IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160721

00:05.48Technobliteratorwow, I cannot be bothered to update the rest of these
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00:06.08TechnobliteratorI might just never update the
00:06.09Technobliteratorm
00:06.14StomajawEmpirehello!
00:06.32DrodoEmpireHi
00:06.38DrodoEmpireAnd ah. :L
00:07.39StomajawEmpirewell im slowly updating my wiki.
00:08.06DrodoEmpireAh
00:08.27StomajawEmpirewe can plan the collab now, since i aint busy
00:09.38DrodoEmpireHm?
00:09.42DrodoEmpireEh, maaybe
00:09.45DrodoEmpireOne minute
00:18.28DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/0n91DcL.gifv - This was a pretty brilliant play CS:GO wise
00:19.18The_Randomnessloool
00:19.59Wormy_I'm feeling badarse in FO4 tonight
00:20.23Wormy_Killed a Supermutant and it died standing, used it as a body shield while sniping out more
00:20.25DrodoEmpireOh?
00:20.28DrodoEmpireolol
00:21.00Wormy_I then raided a build with tall stairscases and took out radiders from the knee
00:21.04Wormy_building
00:21.10DrodoEmpireNice
00:21.24DrodoEmpireI'm getting pretty good with snipers in CS:GO myself
00:21.59DrodoEmpireThough I have terrible luck when I'm using the AWP, by far the most powerful sniper in the game- I always seem to get shot before I get to use it. >.<
00:27.03Wormy_I get problems like that
00:28.13DrodoEmpireAhh
00:29.26DrodoEmpireActually on that CS:GO gif- I know one good action of deception to use is to, when an enemy flashbang flies in to the room you're in is to turn away (which is normal to reduce the effect of the flash), but wildly fire a burst anyway
00:30.02DrodoEmpireThis'll make the enemy think you're flashed (spraying is a bad habit of new players when they're flashed) and they're run in, not expecting you to be ready for them
00:30.09DrodoEmpire*they'll
00:30.46DrodoEmpireIt'll be an easy fight at that point :p
00:31.46Technobliteratorlol
00:31.49TechnobliteratorI managed somehow
00:31.59TechnobliteratorI will never need to touch those...really bad pages again
00:32.07DrodoEmpirehur
00:32.44DrodoEmpireYeah you went on a *spree*
00:32.46DrodoEmpireGood work
00:33.48Technobliterator\o/
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00:43.18NeonPandahi all
00:43.27DrodoEmpireHi
00:43.28Quark8Hello.
00:43.54The_RandomnessHey
01:16.45Quark8tets
01:16.49Quark8*tets
01:16.53Quark8*test
01:16.57DrodoEmpireThere you go
01:31.10Wormy_goodnight
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02:06.31Quark8Hello Charles.
02:08.44Charles_MurrayHey
02:12.29Quark8What voting system is used in French elections?
02:42.38Charles_MurrayQuark8
02:42.42Charles_MurraySorry I missed this
02:42.46Charles_MurrayWhich France?
02:46.14Quark8The Third French Empire.
02:47.05Charles_MurrayQuark8 : Depends on the election, the member state, and the office; typically it's one person, one vote, and alternate voting
02:47.20Quark8I see. Thanks for the answer.
02:47.30Charles_MurrayNp at all
03:09.58Quark8Night.
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06:18.18DrodoEmpireOh, hi
06:22.12Yuggy04Hi!
06:38.51DrodoEmpireLong time no see
06:44.37DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/MCb3C2j.png ohgod
06:48.00Yuggy04I don't play Pokemon Go tho
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06:48.43DrodoEmpireMe neither, its just so goddamn funny >.<
06:48.49DrodoEmpirePotentially harmful for the naive
06:48.51DrodoEmpireBut funny
06:49.03Yuggy04I guess
06:51.46DrodoEmpirehttp://imgur.com/gallery/Pgt90qD
06:51.58DrodoEmpire"My experience in college was more like the crawling to the Lamborghini scene." My sides
06:53.11Yuggy04My browser on me kindle decided to keel over dead, and I had to find a way to fix it. I fixed it, but do not have the Titanpad link anymore, if we're still doing that.
06:53.22DrodoEmpireYeah I think we should still
06:53.27DrodoEmpireI have it
06:54.19Yuggy04Nice. I checked the imgur and found it to be amusing. Could I get the link in a pm, please?
06:54.53DrodoEmpireAlright
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11:48.39Monethi
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12:15.43Wormy_Liquid you turned bright green.
12:16.57MonetHello
12:21.29Wormy__hi
12:21.48Wormy__Watching a webinar introducing me to the Univerrsity of Nottingham
12:22.52Wormy__My campus http://www.nottinghamconferences.co.uk/images/virtual-tours/jubilee-campus-virtual-tour.jpg  http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n_vN61diK2o/UgzCrqYJA3I/AAAAAAAAHtk/E2vI7aAmiHs/s1600/DSC_0002+(2).JPG  http://www.e-architect.co.uk/images/jpgs/england/university_nottingham_jubilee_extension_cabe110609_1.jpg
12:22.59Liquid_Ink_Bright green?
12:23.13Wormy__Your nickname
12:23.22Wormy_Usually pink
12:23.29Liquid_Ink_Oh
12:23.41Wormy__What the hell why am I in two windows
12:23.43Liquid_InkI ate a snickers.
12:50.39MonetWormy_: http://www.pcgamer.com/company-claims-no-mans-sky-uses-its-patented-equation-without-permission/
12:54.01Wormy__How the hell would Genicap know precisely that the devs used that formula?  They haven't released its workings I presume
12:55.45Wormy__Actually I read somewhere the equation was developed by some mathemartician decades ago
12:56.20Wormy__I'm not sure if anyone has the right to "own" a mathematical equation
12:56.30MonetIt's not owning the equation that's the issue.
12:56.34MonetIts the application.
12:56.35Wormy__Programming code, that's different
12:57.11Wormy__Thats silly though, the applications are completely different.  Lots of applications use the same mathematics and even data structures
12:59.02Wormy__Ah, I see.  Maybe the patent is the right to use it
13:02.07MonetThis is where law gets tricky
13:02.54MonetIn the States there was an appeals court held in 1998 that allowed for the patenting of mathematical fomulae
13:04.11MonetAlthough I don't know if that's the case in Europe - where Genigap and Hello Games are based.
13:05.01MonetBut yes, http://www.quizlaw.com/patents/can_i_patent_a_mathematical_fo.php the applications of a fomula can be patent-protected.
13:05.26Monet"you could obtain a patent on a computer program that implements a mathematical formula, and protect your application of that formula."
13:07.25Wormy__The wording of it suggests "and protect *your application* of that formula.", does that mean protecting against any application or just protecting your application of it?
13:08.25MonetI'm going to say any application that matches the applications mentioned in the patent.
13:09.53Wormy__Here's the patent https://www.google.co.uk/patents/EP1177529B1?cl=en&dq=superformula&hl=en&sa=X&sqi=2&pjf=1&ved=0ahUKEwifkM2t0ITOAhXsIcAKHRU4AvcQ6AEIHDAA
13:10.25MonetThe main reason for the "copyright violation of Sky" issue is more of a social thing; Its legal team were unsure if the use was copyright infringement. And went for the 'better safe than sorry' angle of pushing the lawsuit.
13:11.04MonetIt made Sky look insane, but it also showed Sky would not tolerate attempts at breaching copyright.
13:11.40Wormy__By claiming for uses in CAD and computer graphics the patent pretty much covers everything
13:14.19MonetQuite often in business, the most effective way to protect your branding or identity is to throw a lawsuit at anything that even vaguely looks like it could be stealing from you.
13:16.26MonetGames Workshop, for instance, will (among other things) drop the hammer on anything called a space marine http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21380003
13:18.57Wormy__Actually I'll side with Genicap.  If this delays the release of NMS that's Hello Games' fault
13:21.43MonetBy the sounds of it, all Genigap wants is a recognition for use of its equation and a share of the income.
13:22.55Wormy__They should get all the credit for the formula and a share of the income
13:24.18MonetSeems fair. Might add a little to NMS' sale price or it might not.
13:24.33Wormy__probably won't dent it much
13:29.15MonetProbably not, it's not like it's a new algorithm designed during game development.
13:34.35MonetLooking up on Mankind Divided stuff. I get some people are worried that the endings of Human Revolution won't be respected buuut I like the direction.
13:35.49MonetAs regardless of the ending decision, millions of augmented people *did* go on a mass homicidal rampage.
13:37.53MonetSo the setup for Mankind Divided is certainly justified.
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13:46.55Groxkiller98Heya.
13:47.05Monethello
13:48.20Groxkiller98I'm trying to learn rigging.
13:48.52Wormy_Ah, I remember learning that
13:49.04Groxkiller98I figured out how to make the rig in Blender. But not how to attach it to the model... >_>
13:49.11Wormy__Not something I normally do in my work though
13:49.24Wormy__Don't know Blender very well
13:49.37Groxkiller98I'm going to try in Maya now.
13:49.47Groxkiller98I have more experience with Maya anyway.
13:50.46Groxkiller98Though with a different version. >_>
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13:53.24MonetHello
13:54.13Groxkiller98Hey.
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14:35.56Wormy_Think I just saw the Tour de France devil, but it could have been a pretender https://twitter.com/parodidisenft
14:38.34Wormy__he was in it yesterday https://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2016/jul/19/tour-de-france-2016-stages-10-to-16-in-pictures#img-25
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14:56.07JepardiHi
14:57.12TreebeardHello
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15:10.55DrodoEmpireHi everyone
15:17.55DrodoEmpirehttp://i.imgur.com/QYwKAxj.jpg
15:20.56MonetHello
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16:27.41Quark8Hello.
16:32.18DrodoEmpireHi
16:35.51Wormy__the last rider of a stage in le Tour has to carry a lantern http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7625/902/1600/jimmy%20casper.jpg
16:37.58DrodoEmpirehur
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16:59.05Wormy__I swear the AI for Super Mutants was written to be dumb in FO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT2_ZjR0E5g
17:02.43MonetNah its just Bethesda.
17:05.18Wormy__The AI for some combatants seem to be smarter, especially the Triggermen
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17:34.19ZF101Hello all.
17:34.45Monethello
17:48.43Wormy__Monet:  Best award ever https://twitter.com/RadioTimes/status/756156934038753281
17:49.48MonetHow has he gone so long before getting one?
17:54.29Wormy_such a travesty
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18:02.23ZF101Bye bye all
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18:14.28Quark8Hello.
18:15.27StomajawEmpirehello
18:16.00DrodoEmpireHi
18:16.39StomajawEmpirehi
18:47.23DrodoEmpiretest
19:12.09Monet<PROTECTED>
19:16.05DrodoEmpireOh?
19:17.39MonetBasically for all their power, Imperial law prohibits the use of using private armies against a rival grand house.
19:18.01DrodoEmpireOkay
19:19.06MonetActually I forgot
19:19.42MonetHouse Wars - when political tensions get so bad the nobility flat-out ignores these laws.
19:20.26DrodoEmpireRight, right
19:26.23MonetSo I guess I answered my own question
19:27.10MonetThough the role of the Praetor's council will probably change form being the executive branch of the senate, to being a forum that attempts to mitigate the bloodshed and rivalry.
19:27.58MonetSomewhere the Imperium's most powerful (and thus most dangerous) can settle their grievances without burning a planet or five.
19:29.09DrodoEmpireHmm, okay
19:36.11DrodoEmpiretest
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20:03.35MonetEvening
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20:07.01Quark8Hello.
20:08.25XhoHi
20:08.25XhoMan this IRC is dead nowadays
20:10.09DrodoEmpireMeh, maybe a little
20:10.22DrodoEmpireStill a lot of people on, not much to discuss I guess
20:10.43DrodoEmpireI'm waiting for Tech to be properly on, assuming she isn't already
20:11.22MonetShe's not.
20:11.41DrodoEmpireRight right
20:11.45XhoOluap and Hachi don't come on here anymore
20:13.48XhoThe fact that no one is concerned as to why is a problem in itself
20:14.55DrodoEmpireI sorta noticed recently
20:14.55DrodoEmpireAnd the fact that Oluap doesn't come on was brought up earlier
20:15.10DrodoEmpireI can't say why they aren't, personally- though I wouldn't mind an answer
20:15.50XhoWell Oluap, Hachi and I think Cyrannian as well are growing bored of the constant conversations about politics on the wiki and the IRC
20:16.04XhoTo them it's going further and further off the SporeWiki element
20:16.25XhoThat first sentence was terribly worded
20:16.51DrodoEmpireRL politics?
20:16.53MonetCyrannian also decided to no longer come here.
20:17.00XhoBoth
20:17.09XhoThe wiki political theme is driving users off the IRC
20:17.12DrodoEmpireI can agree to RL political discussions
20:17.34DrodoEmpireRiight...
20:17.36XhoI can't say I care for it much either as I haven't seen SporeWiki discussion for months
20:18.08Quark8I don't even remember the last SporeWiki discussion that was on the IRC.
20:18.11DrodoEmpireWell I wish I had a quick remedy for them >.< I mean, personally I've been *trying* to do more adventure style stories for years but they always seem to bottom out.
20:18.13DrodoEmpire:p
20:18.37DrodoEmpireSo I mean I think for things to change we can't have people running away- we need to bring a renewed interest
20:19.03DrodoEmpireFor example I want to start a more adventure-style thing with Tech
20:20.36DrodoEmpireWe should generally encourage balance, and we had a good thing going for a little while
20:20.37DrodoEmpireDoes this make some sense?
20:20.51XhoI suppose
20:21.18XhoAll these conversations and themes with politics has kind of sectioned off users from the wiki as it's now the dominant theme
20:22.29DrodoEmpireI don't have a direct line to Hachi or Oluap, so if you want to relay this to them go ahead
20:22.29XhoThat's how they feel anyway
20:22.29DrodoEmpireRight. I can get that that it isn't their favourite thing in the world, and that's fine
20:22.29XhoBecause they're not into the whole politics theme on the wiki currently they're being ignored and they're no longer viewing themselves as usefl
20:22.29Xhouseful*
20:22.29XhoI think Cyrannian's like that as well
20:22.31DrodoEmpireBut the solution isn't to give up, its to encourage *their* style of writing- I think more people are interested in that (me included) than they think
20:22.45Monet<PROTECTED>
20:23.47XhoHm I dunno then
20:23.47DrodoEmpireNot necessarily to *compete* with the other writing style or whatever but to just put it out there and keep trying
20:23.48DrodoEmpireSome people'll be very staunchly in one camp or the other and that's fine too
20:25.13DrodoEmpireAnyway its not a problem with a precise and easy solution other than "keep at it and be inclusive"
20:25.13DrodoEmpireEncourage new or different users to join fictions, sorta like how you opened up Voidwalker Xho
20:25.19XhoWell that's pretty slow all things considered
20:25.40Charles_BotXho : Yeah, best thing would be for them to jump back into it. They'll probably find that their stories might draw a lot of interest. One of the reasons politics appears like the dominant theme is that non-politics users are less active
20:26.28DrodoEmpireXho: Maybe so, but its also big
20:26.29MonetPolitics may have gained popularity because after the Xhodocto and the Corruptus...who do the good guys fight?
20:26.35DrodoEmpireSpeaking of which I can do Voidwalker anytime
20:26.47XhoMonet: >themselves                Xhodocto - OUR PLAN ALL ALONG KEK
20:26.58Charles_BotLol
20:27.11Charles_BotYeah, the fighting themselves bit is what I find interesting
20:27.53XhoI think there's much less Spore-based narrative than there used to be
20:28.13XhoSomething which I find is a little depressing
20:28.21DrodoEmpireI think a big thing with the political stuff is that while a lot of adventure style writers preferred to write among a tight-knit subcommunity (which was mostly due to their stories having very large narrative arcs), the political style was a bit more inclusive to newer users and the narrative arcs shorter and less defined
20:28.41Technobliterator\o/
20:28.48DrodoEmpireXho: Yeah, perhaps- But again I'd be happy to see that make a comeback
20:29.01XhoEh I guess, it's probably a clash of personalities
20:29.05DrodoEmpireI *love* the old fiction as it lacks a bit of the edge and seriousness newer stuff does
20:29.19DrodoEmpireEspecially from the political people
20:29.29DrodoEmpireHey Tech :D
20:29.36Technobliteratorhihi
20:30.45DrodoEmpire*especially the stories from the political people (which are less spore related and more serious)
20:31.26XhoI don't find it as entertaining mainly because of the lack of a Spore element
20:31.38DrodoEmpireYeah, that's fair
20:31.41XhoSounding passive-aggressive but the lack of a Spore element isn't wiki friendly to me
20:31.49Charles_BotI personally don't share the taste for Spore-related fiction, but I respect it
20:31.55DrodoEmpireNo I get it Xho
20:32.10DrodoEmpireI like either one but I *am* getting a bit sick of the politics stuff, just a little >.<
20:32.19DrodoEmpireI want to see what adventure style stuff looks like in 2016
20:32.35XhoCharles_Bot: I have to ask why you're on SporeWiki then if you don't do Spore-related stuff, it's not the best thing to have said on SporeWiki
20:32.53ImperiosHi
20:33.08ImperiosMonet Technobliterator: https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ghostbusters_2016/ ...So it turned out to be good
20:33.09Charles_BotBecause Sporewiki has a very interesting open fiction world bringing together many diverse styles and tastes?
20:33.15TechnobliteratorYup
20:33.23XhoFair enough
20:33.23Charles_BotI use Spore for worldbuilding and such
20:33.35TechnobliteratorOr at least decent, anyway
20:33.42DrodoEmpireImperios: I heard it was okay as well- not brilliant, but not bad if you don't mind that sort of comedy
20:33.47TechnobliteratorAlso, politics is in Spore, but it's just extremely basic
20:34.18Technobliteratorlike
20:34.18Technobliteratoryou can befriend other empires
20:34.18Technobliteratorand go to war with them
20:34.18Technobliteratorand that's it
20:34.18ImperiosDo not forget trading
20:34.18ImperiosActually
20:34.18DrodoEmpire"gimme money"    "no"                            "fuk you"
20:34.18Technobliteratoryeah that too
20:34.29Xho>Cheats       >unlock superweapons   = Profit
20:34.59Charles_BotSpore a very useful tool for that, but it isn't very interesting as a setting for a story or a world
20:35.00TechnobliteratorMy instinct would be that Hachi, Cyrannian and Oluap are on a break and may return later, which is what I think given how they've been in the past. I would hope that's the case, anyway
20:35.08DrodoEmpire^
20:35.11XhoI dunno
20:35.16ImperiosWell I've been wanting to do some adventure stories personally
20:35.22ImperiosBig politics are all good but they are backdrops
20:35.28ImperiosNot stories in themselves
20:35.29DrodoEmpireSpore is a grand strategy game in the same way CS:GO is a jigsaw puzzle
20:35.44ImperiosBut then again my activity is nearing zero anyway hur
20:36.50XhoI still don't know why the Grox are in fiction but that's just my personal problem with it
20:37.03XhoBefore you answer I do know why but I just don't know why
20:38.56Technobliterator...:V
20:39.17Charles_BotI don't get it
20:39.23MonetIt seems to be one of the few things that tie the fictionverse to Spore.
20:39.35TechnobliteratorUh
20:39.36Charles_BotYou guys seem to want to create adventure fiction
20:39.39Charles_BotSo do it
20:39.48TechnobliteratorMost of the fictionverse builds on what's already in Spore
20:39.56Charles_Bot^
20:40.29TechnobliteratorFor instance, Spore has very basic weapons, the fictionverse does not
20:40.31MonetYeah but the Grox are one of the few aspects that are distinctly Spore-like.
20:40.40TechnobliteratorSpore has very basic politics, the fictionverse has advanced politics
20:40.55TechnobliteratorSpore has very basic characters, the fictionverse has advanced characters
20:40.56Technobliteratoretc
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20:41.05MonetHi
20:41.10Charles_BotSpore focuses on species and their evolution, and the fictionverse does that to an extent
20:41.22Charles_BotMore in some places than in others
20:41.30TechnobliteratorSpore focuses on the space stage, the fictionverse is basically the space stage on steroids
20:41.40XhoThat's pretty much how it worked
20:41.42Charles_BotBut the grand world building element is what makes the whole thing Spore
20:41.49Charles_BotIt's still how it works?
20:42.03ZF101Hello.
20:42.03XhoThe first fictions on the wiki were originally the Space Stage playthroughs the users did
20:42.36TechnobliteratorAs far as I recall, the reason why users were dissatisfied with the wiki was nothing to do with the fiction on it. It was more to do with the IRC and receiving fewer responses for new fiction
20:43.46MonetThat is due to a number of factors
20:44.05TechnobliteratorI've no doubt
20:44.30Monetbrb
20:47.35Charles_BotXho: I urge you and the others to start doing fiction again, to create the environment you want to see in the Fictionverse. Otherwise, others will decide its shape and what goes on there. Is there anything stopping you?
20:47.47XhoReal life for one
20:49.25Charles_BotThat makes sense, it's making fiction difficult for me too
20:49.25Technobliteratorwell
20:49.28Technobliteratorthere's a Borealis War remake on the cards
20:49.41Technobliteratorbut it won't happen while Oluap et al are on break
20:54.17MonetTaking A break is fine, it can be a good way to recharge and calm down. Regarding IRC climate, I'm not sure
20:54.49MonetReal life commitments are making it harder for a number of us to commit to fiction or keep up with everything.
20:54.49ImperiosXho Wormy_ Monet: BEHOLD, THE STALLION THAT WILL MOUNT THE WORLD
20:54.49ImperiosSaw that in Moscow
20:54.50Imperioshttps://pp.vk.me/c630728/v630728728/3d19b/muQDFZgB4U8.jpg
20:54.57Xhoah hell
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20:55.08Quark8Hello.
20:55.16The_RandomnessHello
20:56.14Charles_Bot*shrug* A lot of real-world events have happened IRL which are of immediate concern to western publics
20:56.14Charles_BotIt makes sense for discussions of the news to come on to the IRC
20:56.24Charles_BotBut as intense news cycles subside, the IRC tends to go back to normal
20:56.47MonetImperios: Is it me or...Or does Twilight look Asian?
20:57.17ImperiosCharles_Bot: Pretentiousness aside, that's pretty much true
20:58.20ImperiosMonet: She and Rarity have a slightly different eye design than other ponies
20:58.20Charles_BotHow was that pretentious?
20:58.21ImperiosMore almond-shaped
20:58.21Imperios"A lot of real-world events have happened IRL which are of immediate concern to western publics"
20:58.21ImperiosI mean
20:58.21The_RandomnessI don't see how that's pretentious at all
20:58.21Imperios" which are of immediate concern to western publics"
20:58.22Imperios...Actually nevermind hur
20:58.25ImperiosJust disregard what I said
20:58.32Charles_Bot? Lol
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20:58.56MonetImperios: Huh...I never noticed.
20:58.56StomajawEmpireguys i got a question
20:59.02Quark8Yes?
20:59.34ImperiosIt's just that the sentence was rather... well... overwrought
20:59.34Imperiosthen again that's rich coming from me hur
20:59.34MonetIt completely went over my head that Twilight is the Nerdy Asian.
20:59.34StomajawEmpirei cant think of a name, for this disease that cam wipe out my spore empire. anyone got any names for it
21:00.29DrodoEmpireImperios: Rich coming from the guy who said "overwrought" <.<
21:01.00ImperiosAs I said
21:01.00ImperiosThat's rich coming from me hur
21:01.00Charles_BotOverwrought?
21:01.08StomajawEmpirefor the name?
21:01.25ZF101Just go to wikipedia, look up some scary diseases, and toy with the names.
21:01.36StomajawEmpireok
21:01.54MonetCharles has a point. As all of us have gotten older, watching or reading the news has become a key element of our lives.
21:02.12ImperiosYeah I agree
21:02.34MonetAnd that keyness results in concerns over headlines to bleed int oIRC discussion.
21:02.54ImperiosCharles_Bot: Just that particular sentence was written in a rather... literary manner
21:03.05The_Randomness..and?
21:03.07ImperiosIt's like you were writing a political pamphlet
21:03.28ImperiosHey guys since when are we all white knights turning on each other
21:03.37ImperiosFirst Hachi and now you guys
21:03.53ImperiosIt's okay, we can at times make biting remarks for each other
21:03.55Imperios*at
21:03.57Imperiosfor
21:03.58ZF101I'm a blood knight.
21:04.29Imperiosnot sure
21:04.59Technobliterator._.
21:05.07ImperiosThere's no need to protect each other 'cause we all are friends and friends can be honest to one another, right?
21:05.21The_Randomness...what?
21:05.55ImperiosAs in there's no need to interfere into the discussion and protect Charles or any other user, I'm just saying
21:06.01ImperiosIt's not a big deal so no need to intrude plz
21:06.15Quark8Ah. I see.
21:07.33ImperiosAlright back to the point
21:07.40The_RandomnessI don't understand what you're trying to get at, so don't lash out at us when we question what you're trying to say
21:07.56ImperiosAlright guys sorry my bad
21:08.42ImperiosI just meant Charles' sentence sounded a bit overwrought, hence my remark
21:08.58TechnobliteratorUrm
21:09.00Technobliteratorok
21:09.17ImperiosNow back to the discussion anyway yeah as I said I agree
21:09.27ImperiosIt's probably just born of habit
21:09.38Imperiosborn out of habit even
21:09.53ImperiosCharles' way of speaking I mean
21:11.00Charles_Bot(I took no offense, I was just trying to understand. I looked up overwrought and it didn't make sense in Impy's context)
21:11.00Charles_Bot(But I understand now, and we can get back to whatever we were talking about before)
21:11.22Charles_Bot(And Impy's right, I can be verbose)
21:12.29ImperiosI know why it happens
21:12.46MonetFrom a certain pserpective, talking about recent game news like new expansions, GamerGate, the latest sellout act by Activision or IGN, isn't much different form talking about the latest public shooting or offensive act by radicals.
21:12.50ImperiosMaybe you're just more used to writing in the journalistic style and it seeps into your everyday speech; and no I do not think news should be relegated to a different channel
21:12.53Imperiosor banned
21:13.25ImperiosActually
21:13.25ImperiosRelegating politics to a specific channel might work
21:13.31ImperiosI think the SCP IRC did that
21:13.39Charles_BotYeah, people generally use a thesaurus to sound more educated. I use a thesaurus to sound less pretentious >.<
21:13.44The_Randomnesslol
21:14.05ImperiosLike relegating the most touchy topics to their own channels
21:14.25ImperiosI think their list of "touchy topics" included religion, politics, and My Little Pony
21:15.28The_Randomnessyes, that was it
21:15.28ImperiosWe can do it
21:15.28The_RandomnessI don't think it's necessary
21:15.28MonetDo we need it though?
21:15.28ImperiosThat is the question
21:15.31Charles_BotI'm not sure fracturing the community further is a good idea, though
21:15.34ImperiosI mean four users being alienated is a lot and we also have like a tendency to make arguments
21:15.40Imperiosabout politics
21:15.48Imperiosmake arguments about politics
21:16.20Imperiosshit
21:16.20Charles_BotIf Cyrannian is staying in #Cyrannus
21:16.20ImperiosTHat's not even proper English is it
21:16.20Charles_BotAnd Oluap and Impy are sticking to Skype
21:16.29Charles_BotHaving all of the politics users go to their own channel will just make #Sporewiki less active
21:16.36MonetSporewiki, unlike SCP, is a very small community; we don't get random highly vitriolic outbursts from visiting trolls.
21:16.37The_Randomnessyes
21:17.28ZF101I think, even when we disagree, we can still kinda understand each other on some level. I've never seen things get really out of hand here.
21:17.49Charles_BotNot recently, anyway
21:18.14The_RandomnessCharles_Bot: You know if you'll be available today for collabverse stuff? c:
21:18.22XhoIt does get out of hand once a year usually
21:18.40MonetSporewiki's IRC environment is small enough that we know the people (to an extent) behind vitriolic outbursts
21:18.41ImperiosYeah I guess the... fantasy crew will get better eventuaklly
21:19.23TechnobliteratorIt's extremely easy to make sidechannels split from the main one
21:20.11MonetSomewhere big like SCP will likely have a few regulars that won't shut up on their controversial opinions.
21:20.29The_Randomnessyeah, and we don't have that issue
21:20.58The_RandomnessSure, sometimes it flares up a little bit, but it's not often, or severe enough to warrant that sort of action
21:21.12Charles_Bot^
21:21.17DrodoSemiAway^
21:21.23TechnobliteratorHITLER DID NOTHING WRONG
21:21.36Monet^ We don't have anyone like that
21:21.40TechnobliteratorIndeed
21:21.41ImperiosTHAT'S WHY WE WON THE WAR
21:21.54ImperiosWHEN HE KILLED HIMSELF HE DID NOTHING WRONG
21:21.55ImperiosMWAHAHAHA
21:22.04ImperiosAight anyway
21:22.06Technobliteratorhitler was the greatest hero of world war II
21:22.08Technobliteratorhe killed hitlery
21:22.13Technobliterator-y
21:22.19ImperiosThe story issue is I think more important
21:22.34ImperiosWe really need more small adventure stories
21:22.56Wormy__In light of all this death in the Sporewikiverse I might wrap up most of my fiction plans into a grand overview and then work on modernising my articles
21:23.37Wormy__I can finally be free of all that responsibility
21:24.00ImperiosThat's actually how I thought we could work on our stories
21:24.10ImperiosGrand projects are always disastrous (think Borealis War)
21:24.23ImperiosSmall stories when independent are not that interesting
21:24.38ImperiosWhat about the myth arc format, as seen in many TV shows?
21:24.40ImperiosLike guys
21:25.05TechnobliteratorHow was the Borealis War disastrous
21:25.18ImperiosYou had a mental breakdown closer to the end of the story
21:25.53ImperiosI had a mental breakdown during Tantum Mortimer
21:26.09ImperiosI fucking died when I failed to finish my plot back then
21:26.10Wormy__See how much I have to do, I'll never get it all done, and tbh I just don't feel like getting it all done in story form anymore.  My enjoyment for writing fiction is more spontanious than pre-planned http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Fiction_and_things_to_do#Fiction
21:26.34TechnobliteratorI...didn't?
21:26.59ImperiosWell remember the whole Zaarkhun disaster
21:27.09ImperiosWhen the work on the war stopped for weeks
21:27.25ImperiosAnd if not you, what about everyone else?
21:27.29ImperiosWe lost breath
21:27.33ImperiosMetaphorically speaking
21:27.37ImperiosNow what I am suggesting
21:27.39TechnobliteratorI do not recall
21:27.47ImperiosRemember?
21:27.54ImperiosWhen Zaarkhun's motivations were revealed
21:27.55TechnobliteratorNope
21:27.57ImperiosEveryone criticised you
21:28.01ImperiosYou don't remember?
21:28.02TechnobliteratorI don't remember
21:28.04Imperiosreally?
21:28.07TechnobliteratorNo
21:28.13TechnobliteratorI believe you
21:28.14Imperiosdamn you goldfish lady
21:28.15Technobliteratorbut I don't remember
21:28.38ImperiosMy point is, people get exhausted closer to the end
21:28.45TechnobliteratorI remember that happening
21:28.46ImperiosAs for the myth arc
21:28.51ImperiosHas anyone watched MLP or Gravity Falls or X-Files or Babylon 5?
21:28.55Wormy__Probably forgotten for a good reason :P
21:29.03Wormy__I LOVE Babylon 5
21:29.08Quark8Gravity Falls and MLP I have watched.
21:29.17Quark8MLP = My Little Pony, right?
21:29.57MonetI've seen bits of X-files
21:29.59ImperiosQuark8: Right, Gravity Falls and MLP: FiM
21:30.03ImperiosI'll use these are examples
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21:30.16ImperiosRemember Season 4 of MLP?
21:30.30ImperiosOr season 5?
21:31.03ImperiosEvery episode was independent, and yet contained clues for the overarching storyline, and had common themes like cutie marks for season 5 or virtues for season 5
21:31.26ImperiosSaid themes would eventually culminate in the finale
21:31.27Quark8Yeah.
21:31.35ImperiosSo what if we use that kind of writing
21:31.37ZF101I need to get back into Ponies. My hype for the rebooted Bionicle has distracted me recently.
21:31.44Quark8What does FiM mean?
21:31.45ImperiosShort stories, each independent
21:31.50ImperiosFriendship is Magic
21:31.55Quark8Ah.
21:32.06MonetWormy_ Imperios_: Doctor Who also does that
21:32.45ImperiosC
21:32.51Wormy_Overbiews bits tthe writers didn't do in detail?
21:32.58ImperiosRight guys
21:33.01ImperiosWho's with me?
21:33.07ImperiosI will do jackshit as always
21:33.11ImperiosBut at least I provided an idea
21:33.50ZF101I like it.
21:33.51Wormy_Imperios, Monet:  Actually many chunks of my stories did have an overaching theme just like that, only I concentrated on writing them piecemeal
21:33.56Quark8I like it.
21:34.13MonetCould work.
21:34.24Imperiosyiy
21:34.32ImperiosLet's try it on Shattering
21:34.42ImperiosMonet: Promise I will RP tomorrow
21:34.45Wormy_I.e. Attero-Dominatus, DCP-Vermulan War and GXS follow the same theme for the DCP:  the archetype of apocalypse and decay
21:34.46ImperiosIf not, fucking force me
21:34.47MonetWars tend to play out like that - a to-and-fro of conquests and operations, with a few narratives sprinked inbetween
21:36.13Charles_BotTotal wars*
21:36.42Charles_BotI've been focusing on a lot of limited conflicts lately
21:36.45Wormy_That gives me an idea actually.  My grand overview page for incomplete fictions could be tied together by thematic sections
21:37.35MonetI also need to get the meat of the Third House War rolling
21:37.41Wormy_I would need community support for stuff like the exploration of hyperspace
21:37.53Wormy_Since that would transcend my fiction
21:38.23Wormy_That is, involve more than just my stuff
21:39.21ImperiosAlso I have been thinking
21:39.29Wormy_Hm, I like this idea.  Because then I can write short stories more spontaneously, which what I prefer and add meat to the bones
21:39.37ImperiosPersonally I think RP writing has been both a boon and a curse for the community
21:39.55Wormy_I might agree, but could you elaborate?
21:40.15MonetUnrelated not, https://twitter.com/IGN/status/756235601884700673 SQUIRTLE SQUAD IT'S BEEN SO LONG!
21:41.03MonetImperios: RP is good for dialogue, not so good for naval or ground battles.
21:41.09ImperiosYeah
21:41.22ImperiosAlso it makes every collab that includes several people a bore
21:41.24Wormy__RP is also a pain to deal with as we get older
21:42.11ImperiosYou know perhaps we could do a collab or two the old-fashioned way?
21:42.14MonetFor those a better direction is to work out the events of the battle.
21:42.21ImperiosEach person makes a section of their own?
21:42.24ZF101What me and the Mirus gang do is,since we have trouble RPing, we trust eachother to write dialogue for our characters, and make revisions to what they say if need be.
21:43.06Wormy__It might be redundant to, as long as we understand each other's characters well enough, I've found that I can use other people's characters and vise versa quite faithfully, especially if I communicate with the user who created that character
21:43.09Wormy__too
21:43.56MonetYeah.
21:44.02Charles_BotVery few people understand or take the time to understand what I write though :(
21:44.20MonetI've gotten fairly good at playing Tyraz for instance.
21:44.33Wormy__I'm good ar playing Loron characters for some reason
21:44.43Charles_BotOlol
21:45.00Wormy__Oluap and Techno also handle Titanozor as well as I do
21:45.08MonetWhenever there was a scene in Realm of Giants that involved Tyraz and Mithra, I always played Tyraz.
21:46.24Charles_BotIt gets a bit more complicated with non-combat characters, though
21:48.38XhoI don't bother with users trying to understand my fiction anymore
21:48.45XhoShit gets complicated in places
21:50.24MonetBetter to let them work it out themselves I guess
21:50.33Wormy__The favourite kind of story I like writing involve speculative SF, that has a niche audience here tbh
21:52.18The_RandomnessThat's the sort of stuff I enjoy too
21:52.25MonetThat highlights another issue - there's an inverse correlation between context complexity and approachability
21:52.42MonetBut that happens everywhere.
22:10.14Charles_Bot^ That's good insight.
22:12.12Charles_BotZF101 I really like the crossovers I have with the Mirusian fictions. Though there's been a few rough spots, we've been making some very interesting content by blending ideas
22:17.28Wormy_Monet http://phys.org/news/2016-07-scientists-glitters-realistic-graphics.html
22:18.02MonetAt times I've tried experimenting with discussing a chapter with someone then going off two write it up myself.
22:19.03MonetWormy_: The method developed by Ramamoorthi and colleagues is 100 times faster than the current state of the art.
22:19.03MonetRead more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-07-scientists-glitters-realistic-graphics.html#jCp anything that speeds up rendering while not sacrificing quality is always a boon.
22:19.15The_Randomness:o
22:19.24MonetWait...SIGGRAPH 2016.
22:19.51MonetAhh fuck! I considered volunteering for, or at least, attending that event.
22:19.57The_Randomnessrip
22:20.46MonetI sent in an application form months ago, they said they were impressed but ultimately turned me down.
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22:21.22ZF101Sorry I cut out there Charles.
22:21.40ZF101But, yeah I've enjoyed the interactions as well.
22:22.06Wormy_Wonder if its fast enough for real time CG
22:22.40Wormy_Even in FO4 reflective materials look matte at best
22:24.13MonetWell this is a chrome car in GTA http://prod.cloud.rockstargames.com/ugc/gta5photo/1188/TL-FMxBRZUWSQmM7DNugIA/0_0.jpg
22:24.22Charles_BotZF101 What do you think should happen next for the Covenant?
22:25.11MonetI've spoken to lecturers about the tricks video games use and according to them most of this stuff is baked in.
22:25.45ZF101Mendel get drunk and say "SCREW YOU!" but then do nothing.
22:25.47Wormy_Even then I bet if you went up close it'd just look smooth like a mirror
22:26.27MonetOh yeah the chrome on those cars is pretty-much a mirror.
22:27.43ZF101In all seriousness, the Mendel are going to come under the control of a major Arsehole who wants to kill and all Xonexi and that jazz. Barda's daughter is going to take a hammer, and with a bunch of friends, go on a Bizarre adventure that ends in many skulls cracked.
22:27.59MonetReal-time rendering is always the dream. But one of the advantages of frames that take a couple of minutes each to render is that you don't need some top-grade GPU to make it.
22:28.11Wormy_indeed
22:30.28MonetTweeted because, yknow, this shit must be known.
22:30.53Wormy__indeed
22:34.04ZF101Charles_Bot Did you get all that?
22:34.50Charles_BotEnded at "skulls cracked"
22:34.57Charles_BotIf so, yes
22:35.34ZF101Yeah, basically trying to prevent a madman from starting a war the Mendel can't win.
23:04.06Quark8test
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23:25.48Quark8Hello Liquid Ink.
23:26.02Liquid_InkHey
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