IRC log for #sporewiki on 20161218

00:01.11dromGotta run!
00:01.18dromBye!
00:06.54DanzaDelMondoHi Tybute
00:07.18Tybusenthat's mr. tybute to you
00:09.00MonetHi
00:13.43Tybusenhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/59/Oceanic_Razoa.png/revision/latest?cb=20161218001311 New Razoa design
00:14.57MonetThey look rather uptight
00:15.42MonetThe lady looks particularly condescending.
00:16.10TybusenYeah, I was trying to get some good snooty/aloof poses for them
00:16.26TybusenSince they're essentially snooty shark elf fish
00:19.00MonetWell they look it
00:22.00MonetThey look like a culture that would be uncomfortable talking to "land dwellers"
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00:25.31Wormy_hi
00:25.51TybusenI mean when the "land dwellers" have destroyed themselves multiple times in war, while you've just been chillaxing in the shallows, you probably start thinking "man those surface dwellers are total dweebs"
00:25.55TybusenHi Wormy
00:26.01Wormy_Just watched Hateful 8, a Tarantino film
00:26.39MonetCool
00:27.24Wormy_Probably his most violent hur
00:28.18MonetThat's quite a claim
00:28.54Wormy_I've seen a good few of his movies now
00:29.12Wormy_Brilliant though, set in the American frontier with a lot of twist
00:29.22Wormy_and about 3 hours
00:37.11XhoHateful Eight is pretty gory
00:37.40XhoI'd say it's probably as gory as Kill Bill if not a little more
00:38.05Wormy_Its slower, but when the blood comes, it bloody
00:41.35MonetClassic Tarantino.
00:43.20Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_UI1GzaWv0
00:48.38DanzaDelMondoTybusen: They look tiny
00:49.46TybusenThey're supposed to be a little bulky
00:50.03TybusenThey're all have swimmer builds at the very least
00:51.05TybusenStronger than archetypical men and elves, not quite as strong as archetypical dwarves
00:51.41MonetHow tall though
00:52.27TybusenAccording to their page they average 1.7 m
00:54.22Monetight
00:54.28MonetRIGHT
00:54.44MonetSo about human-sized
00:55.38TybusenI should probably bump them up a little bit, 1.7m is actually a little bit short now that I think about it
00:55.58TybusenI'll say 1.9-2.0 m instead
00:56.09MonetI think it's about normal fantasyverse human height.
00:56.15Monet1.7m
00:56.54Tybusen1.7m is around 5' 6", I imagined the Razoa being more around the upper 5', lower 6' marks on average
01:00.17TybusenHachiman: did you look at new feesh model
01:46.01DanzaDelMondoTybusen Monet Hachiman OluapPlayer: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_Borealis_Galactic_War/Part_1#To_Find_the_Borealis_Radeons THere we fucking go
01:46.12OluapPlayerfuken finally
01:46.44DanzaDelMondoIt's 5 AM here
01:48.09OluapPlayerI did say it was late
01:48.53DanzaDelMondoreeeeeed
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01:51.49ImpyDroidBlarg
01:51.55ImpyDroidAny feedback?
01:52.43OluapPlayeris good but took 10 years pls dont do dat
02:05.35MonetI can offer full feedback tomorrow but I like how the teleportation isn't smooth and effortless
02:21.42MonetThe story of the Radeon sisters and the explosive bra was hilarious.
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03:56.34HachimanTybusen: By the way, the new Razoa look great
03:56.45Tybusendanke
03:57.41TybusenI had new models for the two Razoa characters that I was gonna upload too
03:58.58TybusenI'm wondering what I'll end up doing with the characters since I'm not sure what stories I can write about them right now
03:59.15Monetgoodnight
03:59.41Tybusengnight Monet
04:09.21TybusenI don't know if this is a problem or not but I realized that I never gave the TIAF civilian control of its military
04:13.48HachimanEh?
04:15.02TybusenAs in, I didn't explicitly write anywhere that the TIAF government actually has explicit control over the military
04:15.25TybusenAnd that pretty much means that the military doesn't just take over because they don't really feel like it
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06:12.21Charles_BotFucking fuck fuck
06:12.28Charles_BotI'm back in California
06:12.35Charles_BotAnd the first thing my sister texts me
06:12.55Charles_Bot"WOULD U BE MAD IF I THROUGH A PARTY"
06:13.07The_Randomnesslovely
06:13.17Charles_BotGreat
06:13.36Charles_BotAnd here I thought I was going to get to relax and recharge
06:15.20The_Randomnessrip
06:19.49Liquid_InkFun fun fun
07:08.53TybusenCharles_Bot: spike the punch bowl for hilarity
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09:44.50HachimanHello
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10:46.37dino82_hi
10:46.45TybusenHello
10:54.49dino82_Howz all doing
10:57.35Liquid_InkPretty good
11:19.24dino82_great to hear :D
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11:43.55JepardiHi
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12:21.48GhelaeThe captchas are now almost capable of beating me. "Select all images that feel romantic" was today's.
12:22.37OluapPlayerPoor Ghelae can't feel love
12:22.52dino82_hi
12:22.55GhelaeHi
12:22.58Liquid_InkYou should have picked the exact opposite
12:24.08GhelaeFortunately, my database of human culture was sufficient to get me through by picking candles and seafront views.
12:25.09Liquid_InkWhat were the alternatives?
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12:28.10GhelaeThere was a plate of food. That one was close. A table and seats in a non-seafront area.
12:31.36OluapPlayerBut yeah Captcha is becoming increasingly ridiculous. This week I had one where I had to "draw lines around the road signs"
12:31.41OluapPlayerNeedless to say I skipped that one
12:32.39Liquid_InkCan't we just read the fuzzy words again?
12:36.06Tek0516What if captchas are just an AI plot to improves AIs until only they can solve them?
12:40.32Wormy_I don't understand why we are training AI when that would defeat the purpose of captcha
12:41.51Wormy_Oluap:  I was once annoyed when captcha got its facts wrong, broccoli is a flower
12:42.14Liquid_InkThat would piss me off
12:45.42Tek0516Ugh. 9am exam on a Sunday. I'm up so early I caught literally the first train of the day, and the main Tim's doesn't open for breakfast fir two hours
12:46.04Tek0516Also it's dark and cold
12:49.30Wormy_Tim Horton'?
12:50.03Wormy_I have heard of this great Canadian corportation
12:50.12Tek0516Tim Hortons, yes.
12:51.29Tek0516It's also the only real breakfast option on campus for students not in residencd
12:52.18Wormy_Oh dear.  I'm not even on the main campus and I get several resturant and cafe facilities
12:53.48Tek0516Wormy_: Mostly it's just that it's before 8am on a Sunday.
12:54.51Tek0516And there's four different Tims on Campus so they're the easiest to get to most days.
12:56.04Wormy_Wow, they must be poipular
12:56.28Wormy_Like how Greggs in popular in Middle England
13:00.24Tek0516We have a lot of coffee places. 4 Tims, 2 Starbucks, a Second Cup, various campus locations which also have it...
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13:16.53ImperiosHi
13:20.29GhelaeHi
13:22.24OluapPlayerHi
13:26.10HachimanHi
13:32.31dino82_hi
13:42.42Tek0516Well, almost time for my morning exam.
13:42.49dino82_good luck!
13:46.21ImperiosHi
13:46.55ImperiosWormy_: I have been thinking. What happened to the old Scandinavian monarchies in the Fjord League?
13:47.19ImperiosAre they now defunct or still exist under the Fjord's republican government?
13:47.41ImperiosSame thing with all modern Earth royal families actually actually
13:47.55ImperiosThe Japanese royalty still exists, but what about Europe?
14:26.33Wormy_Imperios:  You'll have to ask Monet about whether the New Britannic Commonwealth has royalty.  As for the Fjord League, I don't see why not.  However, since royal familities have become symbolic, and expensive, maybe events like the third world war, environmental collapse and inter-colonial conflicts saw the ultimate decline
14:27.06Wormy_People might no longer care at all for such symbols
14:30.37Wormy_Then again, the Fjord League did quite well during the troubles on Earth
14:33.04Wormy_As the ice of Greenland retreated, they exploited the new mineral reserves and agriculture boomed from its fertile riverbeds.  They were the first to build cities on Antarctica, as well, and use geoengineering technologies to ultimately save the planet and feed the population
14:36.05OluapPlayerImperios: I just realized Geltastra's current model looks a lot like Blood-Queen Lana'thel
14:36.12OluapPlayerIs that intentional?
14:40.28ImperiosOluapPlayer: I don't think so
14:40.43OluapPlayerFunny coincidence then
14:40.43ImperiosI did not have Lana'thel specifically in mind when I made her
14:52.37Wormy_For some reason I read "urology" as "ufology" on the Nature journal's headings
14:59.47OluapPlayerliterally alien probes
15:26.20Wormy_lol
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15:35.25MonetHi
15:38.01Tek0516Hello
15:39.34OluapPlayerHi
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15:45.37NeonPandahi all
15:46.04OluapPlayerHi
15:46.04Tek0516...I already have Rogue One clips in my YouTube feed. >.>
15:46.14Tek0516Hello
15:48.06NeonPandaI'm going to see that tomorrow night
15:49.15Tek0516I'm not seeing it until Thursday, after exams.
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16:00.33DanzaDelMondoMonet: I have been thinking
16:00.44MonetShoot.
16:00.46DanzaDelMondoWhat happened to the House of Windsor in the SporeWikiverse?
16:03.34dino82_hi
16:04.29MonetAfter William V, a descendent of William IV (as in Will and Kate William)...I haven't thought.
16:05.35MonetThere could have been enough of a peerage on the Runnymede to continue the British aristocracy.
16:10.34HachimanThey were exposed for the faction of reptilians they were and overthrown
16:12.13MonetExcept the New Britannic Commonwealth still has a monarchy
16:12.53HachimanFuck
16:13.01HachimanHumans are still reptilian puppets I see
16:14.31MonetIsn't the modern day a bit of a sucky time for a reptillian puppeteer to be head of the british monarchy?
16:14.56HachimanHm, maybe
16:17.14DanzaDelMondoHachiman: So the reptilians are not amused?
16:17.54DanzaDelMondoI was talking more about the British royals in general, so they're still around
16:18.33DrodoAwayAristocratic families are pretty resilient in general, so I'd figure yeah
16:19.22DrodoEmpireThe Bonapartes are alive and kicking, for example
16:20.20DrodoEmpire(In the 21st century that is)
16:20.31MonetResilient in heritage, but I'm guessing they lack the influence they once had
16:20.37DrodoEmpireSo is the Qing royal family
16:21.21DrodoEmpireOh yeah they'd lack the political influence they had, but most of these families are still very rich and influential regardless
16:22.16Tek0516Actually destroying the families pretty much requires massacring them and/or confiscating everything.
16:22.38HachimanLike with the Romanovs?
16:22.45DanzaDelMondoDrodoEmpire: In Sweden
16:22.47DanzaDelMondoRight?
16:23.09DanzaDelMondoHachiman: There are a few Romanov claimants
16:23.18DrodoEmpireWhat do you mean?
16:23.27DanzaDelMondoAs in, where are the Bonapartes now>
16:23.28DanzaDelMondo?
16:23.34MonetA number of royalist families were basically taxed and fined into insignificance after the English Civil War.
16:23.37DrodoEmpireAh
16:23.39DanzaDelMondoI could swear the current House of Vasa is directly related to the Bonapartes
16:23.42DrodoEmpireI'm not sure
16:24.12MonetBut in Sporewiki it wasn't the British people who kicked out the royals - it was the Europeans.
16:25.10Tek0516I know besides the obvious political power the royal family does make money off the land it owns.
16:25.20MonetThey couldn't call themselves a republic while one of their member states were a constitutional monarchy.
16:25.59Tek0516Quite a few European states still have monarchs though.
16:27.29MonetNorway, Sweden and Denmark joined the Fjord League while the Netherlands became independant.
16:27.42Tek0516Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Luxembourg, Norway, Denmark...
16:27.48Tek0516Oh right
16:28.23Tek0516I guess that leaves the Spain, the rest of Benelux and the microstates.
16:28.23MonetI did not realise the Spanish crown was still around.
16:29.00Tek0516Restored in 1978 according to Wikipedia.
16:29.32Tek0516After the dissolution of Francoist Spain it seems they readded it.
16:29.42MonetFrancisco Franco - Ahh fuk
16:30.30Tek0516Well more searching says this was after he died and was part of the democratic transitiob. :P
16:32.14MonetThe microstates could have been small enough that the founding politicians of the European Republic went "eh details, details"
16:34.35MonetWhat happened to the rest of the European monarchies sounds up in the air.
16:34.37Tek0516I'm actually curious about Andorra now, since that's jointly ruled by the President of France and a catholic bishop as co-monarchs
16:36.05DrodoEmpireTek0516: So... Uh
16:36.24Tek0516Hm?
16:36.36DrodoEmpireI was playing Stellaris last night, and I cam across another empire that had the same name, same portrait, and same government type as mine o.O
16:36.46Tek0516O.o
16:36.59DrodoEmpireBut was still a different species, just barely
16:37.04DrodoEmpire(had similar ethics)
16:37.24MonetMaybe, as Manuel II did after the October 1910 revolution of Portugal, these monarchs fled to England or the Fjord League?
16:39.19MonetWormy_: Do the Scandinavian monarchies still exist in the Fjord League?
16:40.44NeonPandaDrodoEmpire: When I was playing my updated multiplayer empire in a singleplayer game, I came across the previous version of that empire. Needless to say, murder happened.
16:40.53MonetThis seems to be one big thing the ESR's history never really touches on: What happened to the monarchies
16:40.56DrodoEmpirehur
16:43.22Tek0516My latest Stellaris game had my first game's empire in it as an advanced start.
16:44.11NeonPandaI haven't used advanced starts in ages, though the ability to push a button and make them not spawn near you was nice
16:44.49NeonPandagot tired of expansionist playthroughs getting completely neutered by an advanced AI popping up right next to me and immediately vassalising me
16:46.10Tek0516I've never actually formed a federation in Stellaris, now that I think about it. I should really do a game with one.
16:46.50NeonPandait can be interesting, not really my cup of tea
16:47.28Tek0516Me neither. It's the Federation President mechanic that dissuades me most.
16:54.34MonetDo we know if it's being changed at all?
16:56.25NeonPandadon't get me wrong, it's a good mechanic for people who are into that kind of thing, so I wouldn't necessarily say change it
17:05.06MonetIts mainly that turnoff where anyone but the president at the time can't do much.
17:06.58Tek0516And anyone not the president has no say in what the president does.
17:07.32Tek0516Plus no control over who the president even is
17:07.32OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zarkhator_War I'm writing this at the moment. Does anyone want to give military support to the PCA?
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17:08.32Quark8Hello.
17:08.41MonetTek0516: Very undemocratic
17:08.53Tek0516It could be a good system, but currently it's just surrending everything to an arbitraily selected dictator.
17:10.02Tek0516If your federation was of dictatorial states maybe it makes some sense, but even then they'd want some say.
17:10.13MonetAnd yet it's meant to be the progressive alternative to simply conquering everyone.
17:10.38MonetOluapPlayer: The Imperium can lend support
17:14.09MonetThough looking at the dates there could be a lull in their support between 2800 and 2805/6
17:14.43OluapPlayerThe main conflict happens in 2811 forward
17:15.08MonetThen that's perfectly fine.
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17:17.57MonetJust speculation on my part but If there was no sign of them between 2799 and 2811, the Zarkhator War could technically be two wars. But its no trouble if the PCA consider it just oen war
17:19.01OluapPlayerEh I don't see the need to split it in two since I imagine the PCA never declared the Zarkhator threat over during their period of hiding
17:19.10OluapPlayerThey expected them to show up again
17:20.35Tek0516Hey Charles_Bot
17:20.38MonetHence why whether or not they could be one or two wars could depend on perspective
17:21.39DanzaDelMondoMonet Wormy_: https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--vD6TEyDy--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/lsh7tn5lddq2vyrnnbdi.png
17:21.39OluapPlayerTheir focus at the time definitely turned entirely to the Loron, but they never declared Zarkhator dealt it
17:21.53OluapPlayerthinking about it, the rise of the Loron is probably one factor of Zarkhator's retreat
17:22.14MonetThe Imperium definitely might consider it two wars as after 2799 their attention turns to the DCP and the CyraEmp.
17:22.41OluapPlayerFair enough
17:22.41DanzaDelMondoI am not surprised
17:23.23OluapPlayerDanzaDelMondo: Do you want the Divinarium to lend any support to the PCA during this? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zarkhator_War
17:23.33DanzaDelMondoWould make sense
17:23.34NeonPandaI'm not surprised Australia is almost even, slightly surprised it hung on the side of Empire but still checks out
17:24.30MonetDue to the resources the DCP have and the general size of the CyraEmp, the Grand Senate likely thought "eh, te Zarks are gone for now but we have bigger sharks to worry about"
17:25.03OluapPlayerZark - im back and i brought big guns
17:25.17NeonPandaOluapPlayer: the Fordanta or Circle (or both) would be game
17:25.41OluapPlayerThese don't know the PCA tho
17:25.45OluapPlayerGranted this could start relations
17:26.09MonetDanzaDelMondo: I see a general divide on this map, with a few exceptions.
17:27.31MonetRich developed nations or nations with a proud imperial past are pro-Empire, developing nations or those with bad colonial memories are pro-Rebellion.
17:29.38Charles_BotHm?
17:29.59MonetCharles_Bot: Imperios linked this https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--vD6TEyDy--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/lsh7tn5lddq2vyrnnbdi.png
17:30.43MonetAlthough most of these nations average in the 40-60% range.
17:33.39MonetWait this is for Battlefront III isn't it?
17:35.09DanzaDelMondoSome Star Wars game yes
17:36.22MonetI think it's III
17:36.43dino82_:d
17:36.49Charles_BotOluapPlayer: France could give some support to the PCA
17:37.11MonetTOR is Republic-Sith Empire, and the previous games were before 2006
17:39.32OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zarkhator_War#Escalation_of_Conflict kay then yall got mentions
17:40.10Charles_BotCool ^.^
17:44.53NeonPandathe Fordanta and UNO at least have had contact in the past, I know the UNO has since been reformed but that's a thing
17:45.29MonetSo theoretically the PCA would know of the Fordanta though UNO and the PAE.
17:45.51OluapPlayerIf they did, it'd be only through mentions
17:45.57OluapPlayerBut they know each other properly now
17:48.33MonetActually could the PAE request access to battlefield wreckage and salvage for research?
17:48.51OluapPlayerProbably, the Indocs are doing more or less the same too
17:49.07OluapPlayerExcept they're taking living Zarkhator for creepy scientist experiments
17:50.13NeonPandathe Circle would probably be doing it regardless of what others think
17:50.22MonetPAY - Yay precursor salvage.
17:50.55OluapPlayerThey're technically bootleg precursors as the section explains
17:50.59OluapPlayerBut they're old enough hur
17:51.37NeonPandaCircle: it's stuff we haven't had a chance to poke yet so we're poking it
17:53.09OluapPlayerWhat's the opposite word for "associated"?
17:54.14DanzaDelMondoDissociated
17:54.22OluapPlayerrite
17:54.26DanzaDelMondoDisconnected from
17:54.31DanzaDelMondoNot connected to
17:54.38DanzaDelMondoWait do you mean they are not associated and never have been
17:54.44DanzaDelMondoOr they were but no longer are
17:55.03OluapPlayerAs in "Fordanta were not associated with the PCA but are now"
17:55.53DanzaDelMondoFordanta aligned themselves with the PCA?
17:56.11NeonPandaunassociated would be a term you could use, although the longer form works fine
17:56.28OluapPlayerRight
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18:22.31Luxore v e n i n g
18:26.05DrodoEmpirea f t e r n o o n]
18:26.42DanzaDelMondon i g h t
18:27.00OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zarkhator_War#The_Grey_Betrayal more
18:28.32DrodoEmpireHmm, so the invasion proper begins in 2811?
18:28.36DrodoEmpireAnd it also hits Ottzello?
18:29.08OluapPlayerYes, URO is one of the main members of the PCA
18:29.37DrodoEmpireAhh
18:30.18DrodoEmpireI ask as Drodo settlers show up in Ottzello as of 2812, and the Chalag Khanate (nation of Drodo nomads) is formed in 2813 there too
18:30.23DrodoEmpire*Imperial Drodo settlers
18:31.25OluapPlayerUnless they were in the way, Zarkhator wouldn't pay them mind
18:31.28DrodoEmpireI'm not sure if they'd be in any position to provide meaningful assistance, though they'd probably militarise a lot in anticipation
18:31.34DrodoEmpireAh
18:31.52OluapPlayerIf they arrived that recently, Zarkhator wouldn't know they were there
18:32.01DrodoEmpireRight, right
18:32.33DrodoEmpireMaybe in the later phase when things settle down the Drodo could support the URO front but beyond that I'm not sure
18:32.41OluapPlayerThat works
18:32.57OluapPlayerIt's being an interesting experience, writing this all with descriptions. I think it's coming up nicely
18:33.13DrodoEmpireYeah, I like it
18:35.13DrodoEmpireI can see Drodo support mostly coming in the form of whatever fleet was stationed there, a relative handful of professional soldiers, and a really big force of militia raised from the settlers in Ottzello
18:35.59OluapPlayerDrodo - we came here looking for good things and we found giant 4 armed demon lizards
18:36.14DrodoEmpire^
18:37.23LuxorBTW, Is there any specific way to name residents of Universe?
18:37.24DrodoEmpireHmm... I'd say the Drodo might join by... 2816, perhaps? That'd probably be enough time for the Ottzelloan colony to actually settle somewhat
18:37.38DrodoEmpireI'll think on it some more though
18:37.54OluapPlayerRight
18:41.43NeonPandaunrelated to the current conversation, "We were debating what you'd call a group of dragons. I wanted to say a storm of dragons, he wanted to say a 'holy shit there's more than one run the fuck away' of dragons."
18:42.07MonetThat second one works
18:50.23DanzaDelMondoMonet OluapPlayer Hachiman: http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/735175/vladimir-putin-killer-octopus-organism-46-b-russian-army-secret-weapon-russia Turns out Putin IS in league with the Great Old Ones
18:51.16MonetI need to wash my hands and eyes.
18:51.25MonetYou made me touch the Express.
18:51.49DanzaDelMondoJust saw that in OUR news
18:51.57DanzaDelMondoChecked if it was legit
18:51.59DanzaDelMondoAnd it was
18:52.49DanzaDelMondoUs'sr kgb'a Putin r'ush B blycy'ka fhtagn
18:53.10LuxorB o c t o k
18:53.14MonetYeah but
18:53.23MonetIt's the Express that's reporting it
18:53.29DanzaDelMondoAlright, I need some context
18:53.49DanzaDelMondoNot a specialist in British mass media
18:54.40MonetThey're like the Daily Mail.
18:55.32NeonPandatbh C'thulhu would almost be an improvement at this rate, at least you go immediately and irrevocably mad rather than having to deal with silly things like "reality" and "sanity"
18:56.31OluapPlayercomes with a free fish-frog waifu if you're into that
18:57.02MonetTake a recent news that paint thinner was found in a certain brand of gravy granules.
18:57.17Luxorhue
18:57.32MonetOther news sources reported the warning and that LIDL are pulling it off the shelves.
18:57.39Luxorif you want to see crap level mess in media check out newspapers in Poland
18:57.47MonetThe Express went with "HEALTH ALERT: People urged not to eat supermarket gravy containing PAINT THINNER chemical"
18:58.21Luxor50% backing we-are-totalitarists-deal-with-it government and other 50% saying ruling party is creation of Satan
18:58.33Luxorboth are not really that far from the truth
18:59.18Luxorcheck for nonsence and pseudo-phisics gibe: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Havoc
18:59.28Luxornonsense*
18:59.32Luxorphysics*
19:01.43Monet<PROTECTED>
19:02.18Luxorhttps://www.reddit.com/r/vexillology/comments/5j0gge/next_month_mauritania_will_vote_on_this_proposed/
19:02.22Luxor^this is so exciting
19:02.55DanzaDelMondoSo like a right-wing website?
19:03.09MonetVery
19:03.31DanzaDelMondoWait
19:03.41DanzaDelMondoARen't most Western nationalists Putin fanboys?
19:03.51DanzaDelMondoSave for our immediate neighbours of coruse
19:04.30LuxorDanzaDelMondo: https://i.redd.it/zk771rycoc4y.png
19:04.36Monet<PROTECTED>
19:09.11DanzaDelMondoSo Eurosceptic?
19:09.33Monetand Islamaphobic.
19:09.37DanzaDelMondoLuxor: Oil used as lubricant
19:09.46DanzaDelMondoMonet: That's a given for most nationalists as I understand
19:10.12MonetI can't speak for Eastern or Southern Europe but the general consensus in the British Isles is Putin wants is a scary man who wants to resurrect the USSR
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19:10.57DrodoEmpireBack >.,
19:10.59DrodoEmpire*>.<
19:12.27DanzaDelMondoMonet: That explains Putin's weaponisation of the Great Old Ones
19:12.59MonetHad a brief look at Urban Dictionary and one entry sums up most of their headlines as involving either: Diana, kilelr food, kilelr weather, evil immigrants, cancer and Madeline McCann.
19:14.31MonetAnother describes it as the Daily Mail for pensioners.
19:15.44OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zarkhator_War#Fall_of_the_Sovereign the conclusion
19:16.28OluapPlayerF5 that
19:17.45DrodoEmpireYep, taking a look
19:20.42DanzaDelMondoOluapPlayer: Goodnight, sweet prince
19:31.07OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zarkhator_War#Aftermath and to wrap it up
19:38.04dino82_oh nice war!
19:50.06DanzaDelMondoHachiman OluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25wYPsJ7Kds WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
19:50.22OluapPlayeroh BOY
19:50.23DanzaDelMondoOh wait 3 days already?
19:51.56DanzaDelMondoSQUIGS
19:52.02OluapPlayerOh god squigs
19:53.21OluapPlayerBIG ORK MECH SPOTTED
19:54.15OluapPlayerOh god so many Orks
19:54.16OluapPlayerI love it
19:54.44MonetNot entirely sure about the music
19:55.25DanzaDelMondoMonet: A tad too modern, yeah
19:55.30DanzaDelMondoLike modern movie soundtracks
19:55.36DanzaDelMondoBut it works for Orks
19:55.47OluapPlayerI liked it
19:56.10MonetI get what they're trying to do.
19:56.44MonetBut there was a strong Modern Warfare vibe all the same.
19:57.05DanzaDelMondoMore like Junkie XL
19:57.15DanzaDelMondoIt sounds like Fury Road
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20:00.25GhelaeHello.
20:02.08TechnobliteratorSo, Rogue One is pretty good :o
20:02.26OluapPlayerHi
20:02.32OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zarkhator_War I finished this
20:02.47Technobliterator\o/
20:02.49TechnobliteratorI will read now
20:08.56Wormy_Damnit
20:09.24Wormy_I posted a big message to the "I'm Tired" forum post and it didn't send and is now locked out.
20:18.56Wormy_How the aliun invasion starts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMThv97LP9Q
20:19.16NeonPandaI do hope the Ork Stompa can carry a mega dakkakannon, seeing one of those things fire would be hilarious
20:24.30TechnobliteratorOluapPlayer, really good stuff :o
20:24.59TechnobliteratorI like especially how you made clear in the last section what the scale of the war was
20:25.22TechnobliteratorHowever, I find it funny how Arkarixus thus far has basically just been in wars to show up at the end and kill the big bad guy :P
20:26.16OluapPlayerArkarixus - not my fault im gud at doin it
20:27.53MonetIn modern warfare you ideally don't want to throw your generals into the thick of battle
20:28.19MonetSo I imagine he did a lot of organisation and strategy that's not as easy to demonstrate.
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20:28.55CyrannianHello everyone
20:29.23Technobliteratorhihi
20:29.51Wormy_hey
20:30.07NeonPandahi
20:31.17OluapPlayer~crush Cyrannian
20:31.17infobotACTION crushes Cyrannian with a full height scsi disk
20:31.47Cyrannian~glomp OluapPlayer
20:31.47infobotACTION becomes fully animated as her eyes squint in an upside-down-U formation, gets a running start and tackle-glomps OluapPlayer
20:32.23OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zarkhator_War I wrote a thing with Paladians mentioned
20:33.04CyrannianStill reading it
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20:37.50DrodoEmpireHey
20:37.56Spluff5Lots of people today!
20:38.55DrodoEmpireYep
20:39.45DanzaDelMondoCyrannian Wormy_: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/7e/Fjord_League_Coat_of_Arms.png/revision/latest?cb=20161218203932 I did a thing
20:40.50Spluff5I like
20:40.55Spluff5What's it for?
20:41.53DanzaDelMondoWormy's Scandinavian bros
20:43.31Spluff5http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/1d/Sorghum_class_ship.png/revision/latest?cb=20161218204310
20:43.50Spluff5I may have gotten a bit silly with my Virloyd colonist ship.
20:44.19CyrannianOluapPlayer: tis very impressive work, I didn't know you were working on it
20:44.40OluapPlayerNo one did, I started it yesterday
20:46.43NeonPanda*james bond music plays*
20:57.01DanzaDelMondoCyrannian: What do you think?
20:58.12CyrannianVery nice work
21:02.49Wormy_DanzaDelMondo:  Love the Norse script
21:05.08dino82_bye bye
21:07.02DanzaDelMondoWormy_: It is a line from the Poetic Edda actually
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21:15.57DanzaDelMondoMonet: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/699600/Vladimir-Putin-moves-to-outlaw-alien-values-and-laws Wow so they say we make monster octopi but they also like us
21:15.59DanzaDelMondoI am confused
21:17.28MonetIts sensationalism
21:18.32MonetLook at the comments section
21:19.40MonetAs I said, it could be called the Daily Mail for pensioners.
21:19.43DanzaDelMondoHachiman: https://pp.vk.me/c638920/v638920413/11407/ku3ipOzJJiw.jpg "Are you a real feminist?"
21:21.04MonetThat article is supportive because "it's against all that wishy-washy leftist nonsense in Europe"
21:28.38Wormy_https://www.newscientist.com/article/2114622-proxima-centauri-really-does-orbit-its-two-bright-neighbours/
21:28.51The_Randomness:o
21:29.35OluapPlayerI didn't know that was contested
21:29.52Wormy_Also, I was talking about this the other day and now this popped up https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23231014-700-deepest-water-found-1000km-down-a-third-of-way-to-earths-core/
21:30.12The_RandomnessI'm pretty sure they thought it was probably the case, but it wasn't absolutely certain
21:30.16Wormy_I knew it was contested but it surprises me it took this long to solve
21:31.02OluapPlayerFor a moment I thought you were posting the news about the oldest water, which I already posted
21:31.06Wormy_well, contested might not be the right word
21:31.24MonetOluapPlayer: It's far enough away from Alpha Centauri A and B that some might consider it it's own star system.
21:31.47Wormy_That water might still be younger, because subduction is an active process.
21:35.33Wormy_But water will have always been in the mantle, since the Earth's formation
21:36.17Wormy_probably plays a bigger role in the mantle today than anticipated
21:53.16Wormy_weird story https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23231041-800-short-story-the-university-of-the-sun/
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21:57.16Wormy_hi
21:57.43Monethi
21:58.15OluapPlayerHi
21:58.38XhoHi
21:58.49XhoSo I saw Rogue One today
21:58.58Xho5.5/10 would not watch again
21:59.12GhelaeHi
21:59.55XhoHachiman: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15391040_10155568351622067_2577463624105028505_n.jpg?oh=7c1610860989b0e71ddb2481981ada15&oe=58B3A432
22:01.00MonetWhat makes it mediocre for you.
22:01.00XhoI also ate too much and threw uo
22:01.01Xhoup
22:01.34XhoMonet: None of the characters were interesting apart from Jet Li's character and there was no energy to the plot
22:01.48Wormy_People I spoke to loved it
22:02.00XhoThe only bits I enjoyed were the bits with
22:02.03XhoWait hold on spoilers
22:02.27The_RandomnessHaven't seen it yet
22:02.28Wormy_plz no spoil
22:03.01XhoIt's basically "Boring Plot With Fan Service: A Star Wars Story" to me
22:03.18MonetStar Wars' draw is more about pew-pew lazors and cool starships so fair enough.
22:06.47XhoThe fan service parts were good
22:07.41MonetI got the hint when we had a rather random preview of Vader in their adverts.
22:07.59XhoAnd I could have potentially killed myself today a la nut allergy as well
22:08.41XhoThe ice cream place I went to mixed up the order and I was served ice cream that had nuts in it
22:09.01XhoUnfortunately I can't sue because I staved off a reaction
22:10.01MonetYou could file a complaint.
22:10.29XhoI got a refund
22:10.34XhoI asked for a glass of water
22:10.37XhoThey gave me a hot glass of water
22:10.40XhoA HOT GLASS OF WATER
22:10.49XhoWHO THE FUCK DOES THAT
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22:12.15Charles_MurrayMonet Xho Wormy_ DrodoEmpire symbol for the next French perk
22:12.17Charles_Murrayhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Perfect_Storm.png
22:12.22MonetIf you got a refund there's no real reason to sue.
22:12.33XhoMonet: I couldn't anyway because I wasn't hospitalised
22:12.41XhoCharles_Murray: a sterfect porm
22:12.48DrodoEmpireCharles: Huh
22:12.51MonetWin-win really
22:13.05XhoI guess
22:13.10XhoMore money would have been nice
22:13.21XhoBut hospitalisation, not really
22:14.01MonetCharles_Murray: I like
22:14.56MonetListening to the lore behind the IoM Ecclesiachy. I like how after being forced off Terra they created a second capital - transferred buildings and all - on a planet called *Ophelia*
22:17.19MonetAlso they built a giant fuck-ass cathedral that reached 4km into the sky.
22:18.44Xhonot heresy
22:20.14MonetThe base was also something like 50,000 square km.
22:20.50The_Randomnesssounds appropriately over the top for WH40k
22:21.50Xho40K: Where everything is over the top so nothing is over the top
22:21.56MonetSorry
22:22.02Monet90,000 sqmi
22:22.20XhoThat's
22:22.21Xhobig
22:22.50XhoThat's the size of Laos apparently
22:23.18Wormy_eh the IoM are nursery level compared to Exultant era humanity
22:23.57MonetXho: Not heresy at all
22:26.16MonetProbably as ludicrous is how they moved every asset they had on Terra, including staff and buildings, to this new planet in a universe where teleportation and FTL travel use the same mechanism
22:26.55MonetSo they shipped the equivalent of an entire city across interstellar distances.
22:30.20Xhohard science? nah m8
22:30.45CyrannianOluapPlayer: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/21/PCACruiser.png/revision/latest?cb=20161218223029 - c dis
22:31.01OluapPlayer2 hours later
22:31.03OluapPlayerLooks good
22:31.09Xhowat is it
22:31.13Cyrannianships take a while u dum
22:31.13XhoOh wait a PCA Cruiser
22:31.20The_Randomnessshiny
22:31.31XhoSo what's that gonna befor
22:31.32Xhobe for
22:31.49DrodoEmpireOluapPlayer: Do you plan on expanding on the Zarkhator war with other side stories and stuff or are you leaving it as is now?
22:32.34OluapPlayerI'm done with it
22:32.58OluapPlayerAs for the ship, I suppose it'd be used by the Aegis Guard
22:33.03DrodoEmpireAh
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22:41.25Xho"Want to wonder why Xho said she hates me because I'm overrated, but come to think of it, I don't get hardly any comments on my discussion pages, maybe considering she likes me probably."
22:41.29XhoNewsflash: Xho is female
22:41.41Xhom'xho
22:41.54OluapPlayerno wonder u bitch so much
22:41.55Charles_MurrayWhere is this from?
22:42.05XhoOluapPlayer: eh can't deny that one
22:42.22XhoSome random wall post
22:42.42Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:218259
22:47.17Charles_MurrayImpyDroid http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Perfect_Storm.png
22:47.21Charles_MurrayNewest French perk
22:48.31XhoOluapPlayer: In a plan of bringing the Kicath into the fiction again how do you want to explain their leave from the PCA and Kilcharunya's departure
22:48.38XhoI can explain Kilcharunya easily enough
22:49.00XhoWhich in turn could be the reason for the PCA expelling the Kicath actually
22:50.20XhoKilcharunya hunted down and killed by Agents -> Kicath refuse to take responsibility -> political mess causes Kicath withdrawal from PCA
22:53.49XhoOr not
22:53.59XhoI just need to tie up loose ends so I can put them away without gaping holes
22:55.57XhoOkay so fiction is not up for discussion
22:56.04XhoAnyone else wanna bring up a topic
22:56.17OluapPlayerI was having dinner
22:56.29OluapPlayerAnd I'd prefer the Kicath be retconned to not have joined the PCA to begin with
22:56.30Xhoy u
22:56.43XhoFair enough
22:57.17ImpyDroidCharles_Murray: Wolves -  "LES NORMIES SORTEZ REEEEE"
22:58.12XhoNot too sure what to do with fiction anymore
22:58.31ImpyDroidCharles_Murray Xho Monet: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2400317/russia-may-organise-migrant-sex-attacks-in-europe-to-make-angela-merkel-lose-german-elections-eu-experts-claim/ What the
22:58.40ImpyDroidDo people really believe that?
22:58.46XhoYes
22:58.49XhoWe're the west
22:58.52XhoWe hate Rus
22:58.55XhoRussia even
22:59.14ImpyDroidNo I mean we have similar scares about America
22:59.30ImpyDroidBut nobody buys them anymore
22:59.43XhoWe still buy it
23:00.17CyrannianI wouldn't use The Sun as a reputable source doe
23:00.25MonetI hear stories that some still believe that Fox story about how Birmingham is a no-go zone for non-Muslims.
23:00.47MonetCyrannian: Some people do, and that is Imperios' concern.
23:01.37CyrannianYup, I saw his comment
23:01.44ImpyDroidRight so
23:01.49ImpyDroidThe Sun is bad
23:01.59XhoYes
23:02.17MonetSun is bad, Express is Bad and Daily Mail is super-bad.
23:02.19TechnobliteratorIt's Murdoch, of course it's bad
23:02.28ImpyDroidSo is Express
23:02.30ImpyDroidRight
23:02.31XhoBritish media is bad in general
23:02.34TechnobliteratorAnd yet, best selling paper!
23:02.37Technobliteratorbecause logic
23:02.44ImpyDroidYou got nothing on us m8s
23:02.48DrodoEmpireMultiple sources seem to have confirmed the idea of at least one think-tank conceiving of this orchestration idea
23:02.53XhoGoing back to fiction I don't know what to do with it anymore
23:02.58DrodoEmpireNot sure which but I don't think its just the Sun
23:02.59DrodoEmpireAnyway
23:03.05XhoI was going to make that Dominion of the Second Eye thing and now I don't feel like doing it
23:03.09ImpyDroid"THE WORLD SHALL BE REDUCED TO RADIOACTIVE ASH"
23:03.29XhoI might just drop everything because it's getting too much to handle
23:03.41The_Randomnesstfw your cold is gone but the congestion decides to stick around a bit longer
23:04.15MonetXho: I've felt that.
23:05.05XhoOluapPlayer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya-7GNE4tQE
23:05.08MonetThis is why the position of POTUS has a nasty habit of rapidly aging whoever holds the position.
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23:05.38OluapPlayerDoesn't even know what he's talking about
23:05.40The_RandomnessMonet: yeah, it's pretty crazy how much they age over the course of four or eight years
23:05.43OluapPlayercringe/10
23:05.44MonetBeing powerful is good, managing power is exhausting.
23:06.11OluapPlayerPOTUS will always sound like some sort of name for soap to me
23:06.16ImpyDroidHi
23:06.17Xhosoapus
23:06.33ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2400317/russia-may-organise-migrant-sex-attacks-in-europe-to-make-angela-merkel-lose-german-elections-eu-experts-claim
23:06.41ImpyDroidWhat the actual
23:07.24The_Randomness10/10 journalism
23:07.53Liquid_InkFascinating.
23:10.42XhoMonet: Thing is though, if I drop fiction entirely I won't have anything to do any more
23:11.58MonetYou don't need to go that far
23:12.36XhoWell thing is I want to do something as much as I want to not do anything
23:13.02XhoNone of my ideas are collab friendly
23:14.38XhoThe only thing I'm still interested in using is the Xhodocto
23:14.40XhoThat's about it
23:14.59MonetAnd that's difficult because of how powerful they are.
23:15.19XhoIndeed
23:15.41XhoI think I'm just mentally inclined to not do fiction now
23:15.55ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/7e/Fjord_League_Coat_of_Arms.png/revision/latest?cb=20161218203932
23:16.39Liquid_InkKinky
23:17.16MonetAs I suggested on your forum post, what is your motivation. To explore ideas, envision scenarios or is it to get noticed.
23:17.26XhoBoth really
23:17.38XhoI don't feel like doing either much now
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23:18.22XhoI think I've destroyed any chance of trying again so I might as well just leave it all
23:18.29ImpyDroidLiquid_Ink: The horns are kinked yes
23:19.34MonetI don't think you have apart from the enthusiasm to carry on.
23:19.53XhoWell I have no enthusiasm for the wiki now
23:20.04XhoIt's all just writing for the sake of doing something
23:20.36MonetThat random poster was an asshole.
23:21.08XhoI'm half inclined to believe it's one of the users long gone
23:21.20ImpyDroidWormy_ Liquid_Ink: BTW the motto reads: "She sees arise
23:21.23XhoBut no I don't have any desire to keep trying
23:21.40MonetWell from their language I doubt it's anyone who was respected.
23:21.44Liquid_InkCool
23:22.14Wormy_Xho: I tried to write a message on that forum earlier but Wikia's reply thing stopped
23:22.19XhoThe only thing I could do is give my fiction to other users but there's a good chance they'll never be used
23:22.22Xhoheh
23:23.08Liquid_InkImpyDroid: Had Wormy seen?
23:23.37ImpyDroidYeah he did
23:24.11ImpyDroidMaybe we all should do one final great epilogue at one point
23:24.20XhoI mean who really wants to have the Xhodocto
23:24.27Wormy_Fukkit I'll post it here Xho http://pastie.org/private/efdcn5ssamtefbw4djqvww
23:24.29XhoIt's a wiki tool more than a fiction
23:24.36ImpyDroidFinish up all the last storylines and be done with the verse
23:24.48Liquid_InkI think they'd work best as a shared  fiction
23:25.46XhoWell actually the truth is I don't want anyone to have the Xhodocto
23:25.55XhoAnyone else's interpretation of them just ruins them
23:26.04XhoNo offence to anyone
23:26.18XhoBut it's a meticulously crafted fiction
23:26.32MonetUnderstandable
23:26.50MonetWhat is it about the Xhodocto themselves that makes you want to continue them?
23:26.57XhoI dunno
23:27.03XhoThey're the most interesting fiction I have
23:27.19XhoProbably because I've given them the most detail
23:27.52MonetI get you.
23:28.14MonetEnough to share the boat possibly.
23:28.58XhoI'm between a rock and a hard place
23:29.07XhoI gain nothing from using fiction and nothing from removing it
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23:30.41Charles_MurrayDere: Tybusen Tek0516 Xho Wormy_ DrodoEmpire ImpyDroid http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#At_a_Glance
23:30.49TybusenHello
23:31.02XhoHi
23:31.20XhoCharles_Murray: Which reminds me, you can use the Kicath until Marinus' Rebellion is completed
23:31.59Charles_MurrayXho: Cool, thanks! Do you have any directions as to how I should use them?
23:32.10XhoEverything I've mentioned should be enough
23:32.31Wormy_reads it, but has nothing to say for now
23:32.41Charles_MurrayYeah, you've given me a lot to work with
23:33.24XhoJust think of France but angrier and without economic instability
23:35.28TybusenKitravasuron - hon hon hon murder
23:35.40Charles_Murraylol
23:36.24XhoI suppose my main thing is that the ideas I have aren't for SporeWiki's climate
23:36.47XhoSo by definition I guess I have outgrown the wiki
23:36.50XhoOr it has outgrown me
23:37.39Wormy_Have you read my post hur
23:38.24XhoI did
23:38.29XhoThat's why I'm referencing it
23:40.08Charles_MurrayAlso Monet : http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:French_Empire#At_a_Glance
23:40.19MonetCharles: I saw
23:40.22Charles_MurrayBasically a summary of the many bad situations France is in
23:40.30Wormy_I'm trying to say that hmm, worry less about what it *could* be, and just do what you find most rewarding / least stressful
23:40.47Wormy_But if you've lost all interest my suggestion is mute
23:40.55XhoI have very little interest
23:41.21MonetThe beauty of web writing is that if something feels like it's decomposing, you can patch it up and make it shine.
23:41.28XhoI tried that personal universe thing but there was no fun in that because there was no collab
23:41.42XhoThen I do collab and that's not fun because I don't have full control
23:41.55XhoSo web writing just sucks really
23:42.37Wormy_What I do with Recent Works is that it lifts me from the old trap of waiting to write my fiction in a collab, or waiting for myself to have the time and motivation to write a whole story when I want to get to the good parts
23:42.39MonetPerhaps its worth learning to compromise.
23:43.19Wormy_Recent Works allows me to go back at any time and add meat to the bones, or revisit old fiction and renew its context in the present
23:43.44XhoMaybe
23:43.55Wormy_I nearly added a part featuring the Manrinus rebellion and Gorge Dispute today, but I got distracted
23:44.04XhoOften the compromise is that I get pushed aside entirely so I just don't bother
23:44.16MonetThat's not fun at all.
23:44.29MonetBalance.
23:45.28TybusenLong ago the four nations lived in peace and harmony
23:45.35Tybusenthen everything changed when the fire nation attacked
23:45.42Wormy_Tek0156, The_Randomness:  https://github.com/fcampelo/EC-Bestiary
23:45.43The_RandomnessI still need to watch that
23:45.43MonetBalance is really hard. And it can be extremely tempting to stick with the extremes.
23:45.45The_Randomness>_>
23:46.27XhoI also need to figure out what to do once I go to uni
23:46.34XhoActivity will be zero by then
23:46.36The_RandomnessWormy_: Looks amusing, will look through it a little bit more after I get something to eat
23:46.50MonetTo engage in moderation is one of the most difficult things to do but it can also provide the greatest rewards.
23:46.57Charles_MurrayXho : I want to know, did I do something to discourage you? Is there something I could have done better?
23:47.08XhoNo one discouraged me
23:47.19Wormy_it is indeed amusing
23:47.21XhoI just don't get anywhere with anything in fiction
23:47.28XhoSo I don't really want to do it now
23:47.38XhoThe last time I actually got anywhere was War of Ages
23:48.14Wormy_I think you are discouraging yourself, tbh
23:48.27Wormy_Its an easy trap
23:48.35XhoProbably
23:48.46XhoI don't get anything out of this though
23:49.03XhoEveryone else here seems to get some satisfaction from doing fiction
23:49.04Wormy_It might well mean that you aren't, and need a way out
23:49.20Wormy_Well, I found *new* satisfaction from doing very little
23:49.21XhoLooking back at it I haven't really felt happy on the wiki for a number of years
23:49.43XhoI've just been plodding along hoping something might come out of it, which it hasn't
23:49.50Wormy_I was very unsatisfied and willing to give it an ultimate suspension before
23:50.28MonetBut yet you said you enjoy writing about the Xhodocto
23:50.44XhoThe Xhodocto are the only thing that remains from when I joined the wiki
23:50.52XhoMainly because they're my oldest fiction
23:51.20XhoAnd they're not really fiction at this point
23:51.32Spluff5WHAAAAAT?!?!
23:51.35XhoWell they are but they're not an accessible fiction
23:51.43Spluff5Oh
23:51.46XhoLike France or the Draconis or the PCA or anything
23:51.56MonetThey're very very fleshed out background content.
23:52.02XhoPretty much
23:52.09XhoI like worldbuilding in a way
23:52.47XhoBut worldbuilding is about as detached from collab as it gets
23:52.58TybusenI think the key would be to find what you like most about writing the Xhodocto and see if you can channel that into something that would also make you feel more connected to the fiction community
23:53.05MonetNot necessarily.
23:53.18Monet(to Xho)
23:53.40XhoWith the Xhodocto it's because they're a very distorted version of God
23:53.45XhoI can't really channel that into fiction
23:53.48MonetPart of the DI's success is I mixed worldbuilding and collab.
23:54.23XhoUnless I suddenly go grimdark Daemons again
23:54.25MonetAlmost everyone here has had some measure of influence on what the DI has become.
23:55.01XhoThat being said the extradimensional mindfuckery is probably what I'm best at
23:55.26MonetMaybe we need to find a way to channel that, rather than a twisted impression of God, into fiction.
23:55.37Spluff5Wait, DA is the Draconid Imperium right?
23:55.49The_RandomnessDI, yes
23:56.01Spluff5Oh yeah, duh
23:56.08XhoHaving an entire fictional scope of abominations isn't exactly usable though
23:56.32XhoThat would be like one user having fiction that's solely based on Chaos or the Tyranids
23:56.43XhoOr Lovecraft
23:57.05MonetWe already have that but it's not major.
23:57.35MonetIt's possible.
23:57.53The_RandomnessIt feels to me like you're grappling with issues of relatability
23:58.51XhoPretty much
23:58.57XhoI'm years out of the loop

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