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00:19.24DrodoEmpireHey Technobliterator
00:19.52Technobliteratorhi
00:20.41DrodoEmpireHey- when will you be able to RP?
01:05.29Technobliteratormaybe friday
01:07.04DrodoEmpirekk
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12:12.13HachimanHi
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12:12.44OluapPlayeraaa
12:49.47MonetHello
13:22.43Hachimantest
13:22.54NeonPandau fehl
13:31.24NeonPandathinking of going back and redoing that little thing I did on ship categories, maybe use it to build some momentum towards writing something
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13:47.23Xhobloody things and stuff
13:47.24Xhogha
13:47.26Xhogah even
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13:49.26XhoThe vet had the cat in overnight and she's apparently fine now
13:49.45Xho>this cat
13:49.47Xho>this fucking cat
13:51.09Hachimanhur
13:51.36XhoWe've decided to put her to sleep if her health fails again though
13:53.46XhoShe's too old to keep going around that vicious cycle so it's fairer like that
13:53.57HachimanOf coruse
13:54.00Hachimancourse
13:58.39XhoShe has a tendency of doing this as well
13:58.44XhoComing back from the brink
13:59.02OluapPlayerhttp://i.4cdn.org/vg/1472737225457.png Pelagrios in Dwarf Fortress
13:59.19Xholel
14:03.09XhoRight I gotta bbl, need to pick the cat up from the vet
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14:11.26Wormy_hi
14:39.00MonetHi
14:54.02HachimanDo, I just had a thought for a rather odd yet cool Sylit weapon
14:54.08HachimanVibro-chakram
14:58.38OluapPlayerdo
15:04.38MonetHmm, I can see such a weapon vibrating along its edge.
15:05.11HachimanAye
15:05.30HachimanAlthough that kinda brings into question how one would hold them
15:06.05HachimanI know some chakram designs have a central handle but the idea of throwing them like that is kinda awkward to me
15:06.20HachimanAs is using larger chakram in melee
15:08.23MonetThey're best used like frisbees iirc.
15:10.13HachimanWhich makes a vibrating edge kind of awkward when it can cut your hand
15:11.40Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/5zKPT
15:11.40NeonPandaHachiman: blades aren't actually that good at cutting just from sheer pressure, you can hold one in your hand quite comfortably even with a tight grip as long as it's not moving along the edge
15:13.00NeonPandathere is the matter of vibrating blades not being as good as they're actually touted to be, but that's another thing
15:13.13HachimanHow so?
15:14.01NeonPandabasically, blades work really well because all the force is going in one direction along a really sharp edge, vibrations direct some of that force to either side thus making the cut weaker
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15:14.40HachimanHi Imp
15:14.53HachimanWe were discussing the possibility of how Sylit vibro-chakrams would work
15:15.10NeonPandayou could then argue that the vibrations make the blade better at maiming (pushing the wound apart), but cutting is a little more important
15:15.19NeonPandaalso now that I think of it, the vibrations would probably screw up the flight path
15:15.44ImperiosHi
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15:15.56Quark8Hello.
15:15.56NeonPandais it being a chakram culturally significant? because I did just have another idea
15:16.08ImperiosNeonPanda: Perhaps a chakram that starts vibrating once it gets there
15:16.11ImperiosBut then again
15:16.23ImperiosYou could just make exploding chakrams in that case
15:16.34NeonPandawell that was the idea I just had, but I figured that would work better for something like a throwing knife which digs in deeper
15:16.36NeonPandathat also
15:16.40ImperiosBetter yet, self-burning chakbrams
15:16.47ImperiosChakrams
15:16.48ImperiosON FIRE
15:17.01NeonPandaeverything's better if it's on fire, except in Warframe :P
15:17.05Hachimanhur
15:17.14HachimanThose are some good ideas
15:17.16NeonPandaI will never forgive that game for making a two-metre long flaming sword boring
15:17.50ImperiosAlso random idea
15:18.07Wormy_hope this is humour http://i.imgur.com/HF59oad.jpg http://i.imgur.com/0no9q4i.jpg
15:18.12ImperiosThe honourable way to be executed in Sylit is the chakram-shaped guillotine
15:18.26Imperios*by  chakram-shaped
15:18.32HachimanWouldn't that be a bit impractical?
15:18.32ImperiosWhich may or may not be ON FIRE
15:18.46ImperiosHachiman: Not if you make it a half-circle
15:18.52HachimanAh#
15:18.52ImperiosRather than a full circle
15:19.05Hachimaninb4 spinning chakra flaming saw blade guillotine
15:19.33NeonPandawith a serrated edge for extra crowd-pleasing
15:20.16Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/cS77jiH
15:20.24HachimanEh, serrated edge and flaming sound like they cancel each other out kinda
15:20.54NeonPandawell tbh the flames aren't contributing much to the execution to start with
15:21.01HachimanThat's true
15:21.57Wormy_nsfw http://imgur.com/gallery/oWsD6
15:22.11HachimanWould larger half-circle chakrams work for melee weapons?
15:25.05GhelaeAre these half-circle vibro-chakrams or half-circle flaming chakrams?
15:25.47HachimanHalf-circle vibro-chakrams
15:26.19HachimanI imagine the rate at which vibroweapons actually vibrate would contribute enough heat to make fire redundants
15:26.24Hachimanredundant
15:26.27GhelaeOf the non-vibro non-flaming variety, I feel like this is something that already exists, although I might be misremembering.
15:26.53MonetThe amount of heat the blade generates while vibrating depends on the cooling ssytem
15:28.49NeonPandathey'd work, there'd be better things for the same job but they'd work
15:29.33HachimanWell I did plan for scimitar-like things to be the more standard and common weapon for Sylits
15:29.42Ghelaehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_scalpel - non-weaponised vibroweapon
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15:30.08Quark8Hello Charles_Bot.
15:30.13Charles_BotHey
15:30.34GhelaeHello.
15:30.49Wormy_This is quite unrelated but people have made taser swords.
15:30.50Charles_BotCurrently have a 15 minute break in my Politics of History course
15:30.56HachimanTaser swords?
15:30.59Charles_BotIt's going to be a great class
15:31.03HachimanI think I remember stuff like that
15:31.25Wormy_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F-VVjqarZE
15:31.51MonetCharles_Bot: Always a good thing.
15:32.12HachimanThat looks more dangerous to use
15:32.15Imperios"A weapon disguised as a weapon. No one will ever expect it."
15:33.56Wormy_https://youtu.be/fwzrWpB8_R0?t=1m13s
15:34.06HachimanI honestly don't think fire would do much for Sylits since I did say that they were fairly naturally resistant to heat and fire
15:35.27Charles_BotStarted a Fallout4 survival mode game
15:35.30Charles_BotReally fun
15:35.34Charles_BotReally hard
15:35.42Charles_BotDying is a real pain
15:35.49MonetHachiman: Maybe a bit. Fire is, after all, a plasma.
15:35.55HachimanTrue
15:35.59Wormy_oh god now someone's made an electric warhammer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFsid7sctOM
15:36.28HachimanThat's another thing; Falco did write for Sylits to make use of plasma
15:37.45NeonPandaCharles_Bot: what kind of build are you using?
15:37.57MonetHachiman: What were his plans?
15:38.16HachimanI remember that Falco wrote for Dondrik using something like Wolverine-style plasma claws
15:38.57HachimanWhich I'm not sure of the efficiency for but it does sound awesome
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15:39.22MonetHi
15:39.28HachimanHi
15:39.35OluapPlayer_no grrrr
15:40.40HachimanI'm honestly unsure if plasma weapons can match up to the reputation that vibroweapons have built up
15:41.20MonetHachiman: It does sound awesome. But if it's a natural process...idunno honestly. If they were a mechanical augmentation and the plasma fired up as the claws emerged, it could work.
15:41.44HachimanWell I don't mean like actual "growing through the skin from bone" Wolverine
15:41.52HachimanI meant more as in the formation of the claws
15:42.26HachimanPresumably Dondrik would've used some like special gauntlet or something, although having some mechanical augmentation that lets you do that at any time is pretty fucking badass
15:42.39MonetAs a device it's quite possible. Shaped magnetic fields might be a thing in the future
15:43.16GhelaeDo you mean claws made of plasma, or claws sheathed in plasma?
15:43.30HachimanI am assuming claws made of plasma
15:43.43HachimanAlthough claws sheathed in plasma might be more possible
15:43.58HachimanThough I dunno how you'd sheath a blade in plasma without actually damaging the blade
15:44.19MonetThat's easy
15:44.49GhelaeWhen you think of visible electricity, that's plasma: electrons themselves (as with any individual particle) have no colour; it's only when they re-bind to atoms that photons are emitted.
15:46.16MonetThe interior walls of of Tokamak-style fusion reactors use superconducting magnets to keep the superhot hydrogen gas mixture from melting the chamber.
15:46.47Ghelae"Shaped magnetic fields", as required for plasma blades aren't entirely a plausible idea: magnetic fields depend only on electric currents and changing electric fields, and ones that depend only on the latter independently of any charge are just EM waves.
15:47.17Wormy_They need a lot of power though just to cool the superconducting magnets.  An awful lot for plasma-sheafed claws
15:47.21GhelaeSo in order to have a magnetic field that traps a plasma, you need to literally surround it with electric currents.
15:47.41MonetGhelae: What about some kind of utility fog?
15:48.20GhelaeThat might be able to work.
15:49.13GhelaeMake their current-carrying parts with room-temperature superconductors with a high critical field strength.
15:50.41GhelaeKeeping the fog in place is more tricky. If they're held together, they're just a microscopically-fine net surrounding your blade, and anything the blade hits will have to break it first, although at least it could reform afterwards.
15:51.32GhelaePerhaps they each have optical tweezers which they use to keep each other in place.
15:52.46GhelaeThen our next problem is that the plasma will be hot, and thus will radiate a lot of heat. This won't be good for anything around it, especially not the utility fog.
15:53.20GhelaeThese, of course, are the same issues that lightsabers have.
15:53.25Wormy_You might have superheated gases escaping wherever the electric current-carrying foglets break up.  That's one criticism of the plasmasaber.  Although I'll use Sporewikiverse soldiers weilding plasma melee weapons need protection from EM radiation and heat anyway
15:53.45Wormy_*I guess SporeWikiverse
15:53.57HachimanI *might* just go with vibroclaws instead hur
15:54.00MonetWell that could actually have some benefit
15:54.37MonetThat gas is super-hot, so anything that you hit will be blasted with a jet of some 1000+ degree heat
15:54.43Wormy_And if they have plasma-shielding it might as well defeat the purpose of weilding a plasma knife or whatever
15:55.10Wormy_True, but what if it blasts you?
15:55.28Monetah
15:55.50Wormy_I get the impression that if the plasma itself doesn't, the radiation it emits will (if it is superhot, colder plasma exists)
15:56.27GhelaeIt is the thermal radiation that's a problem.
15:57.54GhelaeMore generally, this is the problem with any plasma and particle weapons in an atmosphere: they're *too* deadly.
15:58.31GhelaeBullets and swords just move air out of the way as they push through it. Plasma and particle weapons will break apart the air molecules themselves.
15:59.28MonetI think I had higher-ranking DI individuals using plasma-sheath blades.
16:00.46MonetMaybe their containment technology is one of those ancient innovations that they've managed to hold on to?
16:01.02HachimanPerhaps
16:01.56NeonPandaplasma's a fairly prevalent thing in the setting already, so it's not unreasonable to have plasma blades, explanation or not
16:02.13GhelaePlasma sheaths for material blades aren't so bad, because you need a lot less plasma, and you can allow it to dissipate because you just made more along the edge of the blade.
16:02.24Ghelaemake*
16:03.43GhelaeNeonPanda: From the perspective of internal consistency, yes, it seems to be a perfectly workable technology; in fact, they might already exist in-universe.
16:05.49Monetbbs
16:11.23HachimanWormy_: You know, I realised recently that in a few days, it would have been 10 years since Steve Irwin was taken from us
16:12.16Wormy_That was a sad day.
16:17.20Charles_BotNeonPanda: VATS sniper/sneak ranger
16:17.31NeonPandagut
16:17.33Charles_BotEmphasis on perception and intelligence
16:18.01Charles_BotDying is horrible
16:18.21NeonPandamake sure you've got the agility and endurance where it counts
16:18.38Charles_BotAye, definitely
16:19.01Charles_Bot(Endurance comes in third, though I'm building that up)
16:19.48Charles_BotAt one point I had everything under control in a firefight, picking raiders off one by one with well timed VATS snipes; then I see the barrel of a shotgun pointing at the back of my head.
16:19.53Charles_BotMe - ...
16:20.07Charles_Bot*head explodes*
16:20.43NeonPandathat does tend to happen
16:24.15NeonPandasurprised no 7 agi for the ninja perk, tbh
16:40.21Charles_BotNeonPanda: still building it, wip
16:40.47NeonPandafair enough, what are your current stats?
16:45.43Charles_BotI'll get them for you as soon as I get home
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17:09.57Monethi
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17:10.36DrodoEmpireHi everyone
17:19.19Monethi
17:19.36DrodoEmpireHey
17:19.57MonetImperios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p4tZt7xRu8 Paris is not prepared.
17:29.07Imperioshttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/84/Maltris_Coat_of_Arms.png/revision/latest?cb=20160901172448 More heraldry because why not
17:29.24ImperiosNow I wish I was a designer
17:29.43DrodoEmpireOoh nice
17:30.01ImperiosFUCK
17:30.11ImperiosI ACCIDENTALLY PAINTED OVER THE CARTOUCHE
17:40.52Xho_Awayundo ya git
17:42.29XhoAlso I'm back ya gits
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17:43.47Wormy_the birth of a meme http://imgur.com/gallery/vKbmh
17:44.03DrodoEmpireayy lmao
17:45.22Wormy_http://imgur.com/a/om3rF
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17:50.51Hachiman>tfw you lose connection to the Overwatch servers
17:50.54HachimanFucking kill me
17:51.34Quark8Imperios: That heraldry is awesome.
17:51.43Xhohao bout u play spore and make shit for tuuros insted
17:53.26DrodoEmpire_http://i.imgur.com/E0BfUmm.jpg
17:55.08Xhodat clause
18:01.02XhoIt's hard finding the oomph to do fiction when you're not on your own comptuer
18:01.05Xhocomputer even
18:01.07Xhosuks
18:01.47DrodoEmpire_Yeah...
18:01.58DrodoEmpire_Also- When're we doing Voidwalker next?
18:02.02DrodoEmpire_Or is that on hold?
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18:05.19DrodoEmpire_Hi
18:05.23XhoWell
18:05.26The_RandomnessHello
18:05.29XhoDo you have the Titanpad link
18:06.44GhelawayI hav the link, if you want me to post it here.
18:06.47Ghelawayhave*
18:06.57DrodoEmpire_Xho: I should
18:06.59XhoWell private message it to the relevant individuals
18:07.02XhoI don't have it
18:07.06DrodoEmpire_kk
18:07.49GhelawayAre there any other relevant individuals present besides you, Drodo, Wormy and Monet?
18:08.13ImperiosXho: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/84/Maltris_Coat_of_Arms.png/revision/latest?cb=20160901180702 That's the coat of arms
18:08.15XhoI can't remember now it's been a while
18:08.19ImperiosThat I was talking about
18:08.23XhoI saw
18:08.30Xhoy u no undo
18:08.33DrodoEmpire_There's a list of people involved
18:08.36ImperiosI fixed it now
18:08.42DrodoEmpire_On the pad- I'll get it to as many as are on here
18:09.26GhelawayOkay.
18:10.05HachimanSo, just watched Extra History's videos on Hiawatha and the Great Law of Peace
18:10.29HachimanI wish I knew more about Native American history and culture because it does seem quite fascinating
18:10.34DrodoEmpire_^
18:10.36DrodoEmpire_It is
18:10.37The_Randomness^
18:10.58DrodoEmpire_I did an essay on central american warfare, and it was awesome (if a bit difficult) to research and write about
18:11.30dromXho: Kicathian problemsolving http://imgur.com/gallery/yYyN8
18:11.52ImperiosDrodoEmpire_: Can you explain how Aztec macahuitls work?
18:11.53DrodoEmpire_Anyway- I can't contact dino or zilla or the like right now unfortunately, as they're not on
18:11.53ImperiosAre they like
18:11.59DrodoEmpire_Imperios: sure
18:12.01ImperiosJust sticks with sharp things inside?
18:12.07DrodoEmpire_Ehh not really
18:12.10ImperiosWell
18:12.12Xho"I will show him mercy by letting him be the first to die"
18:12.16ImperiosSticks with sharp obsidian shards
18:12.18DrodoEmpire_Imagine like a cricket bat almost
18:12.26ImperiosBut I don't understand why it would be that effective
18:12.32ImperiosIt's just a stick with a sharp thing
18:12.35DrodoEmpire_But along the edges are extremely sharp, regularly-sized shards of obsidian
18:12.42HachimanObsidian is the key
18:12.46DrodoEmpire_They were topheavy, and a bit clumsy
18:12.56ImperiosSo it's mostly just a stick
18:13.00DrodoEmpire_But they were easy to mass-produce and were *extremely* deadly when they contacted
18:13.01DrodoEmpire_No
18:13.01ImperiosIT just happens to leave cuts
18:13.04HachimanIt's not *just* a stick
18:13.05DrodoEmpire_No
18:13.09DrodoEmpire_You're wrong
18:13.11HachimanThey're good at both bludgeoning and piercing / puncturing
18:13.18XhoAllegedly powerful enough to hack through a horse's head given the momentum
18:13.19DrodoEmpire_The obsidian could cut very well and very brutally, like a saw
18:13.22Imperiosright
18:13.28HachimanAnd slashing it seems as well
18:13.29XhoOr neck even
18:13.33ImperiosWait wait wai
18:13.42ImperiosHow does that thing can cut through things if it's like mostly wood
18:13.48Hachiman*Obsidian*
18:13.48ImperiosOr is it very thin wood
18:13.54DrodoEmpire_The fuckin obsidian! >.<
18:14.04ImperiosObsidian can leave cuts
18:14.05DrodoEmpire_Its placed along the edges, very sharp
18:14.11XhoObsidian is mega sharp u dunce
18:14.14The_Randomness^
18:14.18ImperiosBut how can the whole thing cut through something
18:14.21ImperiosYeah I understand that
18:14.26DrodoEmpire_Because its more like a saw
18:14.29XhoThrough a pull movement
18:14.31ImperiosBut I don't see how it can't, say, slash or chop
18:14.39XhoHacks through like a hand saw
18:14.41DrodoEmpire_You dig yourself in, and then pull
18:14.46ImperiosHoly shit
18:14.51DrodoEmpire_Its utterly savage
18:14.53Xhodid u not watch deadliest warrior kek
18:15.12HachimanDeadliest Warrior does a lot of things wrong, but the weapon demonstrations are actually pretty good from what I know
18:15.19DrodoEmpire_Fairly good I guess
18:15.22XhoThey get the principles right
18:15.24Imperiosright
18:15.25DrodoEmpire_The whole premise is dum though
18:15.30HachimanYeah the premise is dum
18:15.41DrodoEmpire_It had disadavantages, like its clumsiness in comparison to a European sword, but it was pretty deadly when used right
18:15.43HachimanAs is the whole false antagonism that they advertise between the sides that go on there
18:15.54DrodoEmpire_^
18:15.58XhoNeeds an energy sword from Halo
18:16.04Xhoinstakill pls
18:16.12DrodoEmpire_hur
18:16.35DrodoEmpire_The central americans used a lot of weapons based on the same principle as the macuahuitl
18:16.44dromXho: No
18:16.44XhoOh we're missing Treebeard as well although he appears to have disappeared
18:16.45DrodoEmpire_(I believed the style's called "macana)
18:16.48DrodoEmpire_*"
18:16.48dromNeeds more katanas
18:17.00DrodoEmpire_Including spears, axes, etc.
18:17.04DrodoEmpire_ew katanas
18:17.05dromAnd we need more steel-plated fedoras
18:17.07DrodoEmpire_>.>
18:17.14HachimanConsidering that Aztecs did not have to fight opponents heavily-armoured opponents, the macuahuitl and other weapons they used were quite effective
18:17.17DrodoEmpire_^
18:17.30DrodoEmpire_The central americans lacked very heavy armour yeah
18:17.39HachimanArmour I suppose mostly consisted of hides and wood and such for Central Americans
18:17.48Xhohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanda_(sword)) india represent
18:17.49DrodoEmpire_The best they had were ornate wooden helmets and cotton suits, soaked in brine
18:17.53DrodoEmpire_I love the Khanda
18:18.00HachimanThe Khanda is cool
18:18.02XhoQuark8: india represent dammit
18:18.21dromI love halberds the most
18:18.23Quark8Wee.
18:18.32DrodoEmpire_drom: Halberds are really cool yeah
18:18.41dromThey are still quite powerful
18:18.48HachimanIsn't the Khanda functionally more like a saw than a sword?
18:19.09XhoCan't remember
18:19.11DrodoEmpire_More like a cleaver I think
18:19.17Quark8Dravidian power: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katar_(dagger)
18:19.18dromSo you are basically using a khanda is like murdering someone with a bread knife?
18:19.21HachimanYeah, a cleaver is what I've heard it described at
18:19.23Hachimanas
18:19.33HachimanMore like a butcher's knife
18:19.40XhoKatars are great as well
18:19.48XhoAlthough I get reminded of Voldo from Soulcalibur
18:20.02DrodoEmpire_hur
18:20.17Hachimanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pata_(sword)) This seems kinda cool
18:20.18DrodoEmpire_India's home to a *ton* of exotic weapons
18:20.42HachimanDrodoEmpire: I was actually discussing giving Sylits chakrams earlier
18:21.12DrodoEmpire_"The Mughals also developed a variation of the pata with matchlock pistols adjoining the handle."
18:21.22HachimanWhoa what
18:21.36DrodoEmpire_kickass shit XD
18:21.42DrodoEmpire_Anyhow, go on
18:21.43Imperiosdrodo: steel-tipped fedora that can be thrown like a chakram
18:21.47dromDrodoEmpire_: Remember, if we were Indians, we'd say that Europe is home to a *ton* of exotic weapons.
18:21.47Imperios* drom
18:21.48DrodoEmpire_olol
18:21.51dromBut still
18:21.57Xhoi.e. kung lao
18:22.05DrodoEmpire_drom: Not necessarily
18:22.10DrodoEmpire_Europe had its share
18:22.19HachimanLike, smaller vibro-chakram used for throwing while larger half-circle vibro-chakram possibly for melee
18:22.26dromI see.
18:22.31DrodoEmpire_But longswords, glaives, halberds, etc. appear in the hands of most civilisations
18:22.37DrodoEmpire_Push-daggers don't
18:22.50dromLongswords, also called bastard swords.
18:22.50DrodoEmpire_So no, relativism is wrong again >.<
18:22.54dromNo wonder why.
18:23.00DrodoEmpire_Slightly different I believe
18:23.07DrodoEmpire_But that whole debate's a little murky
18:23.11HachimanScimitar-esque curved blades would be more common among Sylit officers and warriors and such but it was just a thought to make them a bit more exotic
18:23.27DrodoEmpire_Nah that's pretty cool Hachi
18:23.31HachimanI'm honestly iffy on the idea of how chakram can be used for melee
18:23.36Xhoslash
18:23.36HachimanIt just seems so odd
18:23.37DrodoEmpire_Drodo - More swords yey
18:23.46DrodoEmpire_It does, so I'm a bit skeptical
18:23.48NeonPandaway late to the obsidian club conversation, but basically it's better to think of it as a club with sharp bits than a blunt sword
18:23.53DrodoEmpire_^
18:24.03DrodoEmpire_It behaved more like a sophisticated club
18:24.13HachimanYeah; think a baseball bat with reinforced glass sticking out the ends of it
18:24.23dromWell yeah. The aztecs barely developed the proper art of blacksmithing
18:24.38NeonPandaHachiman: not very effectively, but basically you'd use it for slashing attacks
18:24.41DrodoEmpire_They had bronzeworking and that's it yeah
18:24.54DrodoEmpire_I prefer the cricket bat analogy but yeah
18:25.07dromYeah, but was it also used for smithing/crafting weapons?
18:25.17DrodoEmpire_Yes
18:25.20HachimanWhat are bronze weapons
18:25.22dromI see.
18:25.34DrodoEmpire_The central americans made use of rudimentary bronze axes
18:25.49DrodoEmpire_But they were usually used by the wealthy and were hardly universal among the ethnic groups there
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18:26.09Luxorevening
18:26.10DrodoEmpire_Hi
18:26.14dromThat explains it
18:26.15dromHi
18:26.49Luxor16 more flags to do... meh
18:26.53dromAnyway, DrodoEmpire_. I remember me discussing about the culture of Kurinnur Technocracy.
18:27.21dromNot much about it, but I did comtemplate about writing it.
18:27.23NeonPandaunrelated note, I went back and read through basically everything on my ideas page
18:27.37NeonPandaat some point I should put some more wholesome ultraviolence to paper
18:29.13ImperiosNeonPanda: Horrorshow droog
18:29.38NeonPandanot sure if I get that reference
18:29.53ImperiosClockwork Orange
18:29.59ImperiosUltraviolence
18:30.09HachimanAye
18:30.17dromhttp://i.imgur.com/9yySPyD.jpg
18:31.07NeonPandaeveryone knows I lean more towards the WH40K kind of ultraviolence, less rape involved, lot more murder
18:31.53HachimanEh, well, when Slaanesh is involved...
18:32.03HachimanAnd when the Dark Eldar are involved...
18:33.29NeonPandabut when Khorne is involved
18:33.43NeonPandaand for that matter basically anything that isn't the two above
18:34.30HachimanI have to say that 40K needs a little more BURN MAIM KILL
18:34.42HachimanTo make up for the fact that Slaanesh is such a massive faggot
18:35.55Xhomilk for the khorne flakes
18:36.13NeonPanda40k has plenty of BMK, you're just paying attention to the pervy parts
18:38.19Imperiosmememeemememememeemememmemeememememememeemememememememememeemememememememeeeeeeemememe
18:38.27Imperiosshit
18:38.57HachimanLooks like Imp couldn't hold all of his memes
18:39.43Xhodankh mehmehs
18:39.56NeonPandaimp needs to calm down is what he needs
18:40.06ImperiosI am calm
18:40.11ImperiosKeyboard stuff
18:41.01LuxorNormal for russians
18:41.05Luxor>:D
18:41.07Xhocyka
18:41.10HachimanAlso I'm kind of mad I have to share my Overwatch EU servers with Russians
18:41.18Luxorhuehue
18:41.25Luxorguess you never played cs go
18:41.32HachimanThere are only exclusive servers for Americans, Europeans, and Asians
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18:41.47NeonPandahey man, I've got to play with americans
18:42.26dino82_hi
18:43.10Quark8Hello.
18:43.12XhoMESHUGGAH HYPE TRAIN AT MAXIMUM SPEED
18:43.37dromtwitches violently
18:43.53dromI don't know how to expand KT's culture section!
18:44.04Xhoworships meshuggah
18:44.04Xhodere
18:47.29dromBesides, I'm supposed to make KT some space vessels too. Design ansethetics are welcome
18:48.15Luxorornaments, lots of ornaments
18:48.25Luxorornaments look great, always, on a n y t h i n g
18:48.29Luxorespecially floral ones
18:48.30Xhoanesthetics
18:48.31Xhowut
18:48.51Luxoraneasthetics preferably
18:49.00LuxorNot sure if...
18:49.07Xhoanaesthetics
18:49.09Xhobut wut
18:49.30Monetdrom: Well it could reflect their buildings
18:49.44ImperiosYou mean aesthetics
18:49.48dromAESTHETICS
18:49.49Imperiosanasthetics are drugs
18:50.07dromThat is what I get for roleplaying as a doctor the whole last summer.
18:50.44Luxorhuehuehue...
18:50.55Luxor*vietnam flashbacks intensifies*
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18:51.06Luxoray
18:51.25Quark8Hello Cyrannman.
18:51.28HachimanA E S T H E T I C
18:51.30Quark8*Cyrannian
18:51.32CyrannianHello everyone
18:52.24XhoW H A T  I S  U P  W I T H  T Y P I N G  L I K E  T H I S
18:52.39LuxorI T  K I L L S  M Y  S P A C E B A R
18:52.45LuxorP L E A S E  S T A H P
18:52.58OluapPlayer_Can you cut that out please
18:53.04XhoNo seriously where did this meme come from
18:53.14DrodoEmpire_Ironic memeing for the most part
18:53.26DrodoEmpire_Or- the Modern Art of the Internet
18:53.27DrodoEmpire_<.<
18:53.32dromStraight outta 4chan
18:54.20Luxormaking memes since 1945
18:54.41Xhoi did nazi that coming
18:55.03Luxordonut talk to me like that
18:55.07XhoThis is the worst conversation on the IRC ever
18:55.15MonetIf memes are the DNA of culture then doge and co must be viri.
18:55.32DrodoEmpire_Xho: Ironic memes are generally the worst thing ever
18:55.35DrodoEmpire_<.<
18:55.39Xhonice psot
18:55.44Luxoromfg
18:55.46Xhowow I suck at this
18:55.58Luxorokay, enough of that
18:56.20drom> donut talk to me like that
18:56.26Luxorhue
18:56.28dromYou reminded me of the three stoogies
18:56.38Monet4chan is infectious, wash your hands regularly.
18:56.54Luxorall 'chans are infectious, if not cancerous
18:57.10LuxorThe Toilet of Internet
18:57.16dromThe symptoms are memetic mutation and retardation.
18:57.16Monetcancers and infections are every different things.
18:57.28Luxorikr
18:58.53MonetActually come to think of it consider how prevalent memes are these days.
18:59.18MonetAnd then all the people who design something with the intent of it becoming a meme.
18:59.19HachimanMemes and trends have always been prevalent in almost every culture
18:59.35Luxor*reminds 'dat boi' heresy and other forced memes*
18:59.39MonetMemes are something of a super-trend.
18:59.52DrodoEmpire_^
19:00.09DrodoEmpire_Internet memes and shitposting are pretty unique in their size and speed or spread
19:00.50OluapPlayer_This conversation is starting to verge on cringe territory
19:01.07DrodoEmpire_*something I don't like comes along* -> *call it cringey"
19:01.08DrodoEmpire_*
19:01.09DrodoEmpire_kk
19:01.25MonetAnd that's why memes are no normal trend.
19:01.42Luxorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3pLDrZQTf8
19:01.50DrodoEmpire_In-jokes in general are indeed ancient- the old "Kilroy is here" graffiti sorta resembled a meme in how and why it spread and it dates back to WWII
19:02.04OluapPlayer_Don't "kk" me
19:03.27MonetI might have been one of those who grew up on memes before Revengeance referenced the word. I vaguely recall my dad had a copy of The Selfish Gene in the early 2000s.
19:03.29DrodoEmpire_Don't say a conversation on memetics in general is cringey for some reason
19:03.52OluapPlayer_So i'm not allowed to voice my opinion
19:04.06DrodoEmpire_You're perfectly allowed
19:04.28Luxor*emergency evacuation inbound*
19:05.03OluapPlayer_I find the act of over-analyzing internet memes cringeworthy
19:05.08MonetAllowed but free speech means we are allowed to challenge the opinion. So long as it doesn't become a battleground.
19:05.34DrodoEmpire_I figure its more a case-study for a larger subject
19:05.54LuxorHow did this conversation even go this way
19:06.04DrodoEmpire_No idea but it should stop
19:06.05LuxorI guess it begun with anesthetics
19:06.20MonetConsidering Richard Dawkins practically predicted the internet meme, and was a catalyst for the scientific field of Memetics, I'm not sure if we are over-analyzing.
19:06.49OluapPlayer_I'm more concerned over the fact I can't find a stock sound for a video
19:07.06OluapPlayer_It shouldn't be this difficult to find the sound of a person trembling
19:07.22MonetOluapPLayer: Where are you looking?
19:07.29LuxorI just found one
19:07.29Luxorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqo-v-zeZ24
19:07.30OluapPlayer_Google
19:07.41LuxorI'm a horrible person
19:07.44OluapPlayer_I'm not laughing
19:07.49MonetSoundcloud has a pretty good sound effects library.
19:08.01DrodoEmpire_Luxor: ancient meme <.<
19:08.27Luxordon't even start that again
19:08.27MonetI use Freesound.org a lot.
19:09.00OluapPlayer_I visited that
19:09.06OluapPlayer_It doesn't have the sound I want
19:09.11OluapPlayer_At least, I couldn't find it
19:09.18Monetah
19:09.54OluapPlayer_Well putting "trembling" in soundcloud gets me a bunch of song tracks with "trembling" in their title
19:10.08MonetLook up something like "hyperventilating"
19:11.34MonetWhen people tremble the vast majority of sound comes from the breathing - try sounds for people who are scared, cold, nervous, etc.
19:11.51Monet"panic breathing"
19:12.03OluapPlayer_I want cartoony noises, not actual scared person noises
19:12.06LuxorI'd like to know why you'd need such a sound
19:12.24OluapPlayer_Anyway I found a rattling noise which's close enough
19:12.25LuxorIf possible ofc
19:12.26DrodoEmpire_Oluap: Ahh, like the old cartoon shivering sound
19:13.17OluapPlayer_Yeah
19:13.45DrodoEmpire_Being such a common sound I'm surprised it didn't show up
19:14.40MonetMaybe "shivering" would have produced more positive results
19:14.56OluapPlayer_It's hard to find something that common because you don't know how to word the search
19:15.06OluapPlayer_That sound could have dozens of different names
19:17.05MonetIt's easier to look for something that closely resembles your sound rather than the sound itself - A lot of traditional SFX involves all kinds of crazy sources
19:17.46OluapPlayer_Fucking what are you serious
19:17.50MonetThe lightsaber "vmmm" for instance comes from holding a microphone to an idle speaker.
19:17.54OluapPlayer_I'm not gonna pay 5 dollars for a gulping noise
19:18.12OluapPlayer_Why would you even charge people for that?
19:18.51MonetProbably because the equipment to record a good sound is on the pricy side.
19:20.42OluapPlayer_disgusting still
19:21.22MonetSome peopel make a living off making all these random sounds.
19:22.23MonetFreesound is, well, free.
19:32.48DrodoEmpire_test
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19:34.48Luxoram of backings
19:34.54DrodoEmpire_Hi
19:50.29dromAlright...
19:50.39dromhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kurinnur_Technocracy#Culture_.26_Ethics I did describe their cuisine a bit.
19:50.40DrodoEmpire_Hm?
19:52.25Luxoryummy
19:54.16dromI forgot to add a detail about the alcohol content of their brewage, it is there now.
19:58.08Wormy_I hate it when I ask someone do do my a favour on the phone and I forgot to say "thanks"
19:58.24Luxorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:215893
19:58.26LuxorHere we go
19:58.35Luxorhave a nice (rest) of the day
19:58.46LuxorI'm going to bed, 'll check responses tomorro.
19:58.50Luxorcya
19:58.55Wormy_<PROTECTED>
20:01.00dromXho: Apparently the translation of "divine" to KT's language is "spu"
20:01.50Tek0516Wormy_: As a Canadian with Aspergers I symphasize. :P
20:02.22Wormy_I don't ask favours very often so got a bit shy and tried to finish it as quickly as possible
20:02.26HachimanAss burgers
20:02.40Tek0516kicks Hachiman
20:02.59dromAnyway, here is Kurinnur Technocracy's language. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Dromlexer/Language/KT
20:03.08dromÁ la DF
20:03.15Tek0516Wormy_: oh I absolutely know what you mean.
20:03.32Wormy_I think we with Aspergers are very self-conscious so everything we do and feel gets reflected inwards, unfortunately somehow that makes us less socially aware somehow
20:03.58Quark8drom: How did you generate that?
20:04.29dromI used a third-party tool and a plenty google searching to create it
20:05.25Quark8Which tool?
20:05.25dromHowever, the availability of words is limited and does only come in one form. I've to edit a specific file and then hit "Extend Language"
20:05.51Wormy_Constantly applying too much thought to ourse;ves is probably mentally tasking
20:06.35dromourse;ves?
20:06.38dromuniverse?
20:07.14dromOh
20:07.16dromOurselves
20:09.02DrodoEmpire_I'll need to cook up some new stuff for this next Klaxon <.<
20:09.06dromQuark8: http://i.imgur.com/culdEAO.png
20:14.08dromDrodoEmpire_: Here I sit and ponder how KT would introduce themselves in UDB :thinking:
20:14.19DrodoEmpire_Ah
20:15.25dromIf it should be like this:
20:16.57drom"Encrypted message; Kurinnur Technocracy - Tuuros Galaxy.    Message: Hi, we welcome you with two words: "Fuck off" Have a good day! - Agency of Foreign Relations"
20:17.32The_Randomnesslol
20:22.40dromDrodoEmpire_: I love the effort you put into satire
20:22.48DrodoEmpire_Thanks
20:22.49DrodoEmpire_:>
20:36.53Xhodrom: Fuck how long did that take
20:40.24GhelawayThe_Randomness, and Xho maybe: Quark and I are working on the super-collab language again, if you'd like to join in.
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20:40.44The_RandomnessGhelaway: Just got into a match in League of Legends, I'll pop in later
20:40.51GhelawayOkay.
20:40.56dromXho: Making that language of KT?
20:44.52dromXho: Not too long
20:45.03dromLess than 30 mins to setup the tool
20:45.24dromOne hour on finding a text file of a reference language you want use
20:49.03Xhoicelandic tho
20:49.15XhoGhelaway: titanpad pls
20:49.25HachimanImpyDroid: What would you say if I proposed to myself becoming the next Heinlein
20:49.26Quark8https://titanpad.com/hK8iu1YqBn
20:49.32Quark8*Xho:
20:50.58XhoPoor old cat's not in a good state
20:51.05HachimanOuch
20:51.11HachimanIs she turning again?
20:51.17XhoLooks like it
20:51.30XhoShe keeps spacing out
20:51.46HachimanDid the vet give her any drugs or medication?
20:51.56XhoWe already have some
20:52.08XhoI don't think it's gonna do anything now though
20:52.15HachimanMaybe it's those that are causing her to space?
20:52.36XhoUnlikely, it's the main thing that's kept her health together until now
20:52.48XhoI think she's just too old to go on
20:53.25HachimanDamn, I'm sorry
20:58.31XhoWell I'm not massively gutted about it
20:58.48XhoIt's more reassuring to know that putting her down is more merciful than her current condition
20:59.14HachimanYeah I get you
20:59.34XhoRight now I'm more concerned in trying to figure out just what the fuck Death Stranding is
21:00.01Hachimanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCQvFPll-oQ Well there is this
21:00.58HachimanI can tell I'm about to go through a rough patch soon regarding pets; one of my dogs has epilepsy and he's been having more regular fits recently, it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact he was only 4 years old
21:01.34HachimanWell, is
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21:02.56Spluff5I made a thing!
21:03.04Quark8Congrats.
21:03.14dromXho: "In memory of Fluffy Kitten. We are adopting another cat, Floffy Kitten!"
21:03.55Xholife
21:04.04dromInsensitivty aside, I know that feel.
21:04.09XhoHachiman: That sucks
21:04.24dromHad to put down our old dog after they bit my mother.
21:04.30XhoDrom: Oddly enough the cat is actually eating her food
21:04.35XhoShe wasn't eating yesterday
21:04.56Spluff5http://imgur.com/PuiVfJa
21:05.06Spluff5Space-born antimatter plant.
21:05.23Xhobut hao does dat work
21:06.00dromXho: It uses handwavium as its primary source of energy.
21:06.07Xhoah yes
21:06.12Xhoi invented that source
21:06.16XhoOr was it Valader I forget
21:06.21dromNo I did
21:06.23Xhorite
21:06.25Xhofuk u den
21:06.29dromOr wait
21:06.38dromGhel did, probably...
21:06.43dromOr was it Wormy_?
21:07.03GhelawayI don't think any of us here invented the word "handwavium".
21:07.47GhelawayBut Spluff's plant uses either monopoles or Q-balls, both of which have real-world theoretical physics mechanisms for matter-antimatter conversion.
21:11.13Spluff5This particular one uses monopoles. You can see the two high-intensity electron beams and the particle accelerator that makes the monopoles.
21:11.57MonetXho: Sorry about your cat. 19 is an amazing age though.
21:12.02Xho17
21:13.33Monetstill a good long life for a cat.
21:13.51XhoYeah
21:15.29Spluff5I don't like way the lighting came out though, is there a way to make stuff brighter but still look like it's in space?
21:16.54HachimanPut it next to a sun
21:17.12Xho10/1-
21:17.36XhoWormy_: What site did you get your PC from
21:17.46Wormy_Cyberpower
21:17.52HachimanPC World
21:17.58Wormy_Christmas deal is best
21:18.25Wormy_Don't listen to the hate about Cyberpower my PC is awesomesauce
21:19.03Wormy_More powerful yet £1000 cheaper than the equivelient Alienware
21:19.13Wormy_*equivalent
21:19.16Xhohm
21:19.16dromHow many of ya'all had tried making their own computer rig from scratch?
21:19.21dromraises a hand
21:19.23XhoI was looking at an Alienware
21:19.32XhoDecent price all things considered
21:19.39Wormy_No, but I had my computer assembled from parts I selected
21:19.50Spluff5http://imgur.com/9FJTSdY
21:20.17dromAnyway, what are your thoughts on the Kurinnurii cuisine so far?
21:20.27Spluff5Paradoxically, the solution was to make it night time on the planet right where it was.
21:20.29MonetAlienware is good but can be overpriced.
21:20.35dromsecond paragraph in here http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Kurinnur_Technocracy#Culture_.26_Ethics
21:20.54dromops, gotta go
21:21.22Wormy_Xho:  If you are going Cyberpower, I'd wait until the winter deals
21:23.17XhoI cannot wait that long
21:24.07Spluff5I like the cuisine, sounds kind of Klingon.
21:24.15Spluff5Also, space Marmite.
21:25.28Wormy_+1 for saying marmite, not vegemite
21:27.57XhoMight try Cyberpower then
21:28.06Xho2000 pounds is better than 3000
21:30.34Monethttp://www.pcgamer.com/lindsay-lohans-gta-5-lawsuit-has-been-tossed-out-of-court/ well that took forever.
21:30.57Xhoyuy
21:32.15DrodoEmpire_hur
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21:33.30Groxkiller98Heya.
21:33.32XhoMight work on the Zhulultu homeworld
21:33.33XhoHi
21:33.46Quark8Hello.
21:33.51Groxkiller98I had an idea for a Teyan military technology.
21:34.04Groxkiller98Anyone seen the Titans from 40K?
21:34.07Groxkiller98That.
21:34.13Groxkiller98But... Bigger.
21:34.18DrodoEmpire_:p
21:34.19MonetSeems the primary reason for dismissal is Lacey Jonas and Red Bikini Girl is neither were ever named "Lindsay Lohan", and the two weren't played by or a photograph of her
21:34.25DrodoEmpire_So a ridiculously-massive mech
21:34.33Groxkiller98Yes!
21:34.53Groxkiller98Because nothing beats having the biggest, flashiest gun!
21:35.02DrodoEmpire_Personally, I'm not the *biggest* fan of mechs but they absolutely have their uses
21:35.06DrodoEmpire_But why so large?
21:35.11DrodoEmpire_And how large are you thinking?
21:35.15Groxkiller98Because it's big and flashy?
21:35.34DrodoEmpire_How large are you thinking?
21:35.37MonetAs a video game, the two were  also protected by the right of Free Speech as an image of fiction and satire
21:36.25Groxkiller98I was thinking between 10 and 70 meters tall.
21:37.04DrodoEmpire_Hmm
21:37.05GhelawayThat's quite a height range.
21:37.09DrodoEmpire_^
21:37.11Groxkiller98It is.
21:37.21Groxkiller98Different classes are different sizes.
21:37.25HachimanThat's a lot of resources for something that will have its legs blown out from underneath it
21:37.41DrodoEmpire_A thirty-foot tall mech *could* work
21:37.44HachimanIn regards to practicality, I much prefer the battlesuits used in Starship Troopers
21:37.49DrodoEmpire_It'd be enormous
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21:37.53Groxkiller98Scouting Titanmechs would be 10-15. Battle Titanmechs would be 30-50
21:37.55DrodoEmpire_But its still rather big
21:37.57HachimanSpeaking of small dongs
21:37.59HachimanHi
21:38.10Quark8Hello OluapPlayer.
21:38.10DrodoEmpire_Why would you use an enormous titan for scouting?
21:38.12DrodoEmpire_o.O
21:38.24Groxkiller98Because big, and flashy?
21:38.28Xhoups
21:38.33DrodoEmpire_You use an plane, jeep, radar, or cavalryman for that
21:38.46Groxkiller98Have you seen the scouting Titans in 40K?
21:38.50HachimanI honestly have come to prefer Tau battlesuits; I just find Titans kinda silly
21:39.00DrodoEmpire_Its still a ridiculous idea
21:39.03HachimanAnd yes, I have; it's not efficient for scouting despite the name due to its size
21:39.08DrodoEmpire_Here, I'll explain something
21:39.10Groxkiller98It's about big and flashy.
21:39.19DrodoEmpire_I *love* rule of cool, and I use it in my fiction
21:39.24Groxkiller98^
21:39.27DrodoEmpire_But for something to actually becool it still has to work
21:39.32Groxkiller98XD
21:39.33DrodoEmpire_It has to be justified and somewhat practical
21:39.46HachimanYeah
21:39.47DrodoEmpire_What you're proposing isn't practical and lacks any real justification
21:39.50Groxkiller98Terror tactics.
21:40.00DrodoEmpire_Terror doesn't win wars
21:40.11DrodoEmpire_And it isn;t worth investing so much in to
21:40.13HachimanDo you ever wonder why terror tactics are not used by official militaries
21:40.25Groxkiller98Because ethics?
21:40.25DrodoEmpire_Partly because its completely immoral and we have laws against
21:40.28DrodoEmpire_*that
21:40.42Groxkiller98Whatever! I'm going to do it!
21:40.43Monet"big and flashy" and "scouting" *really* don't mix well
21:40.50HachimanYou have Rule of Cool and then you have just being flat out retarded
21:40.53DrodoEmpire_And partly because a *real* military will never allow such an enemy the opportunity to terrorise
21:41.02HachimanAnd 40k has an occasional tendency to be retarded at times
21:41.04Xhowhy not rule of retard
21:41.06DrodoEmpire_Groxkiller98: If you're gonna do it anyway why ask for advice
21:41.09DrodoEmpire_*?
21:41.11Hachimanretards do not have rules
21:41.15Groxkiller98...
21:41.35DrodoEmpire_We're telling you stuff and you're saying "fuck that!"
21:41.38DrodoEmpire_You're allowed to
21:41.39Groxkiller98I wanted opinions. Didn't mean I was gonna change my mind based on the opinion
21:41.39XhoSantorakh - dam straight
21:41.42DrodoEmpire_But I don't recomment it
21:42.01Groxkiller98They're like mobile fortresses.
21:42.05MonetGroxkiller: That's not really how feedback works.
21:42.07Groxkiller98And look a weird.
21:42.13Groxkiller98Awesome*
21:42.23Groxkiller98Sometimes I hate my phone...
21:42.29Hachimanhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/57/Stitch16.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130419052459 Stealth battlesuits are still one of my favourite things regarding the Tau
21:42.39Groxkiller98I'm gonna try make them look realistic enough, still.
21:42.50Groxkiller98But honestly; Rule of Cool.
21:42.58Groxkiller98That's all the reason I need.
21:42.59DrodoEmpire_Rule of cool still needs justification
21:43.07DrodoEmpire_I do that-- you aren't
21:43.10DrodoEmpire_But go right ahead
21:43.15OluapPlayerWhat you're suggesting isn't cool
21:43.20Groxkiller98...
21:43.22Groxkiller98:(
21:43.33MonetIt's showing off more than anything.
21:43.38XhoMy parents used the word cool once
21:43.47Groxkiller98That's the Teyan for you...
21:43.52Hachiman40k gets away with it because Titans are used to fight equally large and terrifying threats
21:44.26HachimanAlthough Chaos just dumps Titans wherever because they're Chaos and they're a bunch of madmen
21:44.29Groxkiller98The Teyan can be show offs. Doesn't make it effective. But they can pour resources into it if they want.
21:44.34Groxkiller98XD
21:44.40Groxkiller98Chaos! Perfect!
21:44.41XhoWell instead of making them mechs
21:44.48XhoMake actual mobile fortresses
21:44.51XhoThat's more feasible
21:44.53HachimanWalking tanks
21:44.54OluapPlayerThat just means they'll get their asses kicked and get annihilated
21:44.57Groxkiller98I'll mix the two.
21:44.57DrodoEmpire_^
21:45.00MonetIn XCOM Chryssalids are used as a terror weapon. But *only* as a terror weapon. As beasts bred to kill they're very good at killing but practically uncontrollable.
21:45.07DrodoEmpire_^
21:45.28DrodoEmpire_They tend to get their asses handed to them by well-positioned soldiers with guns :p
21:45.51MonetTerror weapons are for making the enemy shit themselves, weapons of war are for making sure the enemy dies in a controlled and effective manner.
21:45.56HachimanThat's a lot of valuable time and resources being pooled into something that just goes into a terror weapon
21:46.02Groxkiller98Well, an overly massive, mobile, metal monstrosity is still pretty terrifying when it's aiming everything it has at you.
21:46.07OluapPlayerWe're a website that doesn't really approve of dickwaving
21:46.18HachimanYeah but for some reason we keep Xho around
21:46.26DrodoEmpire_ayy
21:46.27DrodoEmpire_<.<
21:46.27Groxkiller98It's not trying to be dick waving.
21:46.33OluapPlayerXho is an exception since he always loses in the end
21:46.33DrodoEmpire_Anyway
21:46.34Groxkiller98Xx
21:46.38MonetGroxkiller98: It's also a massive target for enemy artillery and air support.
21:46.38Groxkiller98XD
21:46.42DrodoEmpire_Like I said, feel free to make it
21:46.50Xhodo what you will           i already won
21:46.54DrodoEmpire_But don't ever complain of belittling
21:46.55DrodoEmpire_:p
21:47.02Groxkiller98Well... Ever heard of the Distraction Carnifex?
21:47.12HachimanYes and that's dumb
21:47.15DrodoEmpire_A competent military *will* destroy your titans easily
21:47.16Groxkiller98It works.
21:47.21DrodoEmpire_No
21:47.25HachimanAlso Tyranids use Zerg tactics
21:47.28Groxkiller98It used to.
21:47.29DrodoEmpire_Just because someone else does it doesn't mean it works
21:47.34XhoI already have the eternal destroyer gods so I can lose all I want
21:47.36DrodoEmpire_It means they *think* it works
21:47.37Groxkiller98XD
21:47.44Hachimanaka the most basic and primitive form of warfare
21:48.09Groxkiller98I'm going to ally with the Xhodocto. If they don't murder me first...
21:49.06Groxkiller98Xhodocto, can my races be your underlings for protection when they waste military resources on pointlessly flash garbage?
21:49.12Groxkiller98Xho*
21:49.12DrodoEmpire_...
21:49.17Groxkiller98Again. Phone...
21:49.18HachimanThis is about as retarded as the idea of nations using kaiju
21:49.21DrodoEmpire_My head...
21:49.39Groxkiller98Okay. Yeah. This has devolved a lot...
21:49.41Quark8~revive DrodoEmpire_
21:49.41infobotACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive DrodoEmpire_
21:49.53Quark8Are you better now?
21:49.57Groxkiller98I'll revise my idea.
21:50.05MonetGood idea
21:50.07DrodoEmpire_A bit >.<
21:50.12DrodoEmpire_Excellent plan
21:50.13Groxkiller98But I'm keeping some flashy stuff.
21:50.14Quark8~congratulate Groxkiller98
21:50.14infobotACTION congratulates Groxkiller98 on being a new owner of a $500 brick.
21:50.23Quark8Dere.
21:50.24Groxkiller98And
21:50.25Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxXEPk3dzFg Dominion council right now
21:50.35Groxkiller98... Biggness.
21:50.59HachimanXho: do yoo baleev in da devil
21:51.17Groxkiller98I might actually have some mad Teyan general try build a Titan, just because he can...
21:51.21XhoHez - OUR BOOLETS WILL PIERCE DER BRAINS LIKE BUTTA
21:51.24DrodoEmpire_Xho: http://i.imgur.com/16Np16F.gif
21:52.10HachimanHm, Sylit battlesuits, I wonder
21:52.15HachimanFuck Imp's gone
21:52.16DrodoEmpire_Could be cool
21:52.35DrodoEmpire_Power armour's pretty practical stuff- the Drodo use mechanical modifications to their armour if not full suits
21:53.03GhelawayGroxkiller98: Drodo did say that these mechs could have their uses. Just that scouting is absolutely not one of them.
21:53.08Groxkiller98I tried that for my Mithadorn. Failed miserable with it.
21:53.15DrodoEmpire_More like Stormtrooper armour but with added leg enhancements especially for increased mobility (sprinting, high-jump, etc.) and load-bearing
21:53.31DrodoEmpire_Ghelaway: *Limited* use, mind you
21:53.53DrodoEmpire_Granted Drodo Colonial militias get a uniform and a steel helmet <.<
21:55.06Quark8Hm. I'm not sure if I should play Stellaris or EUIV now.
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21:55.21HachimanStellaris IV
21:55.29DrodoEmpire_hur
21:55.35OluapPlayerHow old is that guy? He acts like a 14 year old
21:55.38DrodoEmpire_Make the Ming tentacle of knowledge
21:55.42DrodoEmpire_Probably 14
21:55.47DrodoEmpire_Westernise
21:55.49MonetThere are very few places a mech that big could be tactically viable and not be a massive target
21:55.50DrodoEmpire_COnquer the world
21:55.53OluapPlayermy BIG and AWESOME mech
21:55.54DrodoEmpire_Yeah
21:56.16MonetI've known 11-year-olds say stuff like that.
21:56.23DrodoEmpire_^
21:56.28HachimanI mean, fuck, I've said shit like that when I was younger
21:56.35HachimanAnd I look back and think how retarded I was
21:56.54DrodoEmpire_Bad- or young- writers- replace good writing with "muh scale"
21:56.59Quark8Well, considering that I'm around 14, give or take a few years, I feel slightly mature.
21:57.02DrodoEmpire_*writers replace
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21:57.23Groxkiller98I crashed. :|
21:57.24DrodoEmpire_Yeah its definitely not a universal Quark
21:57.49DrodoEmpire_I'm sixteen now, which made me like thirteen when I joined
21:58.03Quark8I joined the wiki underage :P.
21:58.03DrodoEmpire_I was an idiot until like mid 2014, maybe longer
21:58.08DrodoEmpire_<.<
21:58.11OluapPlayerur an idiot now lmao
21:58.14DrodoEmpire_>:
21:58.20TechnobliteratorI think everyone went through that phase
21:58.24DrodoEmpire_^
21:58.29Technobliteratorof "I need the biggest thing eveeeeer"
21:58.41OluapPlayeryou included
21:58.46Hachimanmuh time gods
21:58.46TechnobliteratorOf course
21:58.46Quark8Looking back at my earliest fiction, it was complete and absolute s***.
21:58.48Hachimanmuh kanye west
21:58.50TechnobliteratorI was the textbook example
21:58.51OluapPlayeroriginal talkar haw
21:58.57OluapPlayertaldar even
21:59.07OluapPlayerGranted I came back to the wiki after the Taldar got revised
21:59.14TechnobliteratorI don't know anyone but Ghelae and Random who really avoided that phase
21:59.20OluapPlayerI didn't experience their original version
21:59.25TechnobliteratorMeanwhile, Mush made it his entire "career"
21:59.29Hachimanhur
21:59.30DrodoEmpire_ayyyyy lmao
21:59.31OluapPlayerkek
21:59.45HachimanI wonder if he'll ever come back
21:59.57The_RandomnessI remember calling people out on that lol
21:59.58Monet<PROTECTED>
22:00.01HachimanOr is he just like actually permabanned
22:00.02OluapPlayerI am Mush
22:00.03GhelawayHe still edits, occasionally. Not logged in.
22:00.05OluapPlayerstripping angels and shit
22:00.12Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Zhulvuran planet of dead ayy lmaos
22:00.24Hachimanwat is dis shi      dead space
22:00.38XhoPretty much
22:00.50DrodoEmpire_ey laymo
22:00.51Quark8Who was Mush?
22:01.03MonetThe Zhul beacon on Earth could qualify as the Marker.
22:01.06OluapPlayerAn user infamous for his narcissism
22:01.06DrodoEmpire_Controversial user a while back
22:01.09HachimanMush was the mushiest mush who ever did mush
22:01.20DrodoEmpire_I was just joining when that drama was going on I think
22:01.22XhoHe was basically me but twice the dick
22:01.35HachimanYeah
22:01.48XhoMaybe triple actually I'm not that much of a dick now
22:02.27The_RandomnessI was a little shit until a few years ago, and it was only this year that I stopped being a pleb
22:02.56OluapPlayerLeaving the wiki doesn't count as stopping being a pleb
22:03.06The_Randomness:P
22:03.17MonetXho: You were aggressive, Mush was just arrogant
22:05.53Wormy_I used to be *more* sensible when I was younger here
22:06.08DrodoEmpire_Really? XD
22:06.26Wormy_I used to be the big sensible admin who never joked and took neutral positions and so on
22:06.38Wormy_And then I discovered BEER
22:06.45OluapPlayerYou still are tho
22:07.31Wormy_Good, I've felt as though I'd lost it
22:07.39XhoHm
22:07.40Quark|StellarisWormy_: I can't be punished for joining the wiki underage, right?
22:07.50Wormy_No
22:07.57Quark|StellarisPhew.
22:08.03XhoAnyone here got any suggestions for how a star's life cycle could be prolonged well beyond its natural span
22:08.20Quark|StellarisTechnology that uses Handwavium.
22:08.23Wormy_You can try removing it's mass
22:08.38XhoIf there's no clear cut explanation I'll just owe it to Zhulultu ultra technology
22:08.44OluapPlayerMy internet is exceptionally shitty today
22:08.53OluapPlayerTaking ages to load a minute long video
22:09.21MonetYeah. The plasma on a star's surface will never get used for fusion, so it can be extracted, which relieves pressure on the core.
22:09.36TechnobliteratorHe was liked for a brief period, then he acted like an asshat on IRC
22:09.39Wormy_You could remove mass by squeezing the star with superconducting magnets or grazing it with a powerful laser.  Or use wormhole technology
22:09.43Technobliteratorand so is no longer popular
22:09.59XhoI'm getting the more artistic concept of the star actually being black in colour but how that would work I don't know
22:10.17OluapPlayerUltraterrestrial dongery
22:10.23XhoAnd this being some kind of 'immortalised energy source' the Zhulultu created in the Tuuros Galaxy
22:10.29Wormy_That'd be impossible as far as my knowledge goes
22:10.46Monetif a star is black, it's not generating any heat.
22:10.47OluapPlayerPump it with demonic energy
22:10.48OluapPlayerdun
22:11.01Xhoi broke the wiki
22:11.20XhoMight not actually be a star of course
22:11.23Wormy_Stars generally follow the blackbody curve so even stars trhat emit mostly in ultraviolet radiation will emit enough in the visual spectrum as well to be white or bluish
22:11.43XhoMight be a self-sustaining megaconstruct instead that looks like a star but just black
22:11.57HachimanYou know
22:12.02HachimanYou could just have it be a black hole
22:12.04Wormy_Hm, my hyperspaces are invisible come to think of it
22:12.07HachimanBlack holes can function as stars
22:12.11XhoAlthough it would need to project the necessary energy to sustain a planet
22:12.14Wormy_*hyperspace stars
22:12.23Wormy_...  Hachi is right
22:12.29XhoBlack holes don't emit light from what I gather
22:12.31XhoOr do they
22:12.47Wormy_Sometimes overcomplicating things misses the answer
22:12.53OluapPlayerIf it's black you're not gonna get light from it to begin with
22:13.08XhoWell it's black in colour but still gives off light because fuck physics
22:13.28OluapPlayerMore like fuck your idea, it doesn't work hur
22:13.34Wormy_Well, they do.  The light just can't escape
22:13.37HachimanYeah
22:13.45HachimanBut planets still benefit from that light
22:13.57XhoThat would have to be intense light though
22:14.18OluapPlayerGravity wise a planet can safely orbit a black hole as long as it's not too close
22:14.22HachimanYeah
22:14.34Wormy_The light planets would receive by orbiting black holes would come from the accretion disc and lensing of light from behind
22:14.44HachimanThat's it, the accretion disc
22:14.49HachimanThat's what I was looking for
22:14.57HachimanIt works in place of a star
22:15.06Xho>tfw The Wound is actually a colossal black hole
22:15.25OluapPlayerUniverse - not our problem just tuuros's
22:15.31Wormy_In a weird way though, black holes can emit radiation by capturing one of two virtual particles in a pair and letting the other escape
22:15.39XhoIt still needs some kind of alien style engineering to it though otherwise it's not mysterious enough
22:15.48Wormy_not enough to see though
22:16.07OluapPlayerThere can be engineering around the black hole, but not in the black hole itself
22:16.28XhoHm
22:16.50Wormy_Maybe the megastructure somehow does absorb all the radiation emitted by the star, but uses something like metric shields of hyperspace to dump it
22:17.04Wormy_*metric shields or
22:17.30Xhosuper huge megaconstruct orbiting black hole
22:18.45Wormy_Sounds like just the thing  Zhulultu wuld build
22:19.02XhoWell the Zhulultu would build much bigger really
22:19.16OluapPlayerYou really have no idea of what you're talking about hur
22:19.38HachimanWhat if the Zhulultu created miniature black holes in orbit of the black hole their world orbits
22:19.43HachimanFor some reason
22:19.57Xho"NOT BLACK ENOUGH" - Zhuleshxi
22:19.59MonetCould be cool for a computer.
22:20.02HachimanYeah
22:20.05OluapPlayer"santorakh made us do it"
22:21.16XhoI would have imagined that the Zhulultu would have engineered an entire galaxy into a power source
22:21.51MonetTo be anything less than a Type III would be a disservice.
22:22.02HachimanDon't they have stuff around the supermassive black hole at their galactic core
22:22.07XhoThey do
22:22.11XhoOr did
22:23.25XhoThey did have the ol' Scourge Devices as well
22:23.59Wormy_I suspect harnessing an entire galaxy would be off the table since hyperspace exists
22:24.30Hachimaninb4 Zhulultu have somehow managed to put black holes in hyperspace
22:24.32HachimanOr something
22:24.39XhoZhulesxhi - fuck you all
22:24.48OluapPlayerUniverse - ded
22:24.50Wormy_Certainly possible, all the physics of realspace exist in that layer too
22:24.56HachimanAnd have hypercomputers in hyperspace built around them
22:25.04Wormy_I already have hyperspace stars
22:25.06XhoHyperspatial Black Hole
22:25.10Wormy_Which I'm going to bring back
22:25.27Xhocould work
22:25.58Wormy_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3AWormulon/Recent_works#Future.3B_uncertain
22:26.26Wormy_that's my fiction dump until I've caught up
22:26.42XhoBut I do want to create some kind of self-perpetuating energy source that's of enough advancement to be considered Ultraterrestrial
22:26.58XhoTo replace stars
22:27.34XhoBecause I have an idea for it to be used as goldmines for Schism races because of their resource crisis
22:28.48Quark8Ooh interesting.
22:28.56Wormy_Well, low-mass and degenerate stars are good for that role, since they are self-sustaining for long time periods
22:29.36Wormy_But it makes me think these races uses wormholehole technology to balance the age of the star by taking away and adding mass
22:29.48Wormy_(using a laptop not used to typing on it)
22:30.45Quark8bbl
22:32.53MonetXho: Maybe they've found a way to cluster hypermatter in realspace?
22:33.38XhoI'm just looking at Orion's Arm for ideaas
22:33.40Xhoideas
22:34.04OluapPlayer2muchscience4me
22:34.38XhoOluapPlayer:  [10:19] <@OluapPlayer> You really have no idea of what you're talking about hur            [10:33] <@OluapPlayer> 2muchscience4me              U DUN GOOF'D
22:34.45Wormy_DrodoEmpire http://i.imgur.com/Jg15Hid.jpg
22:34.50OluapPlayerI never said I knew tho
22:35.15XhoAngelnets are a good idea for Zhulultu tech
22:35.35XhoAlthough Angelnet is probably too benevolent a term for what they did
22:35.38HachimanOoh, perhaps the Zhulultu made mechs that are 10m - 70m tall and use them for scouting because they're big and flashy
22:35.44OluapPlayerDemonnet
22:36.02XhoKrath - MUST          BROWSE
22:36.04HachimanDemonet
22:36.10XhoDemopan
22:36.16OluapPlayerSTOUT SHAKO
22:36.21Wormy_"Demons to some.  Angels to others" Pinhead
22:36.55Wormy_Wouldn't surprise me if these guys see Xhodocto as angels
22:36.56XhoMightbeademonet
22:37.50OluapPlayerYou had the quark life call them Angel Plasma so it'd not be the first time
22:38.29XhoKrath - cosmospawn represent
22:39.45XhoWormy_: Would Godstars work
22:40.19Wormy_Like a big cloudy AI thing around the star?
22:40.31Wormy_Don't see why not
22:41.12XhoWell I'm reading it's an archailect in the form of a star
22:41.31Wormy_Ooh that's a new article to me
22:42.00Xhohttp://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/462d9a409a10b I dunno it looks a star to me
22:42.20XhoAs for the Zhulultu they could either designed things of that complexity or enslaved them
22:42.21XhoOr both
22:42.50Wormy_Looks like in OA, they are stars that have been uplifted into beings
22:43.16Wormy_I wouldn't know how that is done, but SporeWikiverse tech is magical enough to allow for it
22:44.00XhoWell, Zhulultu technology enslaving those things could work
22:44.24HachimanThey could work as Zhulultu super-AI
22:44.39XhoZhulultu - >tfw we're actually smarter than the super-AI
22:45.19OluapPlayerI doubt you want your AIs to be smarter than you
22:45.23Wormy_OA has articles on plasma computing, so I presume the star's inner processes have been somehow arranged into plasma processing
22:45.29OluapPlayerThat's like the reason Mass Effect happened
22:45.45HachimanSYNTHETICS AND ORGANICS CANNOT LIVE IN PEACE
22:45.51Hachimanexcept quarians and geth
22:46.05Cyrannian*insert tali suicide*
22:46.05OluapPlayerBut they couldn't live in peace for 90% of their screentime
22:46.16OluapPlayer>not saving both
22:46.19OluapPlayerdunt b a pleb
22:46.21Wormy_In real life organics and synths will both keep looking at porn of the opposite
22:47.07Wormy_Here's their article on plasma processing http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/506308cd7f8c1
22:47.18HachimanI mean, we're already sleeping with dumb AI synthetics
22:47.23Wormy_Okay so it uses monopole matter, that might be strong enough to survive in the star
22:48.35XhoGonna go to sleep now
22:48.40Wormy_Also, I'm sure Google Now has a crush on me
22:49.40OluapPlayermore like a crush on everyone who speaks to it
22:49.43OluapPlayerur waifu is a slut
22:53.30Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/6avKqsu.jpg
22:56.04Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/IY2Z6ov.jpg
22:57.14Wormy_God help us all http://i.imgur.com/gu07dW0.jpg
22:57.23DrodoEmpire_>.<
22:57.43DrodoEmpire_What an intellectual warrior <.<
22:57.58OluapPlayerbaaa
22:58.10MonetThat man of intelligence and wisdom just insulted every military personnel on Earth.
22:59.00DrodoEmpire_^
22:59.20OluapPlayerHe can deflect gunshots with his fedora aura
22:59.34MonetHe's wearing a flatcap.
22:59.39MonetBut also a turtleneck.
22:59.50Wormy_What gets me is that he doesn't concern himself with the opinion of sheep to someone who just said "no thanks"
22:59.55MonetHe can deflect bullets with his turtleneck aura.
23:01.01HachimanOh it's fine to insult military personnel, they're military and they kill people; war is bad and if you're a soldier, you deserve nothing but shit because you're just a murderer with a permit
23:01.02OluapPlayerImmune to bullets and girlfriends
23:03.23CyrannianBit rude to sheep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nioBvJxGU9M
23:03.33Wormy_we could all just sit down ad vape http://i.imgur.com/0y22hRZ.jpg
23:04.23HachimanI should note that I'm just joking btw
23:04.24DrodoEmpire_Hachiman: hyperedge
23:04.26DrodoEmpire_<.<
23:04.36HachimanThing is, there are people who talk like that
23:04.53HachimanMostly far-lefties
23:04.57OluapPlayerYeah but their opinions don't matter
23:05.00HachimanAnd Tumblrists
23:05.02DrodoEmpire_^
23:05.25Wormy_Or just edgy hipsters
23:07.01Monet"wa
23:07.15Monet"killing is bad, m'kay"
23:07.47Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/jiFSrnE.jpg
23:08.11MonetIt sickens me when people moan that military personnel are little more than murderers with permits.
23:08.26DrodoEmpire_^
23:08.42DrodoEmpire_My history teacher last year came dangerously close to saying that *multiple times*
23:09.24DrodoEmpire_I mean, he called Billy Bishop- our best fighter ace- a murderer
23:09.30DrodoEmpire_Which pissed me off a bit
23:09.33DrodoEmpire_He also said Canada isn't a real country
23:09.38Wormy_Can someone explain this one to me?  http://i.imgur.com/WzXBojC.jpg
23:09.51OluapPlayer"next time when war is declared you go and tell the enemy army how triggered you are"
23:10.01Wormy_Sounds like a "history" teacher
23:10.23DrodoEmpire_Wormy_ I think the joke is that that guy was so eager to say something's "cringey"
23:10.28DrodoEmpire_Oluap: hur
23:10.30Technobliteratorit's not the fault of the military personnel
23:10.36TechnobliteratorIt's the fault of people who start pointless wars
23:10.45DrodoEmpire_And yeah I want to say my history teacher's an asswipe
23:10.47DrodoEmpire_And he is
23:10.49Wormy_Oh right, and then dug their own cringe pit
23:10.54DrodoEmpire_But he's an interesting asswipe
23:11.10DrodoEmpire_And he's, like, he's clearly smart, and has a dark sense of humour I enjoy
23:11.23DrodoEmpire_But some of the shit he says in class >.<
23:11.27HachimanPeople who comment "cringe" on stuff that isn't cringey are cringe
23:11.31DrodoEmpire_^
23:11.43OluapPlayerur cringy tho
23:11.57DrodoEmpire_CRINGIEST IRC COMMENT ON YOUTUBE
23:11.59MonetWhenever anti-war advocates talk about murder militaries they're generally talking about 8-10% of the military.
23:12.02Hachimantell u wats cringeworthy         women rights
23:12.12OluapPlayerOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
23:12.27OluapPlayerCRINGIEST IRC COMMENT ON YOUTUBE [GONE SEXUAL]
23:12.31OluapPlayerneeds more clickbait
23:12.33DrodoEmpire_^
23:12.47HachimanI also think it would be right to bring up the fact that many soldiers go on to become anti-war advocates
23:12.48Technobliterator._.
23:13.09MonetHachiman: They have reason.
23:13.13DrodoEmpire_CRINGIEST IRC COMMENT ON YOUTUBE [GONE SEXUAL] pewdiepie #DramaAlert
23:13.18DrodoEmpire_Fixed for more clickbait
23:13.24OluapPlayerkek
23:14.02MonetBut to assume everyone in the military is/was a killer is insultingly disrespectful to support personnel.
23:14.14MonetWho make up the vast majority of military staff.
23:14.20HachimanAye
23:14.22DrodoEmpire_Its insultingly disrespectful to the people who *have* killed
23:14.32DrodoEmpire_COnsidering the sheer amount of guilt the vast majority of them feel afterwards
23:14.35OluapPlayerI doubt many soldiers actually enjoy killing anyway
23:14.41HachimanYeah
23:14.52OluapPlayerIf you enjoy killing you're sent to a madhouse or a prison, not the army
23:15.17OluapPlayerwow this is literally Koluap's backstory
23:15.25HachimanI know that most people who enjoy war aren't technically considered entirely clinically sane or rational
23:15.32DrodoEmpire_It doesn't help that modern training makes shooting to kill a *reflex*, to the point many soldiers don't even truly *think* before they identify the threat, raise their rifle, and shoot
23:15.40MonetYou said Koluap went mad suffering brain damage
23:15.49HachimanIt's better to not think of the person you're killing as another person
23:15.59OluapPlayerYeah then he got sent to a madhouse, then got drafted into war
23:16.04OluapPlayerAnd got a colossal kill count
23:16.26MonetKoluap could have suffered some kind of trauma-related psychosis; Colonel Kurze from Heart of Darkness is a textbook example.
23:16.26TechnobliteratorExcept of course it's the life of another person you're ending ._.
23:16.41HachimanWell of course
23:16.52DrodoEmpire_Yeah its horrid stuff
23:16.55HachimanBut that makes it more difficult for you to do your job so that is why you are conditioned not to think that way
23:17.09OluapPlayer>Twelve billion, eight hundred and seven million, nine hundred and eighty seven thousand, six hundred and thirty two
23:17.15OluapPlayerThat'd probably trigger a couple of people
23:17.18Hachimanhur
23:17.19DrodoEmpire_Hm?
23:17.29OluapPlayerKoluap's kill count
23:17.32HachimanWait what
23:17.43MonetKurze, iirc, went AWOL in the jungle, and when he was found again he had assumed the position of a tribal king.
23:17.43HachimanHow did he get over 12 billion kills
23:17.44DrodoEmpire_Oh wow
23:17.47TechnobliteratorI have no issue with the military personnel. What they're doing is extremely brave throwing their lives on the line like that, and that goes for both sides. So, if you end the life of another military personnel, then as sad as it is for their family, they knew what they were getting into
23:18.00OluapPlayerErnai, Marinox and Corruptus Demons
23:18.01HachimanUnless they're a conscript
23:18.06DrodoEmpire_Unfortunately that is pretty well true
23:18.07OluapPlayerMind you he was nearly 1000 years old
23:18.08TechnobliteratorThe only time I take issue is when they kill civilians, and even then it's probably not their fault
23:18.14HachimanIn which case they didn't ask for this and had no chance or opportunity to leave
23:18.18Technobliteratorit's probably just them taking orders from higher up
23:18.30MonetTechnobliterator: Fortunately the UN agrees with you.
23:18.36OluapPlayerThat probably also counts kills via spaceship
23:18.42HachimanAh I was gonna say
23:19.00MonetSometimes it's orders form higher up, sometimes it's panic, sometimes it's crossfire.
23:19.06Technobliteratormhm
23:19.24HachimanThat shotgun he used would probably fetch for a high price if put on the market for how many lives it ended, including his own
23:19.30MonetIn a hotzone there's very little time to work out whose an ally and whose an enemy.
23:19.31OluapPlayerI'd be willing to say they were all kills on foot but I can claim part of it was spaceship-made if it bothers people
23:19.32TechnobliteratorLots of police brutality is also probably caused by panic
23:20.08HachimanTo be fair, he wasn't on his own when he was killing people
23:20.12Wormy_Apparently this is a very famous car in Oregon and there are lots of pics of it.  The owners probably don't even know http://i.imgur.com/lS3F7d0.jpg http://i.imgur.com/zNb7r1R.jpg
23:20.19HachimanExcept for maybe a couple of times
23:20.21OluapPlayerHis shotgun is probably under Jerkon's possession today
23:20.37OluapPlayerThough he'd not use it since Jerkon prefers assault rifles
23:21.22MonetOne of the things that caused problems in fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan is any local could be a Taliban or Al Qaeda insurgent.
23:22.11MonetIt was impossible to tell as the terrorists could have engaged while in civilian clothing.
23:22.30Technobliteratoryeah
23:22.38OluapPlayerI'd say "imagine if Koluap was evil" but I don't imagine he would survive as long as he did if he weren't a good guy
23:23.01TechnobliteratorNeither of those wars should've happened, but that's still not the fault of the soldiers
23:23.03Technobliteratorthey didn't start it
23:23.50Monetthere's a bit more to Iraq and Afghanistan than oil but maybe that's better discussed in Offtopic
23:24.12HachimanI mean, I don't see many reasons for Koluap to go evil
23:24.30OluapPlayerGet lost in his bloodlust
23:24.36OluapPlayerOr just be under evil orders
23:24.59TechnobliteratorIt's funny to think of Koluap as such a murderer
23:25.01Technobliteratorbecause like
23:25.03Technobliteratorhe was such a cool guy
23:25.04OluapPlayerWhich was the case back when he started
23:25.15MonetHe was cool, but he was also unhinged.
23:25.26OluapPlayerHe saw himself as a murderer and that's one reason he blew his own head off
23:25.43MonetThen again I recall Jerkon was rather nonchalant suggesting genocide on the Draconizane.
23:25.46HachimanRealistically I can imagine the people who sent him into war doing so because they didn't expect him to live long
23:26.02OluapPlayerThat's Dracogonarious behavior not limited to Jerkon
23:26.04HachimanAnd then he turns out to have a knack for surviving absurd shit
23:26.15MonetJerkon I'd say was definitely suffering a from of war weariness or PTSD.
23:26.26MonetKoluap I mean
23:26.35OluapPlayerKoluap's case was PTSD yeah
23:27.00OluapPlayerDracogonarious are very cold regarding things they disapprove of
23:27.06OluapPlayerwhich sometimes include other people
23:27.08Monet"How many more must I kill before I can finally rest?"
23:27.43Hachiman"Man fuck Tyraz, bet he'll hate it if I do this"
23:28.00OluapPlayerTyraz - shit
23:28.16MonetThis is a good deal why I initially thought Koluap might have turned to booze in his final days.
23:28.30HachimanI forgot that Tyraz is actually dead by the time Koluap an hero's
23:28.31OluapPlayerHe always had a thing for alcohol
23:28.44OluapPlayerFor nearly 15 years yes
23:29.00MonetIt's not uncommon for veterans to turn to drink to chase away the nightmares.
23:29.20HachimanTyraz' Ghost - yo ur still a lil bitch             Koluap - shup fag
23:29.30OluapPlayerThis talk is distracting me from getting dinner
23:29.30OluapPlayerbrb
23:29.36Hachimanhope u starv
23:30.19MonetIn fact before proper forms of therapy were devleoped, the most common thing that happened when soldiers with PTSD returned home was they'd descend into a self-destructive spiral of alcohol, potentially crowned with attempts at suicide.
23:30.40HachimanFunny that they rarely, if ever, turned to morphine after the Vietnam War though
23:31.25DrodoEmpire_This is, as Trump would put it, "Sad!"
23:31.26DrodoEmpire_Like
23:31.30DrodoEmpire_Really, really depressing
23:31.31HachimanIf I recall, it was either morphine or something else that was given to US soldiers during the Vietnam conflict to relieve and offset stress
23:31.34DrodoEmpire_Change of subject?
23:32.21HachimanI was hoping Imp would still be around but I kinda need naming suggestions for the Sylit equivalent of Marines
23:32.36DrodoEmpire_Hmm
23:32.44HachimanLike, specialist orbit-to-ground soldiers rather than standard army
23:32.55DrodoEmpire_Right
23:33.11DrodoEmpire_"Jumpy-landy people"
23:33.17Hachiman10/10
23:33.25DrodoEmpire_<.<
23:33.48Monet"ground-strikers" perhaps?
23:33.54OluapPlayerOk here
23:34.25OluapPlayer"Falco Punchers"
23:34.29HachimanBrilliant
23:34.47HachimanI was more looking for something fire-oriented to fit in with the rest of the theme
23:34.56HachimanDoesn't have to be but I like to be smart and consistent hur
23:35.11HachimanI'd use Firebrands but I already reserved that for something else
23:36.30DrodoEmpire_Ah
23:36.39MonetTrickyone
23:36.42MonetStarfallers?
23:37.10DrodoEmpire_"trickyone" is a dumb name Monet
23:37.12DrodoEmpire_Jesus christ
23:37.15DrodoEmpire_>.>
23:38.15OluapPlayerlel
23:40.19MonetJesus Christ is a bit of a strange name for these marines as well.
23:40.35Hachimanhur
23:40.50OluapPlayer#roasted
23:44.50DrodoEmpire_>':
23:50.09DrodoEmpire_On the extreem keem streem <.<
23:50.22DrodoEmpire_Need to study for my next Klaxon post
23:50.38OluapPlayerstudying for the next shitpost
23:50.39OluapPlayershame on u
23:50.57DrodoEmpire_;-;
23:54.04MonetThese are funny.
23:54.35MonetNot sure if Rambert is digging himself a hole by responding to them.
23:54.48DrodoEmpire_Maaybe
23:55.08OluapPlayeri for one welcome our new bird overlords
23:56.03MonetThe Hitler card may have been a stretch but honestly you don't get very far in politics if you're going to cry foul over a bit of insulting tabloid journalism.
23:57.24OluapPlayerThe Hitler card was full retard
23:57.27OluapPlayerLoron-level retard
23:57.38DrodoEmpire_Indeed <.<
23:58.08OluapPlayerThat guy would do well in 21st century Earth
23:58.41HachimanI think The Klaxon is unrealistic; surely tabloid journalism would be much worse than it is now hur
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23:59.09MonetPolitical discourse may not involve killing peeps (barring calling hits on rivals) but the environment is just as legit a warzone as any battlefield.
23:59.32OluapPlayerexplode all the 'umies
23:59.59DrodoEmpire_Hi

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