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00:39.28DrodoEmpireHi
00:39.39Charles_MurrayHey
00:42.55Spluff5High
01:03.23Wormy_DrodoEmpire:  Like my doggyshield?  http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/2c/Bodyshield.png/revision/latest?cb=20160726010300
01:04.07Wormy_Monet_2 too
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01:05.04Wormy_It worked for me that time
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10:40.11Wormy_hi
10:43.01MonetHi
10:43.27Monethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSV5Z_fjqbc I am...wow
10:43.37MonetThis thing is spacious
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11:18.37NeonPandahi all
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11:26.23MonetHello.
11:28.47Monethttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36890563 Solar Impulse has completed its round-the-world trip
11:31.08Charles_MurrayHey
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13:25.27NeonPandaMonet: it's an odd feeling when you can just enslave your own people in Stellaris and they don't mind
13:45.02MonetPlaying collectivist?
13:48.06NeonPandamhm
13:48.20NeonPandacollectivist/fan materialist
13:48.58NeonPandamy friend on the other hand who is fan spiritualist/collectivist gets at +30% happiness bonus in enslaved pops... which is just odd when you really think about it
13:50.19MonetI suppose the happiness comes from having purpose.
13:50.54MonetThey're working for nothing but maybe they're conditioned to see working in servitude as the purest form of work, undiluted by self-interest.
13:54.32NeonPandasomething like that, still weird from an outside perspective
13:54.55NeonPandalike, I can rationalise how the Aztecs believed what they did, doesn't make the idea of competing for the honour of having your heart cut out any more appealing :P
13:59.35MonetTrue.
14:00.26Wormy_One can understand why medieval peoples tried and punished animals, including moths in court, but it doesn't make it any less strange in an age far removed from from extrovert belief in sympathetic magic.
15:17.51Charles_BotTest
15:19.39MonetLoud and clear
15:51.49NeonPandainternet derped, am I still connected?
15:53.06MonetYes
15:54.02NeonPandasweet
15:54.24NeonPandaI've been watching a lot of Rimworld, and yeah I've prettymuch figured why people like Dwarf Fortress so much
15:56.23NeonPandakinda reminds me of the early setup stages of Minecraft, only it keeps going on rather than "well I have food and a secure house, I basically win"
16:00.11MonetYeah.
16:00.33MonetAlthough as I understand it, grasping DF is much less of a cliff-hike.
16:04.41NeonPandafunnily enough Minecraft never used to be hard to get ahold of, it was only when they started adding way too much content that it got weird
16:05.03NeonPandalike before the Adventure Update it was just a good, simple fun game
16:09.10Charles_BotHnnng
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16:09.24Charles_BotI want to take a speechwriting class next year
16:09.35NeonPandaas far as the DF - Rimworld comparison goes, I haven't actually seen much of DF being played, so I can't really give a good comparison
16:09.42Charles_BotAfter having seen Michelle Obama's speech last night
16:09.51Charles_BotThat thing was magical
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16:10.19MonetHallo
16:10.20HachimanHi
16:10.56NeonPandahi
16:12.45MonetCahrles_Bot: A mix of good writing and charisma.
16:31.47Wormy_Monet, NeonPanda:  So I got creative in FO4 and started using body shields http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/2c/Bodyshield.png/revision/latest?cb=20160726010300
16:31.58Wormy_Works best if going through narrow entrances
16:32.48NeonPandapicture isn't quite clear, did you just shove Preston in front of a super mutant?
16:33.45MonetThat's a dog being held
16:34.07Wormy_Preston isn't there, but that's Strong who is pretty useless and falls.  I'm behind the dog, carrying it in front with a rifle, and using VATs to take the shot from a different angle
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16:35.09The_RandomnessHello
16:35.22Wormy_hi
16:36.15Wormy_I got the idea after battling Super Mutants, one died standing up so I used it to hide behind.
16:49.20Wormy_Its not a very good example of it, but I guess it would fit the definition of emergent gameplay Monet
16:49.40MonetIts improvisational.
16:53.39Wormy_My three main companions have been Strong, Cait and Codsworth.  Codsworth is by the far the strongest out of those but he lacks the ability to pick locks
16:54.14Wormy_Cait's responses the funniest
16:54.32Wormy_g2g
17:06.58NeonPandamy preferred companion is no companion, I always max affinity with Cait because it's Cait, but either I'm power armoured up and doing all the work, or I'm stealthing up and doing all the work
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17:10.42MonetHallo
17:11.21DrodoEmpireHi
17:11.51DrodoEmpireJust got done with a Traffic Control course, so I'm pretty happy about that :D
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17:12.09MonetHi
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17:19.00ImperiosTHEY FUCKING FIXED THE INTERNET ALREADY
17:19.02ImperiosYES
17:19.24DrodoEmpireWho is 'they'?
17:19.28DrodoEmpireWhat needed fixing?
17:21.34ImperiosDrodoEmpire: Sorry, you are a bit out of the loop here
17:21.35ImperiosBasically
17:22.04ImperiosThere was a big emergency in my house that caused all Internet and television to be cut off for several days
17:22.09ImperiosI expected it to last like a week or more
17:22.12DrodoEmpireAhh
17:22.20DrodoEmpireHarrowing. <.<
17:23.16DrodoEmpireIn all seriousness I am glad to hear
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17:40.14Quark8Hello.
17:50.18Hachimanhttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/13645165_882391128560005_9001556990515921835_n.jpg?oh=0abc40bdff19392c97f1d30488d9d0b7&oe=581CE090 Daily dose of cancer
17:51.01Wormy_awayat lea\st it has fruit in it
17:51.05HachimanImperios ImpyDroid2 : I'll get around to reading Sanctuarium in a bit
17:51.12HachimanOr how it was called
17:51.21HachimanI dunno, I was tired when you linked it
17:51.54ImperiosSanctuarium yes
17:52.17ImperiosHachiman: What does this pictur even mean
17:52.18ImperiosI am confused
17:52.28HachimanLactose intolerant
17:54.09HachimanLike that time that someone on Twitter spelled "arthritis" as "Arthur write this"
17:55.33Monet*shakes fist* Damn you autocorrect!!!!
17:55.36Wormy_awayUh huh duh (I never get things like that)
17:56.11ImperiosHachiman: Yes I know that feel
17:56.13ImperiosAutocorrect
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18:01.26Quark8Hello DrodoEmpire.
18:01.32DrodoEmpireHi
18:16.25ImperiosGod I hate this fucking Tatar girl
18:23.06Monet<PROTECTED>
18:26.52ImperiosWe used to date for a short while, first she basically showered me with compliments, then left, but continues bugging me every now and then
18:27.05ImperiosOften when she's sad or stuff
18:27.14ImperiosShe's also a bit dense
18:27.40ImperiosI know I am beginning to sound like Hachi hur
18:32.13Monet<PROTECTED>
18:33.14HachimanI do understand where he's coming from
18:35.29MonetWell, maybe emphasis on beginning.
18:54.57Wormy_awayThere used to be this psycho girl in my college who would stalk young men she liked even out of college, and she would poke or punch you or grab your hair.  She poked me in the eye in a snow fight once by trying to smother my face in snow
18:55.30Wormy_awayEven I, a bit lonely back then wanted to be as far away from her as possible
19:09.25Charles_BotImperios: No idea why, but I got along really well with the Russian exchange students at my school
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19:29.36XhoWHAT'S GOOD NYUGGAH
19:31.14MonetI do not fear you!
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19:32.27XhoSo now Microsoft is literally blocking your screen for a Windows 10 update
19:32.31XhoI SWEAR TO LUCIFER
19:32.34MonetHo
19:32.35Xhoalso ups
19:32.39OluapPlayerho
19:32.55OluapPlayerI wouldn't know            since i already upgraded
19:33.03XhoAAAA
19:33.31MonetI caved in as well
19:33.37HachimanI'm not
19:33.45HachimanWindows 7 4lyfe
19:33.46OluapPlayerNo reason not to as far as I'm concerned
19:36.21XhoI'm apprehensive as to how compatible my stuff would be with Windows 10
19:37.54OluapPlayerDepends of what you use
19:37.54MonetMy stuff transferred fairly well
19:38.27OluapPlayerI've not had any compatibility issues but granted, my PC is mostly just Steam games
19:38.28Xhospore n shit
19:38.30MonetThough I made sure to update my graphics drivers
19:38.34OluapPlayerSpore works fine
19:38.57XhoI dunno I'm intending to get a new desktop next year so I might just wait until then
19:39.27MonetIt will no longer be free by then
19:39.55Xho>new desktop
19:40.02Xhocourse it wouldn't be doi
19:40.21XhoI dunno how much I'm looking to spend but basically the most hi spec thing out there because dicks must be waved
19:40.42XhoAlso I like hi-res graphics and shit
19:40.51OluapPlayerUnless you intend to replace your hard drive you've no reason to pay later for something that's free now
19:41.04MonetI mean Windows 10 stops being free
19:41.20XhoWell like I said getting a new desktop would entail spending money anyway
19:41.38XhoMight as well wait until then rather than upgrade now
19:43.22XhoI need to save money anyway
19:43.25XhoFor something I dunno
19:43.58XhoChristmas presents mostly
19:44.09XhoI hate giving presents but I like receiving presents
19:44.20OluapPlayereveryone ever
19:44.24OluapPlayerStill
19:44.30OluapPlayerChristmas is in 6 months thp
19:44.32OluapPlayertho
19:44.50XhoIt goes mad in the UK by October really
19:45.09XhoMy mum's birthday is in August as well and that's always an expensive venture
19:45.14Xho#mothers
19:45.43XhoThe last time I went out birthday shopping, I bought myself a mug with the handle shaped and coloured like a knuckle duster
19:46.04Xhohttp://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0534/9277/products/knuckle-duster-mug-white-gold.png?v=1444735882 This one
19:46.07XhoFucking worth it
19:46.13Wormy_away<PROTECTED>
19:46.33MonetMy mother is like me - when asked 'what do you want' we draw blanks
19:46.37XhoI get the same thing
19:46.51XhoBeing on the 21st, most of my friends are with their families for Christmas by then
19:46.57Wormy_awayYeah
19:46.59XhoSo I'm forced to spend it alone nine times out of ten
19:47.15OluapPlayeru got us
19:47.16OluapPlayerhssss
19:47.18Xhoaye
19:47.25XhoFuck real life friends lol
19:47.55XhoTruth is I don't really have any at this point because work life has put me into a stagnant pit of despair and stress related illness but hey here we are
19:48.09OluapPlayer#adultlife
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19:52.09Monet2The ballad of.modern life
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19:54.33Monet2So according to the BBC the personal details of Xsplit users from 2013 has been found on sale within the dark net
19:56.46HachimanNot surprising
19:57.30Monet2And because a lot of people like to use the same email and password for multiple accounts, lots of sites have been compromised
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20:57.28Wormy_awayHachiman:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/26/fireman-sam-producer-apologises-after-showing-character-treading/
20:57.55HachimanHoly shit
20:59.50ImperiosOH GOD DAMMIT PEOPLE
20:59.51Wormy_away"HIT Entertainment, the producer of the programme, last night issued an unreserved apology, and said it was cancelling its contract with the Chinese animation studio responsible for making the scenes."
21:00.16Wormy_awayEither the studio had no idea it was offensive, or it was on purpose
21:00.37ImperiosFiraxis has just shown first Civ VI leaders; France is led by a queen
21:00.46ImperiosNow everyone is whining about feminism and that she did nothing
21:00.53ImperiosEven if America and Japan have obscure leaders as well
21:00.58ImperiosTheodore Roosevelt
21:00.59ImperiosLiterally who
21:01.07ImperiosHojo Takimune
21:01.09ImperiosLiterally who
21:01.15ImperiosBut nobody whines because they're male
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21:01.29ImperiosSome obscure French *queen* though?
21:01.30The_RandomnessHello
21:01.36ImperiosEveryone screams feminism1
21:01.40ImperiosFucking pathetic
21:01.43ImperiosHi Random
21:01.54TechnobliteratorYeah, Imp, this should be obvious : |
21:01.55Technobliteratorhi random
21:02.09The_Randomnesswhat's this?
21:02.32ImperiosThe_Randomness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENMzcvQVvzA&list=PL-lTq9LJCHpSaQ0tkRQIwDC0-dawYWmkg&index=3 Civ VI leaders announced; America, Japan and France got fairly obscure rulers
21:02.44ImperiosHowever people only complain about Catherine de Medici
21:02.48ImperiosBecause she's a woman
21:02.51TechnobliteratorFrance is led by a queen in Civ VI so everyone's upset
21:02.52ImperiosAnd you know
21:02.55ImperiosFEMINISM
21:02.56ImperiosPANDERING
21:02.59The_Randomnesszz
21:03.05TechnobliteratorThey said the same about Rey in TFA
21:03.05Imperioszz
21:03.05Wormy_awayCue Fireman Sam memes https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Fireman%20Sam%22&src=tren
21:03.12ImperiosAs in you agree that this is stupid?
21:03.20The_RandomnessThe outrage? Yeah
21:04.00The_RandomnessBut outrage is stupid, what's the problem with them choosing a female leader for a nation in a game?
21:04.12The_RandomnessWell, I mean, outrage is stupid by default.
21:04.16DrodoEmpireThere isn't any
21:04.39DrodoEmpireImp is overblowing whatever outrage there is because that's what he does :p
21:04.45The_RandomnessThis is true
21:04.59DrodoEmpireAnd when was Qin Shi Huang ever obscure? :p
21:04.59HachimanImperios: Did you just say "literally who" about Theodore Roosevelt
21:05.05DrodoEmpireAnd him
21:05.07ImperiosWell
21:05.13ImperiosHe's not the WW2 Roosevelt right
21:05.13HachimanAs in, one of the most badass American Presidents to ever live
21:05.14ImperiosHe's his father
21:05.19ImperiosIf I am correct
21:05.30DrodoEmpireEverybody knows who Theodore Roosevelt is in the wesy
21:05.33DrodoEmpire*west
21:05.47DrodoEmpireHe's not at all obscure. :p
21:05.58ImperiosOh, alright
21:06.29HachimanI agree that the outrage about a female ruler is dumb though
21:06.35DrodoEmpireAlso people aren't mad that she's a woman- they're mad because she isn't even French. :p
21:06.45DrodoEmpireDon't misrepresent the issue
21:06.48The_Randomnessah
21:06.49ImperiosNapoleon
21:06.49DrodoEmpireThat's dishonest
21:06.51HachimanPeople should be more upset that Montezuma is pre-order exclusive for the first 90 days
21:06.54The_RandomnessI wasn't away
21:06.56The_Randomness*aware
21:07.00ImperiosCatherine II
21:07.00Charles_MurrayWait wat
21:07.10HachimanMontezuma is a timed pre-order exclusive
21:07.18ImperiosI can name a few foreign Civ rulers
21:07.23ImperiosStalin
21:07.26ImperiosWho else
21:07.34Charles_MurrayCatherine de Medici is a really strange choice
21:07.38HachimanGandhi
21:07.53ImperiosQueen Victoria
21:07.55ImperiosPretty German too
21:08.05Charles_MurrayBoth the Civ V and Civ VI French rulers weren't actually French lol
21:08.08ImperiosDrodoEmpire: People scream "feminism", just take a look
21:08.17ImperiosAnd if people complain about her not being French
21:08.25ImperiosWell, again, we have Stalin and Napoleon
21:08.41ImperiosNone argued against Stalin on the grounds that he was not Russian now didn't they
21:08.43ImperiosI wonder why :P
21:09.00DrodoEmpireImperios: *Somewhat* german, but the entire ruling class of Europe was semi-related at that point and many were foreign
21:09.14ImperiosWhich is why Catherine de Medici's Italian descent is not a problem
21:09.35DrodoEmpireAnd Napoleon was *iconic*. You're right, he wasn't full French, but he served France for a long time at the very least and everyone remembers him for that
21:09.41DrodoEmpireAnd yes, clearly, many people are upset at that
21:10.12Charles_MurrayWell no, I would argue differently
21:10.17ImperiosWell so did Catherine if my understanding is correct
21:10.17DrodoEmpireLooked at the top comments of the page
21:10.24DrodoEmpireOne that could be interpreted as anti-feminist
21:10.31DrodoEmpireYou're full of shit, Imperios
21:10.38Charles_MurrayWhoa
21:10.41DrodoEmpireStop overblowing stuff, its obnoxious
21:10.45Charles_MurrayOkay, we're done
21:10.58ImperiosAlright
21:11.06DrodoEmpireSorry, but I had to get that off of my chest because it bothered me
21:11.31ImperiosSame thing, that's why I vented
21:11.38ImperiosI hate seeing accusations of feminist pandering everywhere
21:11.57DrodoEmpireYou do it all the time for cheap laughs. I disproved what you've said handedly this one time
21:12.03ImperiosGive me a break, the shitstorms are almost never-ending
21:12.16ImperiosLook at the comment sections inside though
21:12.18ImperiosLike the replies
21:12.22DrodoEmpireI *did*
21:12.22ImperiosA lot of them complain about pandering
21:12.25Wormy_awayDid people complain with Elizabeth the 1st in Civ 5 (probably not because it might predate this narrative's popularity, though anybody who does in stupid because she was a badarse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_to_the_Troops_at_Tilbury#Content_of_the_speech)?
21:12.30DrodoEmpire^
21:12.32DrodoEmpireExactly
21:12.37DrodoEmpireThe top comments had *one*
21:12.41ImperiosNot all of trhem but a few
21:12.45HachimanI advocate to go to #sporewiki-offtopic if you're gonna argue
21:12.49DrodoEmpire*One* in the first top comment
21:12.49HachimanOr take it to the PMs
21:12.54DrodoEmpireYeah you're right
21:12.56Imperiosno I'm okay already
21:14.45ImperiosSorry for my outburst, everyone
21:14.52ImperiosHope I didn't cause too much of a fuss
21:15.20DrodoEmpireNo no, I should be sorry for getting so upset
21:17.05Charles_MurrayThe real reason Catherine de Medici is so weird is that she never ruled France
21:17.07Charles_Murrayin her own name
21:17.47Charles_MurrayFrance has never had Queen Regnants because the succession laws of the crown forbid women from inheriting.
21:18.27ImperiosWell there is precedence of monarchs being represented through their advisors who ruled de facto
21:18.29Charles_MurrayEven if you were to run out of male heirs
21:18.31ImperiosWe had Theodora
21:18.36ImperiosAnd Bismarck
21:18.44ImperiosActually
21:18.50Charles_MurrayTheodora makes no sense because she died before Justinian
21:19.10Charles_MurrayBismarck was Chancellor of Germany, so that makes perfect sense.
21:19.29ImperiosSpeaking of Civ, do you think buying 3 nuclear missiles and 5 atomic bombs for a direct attack on your enemy's capital was a good idea
21:19.41Charles_MurrayCan they fire back?
21:19.51ImperiosThey did once
21:19.59Charles_MurrayThen not really
21:20.19Charles_MurrayThere have been more spectacular rulers of France >.M
21:20.23Charles_Murray>.<*
21:20.37Charles_MurrayAnd they relegated the French Empire to a culture role... again.
21:21.00DrodoEmpire:p
21:21.51TechnobliteratorI think they definitely wanted Catherine in to get more women rulers, but like
21:21.54ImperiosWell, who else?
21:21.57Technobliteratorwhy is it such a big deal to people
21:22.03TechnobliteratorWhy is the game now suddenly ruined because of this
21:22.04ImperiosLike maybe Germany
21:22.07ImperiosDichter and Denker and all that
21:22.21ImperiosUkraine might be a good contender but it's too small and irrelevant
21:22.38ImperiosI mean what other civ in Europe could be "cultural"?
21:22.42TechnobliteratorIf I could be outraged at was a video game's inclusion of a character that may not be 100% ideal
21:22.48TechnobliteratorI would lead a much better life than I do now
21:23.28Charles_MurrayTechnobliterator : I'm not outraged, just a bit disappointed; Keep in mind, France is my favorite thing to play in 100% of the games I pick up
21:23.29Wormy_awayFrench bonus - "Grand Tour"
21:23.35TechnobliteratorNot at you
21:23.39Technobliteratorat the people Imp was talking about
21:24.03Charles_MurrayAnd when France is underpowered, that's not very fun and a little insulting.
21:24.24ImperiosCharles_Murray: I give to you *three nuclear missiles and five atomic bombs descending upon your capital*
21:24.30ImperiosCatherine best
21:24.33DrodoEmpireTech: There're better rulers to choose than an Italian who never directly ruled France though :p I'd be scratching my head if it were a man, too
21:24.37ImperiosHaven't played her until a few day
21:24.43DrodoEmpireSo would most people
21:24.52ImperiosI did scratch my head but like this is not so much of a big deal to me
21:24.57DrodoEmpireMe neither
21:24.59TechnobliteratorOf course
21:25.01ImperiosThere were stranger rulers in Civ
21:25.06TechnobliteratorBut is it worth the outrage?
21:25.09ImperiosLike
21:25.14TechnobliteratorI don't mean disgruntlement
21:25.15ImperiosGandhi never even ruled France
21:25.19ImperiosIndia even
21:25.31TechnobliteratorI mean the kind of outrage the gaming community comes out with nowadays
21:25.34DrodoEmpireGandhi *is* Indian, though, at the very least
21:25.38ImperiosI would like Ashoka or Nehru or Akbar but Gandhi is way too iconic
21:25.44DrodoEmpireBut its strange yeah
21:25.53ImperiosI'd love India to have Akbar
21:25.56ImperiosWith religious bonuses
21:25.56DrodoEmpireSame
21:26.19ImperiosNehru... what could he have?
21:26.20Charles_MurrayIt's likely nobody would recognize him, though; I agree nonetheless.
21:26.52Charles_Murray"Blundering idiot" - Diplomatic penalty with every civ he meets except the Chinese
21:27.35Charles_Murray"Declares war on Pakistan immediately upon discovering it"
21:28.06TechnobliteratorI am hyped for Civ VI
21:28.16Charles_MurrayI was
21:28.30ImperiosDidn't he do some good at unifying India though?
21:28.33Imperiosblarsg
21:28.35Wormy_awayI only like the trailers and cinematics
21:28.36ImperiosAs in, unifying India
21:28.44ImperiosWasn't he good at unifying india
21:28.45DrodoEmpireEh
21:28.48ImperiosThat's what I wanted to say
21:28.54ImperiosThe princely states and all that
21:29.09Charles_MurrayImperios : Yus, yus, I kid
21:29.10DrodoEmpireHe ruled the Mughal Empire, I believe, which was an Islamic empire ruling over a majority Hindu population :p
21:29.27DrodoEmpireBut yes, he did rule a large chunk of it
21:29.28Charles_MurrayImperios : Nehru was great
21:29.40TechnobliteratorI am confused why they chose Teddy Roosevelt over, say, Lincoln, Washington or FDR
21:29.53Charles_MurrayTeddy is pretty iconic too
21:29.57The_Randomnessyeah
21:29.58Charles_MurrayHere in the US
21:29.58DrodoEmpire^
21:29.58ImperiosDrodoEmpire: I mean Nehru
21:29.59ImperiosNot Akbar
21:30.04DrodoEmpireOh
21:30.06DrodoEmpireNot sure
21:30.11TechnobliteratorBut compared to those guys?
21:30.16Charles_MurrayYeah
21:30.17ImperiosAkbar would be cool to have traits
21:30.19Technobliteratoroh, huh
21:30.24Imperiosrelated to religious tolerance
21:30.25TechnobliteratorI might need to do some more research
21:30.29ImperiosLike +5 faith
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21:30.31Charles_MurrayTechnobliterator : He's up there with those guys
21:30.41ImperiosIf you have two religions in the city
21:30.49TechnobliteratorI remain unfortunately ignorant on too much US history
21:30.58TechnobliteratorI only know those guys, the founding fathers, and everything after Reagan
21:31.08Imperios^ same here
21:31.14DrodoEmpireSeems like Keem quit... Only to come back. Again.
21:31.17DrodoEmpire:p
21:31.29The_RandomnessI'm off for now, bye guys
21:31.31ImperiosAMERICAN HISTORY WON'T BE RELEVANT ONCE IT WILL BE REDUCED TO RADIOACTIVE ASH
21:31.36TechnobliteratorPfff
21:31.37Technobliteratort
21:31.37ImperiosIT IS EVEN
21:31.49Charles_MurrayTeddy Roosevelt invented the modern presidency, laid the foundations for an activist American foreign policy, was himself a badass who just refused to due
21:31.51Charles_Murraydie*
21:32.03TechnobliteratorI'm looking up stuff now
21:32.23XhoAre we on a politics chat here
21:32.27ImperiosNo
21:32.28ImperiosCiv
21:32.39ImperiosFirst leaders were announced
21:32.43XhoNUCLEAR GANDHI
21:32.47ImperiosFrench leader is some obscure Italian woman
21:32.54ImperiosJapan... some obscure person
21:33.03ImperiosEngland Victoria
21:33.06ImperiosAmerica Teddy Roosevelt
21:33.07ImperiosEtc
21:33.08Charles_MurrayTechnobliterator : Someone tried to shoot him, his 100-page speech in his pocket caught the bullet, and he went on to give the speech from memory.
21:33.29ImperiosI wonder who will lead Russia
21:33.32Charles_MurrayWithout ever breaking cadence
21:33.36ImperiosLike Catherine is one of my favourite rulers
21:33.39Charles_MurrayYeltsin pls
21:33.40Wormy_awayDidn't also get attacked by a bear or something?
21:33.46Charles_MurrayOr Gorbachov
21:33.54Charles_MurrayI would laugh so hard if it was Gorba
21:33.54ImperiosBut I want someone else
21:34.19Charles_MurrayOf course you do
21:34.20ImperiosCharles_Murray: Gain victory points by *losing* cities and units
21:34.22Charles_MurrayYou're Russian
21:34.24Charles_MurrayHAHAHA
21:34.52Charles_MurrayI got an obscure Italian Queen whose major achievement was making sure France *didn't* fall apart
21:35.05Charles_MurrayYou should get Gorbachov
21:35.12Imperioslol hur
21:35.14ImperiosI wonder if Korea will be in vanilla
21:35.37ImperiosSeriously can't think of any real ruler other than Sejong though
21:35.41ImperiosLike Empress Min though
21:35.44Xhoinb4 Nicholas II
21:35.50XhoAll units are armed with sticks
21:35.51ImperiosPark Chung-hee is a bit too modern
21:36.12ImperiosXho: Better yet, Kolchak
21:36.27Charles_MurrayNicholas II would be so cruel
21:36.35XhoJust get a damn bear with a balalaika
21:36.36Charles_MurrayAlexandre II or Alexandre I would be really cool
21:36.39XhoNuclear Bear
21:36.46XhoAtomic Balalaika
21:36.52Imperios^ Alexander II definitely
21:36.55ImperiosThen again he failed
21:36.57ImperiosSo maybe not
21:37.09ImperiosAlso 19th century Russian rulers are generally very generic
21:37.17ImperiosWhat about some ancient Russian rulers thouigh
21:37.19ImperiosRurik
21:37.22ImperiosVladimir
21:37.25ImperiosAlexander Nevsky
21:37.26HachimanIvan
21:37.26XhoCiv VI England gets Nigel Farage, preferred ideology is 'Confusion'
21:37.30Charles_MurrayI personally have a lot of respect for Alexandre I
21:37.34ImperiosHachiman: Which one
21:37.36Charles_MurrayXho : OLOL
21:37.37ImperiosThere are four
21:37.40HachimanThe Terrible
21:37.48ImperiosPretty good choice that
21:37.55Charles_MurrayTerrible has become a stereotype
21:38.12Charles_MurrayI think that might be why the Civ team is picking out unusual leaders
21:38.25ImperiosHis moniker isn't actually translated as "Terrible"
21:38.32Charles_MurrayThey're looking for leaders which aren't too stereotyped
21:38.34ImperiosIt is closer in meaning to "Terrifying"
21:38.49ImperiosCharles_Murray: So important but not very popular
21:38.57ImperiosKhruschev?
21:38.58HachimanNeeds Admiral Yi for Korea
21:39.06HachimanDon't even care if he wasn't actually a leader
21:39.06ImperiosHe is already in the game
21:39.09XhoMeanwhile, Syria gets Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi #shotsfuckingfired
21:39.11ImperiosAs a Gereat Admiral
21:39.14HachimanAh
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21:39.48Charles_MurrayHey Tybusen
21:39.55TybusenHello
21:39.59ImperiosXho: Gets faith by destroying units
21:40.17XhoImperios: Khrushchev -> Russia's Ability: Shoe Slamming
21:40.21ImperiosMY
21:40.22ImperiosVAM
21:40.27ImperiosМЫ
21:40.28ImperiosВАМ
21:40.29ImperiosПОКАЖЕМ
21:40.30ImperiosКУЗЬКИНУ
21:40.31ImperiosМАТЬ
21:40.38Charles_MurrayXho : What did you do
21:40.41Charles_MurrayYou broke Imperios
21:40.43Xhoimperios.exe has stopped working
21:40.50ImperiosМЫ
21:40.50ImperiosВАС
21:40.52ImperiosПОХОРОНИМ
21:41.11Hachimancheeki breeki
21:41.33Wormy_awayI'm scared
21:42.09Charles_MurrayLol
21:42.11ImperiosOkay who else
21:42.19Charles_MurrayGoogle translate thinks he's speaking Bulgarian, then Ukrainian
21:42.26Xhooh god don't start
21:42.28Xhopls no
21:42.43ImperiosThat should be the other way around
21:42.48Charles_MurrayIt was
21:42.48ImperiosFirst Ukraine shall be one with Russia
21:42.51Charles_MurrayActually
21:42.51Imperiosthen Bulgaria
21:43.03HachimanXho: "Hey, have you been to the new OJ Simpson website? It's at slash-slash-backslash-escape."
21:43.10XhoOh god
21:43.33XhoWhich reminds me, when I was the Animals As Leaders gig last week, someone shouted "FREE OJ SIMPSON" at Tosin Abasi and he just froze in confusion
21:43.37ImperiosAs for other non-stereotyped Russian leaders
21:43.46Hachimanolol
21:43.48ImperiosIvan III is the one I can think about
21:43.56ImperiosAlexander Nevsky but he wasn't even a real political ruler
21:44.10ImperiosMore like a military commander in service of a democratic republic
21:44.23ImperiosYes Russia actually had democratic republics
21:44.25Charles_MurrayImperios : I really want Lenin
21:44.28Charles_MurrayBut stereotype
21:44.31ImperiosRussia was democratic at some point
21:44.36ImperiosCharles_Murray: OHGOD YES
21:44.39HachimanIF YOUR NAME ENDS WITH -IN       TIME TO GET OUT
21:44.39ImperiosCan't pronounce Rs
21:44.46ImperiosStands on top of an armoured car
21:44.47Charles_MurrayHachiman : ^^^^^
21:44.48ImperiosShouts at everyone
21:44.49XhoEngland gets Henry VIII -> "Polygamy: Loses culture with population growth"
21:45.05XhoActually that should just be England in general
21:45.11ImperiosTiny island
21:45.14Imperiostiny gene pool
21:45.44Wormy_awaywe use sheep genes to bolster it now and then.
21:45.51Xho"bolster"
21:46.07XhoIn the case of Nigel Farage we also use frog genes
21:46.15ImperiosDo not forget pigs
21:46.18XhoAh yes
21:46.19Technobliteratorugh yeah
21:46.31Wormy_awaythe suction of a pig is too strong
21:46.32Technobliteratorso many fucking UKIP memes everywhere
21:46.33TechnobliteratorI do not miss those
21:46.54ImperiosOkay so either Alexander I, Alexander II, Ivan III, Rurik, or Princess Olga
21:47.04ImperiosPrincess Olga was actually kind of badass
21:47.27HachimanHOW ABOUT
21:47.29HachimanPUTIN
21:47.43HachimanAKA THE IMMORTAL GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND
21:48.10ImperiosShe instituted the first organised taxation system of Russia; early during her rule a Russian tribe that killed her husband refused to pay taxes
21:48.51TybusenWhat are we discussing
21:48.54ImperiosShe sent birds with flaming sulfur attracted to their legs at their town and burnt it down
21:48.58ImperiosCiv VI
21:49.05TybusenAh makes sense
21:49.21TybusenCatherine de Medici just got revealed as the French leader
21:49.55ImperiosShe also sent off rebel ambasadors to a hot tub and then set in onfire
21:51.21ImperiosWhat about Vladimir Red Sun?
21:51.43ImperiosThe Christianiser of Rusia
21:56.56Wormy_awayHachiman:  A newly discovered siphonophore http://imgur.com/gallery/YOXGb
21:57.45HachimanWhat the fuck is that
21:58.55Wormy_awayhere's another one that looks truly eldritch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT1TSbarW1U
21:59.36Wormy_awayThey are those colonial organisms, I think in the same class as other hydrozoans
22:00.00HachimanAh those
22:00.21Hachiman'Creatures' made up of individual colonies of creatures which all interact with each other
22:00.32DrodoEmpire"Sketch of Alpine chasseurs charging German lines on skis" http://www.firstworldwar.com/photos/graphics/nw_german_chasseurs_01.jpg
22:00.36Wormy_awayindeed
22:01.05HachimanThat would be a fairly interesting premise for a Sporewiki species actually
22:01.20HachimanIf we do not already have races like that
22:01.30Wormy_awayIsn't it the hydrozoans that are effectively immortal by reverting back to a polyp stage?
22:01.41HachimanLemme check
22:02.09Hachimanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_(genus)) These
22:02.26HachimanA very distinct class of hydrazoa
22:02.40Wormy_awayThey definately would be interesting organisms, they would have wildly different psychology and perception of the world I'd expect
22:03.36HachimanI just wonder if such creatures could be adapted for terrestrial life rather than aquatic however
22:03.58HachimanSince it would be difficult to establish a spacefaring civilisation - or much civilisation at all - from underwater
22:05.22Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#.E2.80.A2_LIVE:_Commonwealth_Civil_War_.28link.29 Well I had to make a comment
22:05.35DrodoEmpireYeah anything resembling what we think of as civilization would be difficult to do underwater
22:05.48DrodoEmpireAgriculture might not be difficult, depending on the sorta life there is
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22:05.53DrodoEmpireBut what about metalworking?
22:05.56DrodoEmpireHi there!
22:06.03HachimanMetalworking requires fire
22:06.17HachimanAnd fire does not exactly happen underwater
22:06.17DrodoEmpireOr at least great heat
22:06.21DrodoEmpireYeah exact;y
22:06.23DrodoEmpire*ly
22:06.33HachimanGreat heat underwater is possible, but not entirely consistent
22:06.33Wormy_awayThere are some concievable ways metalworking could be done http://www.xenology.info/Xeno/20.3.2.htm
22:06.35DrodoEmpireSo that's one huge step in civilization gone
22:06.51HachimanUnderwater volcanoes for example, although they are essentially finite resources
22:06.52DrodoEmpireBut stone-age or near stone-age civilizations *have* existed, to be fair
22:07.14DrodoEmpireThe mesoamericans had only limited access to bronze/copper and used precious metals
22:07.24Wormy_away"How about physical resources? Clays and mud are available for ceramics and pottery, sand for glass, and there is a tremendous variety of organic materials available for chemical industry -- dyes, acids, drugs, etc. Stone masonry is quite possible, since concrete can be mixed that can set underwater. Nodules littering the continental shelves and ocean floors could be harvested for their nickel, cobalt and manganese. Fantastic
22:07.24DrodoEmpireBut most tools were wood and stone
22:07.37Wormy_away<PROTECTED>
22:07.37DrodoEmpireYeah
22:08.40Wormy_away"Where do we get the energy to work all these resources? Aquatic ETs may discover superheated underwater volcanoes -- these exist in great numbers on Earth’s ocean floors and should be even more numerous on larger, more massive pelagic worlds. Submarine oil deposits may be found in sedimentary strata. Natural gas and other combustible vapors upwelling from the planetary interior could be trapped in special containers and bur
22:09.13Wormy_awayLacking combustion, bubblewheels could be erected over regions of submarine helium gas effluence and the rotary power used to turn mechanical flywheels."
22:09.22DrodoEmpireRight, right
22:09.36Wormy_awayIt all sounds like a long shot, but then so was our advancement
22:09.36DrodoEmpireSo yeah, maybe more difficult, or perhaps just challenging in a different way
22:09.48DrodoEmpireYeah that's the big thing with us too
22:10.10DrodoEmpireIt takes a *bright* person to come up with a bow and arrow if you have no idea what a bow and arrow are
22:10.24DrodoEmpireIts not exactly an obvious thing, when you think about it
22:10.35Wormy_awayAnd even then, if such knowledge isn't past to many people, it will die with you
22:10.39DrodoEmpire^
22:10.41Wormy_away*passed
22:10.55DrodoEmpireWriting is another thing that doesn't seem all that obvious, though, maybe a *bit* moreso
22:11.08DrodoEmpireWriting, at least, doesn't require a basic grasp of physics. :p
22:12.18HachimanWriting *about* physics does however
22:12.31DrodoEmpire^
22:12.34Wormy_awayHm, about physics, I wonder if aquatic ET's would have a more fluid mechanical intuition imparted from their perception of the environment
22:12.42DrodoEmpireQuite possibly
22:12.46HachimanA what now
22:13.15Wormy_awayWell we grasped rigid body physics before fluid mechanics
22:13.18DrodoEmpire(Actually on writing- the first writing was pretty boring, and wasn't a full writing system at all- more of a code)
22:13.22Wormy_awayThat role might be reversed in water
22:13.49DrodoEmpire(It didn't represent the whole language and was more or less just records on tax, harvests, and the occasional, very basic contract)
22:14.23DrodoEmpire(Got better soon though- now you had full range of language, so you could read marginally more *exciting* tax and harvest records! :D)
22:14.43HachimanFuck the guy who invented the word "moist"
22:14.59DrodoEmpirehur
22:15.10Wormy_awayBut do aquatic species feel wet like we do?
22:15.43HachimanThey can probably feel dry
22:16.29DrodoEmpireI imagine dryness'd be very unnatural or even painful for them
22:16.35DrodoEmpireBut I dunno
22:17.20Wormy_awayQuite possibly species that live in tidal areas would need a sense of when they are getting too dry
22:17.21DrodoEmpirehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-nasir - Some of these early writings come up though, and they're quite amusing
22:18.12Wormy_awayancient squabbles
22:18.22DrodoEmpire^
22:18.27DrodoEmpireIts extremely humanising
22:18.38HachimanFucking kek
22:19.03DrodoEmpirePuts a face and a sense of relatability to these distant periods- even if it is Ea nasir fucking over our boy Nanni here
22:21.36Wormy_awayHachi:  These colonial creatures, what if the individual creatures were sentient?  I think that route could lead to more interesting psychology.  A whole colonial organism being sentient by simply resolve itself the way human cells are differentiated but function together
22:22.35Hachimaninb4 these colonial creatures have regular arguments within themselves
22:22.49Wormy_awayThey'd need to be highly dependent on another in order to build useful biological structures and skeletal houses out of their fallen bretheren
22:23.34HachimanI can imagine that such creatures would be horrified by the existence of aliens that do not live in such a manner
22:24.04Wormy_awayPerhaps existential loneliness
22:24.39HachimanThat aliens such as humans live cold, isolated existences
22:24.46HachimanYeah
22:27.49HachimanThey sound difficult to understand and write about though so I dunno if I'll pursue that
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22:28.53DrodoEmpireHi
22:28.56MonetHello
22:29.02HachimanHi
22:29.11Wormy_awayYeah, I went through a phase of doing that, but its pretty isolated fiction and can't really worek with the rest of the fic universe.
22:30.04Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Universal_Discussion_Board#.E2.80.A2_LIVE:_Commonwealth_Civil_War_.28link.29 Posting this again, someone gimme a comment that isn't from Zilla's character that does not fit into this situation
22:30.30DrodoEmpire>.<
22:30.33MonetI can soon
22:31.06HachimanWow Kicath are kind of assholes hur
22:31.16HachimanAlso I don't use the UDB so
22:31.20HachimanI would if I could
22:32.31MonetYou can
22:32.56HachimanMore accurately; I would if I actually used the UDB hur
22:34.59MonetHow come you don't?
22:35.13HachimanIt's embarrassing to admit but
22:35.22HachimanI never learned to use the whole template thing
22:36.10TybusenIt's fairly simple to use, I could walk you through it if you want
22:36.28MonetThat's what a community's for :)
22:37.11Wormy_awayXho:  Replied
22:37.24HachimanNot right now, but thanks for the offer; I got stuff in mind to do before I start using the UDB
22:37.33Wormy_awayThe DCP act on super atheist when the Xhodocto turn up
22:38.07HachimanOh wait it's Dominion
22:38.16HachimanSorry Xho I thought it was Kicath for some reason
22:38.26XhoStill would've made sense
22:38.37XhoThe Kicath would have put it more bluntly
22:40.58DrodoEmpireWormy_away: "You don't exist because reasons >:D"
22:41.36XhoXhodocto - nah *zap*
22:41.43DrodoEmpire"Checkmate, Xhodoc-tard :'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''')"
22:41.46Wormy_awayThe DCP don't deny they exist, having fought demons directly, but refuse to believe they are undfeatable or supernaturally omnipotent / unknowable
22:41.56DrodoEmpire(yes that was satire pls dont think im that dumb pls)
22:43.10Wormy_awayHaving felled demons through technological means, the DCP think its right.
22:44.59Wormy_awaysome creepy pastas http://imgur.com/gallery/MSxuJ
22:47.01HachimanIt's on the internet so these must be true
22:47.30ImperiosWormy_away: If something supernatural exists, blast it to pieces
22:47.35ImperiosThere the universe makes sense again
22:47.42HachimanThe DOOM way of doing things
22:48.36Wormy_awaylol
22:50.31HachimanYou know, it's a strange thought realising that most alien civilisations probably haven't had a situation similar to the mass extinction of the dinosaurs
22:50.46HachimanOr some maybe haven't even had their own mass extinction events
22:51.38DrodoEmpireSeeing the frequency of mass-extinction events in our Earth's history, I dunno, they probably have had a few
22:51.59DrodoEmpireI think its statistically unlikely that they wouldn't have a meteor strike, or a major climatic change
22:52.30DrodoEmpire(Or even a minor climatic change sometime directly in that civilization's history, such as a 'little ice age' of the 1600s)
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22:53.39HachimanMost habitable planets probably have not been struck by the aftermath of a fucking gamma ray burst however
22:53.43DrodoEmpire^
22:53.48DrodoEmpireOf course
22:54.16HachimanI feel that Earth is just statistically *extremely* unlucky
22:54.35DrodoEmpireBut I mean, don't discount the very real possibility of climatic change, which can either result in mass extinction (big ice ages) or at the very least *huge* upheaval among sentient societies (little ice age)
22:54.41HachimanTrue
22:55.09PrimisbackDo planets being hit by the shockwave of a supernova usually recover much in 2 million years?
22:55.21Wormy_awayGenerally, the evolution of newer niches by different taxonomic genera have been caused by ass extinctions and environmental changes.
22:55.29Wormy_away>ass extinction
22:55.33PrimisbackOMFG
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22:55.35HachimanHoly shit
22:55.36DrodoEmpireWhat do you mean "recover"?
22:55.38Primisbackthat is going in my quotes
22:55.50HachimanWormy_away: ur mom is an ass extinction
22:55.59Primisbackhaving most biodiversity recover
22:56.07Primisbacki.e. reappear
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22:56.11DrodoEmpireDunno
22:56.16DrodoEmpireNot my area of expertise
22:57.03DrodoEmpireBut I can safely say that, assuming the world isn't totally obliterated by the blast, no civilization could survive a supernova event :p
22:57.26Wormy_awayDepends on the distance of the supernova, within a system (as I presume shockwave) the planet's surface will become molten and atmosphere would be blown away at the very least
22:57.47HachimanI mean, most life on Earth was terminated after a gamma ray burst struck it and stripped away most of the atmosphere
22:58.00PrimisbackThinking more ~10 ly
22:58.26DrodoEmpireYeah
22:58.32HachimanA gamma ray burst that was *very* distant when it went off
22:58.42HachimanAnd it was by sheer misfortune that it struck Earth
22:58.58DrodoEmpireCivilizations, as it turns out, don't take the thought of a shifting climate well :p
22:59.05PrimisbackHmm
22:59.14PrimisbackI'll leave Eden a bit underdiverse
22:59.15Wormy_awayHm, I think that would probably kill all surface life at that distance (possibly not endolithic life in rocks)
22:59.24PrimisbackIdk
22:59.35DrodoEmpireIn fact, they contribute to collapsing dynasties and sparking civil wars and runaway religious conflict
22:59.35Wormy_awaySo maybe another 2 to 3 billion years again to evolve complex life
22:59.41Primisbackwhoa
22:59.44Primisbackoopsies
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23:00.00Primisbackanen'll be the newbie for the jaelin sector :P
23:00.05Monet210ly sounds too close for optimism Imo
23:00.14Primisbackhm... 13k au?
23:00.30PrimisbackWhat would be the effects at 13,000 AU? the closest star to the remnant?
23:00.48Wormy_awayComplex mult-cellular organisms took about 3 billion years after an extreme set of circumstances on Earth to evolve
23:00.50Primisbackor .2 ly
23:01.31Monet2Anything in-system will likely remain dead
23:01.41Primisbackok
23:02.11Wormy_awayNot even rock dwelling bacteria would survive, as the surface rock would become molten
23:02.37Primisbackso it's like being shot at pointblank range: superaccurate and deadly
23:03.21Monet2It's like lying on top of a primed grenade
23:03.29DrodoEmpireWell, guaranteed hit anyway
23:03.43Primisbacki'd compare the primed grenade to the original system
23:03.44Primisbackand the only survivor of the supernova (in the original system)? a brown dwarf
23:03.46Wormy_awayIndeed.  And once I looked up if supernovae could actually destroy planets.  The views of astrophysicists are mixed, but one paper predicts a supernova could boil away a planet in 2-3 days at about the distance of Earth
23:04.04DrodoEmpireIts not like a speeding bullet gets any *less* deadly within its effective range <.<
23:04.17Primisbackand it's a small rocky planet, ~earth mass now
23:04.23Primisbackand cold af
23:04.52Wormy_awayNot to mention there's be enough neutronos to kill everything even if the distance between the planet and the star was shielded completely by lead
23:05.05Wormy_away*neutrinos
23:05.31Wormy_awayConsidering how weakly they interact with other particles, that gives you an idea
23:05.31Primisbackit was ~80 jupiter masses, and it BARELY survived
23:06.07Primisbackthat's 80 jupiter masses of ionized gas splattered over several lightyears, from a single tiny rocky planet
23:06.17Primisbackrip its moons
23:06.58Wormy_awayA brown dwarf would have a considerable amount of its mass blown away into space, I imagine
23:07.10Primisbackyeah
23:07.34Primisbackand maybe a super-small red dwarf would be robbed of its material, effectively having its limbs cut off
23:07.41Monet2A brown dwarf is also far too small to go supernova
23:08.21Primisbackik
23:08.32Primisbacki was thinking "massive star and brown dwarf binary"
23:08.57Wormy_awayYeah think of these planets as being boiled away like melting ice cream in front of hair dryer, rather than exploding
23:09.43Primisbackk
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23:10.27Primisback:P
23:11.46Primisbackso
23:12.05Primisbackwould a ~20 jupiter mass BD get vaporized?
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23:20.08MonetVapourised might be an inaccurate term, as stars are a plasma. But blown away? I think so.
23:21.32Primisbackso 20 Mj would be blown away?
23:22.34MonetLike a dandelion meeting a hairdryer.
23:23.36Primisbackok
23:23.39Primisback80?
23:23.45Primisbackhigh end brown dwarf?
23:27.15MonetI'm not sure how a ball of ionised gas so close to the explosion could survive.
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23:28.11MonetThe sun, although massive, is about 1/4 the density.
23:29.08Wormy_I don't know what the lower limit on mass is, so it could exclude brown dwarfs, but considering we've found binary stars involving main sequence + a neutron star, I think higher mass stars would survive
23:30.30Primisbackkk
23:30.42Wormy_of course the peak of the supernova's brightness is on the order of days and weeks, so it may not be enough to completely blow away brown dwarfs
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23:36.27Primisbackgtg
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