:09.42GhelawayAs for the Clouds...
18:13.30AtsyBoiwait what are the unlabeled ones?
18:15.06GhelawayThe LMC has a right ascension of ~5h 23m, and the SMC has a RA of ~0h 52m. There are 24 hours in a full circle and the galactic centre is at ~17h 45m, so the Clouds are between 7/24 and 12/24 of a circle away from the centre, as viewed from Sol.
18:15.25AtsyBoiso bottom right?
18:15.36GhelawayI'm not certain whether that's clockwise or anticlockwise, but for the LHC it doesn't matter: it's on the opposite side of Sol to the galactic centre.
18:15.46GhelawayBottom right, yes.
18:15.47AtsyBoiOk
18:15.55AtsyBoiThanks
18:16.52GhelawayI think the hours increase anticlockwise on that map, so the SMC is pretty much beyond the bottom-right corner while the LMC is closer to rightwards.
18:17.10AtsyBoiEven better to know
18:17.16AtsyBoi~highfive Ghelaway
18:17.59GhelawayAh, no. I now think it's the other way around, so the SMC is more directly rightwards.
18:18.04GhelawayNot that it makes much difference.
18:18.31AtsyBoieh
18:18.40AtsyBoiStill good to know
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18:28.31Luxorevening
18:29.08dromHello
18:32.45Monethttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Third_House_War#Operation_Guillotine did a thing
18:34.25LuxorNex generations which will come across our small realm hidden in vast ocean of internet full of cats and memes will see these walls of text we've once written.
18:34.35LuxorAnd they'll be shocked that someone had enough will to do that
18:34.43Luxoruh, next*
18:35.26LuxorNonethless that's really well made
18:36.23LuxorAlso: trying to figure out if a compound linked below could exist (and be stable):
18:36.26Luxorhttp://molview.org/?smiles=C([H])([H])([H])C([H])(C([H])([Si](O[H])=O)C(=O)O[H])O[H]
18:36.30LuxorPraise SMILES
18:40.24dromI see nothing but a string of chemical elements
18:41.54GhelawayLuxor: I clicked the link and got "Failed to load structure from its database".
18:47.39Luxoruh.
18:48.03Luxor...yeah, same to me.
18:48.48LuxorSo, maybe, in another way: SiOOH, with same structure as COOH.
18:49.04LuxorAs for bond strengths, it seems that such structure should be stable.
18:52.40LuxorThe compound itself is: CH3-CH(OH)-CH(COOH)-SiOOH
18:53.00Luxorwith data in brackets stand for branches of the compound
18:53.57dromMonet: I had been thinking a bit on the idea. I am feeling an urge to throw in more aberrations and other creatures like vampires, while werewolves and undead stand out as dominant forces. The werewolves being, well, the benevolent force.
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19:25.37AtsyBoiDude, you KNOW that program!?
19:25.40AtsyBoiAwesome!
19:27.04dromWho talking to who?
19:27.23AtsyBoiLuxor
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19:35.04dromUnfortunately, your message was about 12 mins off Luxor's departure
19:39.04dromsuka blyad
19:43.30dino82HI
19:57.29dromИмпериос, ето дром.
20:01.05AtsyBoinyet
20:04.19AtsyBoiso
20:05.28AtsyBoii need help starting up an empire
20:08.24AtsyBoidrom: can i get some help w/ an empire?
20:08.43dromХмм?
20:10.30AtsyBoii want to start one up
20:10.47dromTime for a pop quiz
20:10.55drom1.) What is your idea?
20:11.07AtsyBoiempire
20:11.08AtsyBoixD
20:11.23dromBut what kind of empire?
20:11.51dromLike, a brief description or one single sentence you think describes your empire the best
20:12.13dromFor example
20:12.34AtsyBoihmm
20:13.11dromHegemonic squids that love to declare war on everyone and leadership is taken through violence.
20:13.32AtsyBoiHNG
20:13.40AtsyBoinope.avi
20:15.01dromYou want a space nation. Yes?
20:15.13AtsyBoiDiplomatic space marsupials
20:15.30dromnods
20:16.08drom2.) What are the founding/founder species, or the primary ruler species?
20:16.40AtsyBoiidk what to call it
20:17.13dromWhat are they like anyway?
20:17.32AtsyBoiBasically, kangaroos
20:17.40dromLike. blah, blah. Furry, scaly, slimy, or rubber forehead humanoids
20:17.42dromOh right.
20:18.02dromSince you lack a name for them. I am going to move to an other question
20:18.07AtsyBoiFurry, yeah
20:18.11AtsyBoiMhm?
20:18.21drom3.) What is the planet like, and what is its name, if any?
20:18.28dromPlanet, as in homeworld
20:19.07AtsyBoi[thinking]
20:20.08dromUsually, when I want to make an empire. The very first thing I make are the species, then the planet. Then a brief history and then the empire itself.
20:20.16AtsyBoiSmall gas giant moon, Sarilla
20:20.36dromSince the empire is usually a manifestation of the founder/ruling species' own interests or traits.
20:22.52dromLike, if the species like to fight, expect their empire to be a kleptocracy (leadership taken through violence - coups and assissnations with a claim on the leader position, are considerably an everyday food there)
20:23.04dromthat often jumps into wars
20:23.04AtsyBoiHm
20:24.43AtsyBoiDiplomat empire, but ^^^
20:26.18dromKeep in mind that what I had feed you are examples, you are free to go crazy and creativie how much you like to
20:26.44dromAlthough keep in mind it is easier to have a kind of reason WHY and HOW the empire is like this
20:27.37AtsyBoiOk
20:27.57AtsyBoiSo, since i'm a visual learner, is there a things to do/not do page?
20:28.30dromhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Guidelines/Bad_Starter_Example
20:28.38AtsyBoiThanks
20:28.46dromthe old classic from Technobliterator's inner childhood
20:29.28dromFor the good example one, consult this one posted below
20:29.28dromhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Guidelines/Good_Starter_Example
20:32.52AtsyBoii want to make another guideline one
20:32.57dromAtsyBoi: And there is an archive of other empires the community has considered to be of good quality and worthy to be featured at the first page
20:32.58AtsyBoii'm good at jokes
20:32.58dromhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Featured_Articles#Featured_Empires
20:33.03AtsyBoiOk
20:36.21dromAtsyBoi, you are free to make one such empire. But keep in mind not everyone thinks it is necessary. Or an rude act stomping on toes at worst.
20:36.51AtsyBoiAs in SW:FG/BSE 2
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20:37.22AtsyBoiHi
20:37.36dromHello
20:37.50MethanogenHello
20:44.50AtsyBoi~break ice
20:44.50infobotACTION installs Windows into ice's brain, reboots it, adds more Microsoft products, and reboots again.
20:45.59MethanogenThat's certainly an interesting way to break ice
20:46.08MethanogenMost people would just smash it with a sledgehammer
20:47.28dromUgh, this is not how you break ICE damnit
20:48.10dromStupid washed up data cowboys
20:48.20AtsyBoi~lol
20:48.20infobotsomebody said lol was stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.
20:48.57MethanogenI am not very familiar with data stuff
20:49.19dromhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer
20:49.48MonetYeehaw
20:49.56MonetInto Cyberspace we go!
20:50.04dromBasically
20:50.43AtsyBoirides a computer virus into a PC
20:50.47MethanogenAh I see
20:50.49dromAlso, have one tip, from my experience
20:51.11dromDo not use the ~ commands when not necessary
20:51.18dromMost of the people here find it annoying
20:51.29Methanogen*activates firewall*
20:51.45Monet"[he] died, he contracted a rather nasty case of Plot" - need to remember that line net time I encounter plot-induced death.
20:51.48MethanogenI have a tendency to use asterisks for this sort of thing for some reason
20:51.58MethanogenHaha
20:52.06MethanogenAren't all fictional deaths plot induced?
20:52.34AtsyBoiSHIT
20:52.36AtsyBoidies
20:53.15MonetIts the convenient Obi-Wan like plot deaths that are tiring.
20:53.30Monet"I am going to die now so you can carry on"
20:53.37MethanogenAh
20:53.43MethanogenUsually living helps more
20:54.05Monethttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/88/41/26/884126691d1170d56f4acf5c839c8cbf.jpg
20:54.06Methanogen*revives Atsyboi*
20:54.25MethanogenHaha
20:54.46AtsyBoiI AM BECOME VIRUS, DESTROYER OF COMPUTERS
20:56.20MethanogenAaaah no
20:56.21dromMonet: "I am going to die of age, carry on"
20:56.58Methanogen*deletes Atsyboi*
20:59.47Monet<PROTECTED>
21:00.06Monet<PROTECTED>
21:00.27dromMonet: вот Imperios, мои сука.
21:00.41ImperiosТЫ КОГО НАЗВАЛ СУКОЙ УЕБА
21:00.45Monet<PROTECTED>
21:01.26OluapPlayerNo wonder Ryder is smiling when they tell the others he's dead then
21:02.30dromImperios: Я
21:02.43ImperiosSo how is the plot in Andromeda?
21:04.03MonetIn the early hours it's well I guess mediocre.
21:04.12dromImperios: I did call you a bitch of mine.
21:04.30MonetOur protagonist has daddy issues, as it turns out.
21:04.58ImperiosI heard rumours that Leviathans are involved later on
21:05.03ImperiosBut these are just rumours
21:05.25MethanogenI have no idea of what any of this is
21:05.42dromI am trying to learn Russian
21:06.26OluapPlayerMass Effect
21:06.30MonetThere's Precursor Tech
21:06.30OluapPlayerVideogame series
21:06.54MethanogenAhhh I haven't really played that one
21:06.57MonetAlso turns out we're only centuries after the events of the Trilogy though crysoleep
21:07.08MonetThe arks launch in -2183-
21:07.23dromImperios: I kind of find it funny how you do not explicitly use "is" or "are" in Russian
21:07.29MonetAnd Daddy remembers the First Contact War.
21:07.48dromLike
21:07.58dromFather is at the cafe
21:08.24dromпапа в кафе
21:08.33dromFather in cafe
21:09.30MethanogenDoes Russian have words like are and stuff? Some languages don't but I'm guessing Russian does just making sure
21:09.35ImperiosWe do
21:09.42ImperiosWe just do not use them, though they are implied
21:09.57ImperiosOld Russian used them a lot more so they are preserved in archaic phrases, as well as for emphasis
21:10.08MethanogenAh
21:10.30ImperiosFor example "Аз есмь царь"
21:10.31dromMy next problem about Russian is going to be remember all these basic words
21:10.38ImperiosAz is Old Church Slavonic for "I"
21:10.45Imperiosцарь is tsar
21:10.51Imperiosесмь is "am"
21:10.51dromMan
21:11.20ImperiosSometimes the word "это", or "this" is used
21:11.25dromSometimes Russian is way to similar to some European languages
21:11.27MethanogenI'm just going to stick to English..
21:11.28ImperiosLike in French
21:11.34Imperios"L'etat, c'est moi"
21:11.39Imperios"Государство - это я"
21:12.03Imperios"The State (there) is me"
21:12.34Imperios"это" is usually used when connecting two nouns together
21:12.38MonetWatching Andromeda footage is tempting me into playing Civ Beyond Earth again
21:12.53dromImperios. ryuk = back?
21:12.59Imperiosрюк?
21:13.02ImperiosThere's no such word
21:13.08Imperiosспина is the word
21:13.14ImperiosFor example, "Путин - это бог"
21:13.22Imperios"Putin is God"
21:13.34ImperiosBut you can also say "Путин бог"
21:13.37ImperiosAnd it will mean the same
21:14.37MonetI'm tempted towards playing either as Kozlov and building the Imperium of Man or Elodie and creating a mechanical utopia.
21:14.50dromрюкзáк
21:14.57drombackpack
21:15.25ImperiosOh
21:15.37ImperiosThat's not a native Russian word
21:15.48ImperiosIt's Germanic in origin
21:15.50Imperios"ruck-sack"
21:16.03MethanogenI have to go
21:16.19dromThought so
21:16.22dromJust like
21:16.26dromрадио
21:16.29dromмотор
21:16.36dromмама
21:16.38dromпапа
21:19.21Imperioshttps://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Rucksack there you go
21:20.04Monet<PROTECTED>
21:20.18Imperiosholy fuck
21:20.30ImperiosApparently the word "sack" literally has Ancient Egyptian origins
21:21.07Imperiosdrom: Ryggsäck
21:21.28dromYep
21:21.35dromMagsäck
21:21.38dromMatsäck
21:21.43ImperiosFrom Middle English sak (“bag, sackcloth”), from Old English sacc (“sack, bag”) and Old English sæcc (“sackcloth, sacking”); both from Proto-Germanic *sakkuz (“sack”), from Latin saccus (“large bag”), from Ancient Greek σάκκος (sákkos, “bag of coarse cloth”), from Phoenician, Ancient Egyptian 𓆷𓈎𓄜 (sAq, “sack”)
21:21.48ImperiosFucking sacks
21:21.56dromNötsäck
21:22.14dromKulsäck
21:28.06Imperiosdrom Monet: https://2ch.hk/po/src/21574938/14904715763530.webm Cooking with Syrians
21:30.31drom10/10
21:33.42dromImperios: Then you have derivates like "säcke" "socka"
21:34.55MonetImperios: "It's just like pizza, but happier"
21:35.40Imperiosdrom: >socka
21:35.41ImperiosBROTHERS
21:36.53dromyou fucking socka blyat
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21:38.17TreebeardHello
21:38.56dromAtsy|Videos: If ya don't mind me distrupting you for a second. How is your empire doing?
21:41.09dromImperios: If you are wondering how we Swedes say "bitch"
21:41.18dromThere are like two ways to do that
21:41.42ImperiosHm?
21:41.47drom"fitta" (technically either 'pussy' and 'vagina') and "hora"
21:42.00Monet<PROTECTED>
21:42.02dromthe latter translating as "whore"
21:42.20dromMonet: That and jihad to spice it up
21:43.00Monet<PROTECTED>
21:43.56dromImperios, noooooo.
21:45.26dromMonet: I was waiting for Wormy and Xho to post this. But I gonna give it up. http://i.imgur.com/JGju26j.gifv
21:45.36dromthis to them*
21:46.22MonetAwww
21:56.42dromWhy are these kits so ridiculously cute
21:58.18MonetThey're like puppies
22:00.16dromIt also helps it has the behaviour of cats and dogs bastardized in one fine package.
22:00.50dromMonet Tek0516: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/269434270190272512/295315735180214277/unknown.png
22:01.09Tek0516O.o
22:01.50MonetOh yeah there was a thing where people realised baby porcupines look like a Niffler from Fantastic Beasts.
22:04.13Monethttps://www.mumsnet.com/uploads/talk/201606/large-737188-13450267-10154301184994846-4813284213533264926-n.jpg
22:05.47AtsyBoiwhat did i miss?
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22:26.57dromAtsyBoi: I tried pinging you asking about if you have got an idea how to get started with the page?
22:30.01AtsyBoidid ya see my name
22:30.08AtsyBoii was watching videos
22:31.28dromNo shiet
22:33.57AtsyBoiso
22:34.06AtsyBoiDIPLOMATIC SPACE MARSUPIALS
22:34.40dromKangroos from a moon orbiting a gas giant
22:34.50dromAND ITS NAME IS
22:35.07dromSarilla
22:35.40AtsyBoiJohn Cena*
22:35.50dromIf you still hadn't turn up with a name for your species. I suggest taking your planet's name and put it in a fashion similar to how you call people by their nationality
22:35.50AtsyBoijkjkjkjkjkjkjk
22:36.26dromSuch as Sarillian, Sarillan, Sarillanei
22:36.30dromUp to you
22:37.16dromFor your empire name. I suggest taking the name of its capital world or homeworld
22:37.26dromOr the name of the star system the empire's capital resides in
22:37.36dromAnd put on other words like
22:37.50AtsyBoiSarilla will be the gas giant, sarillia will be the moon *clap*
22:37.50dromEmpire, Hegemony, etcetera
22:38.27dromOr a common name due to reputation
22:38.28dromLike
22:38.40AtsyBoiSo the sarillian empire i guess
22:38.41AtsyBoixD
22:38.49drom"The Diplomatic Space of Sarillia"
22:38.59dromUh, I was wrong
22:39.02AtsyBoixD
22:39.19dromWell I settle down on "The Diplomatic Empire"
22:39.30drome.g. when there are no empire like it
22:39.41dromWhich is unlikely to be
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23:04.24AtsyBoi~kill the ice
23:04.24infobotACTION shoots a ionized pseudotachyon gun at the ice
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