IRC log for #sporewiki on 20170221

00:15.16Wormy_My answer http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:220345
00:28.10Wormy_Okay I think I might have slightly misread him
00:29.28dromI don't think the question was that good, for a starter
00:32.00dromDrodoEmpire: Perhaps they could, but they had to change their habits to be able to develop a sustainable society. Something something domestication of animals and herding them
00:32.54DrodoEmpireYou're making a bad assumption there, I'm afraid
00:32.54dromAssuming these are fast-breeding prey
00:33.16DrodoEmpireCivilisation -isn't- a conscious or voluntary thing people made one day
00:33.25Wormy_I don't think these sorts of debates are easy to settle.
00:33.49DrodoEmpireIt isn't, no
00:33.56DrodoEmpireIt mostly arose by accident as people satisified relatively short-term goals and made new issues for themselves in the process
00:34.16dromEh, did I imply they had to change themselves over a day?
00:34.45DrodoEmpireNo, but you still implied some form of conscious action to civil society from a hunting-gathering one
00:34.56DrodoEmpireWhich, for the most part, didn't happen
00:35.13Wormy_The carnivorous species would have to make some of beneficial short-terms changes that emerge over time into civilisation.
00:35.27Wormy_*make some sort of
00:35.31dromWell, yes
00:35.35DrodoEmpireMy argument is that a conventional, meat-eating predator species wouldn't form a civilisation, mostly because they can't do food production the same way omnivores/herbivores could
00:36.24Wormy_I'm doubtful that is the case, as in, an insurmountable problem.  Its also poorly defined, what sorts of animals are we talking about?
00:36.24DrodoEmpireThey -could- domesticate a herding species, somehow, but... that's difficult and resource-intensive and still wouldn't lead to the large walled cities we think of when we picture civilisation
00:36.31DrodoEmpireWell true
00:37.01DrodoEmpireIf there were a herd animal that was relatively-sedentary, had low food requirements, and bred rapidly and gave lots of meat, you could very well base a civilisation off that
00:37.05DrodoEmpireBut that's a lot of ifs
00:37.26Wormy_And it would have to make benefits short term, I guess
00:38.19DrodoEmpire"Short term" in this case being the course of a lifetime, yeah
00:38.34Wormy_And that is of course, a massive trap
00:38.42DrodoEmpireYeah, definitely
00:39.22DrodoEmpireTh switch to agriculture was a gradual, accidental one by humans where our dependence grew to the point where we were totally-sedentary.
00:39.26DrodoEmpireWe fell into the trap
00:39.51Wormy_For most of human history, changes like the discovery of fire were rare.  People used rules of thumb and intuitions that worked well, which helped reinforce the process
00:40.14dromRegarding conscious action. I did not really mean *that* conscious. It was just a generalization. Their habits may, indirectly or involuntarily, change depending on the actions they take over a long stretched period.
00:40.50Wormy_I guessed as much
00:41.35dromAnd yes, generalization is my favorite fallacy/tool
00:41.40drom(shot me, if you will)
00:41.54Wormy_I'm reading a really interesting book atm, called Figments of Reality
00:42.05dromOh?
00:42.09Wormy_One idea they introduce is the idea of extelligence
00:43.00Wormy_It is the cultural capital of human knowledge available in external media, in which minds are complicit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extelligence
00:44.33DrodoEmpireHuh
00:45.47dromTeaching and willingness to share knowledge between individuals was stated as a reason why Homo Sapiens were more successful than the Neanderthals
00:46.16dromIn other words, Sapiens were more educated
00:46.50Wormy_Intelligence only has so much access to extellligent-space at any one time, but the better the culture in providing knowledge, the more individual intelligence can do to explore it.  And over time, extelligence evolves.  They describe the gradual formation of civilisation in these relationships
00:48.52Wormy_The baron might think the village of blacksmiths and farmers revolve around him; but the blacksmith might think the same but protection of the baron is worth it; they are both simplex, yet both form a feedback loop that is dependent on low and high levels of organisation
00:49.35DrodoEmpireHm, right.
00:49.54Wormy_They also discuss how cultures can be integrated, but its not fresh in my mind
00:50.08dromI don't know if it is a good example, but there was The Croods - a family of supposedly neanderthal people live in a stagnant culture, although they are visited by a sapiens. The family becomes more educated while their patriarch is resistant to the idea for a while.
00:51.26Wormy_I've heard similar ideas.  Neanderthals lived in smaller communities, so any advancements or ideas made in one wouldn't reach others effectively.  While humans are thought to have traded over wide distances.  In short, sapien humans had culture
00:51.56Wormy_Or a multiplex of cultures
00:52.11DrodoEmpire^
00:52.26dromIndeed
00:52.53Wormy_Its possibl Neanderthals built better tools or even artwork,  but since it never outlasted a individual the record is very poor
00:53.01Wormy_*an
00:53.05DrodoEmpireYeah
00:53.33DrodoEmpireSapiens likely won the "war" against Neanderthals due to our ability to learn and share knowledge
00:53.43DrodoEmpireThe likely fact that we were stronger in number probably helped too
00:53.52dromThe family was pretty much isolated because of the dangers they knew and the fate of other families they knew. Using this knowledge to pick isolation.
00:54.13dromBut now that is an other story.
00:54.37Wormy_There's the dual inheritance theory that regards the evolution of the even the homo genus to be both genetic and cultural...  I.e. the idea that our brains had to get bigger to better guess what others are thinking and communicating
00:54.41DrodoEmpire300 Neanderthals using rigid tactics and weaponss would be no match for 600 Sapiens and their dynamic tactics and sophisticated weapons
00:55.03dromHell.
00:55.19dromIf the Neanderthals were indoctrinated by the Sapiens other than killed off
00:55.30dromI then wonder how our world would had looked like
00:56.21DrodoEmpireWell, there's a common theory that Sapiens -did- interbreed with Neanderthals
00:56.35DrodoEmpireSo what you describe did happen, to an extent
00:56.42DrodoEmpireNeanderthals still died out though
00:57.36dromIt was inevitable
00:57.37Wormy_They also coexisted for thousands of years in some places, though its thought that Neanderthals favoured forest while humans favoured grasslands.  It could have been that climate favoured us.
00:57.58DrodoEmpireHuh
00:58.24Wormy_The Neanderthal bones are full of fractures by comparison
00:58.29dromAnyway. It has been nice discussin' and all, even sounding off like an uneducated idiot. I enjoyed it.
00:58.35dromI got to sleep now.
00:58.46Wormy_They likely approached prey up close and fought it with large spears
00:59.17Wormy_Sapiens had an amazing technology at the time
00:59.28Wormy_To catch rabbits and shit
01:00.15Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear-thrower
01:00.41DrodoEmpireYeah atlatls are clever little things
01:01.08DrodoEmpireHonestly ancient peoples are far more intelligent and future-thinking (?) than people give them credit for
01:01.12DrodoEmpireThey were fucking brilliant
01:01.34Wormy_I agree, they had the same brains essentially as we, along with the same wants and desires to know
01:01.54DrodoEmpire^
01:02.33DrodoEmpireIt sounds really silly to say but its something so often forgotten when talking about history-- people in the past were just that, people
01:02.44Wormy_But that makes the acquisition of knowledge increasingly frightening and important, because its hard
01:29.01Wormy_gn
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01:48.00DrodoEmpireHey
01:49.53Charles_MurrayHey
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08:58.58Groxkiller98Heya.
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10:10.30Groxkiller98He.
10:10.33Groxkiller98Hey*
10:10.34Wormy_Hi
10:23.22Groxkiller98So damn quiet in here. >_>
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10:47.56Groxkiller98I'm back.
10:48.31Ghelae~give Groxkiller98 a cookie
10:48.31infobotACTION gives Groxkiller98 a home-baked sugar cookie to cheer him up.
10:49.05Groxkiller98:D
10:49.08Groxkiller98Cookie!
10:51.32Groxkiller98*Noms on the cookie.*
10:53.37Groxkiller98Moar!
11:05.52Groxkiller98*Steals the cookie jar.
11:28.42Groxkiller98It's too quiet here...
11:29.12Ghelae~give Groxkiller98 a pie
11:29.12infobotACTION gives Groxkiller98 a home-baked apple pie
11:29.20Groxkiller98>_>
11:29.26Groxkiller98Apple pie? Ew.
11:32.49Ghelae~kill Groxkiller98
11:32.49infobotACTION shoots a inverse fluxmeson gun at Groxkiller98
11:33.04Groxkiller98D:
11:33.10GhelaeLooks like infobot missed and hit Imp instead.
11:33.14Groxkiller98~murder Ghelae
11:33.14infobotACTION shoots Ghelae in his sleep
11:33.28GhelaeGood thing I'm not asleep.
11:33.41Groxkiller98XD
11:33.48Groxkiller98~stab Ghelae
11:33.48infobotACTION runs at Ghelae with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
11:34.14Groxkiller98~eat Ghelae
11:34.14infobotThat's too disgusting.
11:34.16Groxkiller98XD
11:34.19GhelaeThis is all a rather excessive overreaction to getting an apple pie.
11:34.24Groxkiller98Figures he'd stop there.
11:34.33Groxkiller98You shot me!
11:34.46GhelaeAnd? You're still alive, aren't you?
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11:34.56Groxkiller98Hey, Impy.
11:35.03Groxkiller98And so are you!
11:37.52Groxkiller98I still need help making creatures for my swarm. >_<
11:38.03Groxkiller98I'm crap at making organic killing machines, it seems.
11:40.59GhelaeAs in making them in Spore?
11:41.21Groxkiller98Yep.
11:41.26Groxkiller98Or just drawings, I suppose.
11:41.54Groxkiller98I'm struggling with the Atacons and Tyrant specifically.
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11:42.29Groxkiller98Hey, Tek.
11:43.13GhelaeHello.
11:43.16Ghelaechecks his creations
11:44.15GhelaeHmm. Small alien creatures I can do, but I don't think organic killing machines would be my strong suit either.
11:45.12Ghelaehttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/64/SilicateMonsterAttack.png/revision/latest?cb=20170123120856 kind of works, but it's not really organic.
11:45.55Groxkiller98Have you seen my pictures recently? Of the scouting aliens?
11:46.03GhelaeYes, I have.
11:46.04Groxkiller98Those are from the Mbrothall Swarm.
11:46.16Groxkiller98That's what I'm trying to keep to the theme of.
11:47.20GhelaeI know. Obviously I don't have any examples like that, though.
11:47.34Groxkiller98I understand.
11:49.09Ghelaehttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/a7/NeoTentekh.png/revision/latest?cb=20160826175119 was my most recent attempt at making a detailed monstrous horror in the Creature Creator. Scaling that level of detail up to something truly huge would probably seem insufficient.
11:49.42GhelaeI do have one thing that's a similar kind of insectoid: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d8/VenusianPic.png/revision/latest?cb=20140830093102
11:50.06GhelaeBut I don't think that's any better than the creatures you've already made.
11:51.47Groxkiller98I see.
11:52.59Groxkiller98I'm trying to base them of Tyranids. Do you know of the Exocrine?
11:53.27Groxkiller98The tyranid, not the gland. >_>
11:54.23GhelaeNo, but it's easy enough for me to Google.
11:54.32Groxkiller98https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=exocrine+tyranid&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix6oWykKHSAhXhL8AKHaFeBXgQ_AUICCgB&biw=1920&bih=974#imgrc=5ebc100JNUdAfM:
11:55.00GhelaeRight.
11:57.23Groxkiller98Basically, it's a big monster with a canon on it's back. :P
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11:59.05GhelaeHello.
11:59.28Groxkiller98Hey.
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15:01.19Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:220345#6 Ohgod what
15:04.25OluapPlayerPoor Wormy has to deal with that
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15:33.45ImperiosNeonPanda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11HVt8f0X-I WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
15:36.06NeonPandanot what I'd have picked
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15:36.59JepardiHi
15:37.41NeonPandaI mean the diggers were trench warfare troops (hence the name), realistically if you wanted to copy world war Aussie infantry you've got one of three options: mounted infantry, a bonus if the infantry hasn't moved, or a bonus to moving through difficult terrain
15:38.06NeonPandanot the worst choice of leaders given that we don't have all too many national figureheads
15:40.25NeonPandaalthough there is one thing that's a bit narky, and that's that we don't actually build things on the pretty parts of our landmass
15:41.03NeonPandalike instead of a bonus on good-looking tiles it should be a bonus on tiles with low natural resources
15:43.03NeonPandathe outback station isn't bad, though the stealing territory from neighbours is odd
15:43.41NeonPandatl;dr not the worst, but not that good either
15:44.08NeonPandaJepardi: in case you're curious, Imperios linked the announcement video for Australia's inclusion in Civ VI
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16:33.32HachimanBonsoir
16:34.05HachimanOr something like tht
16:34.07Hachimanthat*
16:35.12HachimanImperios: Oi you there
16:35.19ImperiosBonsoir
16:35.22ImperiosOui
16:36.26HachimanGimme an intimidating Far Eastern-sounding name for a demon residing in the Inland Seas
16:37.02ImperiosAku
16:37.06HachimanFucking
16:37.12ImperiosFu-Kin
16:37.39HachimanI would've gone with Orochi after the Yamata no Orochi but it just doesn't have umph
16:37.51ImperiosOkay seriously now, Akhu-Nanymi
16:37.57Hachiman>Akhu
16:38.00Hachimanless obvious pls
16:38.20ImperiosAhu-Nanymi
16:38.59HachimanWhat's the deal behind the 'Nanymi' part?
16:41.28ImperiosHaneunim
16:41.54ImperiosIt's a Korean term for the monotheistic God but it has an interesting etymology which I kind of like
16:42.01HachimanOh?
16:42.19ImperiosIt's a fusion of "haneul", or "heaven", and "-nim", which is basically like "-san" but in Korean
16:42.46ImperiosSo, whenever a Korean person says "god", they say "His Majesty Heaven" or something
16:42.58ImperiosOr "Celestial lord"
16:43.01HachimanHuh cool
16:44.44ImperiosThough there's a "heaven" root in some European languages
16:44.47Imperios"Dieu" for example
16:44.49ImperiosOr "Zeus"
16:45.03Imperios*in some European terms for gods
16:47.52HachimanHow is 'haneunim' pronounced?
16:49.27Imperios"eu" is a very weird vowel that sounds similar to an "u"
16:50.17Imperiossomething inbetween u and "ee"
16:52.59Hachimanbrb
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16:57.56HachimanRight, sorry about that, wanted to restart browser
16:57.58dino82_hi
16:58.02HachimanHi
16:58.22HachimanFor some reason, links won't open in new tabs anymore even though I had that set as an automatic thing
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17:02.55ImperiosOluapPlayer: Remember these salamanders you made?
17:03.10OluapPlayerWhat about them
17:06.06ImperiosAre they only present in one place or are they widespread?
17:06.13ImperiosI can't find any info about them on the wiki
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17:10.24TreebeardHello
17:10.57XhoHi
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17:11.38XhoHi
17:11.45HachimanHi
17:11.58HachimanWell, looks like I can't open new tabs automatically when I click links anymore
17:12.00HachimanKind of annoying
17:12.11Xhorestart
17:12.19Xhour life that is
17:12.24Hachiman;-;
17:13.01HachimanIn other news, the car journey between the UK and the place I'm staying in France took around 15 hours
17:13.11OluapPlayerImperios: There is no info
17:13.12XhoYou're a baguette, Hachi
17:13.26HachimanLeft at 6PM British time and arrived at around 8AM French time
17:13.29OluapPlayerI removed them since they were unnecessary
17:13.30ImperiosXho: *YER A BAGUETTE, HACHI
17:13.36Xhoaye
17:13.36ImperiosHachiman: Aren't they the same
17:13.44Xhowell that's a long drive
17:13.44HachimanNo?
17:14.05HachimanFrance is like an hour ahead of standard UK time
17:16.39HachimanMy stepdad ended up somehow getting lost in the outskirts of Paris from Calais which cost us like an hour or so
17:17.04ImperiosOluapPlayer: The reason I am asking is I've just remembered that Lagosi subfaction that I came up with
17:17.14ImperiosYosae wasn't it?
17:17.17HachimanAnd then when we hit rural France, he ended up driving into someone's courtyard and reversing into their wall
17:17.20HachimanYeah it was Yosae
17:17.25HachimanLagosi mainlanders
17:17.42OluapPlayerWhat do lagosi have to do with it
17:17.53Xhostew of course
17:17.58Xhodingbat
17:18.07ImperiosSo these were like fucking North Korean bunnies
17:18.11ImperiosThat was the original concept
17:18.37ImperiosI thought of how to develop it and I kind of remembered that North Korea is centered around a HUGE volcano which is considered sacred
17:18.57HachimanThat would mean there's a volcano in the Western Forests
17:18.58ImperiosSo I thought, why not center Yosae around a similar volcano, and fire magic in general
17:19.11XhoEverwinter Highlands, I mean
17:19.13Xhomountains
17:19.18Xhogotta be volcanoes somewhere
17:19.23HachimanTruw
17:19.27HachimanTrue*
17:19.34HachimanI fucking hate typing on a laptop
17:19.52OluapPlayerRight
17:20.32OluapPlayerIf you want salamanders in the volcano you can have it
17:20.47OluapPlayerI removed them exactly because there was talk over how irrelevant they were. I suppose that fixes the issue
17:21.50ImperiosI am thinking of their location. Maybe instead of mainland they could live in northern, more Vargash'd part of the Kame Isles
17:22.17HachimanThey wouldn't have access to tech then
17:22.23HachimanNot tech beyond the other Lagosi, rather
17:22.32HachimanI recall you mentioned them being more advanced
17:22.33OluapPlayerThere is no Vargash'd part of the Kame Isles
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17:24.31ImperiosHm
17:25.13ImperiosI had that idea that they would at some point be invaded by Void forces and invoke forbidden fire magic to drive them away and protect themselves
17:25.34Imperios...Oh wait
17:25.35ImperiosFuck
17:25.43ImperiosI already have a fiction with that kind of schick
17:25.48ImperiosThe Deonari
17:25.54Xhodingus
17:26.06HachimanYou should work on those
17:26.46ImperiosI would but then there's the fact that they were supposed to be fantasy Radeons
17:26.51ImperiosAnd now I have Alhassal which is already this
17:27.20HachimanCould incorporate the Deonari as being even more Radeon than the Alhassans
17:28.38Xholiteral mice
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18:12.14ImperiosXho: http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/resources/images/5222824.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=responsive-gallery
18:12.51Xhoegad
18:13.24ImperiosSo how are Scots with their new referendum thing
18:17.12XhoStill just shouting about it
18:17.15XhoNothing material
18:20.46Tek0516So same as Brexit then?
18:21.16ImperiosBut Brexit materialisede
18:21.37XhoBasically
18:21.53Tek0516Well the vote happened but nothing of the actual Brexit has.
18:22.47Tek0516Unless I missed the news the UK hasn't even activated the article for leaving the EU yet
18:25.11ImperiosActually yes has anything actually happened yet
18:27.29GhelaeThere was a court ruling that the Prime Minister has to get parliamentary approval to trigger Article 50.
18:27.57GhelaeThe government appealed. The government lost the appeal. So they put it to parliament.
18:28.10GhelaeIIRC it's been approved by the Commons and is now being debated by the Lords.
18:29.05ImperiosYou know our way of doing this is much faster
18:29.13Tek0516Huh, more than I thought
18:29.14ImperiosYou know, with armies
18:30.21Tek0516>.>
18:31.56GhelaeI suppose you're right. We could just nuke Europe's major cities and then we wouldn't be part of the EU by virtue of there no longer being an EU.
18:32.51GhelaeI'm not even sure the Prime Minister needs parliamentary approval for ordering a nuclear weapons launch.
18:33.04ImperiosSee, that's our way of doing things
18:33.40OluapPlayeredgy edgeson
18:34.14ImperiosEdgy things are non-mainstream
18:34.36ImperiosSolving problems with application of force is mainstream in Russia
18:35.18OluapPlayerwonderful thing to be proud of
18:35.32Imperiosrush b or gulag
18:37.16OluapPlayerImperios: Regardless. Checking the Death Knight mount quest, you're given the option of murdering all the red dragon whelps in the Ruby Sanctum for an achievement, which are apparently the last whelps in the world
18:37.36OluapPlayerWonder if it'll be just novelty or if DKs are actually going to wipe out the red dragonflight
18:38.45ImperiosFucking DKs hur
18:38.58ImperiosI BET THE RED WHELPS DID NOT EVEN PLAY VANILLA WOW
18:39.51OluapPlayerI hope it's just a novelty achievement
18:40.03OluapPlayerIt'd be fucking stupid if the red dragons are killed off like that
18:40.58XhoOluapPlayer Hachiman Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Tales_of_Champions/New_Age#Ciqala:_Hidden_Knowledge Well I did it
18:42.21ImperiosI do not like how Blizzard handles Death Knights and Forsaken
18:43.19ImperiosThey turned Illidan from a self-serving but compassionate coward into a fanatic with a noble goal
18:43.36Imperiosthen turned the fanatics with noble goals which we already had into kitten-eating maniacs
18:44.34OluapPlayerwho knew zillum rolled undead
18:44.54OluapPlayerI never liked the Forsaken so I can't really comment
18:47.14ImperiosI played a Forsaken during Cata so I still have a soft spot for them
18:47.36ImperiosPrior to WotLK they were generally sympathetic, helping the blood elves and whatnot
18:47.37ImperiosTHEN CATA
18:56.04OluapPlayeralso good section
18:56.31Xhodanke
19:19.46HachimanOoh I wanna check this Tale
19:30.51HachimanXho_Xbox: Nice work on the Tale, was certainly an entertaining read and I like the fact that Ciqala both had a chance to show off and got her shit wrecked
19:31.14HachimanAlso nice to see Annamasakkan again
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19:33.36Wormy_hi
19:35.27HachimanHi
19:35.27Wormy_Lots of hype about the NASA announcements tomorrow: including but not limited to: a potentially habitable exoplanet discovered; a Europa lander mission; a manned orbit of the Moon.
19:35.30HachimanOr rather, bonsoir
19:35.42HachimanNot aliens, tho
19:35.50Wormy_You in France now?
19:36.03HachimanYeah; I'm in Beaulieu-sur-Dordogne
19:36.10Wormy_aliens are so last year
19:36.14ImperiosI think that name sounds beautiful
19:36.14HachimanAfter a 15 hour car ride from Hastings
19:36.33HachimanMy stepdad ended up getting lost and driving off a main road into the outskirts of Paris
19:36.49HachimanWhile we were travelling out of Calais, somehow
19:36.52Wormy_olol
19:37.29HachimanTell you what; the myth about French drivers being bad isn't actually a myth
19:38.16Wormy_I can believe
19:38.23HachimanWe enter into Calais after getting out of the Channel Tunnel and almost got side-swiped by another car; meanwhile, another car is driving behind us without lights on
19:38.37HachimanAnd then the amount of people who recklessly overtake
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20:13.31NeonPandahi all
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20:19.14dino82_hi
20:30.20Xho_Xboxgoddammit tekken
20:30.37XhoOne minute you're winning the next minute the game screws you over
20:32.14Hachimanhur
20:32.22HachimanWho were you playing as / against?
20:32.31Hachimanalso c compliments i left 4 tale
20:32.39Xhodanke
20:32.43XhoI was playing Ghost Battle
20:32.51XhoI was using Yoshimitsu & Raven
20:32.57XhoI was doing well until certain matchups
20:33.04XhoYoshimitsu seems to suck against Kuma/Panda
20:35.49XhoGhost Battle gets tough when you start going into the dans and above
20:37.15HachimanAye
20:37.40HachimanI remember playing something like that when I owned a PSP and played Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection or whatever it was called
20:37.47HachimanFucking fun game that but goddamn it got hard
20:37.53XhoIndeed
20:38.01XhoI did alright on Tekken 5, TTT2 seems to be harder
20:38.12XhoBut it seems to be based on matchups rather than what rank
20:38.32XhoI've defeated some matchups on 3 or 4 ranks higher than me but lost to 2 ranks lower than me because of the matchup
20:38.59HachimanWhat you should do is find the Kilik-iest character and just spam that shit all the way to the top
20:39.16XhoI'd like to but
20:39.19XhoYoshimitsu
20:39.23XhoWho is hard to use generally
20:39.41XhoI use Raven for power attacks since he's a nice blend of fast and strong
20:39.46XhoYoshimitsu isn't really either
20:40.51XhoYoshimitsu is extremely situational as a character
20:41.05HachimanAye
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20:42.27Wormy_Hi
20:43.41XhoHi
20:43.49XhoI want to do a Yoshimitsu expy for the wiki now
20:43.49Xhogah
20:46.22Hachimanhttps://docs.google.com/document/d/18jHrwcw4O7_tbhmB3tA78rx8TYfkiqHoMuq9g_x2Dcs/edit?usp=sharing If anyone's interested, I noted down some stuff for a totally not!Aku expy
20:46.29HachimanJust some ideas and rough lore and whatnot
20:48.04XhoI like it
20:48.24XhoMaybe if I were to make a Yoshimitsu expy he could be an Islander
20:50.10HachimanCould be one of the Sword-Saints I mentioned on the page - I did mention to Wormy a while back that there could be Samurai-esque swordmasters who keep to the old, pre-industrial traditions
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20:50.24HachimanHi
20:50.27OluapPlayerHachiman: Interesting
20:50.27XhoHm seems like a good idea
20:50.34Xhoreturn of ups
20:51.08XhoA thought did cross my mind that his blade is made from the destroyed fragments of one of the Heavenly Blades just a second ago
20:51.24HachimanThat'd be cool
20:51.39OluapPlayerImperios: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1487686121650.jpg I hadn't seen this before
20:51.42OluapPlayernew Magni
20:52.06HachimanEither he could be, or a descendant of, one of the Sword-Saints who took up arms, since I imagine their defeat happened roughly maybe a century or so ago, dunno
20:52.18XhoDescendant is probably better
20:52.30XhoOr leave it ambiguous
20:53.03HachimanYeah; he probably takes up his ancestor's name anyway if he is a descendant
20:53.07HachimanJust like canon Yoshimitsu hur
20:54.41HachimanOne 'Islander' character I had in mind would be a young Mannazian man who was raised and trained by one order of Swordmasters and has been sent on a possibly self-imposed quest to retrieve the surviving Heavenly Blade
20:54.47HachimanThus travels the mainland searching for it
20:55.07Xhorite
20:55.10XhoSounds good
20:55.21XhoTrying to figure out a name for the character though
20:55.27XhoI could either mash up Japanese or Chinese
20:55.35ImperiosOluapPlayer: Looks rocky
20:55.54ImperiosI wonder what Il'gynoth's comment about it means
20:56.00HachimanI mean, Oro-Chinym I got from Imp's Korean suggestions earlier; Islanders are basically a mish-mash of Japanese, Chinese, and Korean iirc
20:56.09HachimanSo, could be anything
20:56.18OluapPlayerSeems to imply Magni is serving the Old Gods instead of Azeroth
20:56.24OluapPlayerBut I think he might be bluffing
20:57.02HachimanOh, Oro-Chinym is also partially inspired by the Yamata no Orochi in regards to the name
20:57.19Xhoright
20:57.49OluapPlayerImperios: http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1487692480846.png
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21:02.11Monethello
21:02.39OluapPlayerHi
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21:04.08dromI am feeling so fucking confident right now
21:05.49Xhooh my
21:05.52XhoAnd hi
21:06.07dromMonet Wormy_ Xho: check out dis http://i.imgur.com/rvJQCQK.png
21:06.17XhoCool
21:06.18XhoWhat is it
21:06.26dromFinally something that is not shit after struggling at least one day drawing it
21:06.45XhoSome kind of Kuri stuff I guess
21:06.48MonetLiking the perspective
21:06.49dromSupposed to be two Technocracy frigates
21:06.54dromYeah
21:08.06Wormy_nice work
21:09.53dromAll now I need to do is continue sketching and I might be able to turn it into a nice picture for my fiction
21:13.13dromHm
21:13.20dromHow do you even pronounce "building"?
21:13.41dromI hear both "bill-ding" and "buil-ding"
21:13.49dromSometimes "bull-ding"
21:19.05Xhobill ding
21:20.14dromObligatory https://i.redditmedia.com/i987mvYMhnlQYD5zpFrUtfgiQJ6PVL6jehv0rK_H5Ek.jpg?w=754&s=11d34f9716795ed35ce1a0e0d16eddb1
21:26.53Wormy_bill-ding
21:27.44Wormy_"mount-tin" / "mount-ane" divides people tho
21:27.54Wormy_I say "mount-tin"
21:28.13HachimanI like it when people say 'mount-ane' with an accent but I do say 'mount-tin'
21:28.32HachimanAlso, Wormy_, that reminds me
21:28.39HachimanYou like surrealist, philosophical film, right?
21:28.46Wormy_Yes
21:29.12HachimanHave you watched any Jodorowsky films, like The Holy Mountain?
21:29.44dromhttp://icelandmag.visir.is/article/president-iceland-announces-he-would-ban-pineapple-a-pizza-topping
21:30.00Wormy_Hm, I've heard of it.  Instead I saw El Topo
21:30.08HachimanEl Topo is also good imo
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21:32.20ImperiosOluapPlayer: THEESE MORTALS DARE NOT CHALLENGE MY CLAAAAIM TO THE AYYYJEEES
21:32.38TybusenHi
21:32.43ImperiosHi Tyb
21:32.48OluapPlayerGIB UP THE EEGIS              OR DAI
21:33.14ImperiosI like how Skovald speaks like he is brain damaged
21:33.26OluapPlayerGod-King Special Needs
21:33.36OluapPlayerThis is your brain on fel
21:34.20Wormy_Hachiman: Another philosophical director I like is Darren Aronofsky, who made The Fountain and Pi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_(film)
21:34.34HachimanOh, I still need to watch Pi in full
21:34.38HachimanThe Fountain was good
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21:36.19HachimanHi
21:36.24DrodoEmpireHey
21:36.29OluapPlayerI feel they dropped the ball with Skovald at the end of his story line
21:37.13OluapPlayerYou spend all of Stormheim stopping him from entering the Halls of Valor. When you go to the dungeon itself, he gets in without any trouble despite being filled with demonic energy and Odyn is very non-chalant about his presence
21:38.16ImperiosI always assumed that he followed us as we killed the ombs
21:38.19Imperios*mobs
21:38.21OluapPlayerInstead of going "nah you can't have the aegis" he should be going "FUCK OFF FROM MY REALM YOU DOWNS-LOOKING FUCKER"
21:38.46ImperiosWe weakened Hymdall, he let us pass
21:39.01Imperiosten seconds later Skovald followed, smacked him in the face and ran after us
21:39.16OluapPlayerI guess that could've happened
21:39.25OluapPlayerdishonourabru as fuck tho
21:39.31OluapPlayerNo wonder he dies
21:39.43ImperiosSkovald brings dishonour to famiry
21:39.52OluapPlayerhe had no VALAR
21:39.56Wormy_drom: Skyrim belongs to the Nords!
21:40.12dromYes
21:40.41dromEven if I was playing as a Khajiit, I helped the Nords retaking their land back
21:40.41OluapPlayerSpeaking of Stormheim I found a little questline involving owlbears
21:41.09Imperiosdrom: #Skexit
21:41.15OluapPlayerThey try to make a peace offering to the storm dragon world-boss with a little dancing ritual so he can leave them alone. Instead he just kills them all
21:41.21OluapPlayerMade me feel bad
21:41.27ImperiosFarage the Stormborn
21:41.37ImperiosNo, wait
21:41.49OluapPlayerNithogg
21:41.54dromI can't wait punching Nigel Farage in the face so bad
21:41.56OluapPlayerI think that's what his name is
21:41.58ImperiosUlfarage Nigelcloak
21:42.16OluapPlayerOh I thought you were talking to me
21:42.18Hachimanpls non
21:42.33dromHachiman: Nigel Farageberry
21:42.36drom"Breaking!"
21:42.45HachimanI'd rather not talk about Farage here
21:43.09dromToo political?
21:43.40HachimanKinda yeah
21:44.25dromFair enough
21:45.11dromAt least it is not the One-We-Don't-Want-To-Talk-About-Until-2020
21:46.18Wormy_Heh in one of the toilets at uni there's an open forum scribbled on the wall with memes and support for the Orange Beast
21:46.47Wormy_It gets new etries every day
21:47.05MonetLol.
21:47.27dromHachiman: https://i.redd.it/o3oymexqz6hy.jpg
21:47.46Hachimanhur
21:48.58ImperiosI just jest hur
21:49.05ImperiosHuh
21:49.22ImperiosOddly enough there are no avid Trump supporters here, LOTS of people are kind of "meh-ish" supporters
21:49.27MonetFreedo mto talk is freedom to mock what we hate.
21:49.50Wormy_Hachiman:  Gordon Ramsay on Twitter http://imgur.com/gallery/00k9I
21:49.55dromI guess you saw this? http://i.imgur.com/gndpY3c.gifv
21:50.33OluapPlayerImperios: Since you've been mount-hunting recently, do you already have the Bronze Drake?
21:50.36MonetImperios: Education has a liberal bias
21:51.23ImperiosOluapPlayer: No
21:51.44OluapPlayerYou could get it, it's like the easiest dungeon mount in the game to get
21:51.52ImperiosSpeaking of mount hunting I wanted a particular shoulder piece from Mogu'shan Vaults so I ran it
21:51.59ImperiosI managed to get it in the first trie
21:52.00Imperiostry
21:52.05OluapPlayerOh nice
21:52.09MonetLet's lighten up: The Nebulas are coming http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/20/14672148/2016-nebula-award-nominations-science-fiction-fantasy-books
21:52.33ImperiosIt's for my panda
21:52.41ImperiosTo look like a proper shadow priest
21:52.44ImperiosI am getting sha gear and al
21:52.45OluapPlayerYour Sha-themed panda
21:53.06OluapPlayerSha of SLOW DOWN
21:53.19ImperiosDEATH IS TO BE SAVOURED
21:53.56OluapPlayerBut yeah you could easily solo heroic Culling of Strathoume with Mezzalt in like 10 or 15 minutes and get the Bronze Drake
21:54.13OluapPlayerThis entire Arthas must be purged
21:57.33XhoImperios Hachiman: Gimme a name for this Yoshimitsu Expy
21:58.03HachimanHondatsu
21:58.14HachimanOr Hon-Datsu
21:58.32XhoWorks
21:59.52ImperiosHon-Hon
22:00.23Xhohttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/90/Hon-Datsu.png/revision/latest?cb=20170221220009 dere
22:01.01HachimanOh that's fucking cool
22:01.38Hachiman[screaming in Japanese intensifies]
22:01.44ImperiosOluapPlayer: Oddly enough dragon mounts aren't my favourites
22:01.53ImperiosI kind of like smaller mounts that are proportionate to my character more
22:02.07OluapPlayerHm
22:02.19OluapPlayerI'm not sure what to suggest then
22:02.26OluapPlayerI mentioned the Bronze Drake because it's easy to get
22:02.28ImperiosI want a dragonhawk but
22:02.38ImperiosOut of the drakes, the easiest to get is the black one
22:02.52ImperiosOluapPlayer: http://i.imgur.com/tVk0ZWO.jpg Boom my transmog
22:03.03OluapPlayerWell, getting the easy-to-get drakes would help you on your way to hit 100 mounts
22:03.16OluapPlayerdat bear evil
22:04.16OluapPlayerYou should start by buying racial mounts if you haven't already
22:04.45ImperiosI'll probably wait until Timewalking Burning Crusade and buy the Timewalking dragonhawk
22:05.03OluapPlayerI forgot that's a thing
22:05.17OluapPlayerI'd like dragonhawks more if their beaks weren't so large
22:05.21OluapPlayerIt makes them look goofy to me
22:06.31ImperiosBTW I realised something
22:06.31OluapPlayerhttps://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow.gamepedia.com/b/b0/Armored_Blue_Dragonhawk.jpg?version=a63f930956fb41919455eb94fec567f7 you get this by having 200 mounts
22:06.36ImperiosYou don't do transmog
22:06.36OluapPlayerBut >farming 200 mounts
22:06.47Xhogrindy af
22:06.57OluapPlayerI don't because it breaks whenever I get new gear
22:06.58Wormy_https://twitter.com/GordonRamsay?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
22:07.05Wormy_Best Twitter
22:07.18ImperiosHuh
22:07.21ImperiosNever stopped me
22:07.25OluapPlayerGet a new helmet, the helm transmog is gone
22:07.31OluapPlayerSo I gotta pay for it again
22:07.43ImperiosI have like three transmog sets for Mezzalt
22:08.01ImperiosThe browish one with a giant hat, the white and red one with a hood and the armoured one with a headband
22:08.09OluapPlayerI think I'll give transmog another try when 7.2 hits, since they're gonna add a list of armor sets to the appearance screen
22:08.25XhoHachiman: What kind of magic did the Sword Saints use
22:08.39XhoIf this guy's a Yoshimitsu expy he's gonna be flailing around with weird magic
22:09.07HachimanWell, give me a moment
22:09.21dromXho: http://imgur.com/gallery/OXYLS
22:10.00XhoDrom: but y tho
22:10.39OluapPlayerImperios: Speaking of mounts, I came across a guy riding this https://tinyurl.com/h2rsptn
22:10.40OluapPlayerHoly shit it looks so cool
22:10.44OluapPlayerMakes me wish I could PvP
22:10.54HachimanThe Heavenly Blades are blessed with light magic due to Eostraeya and draconic magic on part of the Lunsincth, which I imagine would be arcane or something, not sure
22:10.55HachimanAs for the Sword-Saints themselves, it probably varies between individuals
22:11.53HachimanI imagine that arcane would probably suit Hon-Datsu given that it can be used for weird shit due to its versatility more than the other magic schools
22:12.07XhoMakes sense
22:12.20XhoHon-Datsu - stab self           actually magical stab self                 heh
22:12.45Hachimankek
22:13.17dromXho: In case when Vranntan bread are stale bricks
22:14.50Xhooh dear
22:16.04Imperiosyeee
22:16.47Xhoame
22:16.48Xhon
22:18.56dromIn loving memory of our komrade Imperios
22:20.30Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/OXYLS
22:21.25dromXho: http://i.imgur.com/kdDDQWV.jpg
22:22.06dromRibs of a deer that has been shot before with an arrow. Depicted are ribs that had grown around an arrow shaft.
22:29.01Wormy_Fascinating but awful.  I disapprove of bow hunting unless your life depends on it.
22:30.42dromXho: http://i.imgur.com/RwBlQV9.jpg Trying to get a kurinnurii drunk
22:34.12XhoI don't get it
22:36.14dromKurinnurii can't get drunk, convential alcohol do not affect them as it does only pass through them like a punch through a ghost.
22:37.36Xhoah
22:38.01XhoAnyway I need to go to bed so
22:41.48dromWormy_: http://imgur.com/gallery/V4orAzj
22:43.23Wormy_cats are savage af
22:44.20dromSpecially Norweigan Forest cats
22:46.52dromWormy_: http://i.imgur.com/4QRBonG.png
22:47.25Wormy_>Nirnroot
22:48.35dromhttp://i.imgur.com/i1GbOpO.png
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