IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160609

00:00.07Wormy_Anyway, does anyone know what happened to Oluap?
00:00.19DrodoEmpireNope
00:00.21TechnobliteratorDrodo, I was only mad at people dogpiling on me and trying to tell me to stfu
00:00.42DrodoEmpireWhere was this dogpile? :p
00:00.43TechnobliteratorAnd threatening me
00:00.55DrodoEmpireAnd I never threatened you or told you to "shut the fuck up"
00:01.09DrodoEmpireYou're making stuff up now, that isn't productive
00:01.20TechnobliteratorI wouldn't have continued talking if it weren't for that
00:01.48MonetWHen it comes to political discussion, strong opinions are like water to a chip pan fire.
00:01.56Wormy_Some comments above probably do look aggravating to someone having a political rant, but its probably miscommunication
00:03.08TechnobliteratorI kind of put myself on the spot for talking at all
00:04.02MonetTechnobliterator: I've had that feeling before.
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00:04.10Technobliterator\o/
00:04.25AnonyLurkHello.
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00:04.49TechnobliteratorI really
00:04.55Technobliteratorhave not kept up with this place much
00:05.00Technobliteratorand this time, I don't have much of an excuse
00:05.00DrodoEmpireHi Anon, hi Charles
00:05.03Technobliteratorsince my year is finished
00:05.09Technobliteratori've just been lazy
00:05.30MonetHello
00:06.43DrodoEmpireHmm... I wonder if I should make the Fictionverse Keemstar, just for shits and giggles <.<
00:07.00DrodoEmpirePosts fake drama between fiction characters on the UDB
00:07.04TechnobliteratorI don't know what that is a reference to
00:07.11DrodoEmpireEats space-popcorn, is general cancer
00:07.16DrodoEmpireAh
00:07.41DrodoEmpireHe's the guy who runs DramaAlert, which is a "news" show about drama between internet people
00:07.44DrodoEmpireSad I know
00:08.00Technobliteratoroh, I've heard about that
00:08.04TechnobliteratorIt seems really pointless
00:08.08DrodoEmpireHe's also a general asshole who has no ethical standards
00:08.22DrodoEmpireAnd, of course, is a gnome
00:08.24DrodoEmpire<.<
00:08.50Technobliteratorpffft
00:08.58AnonyLurkhttp://2016.presidential-candidates.org/?other=other
00:10.07Technobliteratorhah, it's funny you bring that up
00:10.18Technobliteratorwhen we just had a discussion about people not wanting to bring that up
00:10.53DrodoEmpireI'd sooner not bring up the drama, but it seems like political drama is more preferable to wiki drama
00:11.08DrodoEmpire:p
00:11.17DrodoEmpireI'll just not discuss it, I guess. You kids have fun <.<
00:11.20Technobliteratoris there wiki drama that I've been missing?
00:11.28DrodoEmpireJust our little debacle, Tech
00:11.38Technobliteratoroh, I don't count that
00:11.48TechnobliteratorI don't count drama that won't be remembered within 5 minutes of it ending
00:11.57Technobliteratoror
00:11.59Technobliteratornot by me anyway
00:13.35DrodoEmpireFair enough
00:13.36TechnobliteratorWasn't drom back the other day?
00:13.42DrodoEmpireNot sure
00:14.13TechnobliteratorI have a lot of CSS work that I still need to do here, but keep forgetting
00:14.30TechnobliteratorI was hoping he was back so he could help out
00:14.31TechnobliteratorBut alas
00:20.46Wormy_He had a little visit, yes.
01:08.27Wormy_bye
01:42.10DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Tahai#Tourist_Breakdown - Add your own
02:43.03DrodoEmpirecame onto a livestream, with a live subscriber count for Pyrocynical at the exact right time
02:43.19DrodoEmpire1 000 040 subs currently. People were still flipping out. XD
02:59.37Technobliteratorsighs
02:59.56Technobliteratortoday has quite possibly been the worst day of the year so far
03:00.00TechnobliteratorSo much went wrong today
03:00.23MonetIt was a fairly normal day for me.
03:01.08Technobliteratorto me it was was just one awful moment after another
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04:34.21Patriot868hello
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08:06.46Groxkiller98Hey.
08:12.53Groxkiller98Guys? You all afk?
08:13.04Liquid_InkMore or less
08:13.16Groxkiller98Fair enough...
08:13.41Groxkiller98I'm in college with literally no work left to do.
08:23.25Groxkiller98So... Anyone wanna collab on anything?
08:27.18Groxkiller98No? :<
08:27.38TechnobliteratorI mean, well
08:27.43Technobliteratorthere aren't that many people here
08:27.51Technobliteratorand most of the ones who are here are afk
08:31.42Groxkiller98Yeah...
08:32.13Groxkiller98I only ever seem to get on when it's quiet. >_>
08:35.37Groxkiller98I also have 2 and a half hours of no classes after this...
08:36.04Groxkiller98But I can't leave because I have coding class after that!
08:44.33Groxkiller98Also, the Sporepedia is blocked here. >_>
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08:57.28Wormy_hi
08:59.10Groxkiller98Hey!
08:59.56Groxkiller98You good?
09:01.51Groxkiller98So... I came across Kalcedia Myran...
09:01.57Groxkiller98http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kalcedia_Myran
09:02.02Groxkiller98Did not expect that!
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09:02.40Groxkiller98Hey, Ghelae.
09:02.43GhelaeHello.
09:03.55Groxkiller98I came across http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kalcedia_Myran
09:04.08Groxkiller98I did not expect what I read.
09:04.19GhelaeWell, you learn something new every day.
09:05.26Groxkiller98Yep...
09:05.37Groxkiller98“I've seized enough secret pornography stashes from my troops to know too much about her.” WTF
09:05.53Groxkiller98That's actually been written by someone?
09:07.36Groxkiller98And I thought an off-hand remark in a project I'm writing about nudity would be risky...
09:13.29Groxkiller98Would anyone mind helping me write http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Mithadorn_Republic/War_Clans/Red_Devils
09:13.57Groxkiller98Please? I need ideas to flesh out some of my clans.
09:14.56Wormy_You've discovered Hachiman's fiction.
09:15.16Wormy_I cant do any writing until next week
09:20.59Groxkiller98Okay.
09:26.05Groxkiller98I'm still so shocked about Kalcedia Myran... I sorta want to see how she'd react to a Mithadorn. But I also don't.
09:27.16Groxkiller98I gotta run. Later!
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09:33.12Liquid_INkEveryone died?
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09:47.28Wormy_"You are banned from this server"
09:48.06Wormy_I don't really understand what is going on in american university campuses http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/05/30/the-new-activism-of-liberal-arts-colleges
09:49.07Wormy_My experience of college and uni, and I've been to four institutions already, is that students:  1) want a degree  2) want to have fun
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10:00.19Groxkiller98Hey.
10:01.51GhelaeHello.
10:06.16Groxkiller98I have a feeling my game engine will be usable for actual games soon. ;3
10:06.37Groxkiller98Could maybe make that game based on the fictionverse that came up a while back,
10:06.45Groxkiller98Powered by Purple Rain!
10:10.16Groxkiller98That sound good? :3
10:11.30Wormy_That's a possibility
10:12.57Groxkiller98Could make a game for each galaxy...
10:13.05Groxkiller98Or something supermassive with them all!
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11:23.18TreebeardHello
11:23.37AdmiralPandaEvening
11:24.20GhelaeHello.
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11:54.59AdmiralPandawell, SWRP continues to amaze me with its stupidity
11:55.06AdmiralPandaclones shooting down a transport carrying wounded Jedi... smooth
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12:00.24Groxkiller98Hey!
12:00.50AdmiralPandahi
12:00.55Groxkiller98Been messing with Purple Rain a bit. I think it might actually work for a game based on the fictionverse.
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12:34.17Groxkiller98It feels too quiet...
12:35.01Liquid_InkNoise is an illusion, and so is death.
12:35.14Groxkiller98Okay?
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12:35.53Groxkiller98Hey.
12:36.23TreebeardHello
12:37.47Wormy_Oluap!  We were getting worried.
12:39.24OluapPlayerHi
12:39.42OluapPlayerI've been sick all week. Only just starting to feel better
12:40.47Wormy_Ouch
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12:53.37JepardiHi
12:54.56Groxkiller98Hey.
13:04.54Groxkiller98AFK
13:19.11Groxkiller98Back.
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14:06.52Groxkiller98Hey/
14:08.30TreebeardHello
14:11.08Groxkiller98Anyone wanna collab on anything?
14:12.07AdmiralPandadepends what you had in mind
14:12.57Groxkiller98Trade, alliances, stories, wars. Anything works, really.
14:23.08Groxkiller98So... Anyone?
14:24.03AdmiralPandasorry, kinda multitasking
14:25.11Groxkiller98Anyone else?
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14:49.51CyrannianHi
14:52.24Groxkiller98Hey!
14:54.22Groxkiller98Nobody will collaborate with me... :<
14:59.05MonetA few of us are somewhat busy with our ow nthings
14:59.11MonetThis is also a quiet time of day.
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15:03.28Groxkiller98_Did I just DC again?
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15:04.06OluapPlayer~kill Cyrannian
15:04.06infobotACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudoproton gun at Cyrannian
15:04.34MonetGroxkiller: [15:59:00] <Monet> A few of us are somewhat busy with our ow nthings
15:04.35Monet[15:59:07] <Monet> This is also a quiet time of day.
15:04.37Cyrannian~smash OluapPlayer
15:04.38infobotACTION flings an anvil in OluapPlayer's general direction
15:08.46Groxkiller98_I need to go.
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15:15.35ImpyDroidHi
15:15.44ImpyDroidMonet: http://haruspis.tumblr.com/post/145657937818/skyvalker-a-pair-of-starfighters-jedi I fucking died
15:20.28CyrannianJesus I was just reading Haruspis' tumblr a few minutes ago
15:23.37MonetI gt tohugh three panels and got into "ok-kayyyy" territory
15:27.36ImpyDroidAre these 50 Shades of Gray quotes?
15:31.27MonetNo idea
15:31.32MonetWouldn't surprise me
15:34.34Cyrannianhttp://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=697593528 - ooh the perfect mod for me
15:38.04MonetThos'll be perfect for your Stellaris NCR
15:38.19OluapPlayerI was expecting something to do with dinosaurs
15:38.22AdmiralPandaStellaris NCR?
15:38.37AdmiralPandaoh right Cyrannus
15:38.42AdmiralPandawas thinking New California Republic
15:38.47OluapPlayerWrong NCR
15:38.53TreebeardIs there one for the Empire?
15:39.06CyrannianCan't seem to find one
15:39.21AdmiralPandaOluapPlayer: Guess what my group's new CosPVP is
15:39.33CyrannianThough the Nebula Star Destroyer is the only ship used by the SW New Republic that I actually like
15:39.34OluapPlayerdon't know
15:40.01CyrannianOluapPlayer: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=697593528 - no dinosaurs in the game, I wasn't having any of that
15:40.02AdmiralPandahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7zoZe-ZATs
15:40.16MonetCyrannian: Either we merely need to wait for an EMpire mod or there's not much interest due to the relative uniformity of the EMpire's navy.
15:40.17CyrannianWrong link
15:40.28OluapPlayerRight
15:40.48Cyrannianhttp://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/269465930025739591/39CAB78C08C6BDCF597CBE57150E0FBFC92F022C/ - dere
15:41.31MonetSince aside from the smallest designs, the empire's warships are basically varying sizes of arrowhead with a little knobbly thing on top.
15:42.10CyrannianThere's a UNSC and Covenant mod that I'll try out later
15:42.59CyrannianCan't see any Star Trek ones though
15:44.38MonetUnique ship models might be a little rarer due to the software required ot make them.
15:45.15CyrannianIndeed
15:49.12MonetBack when GalCiv came out it was packaged witho about ten races that each had a 3D model and animated background
15:49.44MonetThe vast majority of workshop races however used flat images. I'm not even sure if a 3D faction leader exists
15:49.53MonetSame goes for Beyond Earth.
15:50.10Monetworkshop-made 3D faction leader*
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15:52.09MonetHi
15:52.24HachimanHello
15:53.08TreebeardHello
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15:53.40TreebeardHello
15:53.46Groxkiller98Hey again.
15:53.59MonetHello
15:54.10MonetHachiman: I'm really getting into listening to Arch Warhammer.
15:54.24Groxkiller98I see more people are online!
15:54.39HachimanArch Warhammer is cool
15:54.44HachimanI also like Vaults of Terra
15:57.55MonetI first watched his video on hives and instantly fell in love as he spent what was it, ten minutes? something like that just trying to get across how abysmally shitty lower hives tend to be
15:58.33HachimanAye
15:58.34Monet"Goham on steroids" "Batman wouldn't last a f***g week down here"
15:59.33Groxkiller98What's this about?
15:59.36MonetActually that second point is rather hilarious considering how some hives have abhuman popoulations that are basically Killer Croc.
15:59.53HachimanI like how in one video about Warhammer FB's Orks he described Orkish magic as being so random and potentially destructive that the best case scenario is for the Ork caster in question to somehow turn himself into a mushroom so he can never hurt anyone ever again
16:00.28Groxkiller98Is this Warhammer 40K or Warhammer Fantasy?
16:00.40HachimanMonet's on about 40k
16:00.51HachimanImperial hive cities and such
16:00.52Groxkiller9840K is awesome. :3
16:01.06HachimanMost of it is
16:01.21Groxkiller98I have the Space Marine game on PS3, and a huge Space Marine army for the table-top game.
16:01.37Groxkiller98I bought five Black Reach sets for it. >_>
16:01.58HachimanEw, Space Marines hur
16:02.00MonetFive?
16:02.04Groxkiller98Yep.
16:02.24Groxkiller98And one of the Dreadnoughts had a faulty foot. >_>
16:03.12Groxkiller98My Mithadorn War Clans are inspired by the Space Marine Chapters.
16:03.27MonetDon't those packs cost like £50 each?
16:03.34Groxkiller98They do...
16:03.42Groxkiller98Some cost £80...
16:03.53MonetSo...why not jsut buy the individual units?
16:04.09Groxkiller98Because it was easier to buy them en-mass.
16:04.21Groxkiller98It also gave me a sizeable Ork army.
16:04.43Groxkiller98Dressed those all in red. :P
16:04.59Groxkiller98"Red goes fasta!"
16:06.25Groxkiller98On another note, http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Captain:Kalcedia_Myran still boggles me.
16:06.42Groxkiller98How is that not considered obscene?
16:06.43ImpyDroidYeah Space Marines suck
16:06.48ImpyDroidIt is obscene
16:06.53ImpyDroidBut we can do obscene things
16:06.57Groxkiller98...
16:07.09MonetAs long as its not porn it's green here.
16:07.38Groxkiller98I suppose that greenlights the story I'm working on with Karnek then.
16:07.55OluapPlayerNot even the most obscene character made by that person
16:08.04Groxkiller98Has an off-hand remark about a group without their armuor on.
16:08.06Groxkiller98...
16:08.26AdmiralPandagenerally we don't care that much as long as it's something you could reasonably say in a public space
16:09.00Groxkiller98Fair enough.
16:09.22ImpyDroidOur stuff is like
16:09.27ImpyDroid16+ I think
16:09.34AdmiralPandaranges really
16:09.52AdmiralPandamine drifts into 18+ because I get really descriptive when it comes to combat, but yeah it's mostly that
16:10.01Groxkiller98Alright.
16:10.13ImpyDroidIt depends on the person though
16:10.23Groxkiller98I'm now having second thoughts on a fictionverse game...
16:10.30MonetRegarding buying 5 kits of Black Reach. That stuff also only gives you the basics for an army
16:10.34ImpyDroidI do not have any sexuality in my fiction for example
16:10.46ImpyDroidOr any succesful romantic relationships for that matter
16:10.48OluapPlayerOther than an obsession with lesbians
16:10.50Groxkiller98Some people + Fanfiction/Fanart... It could still end poorly.
16:10.58ImpyDroid>poorly
16:11.03ImpyDroidWhat do you mean
16:11.10Groxkiller98Eh. In porn.
16:11.16AdmiralPandaMonet: Black Reach? You buying them from disposal or something?
16:11.24ImpyDroidAs if that is something problematic
16:11.43ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: But my lesbians do not get any sex either
16:11.44Groxkiller98I would question you on that, but this is the internet.
16:11.44AdmiralPanda^ aaaand that's why we have the rule of common sense :PO
16:11.55MonetAdmiralPanda: No. Groxkiller said he bought five Black Reach kits.
16:12.06ImpyDroidNOONE IN MY FICTION GETS LAID
16:12.08AdmiralPandaBlack Reach is out of production though
16:12.09ImpyDroidNOONE
16:12.15Groxkiller98I bought it a while back.
16:12.19ImpyDroidEVERY RELATIONSHIP WILL END IN DEATH
16:12.25ImpyDroidEVERY SINGLE RELATIONSHIP
16:12.29Groxkiller98When Games Workshop still sold it.
16:12.57AdmiralPandayeah, the new one's CSM and edgymarines
16:13.02AdmiralPandaby that I mean Dark Angels
16:13.35ImpyDroidDo not offend Dark Angels plz
16:13.38MonetThe thing that concerns me is that means you have five captains and five squads of terminators - more than what you'll probably use outside of anything but an APocalypse battle.
16:13.41ImpyDroidYou might be accused of homophobia
16:14.03Groxkiller98Are we still interested by a fictionverse game, anyway?
16:14.04AdmiralPandaI get accused of homosexuality so that ain't a fear of mine :P
16:14.15ImpyDroidI remember me converting spare models in retarded ways as a kid
16:14.38OluapPlayerInterested, sure. But I don't see it actually happening
16:14.41Groxkiller98I still have an entire Biker Squad doing wheelies.
16:14.49ImpyDroidAnd by retarded I mean "combine several Ork bodies and a bull totem head into a Greater demon
16:14.51Groxkiller98I have a game engine being made. I could make it.
16:15.11ImpyDroid*Daemon
16:15.17ImpyDroidTry doing something like that
16:15.32ImpyDroidConvert the spare Terminators into a makeshift Centurion
16:15.48ImpyDroidAnd then paint it red and pretend it was looted by Orks
16:16.01Groxkiller98Red things go faster!
16:16.05ImpyDroidWAAAAGH
16:16.18Groxkiller98*Shoots ImpyDroid*
16:16.25ImpyDroidHilariously enough that rule works for other races as well
16:16.32Groxkiller98It does?
16:16.40ImpyDroidSaim-hann, Blood Angels, World Eaters etc.
16:16.50Groxkiller98Blood Angels are cool...
16:16.53ImpyDroidAll red and all speed-oriented
16:16.56ImpyDroidAnd fast
16:17.04AdmiralPandaWorld Eaters aren't exactly fast
16:17.25Groxkiller98When do we get a gamemode that has no turn limit?
16:17.28MonetGroxkiller98: So far the sporewiki game idea is something we're mainly entertaining. Game development is not something many of us would do straight off the bat
16:17.29ImpyDroidDon't they have charging bonuses
16:17.58AdmiralPandathat just kinda comes with working for Khorne
16:18.10MonetPersonally I propose we make a more independant-from-spore franchise until we start talking video games.
16:18.21ImpyDroidWell Khorne's colour is red
16:18.25Monetbefore we start*
16:18.30ImpyDroidAnd his daemons are pretty fast
16:18.32AdmiralPandawhich is why the World Eaters wear red
16:18.36Groxkiller98Warhammer 40K: "Basically life sucks, there's only war and you're probably going to get eaten by Tyranids. Have fun."
16:18.46ImpyDroidNot even the Dark Gods can deny Ork logic
16:18.48AdmiralPandasaying Khorne daemons are fast when Slaanesh and Tzeentch exist :P
16:19.02ImpyDroidFair point
16:19.35ImpyDroidWell if I remember correctly Bloodthirsters and Lords of Change were the fastest Greater Daemons
16:19.46AdmiralPandaBloodthirsters have wings
16:19.59AdmiralPandaas do Lords of Change for that matter
16:20.01ImpyDroidAnd that is like 20 inch speed
16:20.04ImpyDroidI think
16:20.07AdmiralPandain terms of foot speed it's Keeper of Secrets
16:20.07Groxkiller98Naive Space Commies!
16:20.53AdmiralPandafliers move at the speed of fuck you
16:21.01AdmiralPandanot you specifically, just you in general
16:21.24AdmiralPandaespecially flying monstrous creatures *shudders*
16:21.29Monet"red wunz go fasta" is mainly an arky thing because only an Orc would buy the logic that "this thing is red, red makes things faster just because, there fore this thing wil lgo faster because it's red"
16:21.33ImpyDroidMonet: We could set the game in a theme park version of SporeWiki
16:21.36ImpyDroidMCU-style
16:21.47ImpyDroidStreamline the verse and make it more groundrd
16:22.15AdmiralPandaanyway it's an Ork thing because Ork tech works on Ork belief
16:22.44Groxkiller98What about having it like Mass Effect, but with our fiction?
16:23.33MonetI think the theme park idea might work.
16:23.58MonetWHen you have a setting like ours one of the big dangers of someone whose not a lore-buff is the quicksand box effect
16:24.27Groxkiller98True...
16:24.38HachimanThat reminds me, played an Ork in a Pathfinder one-shot last night; went mano a mano with a drider after tanking some of its spells and two-round KO'd it with a chainsaw
16:24.41Groxkiller98Work with it one galaxy at a time?
16:25.03ImpyDroidWe could easily get rid of the sillier parts of our fiction that we cannot remove in the wiki because we are too nostalgic
16:25.19ImpyDroidLike I would rename Radeons
16:25.28ImpyDroidAnd make them less furry/space mice
16:25.35HachimanI would revise / get rid of Kezoreg but I can't
16:25.37Groxkiller98https://1d4chan.org/wiki/File:Prospero.jpg
16:25.41HachimanMainly because too much canon
16:25.56ImpyDroidGroxkiller98: FUCK YOU WOLVES
16:26.01ImpyDroidMAGNUS 4EVR
16:26.03HachimanFUCK OFF TZEENTCH-WANKER
16:26.05HachimanAWOO
16:26.09ImpyDroidFURRIES SUCK
16:26.14Groxkiller98I am a furry!
16:26.14ImpyDroidFUCK YOUR NORSE FURRIES
16:26.18ImpyDroidWOLF YOUR WOLVES
16:26.28ImpyDroidSo are Hachiman and I
16:26.33HachimanFUCKING NERDS
16:26.43HachimanI'm not a furry
16:26.55ImpyDroidYes you are
16:27.03Groxkiller98I can't stand the hate against furries in the Warhammer 40K community. >_>
16:27.07ImpyDroidWell we are not furries in that we do not involve themselves in the community
16:27.11ImpyDroidBut we used to
16:27.15HachimanI'm not a furry period hur
16:27.17Technobliterator"in the Warhammer 40k community"
16:27.22HachimanThat was a long ass time ago
16:27.22Technobliteratoryeah, urm
16:27.25ImpyDroidAnd now sort of regret it
16:27.26Technobliteratorit's a pretty widespread thing
16:27.27Groxkiller98I'm going now.
16:27.35ImpyDroidNow what was I about
16:27.37ImpyDroidAh yes
16:27.51ImpyDroidYIFF IN HELL SPACE WOLVES
16:27.57TechnobliteratorI don't really care either one
16:28.06Technobliteratorbut it's hardly limited to the 40k community
16:28.34MonetWell, Charles and I have written a couple of more grounded stories that have helped introduce things
16:28.42ImpyDroidNobody likes furries hur
16:29.06HachimanIt's not that I don't like furries; I just don't want to be around them or for them to even exist even
16:29.32OluapPlayerSo you don't like them
16:29.43ImpyDroidI am waiting for this Latar x Hachi femdom story plz
16:29.48Hachimannon
16:29.48ImpyDroidYOU PROMISED ME
16:29.59MonetWe wrote one story that included mention and exploration of the DI, France, Andromeda, the Andromeda War and the destruction of Alvadi IV. As wel las showing humans in trhe DI.
16:30.14ImpyDroidRadeon - FUCKING     MONKEYS
16:32.05ImpyDroidI do not think I have any furry friends though I have my... suspicions
16:32.08HachimanI wonder what would happen if I revealed that the dorky, kind good personality Hachi has is actually an alter ego for a super demented and chaotic, bloodthirsty true persona
16:32.16ImpyDroidNot counting Hachi of course
16:32.18HachimanAnd how much backlash I would get
16:32.35OluapPlayerThat would require you to update his page
16:32.37ImpyDroidThis would be stupid and edgy
16:32.40OluapPlayerSo it wouldn't happen either way
16:32.45Hachimanfug]
16:33.02MonetALso isn't that an apt description of Pinakmena?
16:33.11HachimanFucking
16:33.12ImpyDroidThat changes my opinion
16:33.15ImpyDroidYes change it
16:33.22ImpyDroidChange Hachi
16:33.22HachimanNo fuck off hur
16:33.25ImpyDroidYES
16:33.29ImpyDroidCUP
16:33.32ImpyDroidFUCKING
16:33.34ImpyDroidCAKES
16:34.01OluapPlayerI come back from 2 days of violent sickness to this
16:34.24ImpyDroidAs I said
16:34.36OluapPlayerNot like anyone except Wormy noticed it anyway
16:34.42HachimanI'm glad you're back
16:34.50MonetHachi is secretly waiting for the day he can jump Sarec, toss hi minto a meat grinder and make cupcakes out of him.
16:34.53ImpyDroidAs am I
16:35.09ImpyDroidMonet: So like it would taste like crocodile meat
16:36.47MonetImpyDroid: Funnily enough I never gave a tohught as to what Draconid flesh would taste like
16:39.20ImpyDroidAnyway about furries
16:39.30ImpyDroidI wish I could make Radeons look less animalistic
16:40.42HachimanI was thinking the same thing with the Lagosi and Hachi
16:41.04ImpyDroidI would keep the giant ears and the overall rodent-like appearance but probably not fur or tails
16:41.26ImpyDroidYeah if Hachi was in a game he should just be a human
16:41.40ImpyDroidProbably a cyborg or something
16:42.26OluapPlayerBut him being a bunny is part of his appeal
16:42.58HachimanWell yeah, I know that
16:43.08HachimanI'd keep Fictionverse Hachi as a bunny
16:43.44HachimanFantasyverse Hachi I feel I could have made a little more on the beast*man* side than the *beast*man side
16:43.51HachimanBut I'm sticking with it anyway hur
16:43.52ImpyDroidSo
16:43.57ImpyDroidKemonomimi?
16:44.28HachimanKinda I suppose
16:44.49OluapPlayerdats weeaboo shi
16:46.17HachimanAnd Lagosi are weaboos so
16:46.35ImpyDroidhttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/94/80/bb/9480bb1509feef625b393454253f48df.jpg Like this but cuter?
16:47.19HachimanThink Viera from Final Fantasy
16:48.57ImpyDroidhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/4/42/XII_Viera.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20100416201314 They looks kind of <3
16:49.25HachimanThey are <3
16:51.36ImpyDroidThe kind of appearance I want Radeons to have is a very wiry but humanoid body shape, a mostly human-like face but with strange proportions and crazy craniums, giant ears and probably claws and the like
16:53.14ImpyDroidMonet made a sketch like that for me once
16:54.44MonetIt was a little less human than you describe but yes
16:54.46MonetThis?
16:54.57Monethttp://img02.deviantart.net/91ea/i/2014/316/5/5/fan_art___radeon_by_spacer176-d867jqi.jpg
16:56.10ImpyDroidYeah that
16:56.26ImpyDroidThat but more humanoid
16:57.55Monet<PROTECTED>
16:58.05Monethttp://spacer176.deviantart.com/art/Fanart-High-Ordinator-Venoriel-453859769
16:58.30ImpyDroidYeah but that is their more traditional appearance
16:58.47MonetYeah it is
16:58.55ImpyDroidI wish I could remake them into something... Na'vi-like I guess
16:59.05ImpyDroidThat level of anthropomorphism
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17:16.57ImpyDroidOluapPlayer: Hm. I remember you said that "mik" in Torrent's surname is similar to "von" or "de:
17:17.15ImpyDroidDoes that mean there was a place in the Kvargo Empire called "Torrent"?
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17:20.10TreebeardHello
17:20.30TheMEOWKingHello
17:20.58TheMEOWKingCongrats for getting the Talven Empire as a featured fiction
17:21.10TreebeardThanks
17:21.51TheMEOWKingJust a quick question
17:22.02HachimanOh, congrats
17:22.41TreebeardThanks, Hachiman
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17:30.10TheMEOWKingWho here knows/plays Stellaris?
17:30.45HachimanPlayed it
17:31.02AdmiralPanda^
17:31.10AdmiralPandastill do for that matter
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17:31.27TreebeardHello
17:31.51TheMEOWKingI just realized something
17:31.55MonetHello
17:32.09ImpyDroidHachiman Monet Charles_Murray: https://youtu.be/6JjQNMD9rqk Our government actually showed that on TV
17:32.18ImpyDroidNot sure what to think of it
17:32.26TheMEOWKingAccording to the Stellaris Wiki, the Jump Drive is like a combinaison of all three FTL (Hyperspace, Warp and Wormhole)
17:32.37TheMEOWKingBut is it the case in the fiction universe too?
17:33.19MonetStellaris' jump drive is more along the lines of the warp drives form 40K
17:33.24Charles_MurrayImpyDroid: olol
17:33.40AdmiralPandaI haven't actually used jump drives yet in honesty
17:34.14AdmiralPandamy group plays with only hyperlanes available, not sure if that stops us from accessing the tech but either way haven't got it yet
17:34.35TheMEOWKingDang here goes my plan of getting a jump drive by getting all three FTL and researching for a century
17:34.41AdmiralPandaI have however got spacefaring mind-flayers
17:35.24AdmiralPandamy ships are even psionically controlled, which I love the imagery of- space mollusc in a liquid pod controlling the ship with his/her mind
17:35.32TheMEOWKingCool
17:35.46TheMEOWKingIf you want to have some real fun, get the Fight For Universe mod
17:36.05TheMEOWKingAnd then choose Ancient Legacy, you'll spawn on a ringworld with TWELVE segments
17:36.51AdmiralPandaI'm not fond of gameplay altering mods in multiplayer games
17:37.00TheMEOWKingOh
17:37.00AdmiralPandaeven if you're just using the mod in SP
17:37.05TheMEOWKingI only play on Singleplayer XD
17:37.17TheMEOWKingBut wait...could you tell me how multiplayer works?
17:37.17AdmiralPandaI just like my experience to be consistent, y'know
17:37.26TheMEOWKingDo I have to stay in front of my PC for 12 hours straight?
17:37.27AdmiralPandabasically the same way SP works, just with more players
17:37.30AdmiralPandanah you can save
17:37.41TheMEOWKingHow do you save in Multiplayer?
17:37.43TheMEOWKingSeems weird
17:37.54AdmiralPandathe host's save gets migrated to the players every time you load
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17:38.24TheMEOWKingOnly the host can save?
17:38.46AdmiralPandaanyone can save, the "host" is whoever starts the lobby, not necessarily the guy who started the original lobby for the game
17:39.25TheMEOWKingAnd...how do communications work?
17:39.36TheMEOWKingCan I send a custom message, or is it still the default options?
17:39.41AdmiralPandathere's a multiplayer text box, with private text boxes
17:39.57AdmiralPandaso you can select who you're sending messages to, and just type
17:40.06AdmiralPandaus being us though we just use TeamSpeak
17:40.14TheMEOWKingI would love some kind of "Fallen Empire" mode
17:40.19TheMEOWKing1 player is a fallen empire
17:40.22TheMEOWKingAll the others team up
17:40.27MonetBroken
17:40.29AdmiralPandathere was one point where we were literally discussing how we were going to divide up the fourth player's territory between the other three :P
17:40.44TheMEOWKingHaha XD
17:40.51AdmiralPandawe were only half joking too, he was in a really unfortunate spot
17:41.06TheMEOWKingHow long does a game lasts?
17:41.32AdmiralPandawe're at least 6-7 hours in and we're in mid game
17:41.34AdmiralPandaprobably more
17:41.57ImpyDroidHachiman Monet: Imagine the rage and salt in the Internet once the Captain Marvel movie gets closer to release
17:42.18ImpyDroidThere will certainly be accusations of pandering to feminists
17:42.28ImpyDroidOr sexual objectification
17:43.33TheMEOWKingAnd how much time since the IRL start date?
17:44.24ImpyDroidTwo years or so
17:45.06MonetImpyroid: "This film is trying to give us a strong female character? PANDERING!"
17:46.04ImpyDroidUh-huh
17:47.16Charles_MurrayHow interpretation works, in case anyone wants to do anything with it in the fictionverse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXNTArhA0Jg
17:47.40Charles_MurrayI tend not to go with the easy technology explanation and actually have interpreters do the work for French characters
17:51.23MonetCould this be achieved with software beyond modern capabilities??
17:52.27AdmiralPandaif the human mind can do it, of course
17:53.06MonetI figure that's how translator devices work.
17:53.08HachimanWhy not just have French characters speak English
17:53.44HachimanOh wait, redact that, just realized that not all aliens speak the same
17:54.03HachimanAnd that English is *not* the universal common hur
17:55.13MonetAnd some languages might not be pronouncable by human/alien anatomies
17:56.05AdmiralPandaThe Fordanta dealt with the issue by essentially formulating a new basic language, and their translators work by the above process, but with language A being translated into basic, and then into language B
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17:56.27AdmiralPandathey do of course have biological interpreters, but you can't carry one of those around in a portable and stylish case
17:56.31Charles_MurrayHachiman : Right, though a lot of French characters speak other languages (Dracid, Aratacian, etc), while other characters often are able to speak French
17:56.32OluapPlayerFuck sake I can't catch a break
17:57.18Charles_MurrayI remember one RP when a character tried to catch the French off guard by speaking their own language, but ended up conceding that that was the language in which the discussion would take place :P
17:59.14MonetCan't remember who that was
18:00.43Charles_MurrayIt was during secret negotiations between the French Colonial Empire and the Drodo Empire
18:06.47TreebeardIs the collaborative fiction page up to date?
18:07.33Charles_MurrayLink
18:07.35Charles_Murray?
18:07.42Treebeardhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Collaborative_Fiction
18:08.43Wormy_A spider and a bee just had an epic battle on my windowsill.  The spider charged but backed off when the bee instinctively pointed its stinger at the spider.  After some wrestling it spat a string of web that bee that stopped it flying away.  But before the spider could attack I free'd the bee and it flew off.  Normally I wouldn't interfere but this time I was trying to get the bee out my room but made it fall on the windowsill, so I
18:08.56Wormy_Which makes me sort of wicked, but oh well.
18:10.11Wormy_The spider had the upper hand all the time
18:10.25Wormy_despite being half the size
18:11.52Charles_MurrayTreebeard : It seems quite incomplete
18:12.20TreebeardWhat collaborative fiction is taking place at the moment, then?
18:13.46Tek0516I think a lot has slowed a bit right now as the school years finish.
18:14.14Charles_MurrayOn my end, we have the Commonwealth Civil War in Borealis, the Covenant of Mirus peace efforts, trying to keep the Eldarisian war from escalating in Bunsen
18:14.31Charles_MurrayI'm working with Impy on a fiction from 2806
18:15.35TreebeardIs there anything happening in/planned for the Milky Way?
18:15.54Charles_MurrayWe're currently working on this, actually: https://titanpad.com/MecITvbmiL
18:16.45Charles_MurrayOtherwise, the Milky Way has been at peace since Da Reckoning
18:19.08Charles_MurrayOh, there's Drodo and Yuggy's fic
18:21.13Charles_MurrayTreebeard : Here's a list of events we compiled for after the Great Xonexian Schism: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AXonexian_Golden_Age_Timeline
18:26.32Tek0516Oh yeah, forgot I have the Roreinian Civil War.
18:29.17ImpyDroidhue hue hue
18:30.03ImpyDroidCharles_Murray: I wonder how well known is 20th and 21st century history in the SporeWikiverse, among humans at least
18:31.42Charles_MurrayThere are probably some defining moments for some human nations, like WWII. History is remembered in bits and snippets, usually, and the 20th and 21st centuries aren't likely to be any different
18:32.05Charles_MurrayWhat bits and snippets are remembered depends on the identity of the human you're speaking to
18:33.13ImpyDroidThat could be a humorous snippet in a story
18:33.43ImpyDroidA character tells something about modern history and misinterprets it
18:33.44Charles_Murrayoh?
18:33.50Charles_Murrayolol
18:34.05Charles_MurrayEven in the present I encounter that all the tme
18:34.13Charles_MurrayGetting history wrong is part of being a nation
18:36.01ImpyDroid"Donald Trump, ancient warlord of western Earth known for his skillful use of fortifications"
18:36.35Charles_Murrayhaaaaah
18:37.48HachimanTrump is Dorn?
18:37.56HachimanOr Perturabo
18:38.14OluapPlayertrump is cancer that's what
18:40.17ImpyDroidHachiman: Dorn because yellow
18:43.37TreebeardImpyDroid: “he cut through the 21st Century Gallery, past the big plastic statues of Pluto and Mickey, animal headed gods of lost America”  â€• Philip Reeve, Mortal Engines
18:46.57ImpyDroidModern day Earth is about as distant from the Fictionverse as the Crusades are from us
18:47.16ImpyDroid...How accurate is the public view of the Crusades?
18:48.06Charles_MurrayNot very
18:49.26Charles_MurrayIn America at least, you can't bring up the Crusades without getting stuck in one of two camps: The Crusades were atrocities committed by a bunch of lunatics, or the Crusades were perfectly justified
18:50.24OluapPlayerThere's the third camp, which doesn't know what the Crusades are
18:50.26OluapPlayerI'm part of it
18:51.09HachimanDEUS VULT
18:51.21Charles_MurrayThere's that too
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18:51.38DrodoEmpireHi everyone
18:51.40MonetI have this theory that aliens wouldn't be able ot distinguish between WWI, WWII and the Cold War.
18:51.48MonetHello
18:52.06TreebeardHello
18:52.06Monet"they're all the same conflict, it lasted a really long time"
18:53.27DrodoEmpirePerhaps
18:53.51DrodoEmpireDepends on their political opinions, perceptions of human culture, and quality of information
18:54.12HachimanThere was peacetime between those three conflicts though
18:54.17DrodoEmpireEhh
18:54.18HachimanEven if they are related to one another
18:54.36DrodoEmpireYeah, but wars themselves also go through periods of intensity and calm
18:54.36OluapPlayerCalling them all the same thing sounds extremely ignorant
18:55.10DrodoEmpireAgain, it depends on the alien's political views, their perceptions of human civilization, and their quality of human civilization
18:55.11HachimanPlus, the major players and the causes change which I feel would be enough to differentiate the conflicts from one another
18:55.26DrodoEmpireThey may see these wars as we see endemic tribal conflicts in New Guinia
18:55.29MonetOluapPlayer: Same coudl eb said of the Crusades really.
18:55.30DrodoEmpire*Guinea
18:55.47OluapPlayerI just said I don't know anything about the Crusades
18:56.07DrodoEmpireNot really definite, definable things but a series of ill-defined armed conflicts
18:56.28DrodoEmpire*quality of knowledge, sorry
18:56.41OluapPlayerquality of human civilization = LOW
18:56.48DrodoEmpire:p
18:56.51Charles_Murraylol
18:56.54DrodoEmpireAnyway, its an interesting theory
18:57.00Charles_MurrayWhen you really study history, everything bleeds into everything else
18:57.04DrodoEmpireAnd its true they're all *very* closely related
18:57.09DrodoEmpireYeah definite;y
18:57.10DrodoEmpire*ly
18:57.48Charles_Murrayi.e., you realize that these periods are pretty artificial and arbitrary, and each period is better understood as part of a continuity rather than segmented off as its own thing
18:58.06DrodoEmpire^
18:58.18HachimanI mean, if we're gonna get technical and such, wars and conflicts from before the 19th Century could be considered a part of this grouping as WW1 possibly gets its roots from the latter end of the 18th Century
18:58.33DrodoEmpireIts much easier and more convenient to understand them as different periods but not more true
18:58.52Charles_Murray19th century*
18:59.22Charles_MurrayWWI resulted from an unwinding of the Concert of Europe, which was created after the Napoleonic Wars
19:00.07MonetThe 1t crusade was 1295-1299, the Second was in 1144, the third was launched in 1189 and the fourth was in about 1204-1205, but you get the misconception that 1100-1350 was nothing but Christian warriors waging holy war on the Muslim kingdoms of Israel and the Lebanon.
19:00.07Charles_MurrayAs an extreme example, I started my discussion of the Brexit issue in a paper with Henry VIII. xD
19:00.13DrodoEmpireIf you push the trail of historical causality far back enough you'll find out that much of the events and much of political and social atmosphere we live in today started in the times of early civilization, and even before then
19:00.59DrodoEmpireOf course, it'd be impossible to predict the exact events if you were an alien who looked at Earth *in* 8000 BC, but it left its mark
19:01.23DrodoEmpireGeography did a lot to determine the course of human history, is what I'm saying :p
19:01.29DrodoEmpireNot everything, naturally, but a lot
19:01.29Charles_Murray^
19:01.35MonetIf people today are sometimes mistaken there were decades of relative peace between each crusade, then the same situation is plausable for WWI and WWII.
19:01.47ImpyDroidCharles_Murray: "Ye fecking Holy Roman Empire wisheth to suck us dry"
19:02.40Charles_MurrayRight, but if you're looking at specific elements of human political history, it's easier to trace back to a specific point in history where that trend or chain of causality begins
19:02.54DrodoEmpireOf course
19:03.18DrodoEmpireIt is correct, but unhelpful, to begin a textbook about the second world war with the Big Bang
19:03.25Charles_MurrayThe Concert of Europe is almost a reset of European relations, the creation of a new and stable Europe based on a new set of principles and concepts
19:03.54Charles_MurrayI still began my Brexit paper with Henry VIII :p
19:04.03MonetAnd I'm willing to entertain the idea that in the 800 year interim between now and the fictionverse present, there will be ideas that are jsut flat.out.wrong.
19:04.37DrodoEmpireYeah naturally
19:04.54MonetLike maybe Gorbachev's "we will bury you" gets forgotten as a trnslative gaffe and is seen as a historic threat of war by the USSR.
19:05.22ImpyDroidI think it was Khruschev
19:05.29MonetA declaration they never got around to pulling off
19:05.38MonetKhruschev, right.
19:05.45ImpyDroidWE WILL PULL IT OFF
19:05.49ImpyDroidJUST GIVE US TIME PLZ
19:06.03HachimanI sometimes wonder if the knowledge of humanity ever visiting the Moon will become lost
19:06.22HachimanAnd that there will be a second "first lunar landing"
19:06.56MonetHachiman: That would involve records of the original moon landing being lost or forgotten.
19:06.56DrodoEmpireThat depends greatly on what becomes of human civilization
19:06.58ImpyDroidThis could be a thing BTW
19:07.22ImpyDroidOur descendants confusing historical rulers
19:07.50DrodoEmpireIf we become a spacefaring, even interstellar, civilization, then perhaps people will go to the moon daily or even live there and whatnot, but nobody will be able to remember when it was first stepped on
19:07.51MonetAnd unlike the Viking discovery of America, knowledge of the first moon landing is a globally-recognised human achievement.
19:08.00Charles_MurrayImpyDroid : He meant to say that communism would outlast capitalism
19:08.13Charles_MurrayThere's no way you can pull that off now
19:08.24DrodoEmpireIt'd be a sad day when such an achievement's forgotten, though it might
19:08.32ImpyDroid•^•
19:09.20DrodoEmpireAnyway, I need to do stuff for homework
19:09.22MonetIt'll be trivialised definitely, there'll be a time future generations will be in curious, maybe puzzled that our generation considered landing on the moon to be a historic achievement.
19:09.43DrodoHomeworkThose who lack the context of the day yeah
19:09.45ImpyDroidKhruschev's speech about burying capitalism is generally overshadowed by his more famous deed in Russia
19:10.37ImpyDroidTaking off his boot, smashing his desk with it while shouting hard-to-translate obscenities
19:10.37MonetPretty sure when he said "bury you" he metaphorically meant "we will be attending capitalism's funeral"
19:11.27ImpyDroidAre his "Kuzka's mother" threats known in the West?
19:11.49MonetFirst I've heard of them.
19:12.32MonetHey maybe throwing one's shoe at a president you don't like is considered an American tradition?
19:12.54ImpyDroidhttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/UWhYgPS3ymA/hqdefault.jpg Perhaps
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19:13.37MonetHello
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19:38.11Tybusenhttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/82/TIAF_Tyrus-Kylessa_Province_Map.png/revision/latest?cb=20160609054635 If I could get some feedback on the quality of this map I'd appreciate it
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19:42.01DrodoHomeworkHi
19:42.23TreebeardHello
19:42.41TybusenHello
19:43.07Charles_BotHey
19:43.32MonetTybusen: A lot of planets but a scale or names for the routes might be nice.
19:44.02Charles_BotOoooh, what was posted?
19:44.06TybusenYeah maybe I should cut down on the number of planets so I have room for the trade route names
19:44.16Tybusenhttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/8/82/TIAF_Tyrus-Kylessa_Province_Map.png/revision/latest?cb=20160609054635
19:44.51Charles_BotNice!
19:44.59TybusenI would have a scale if I knew what the proper scale should be for Tyrus-Kylessa
19:45.41Charles_BotI would make the dots a little bit smaller, and the routes a bit thinner
19:46.05TybusenAs far as I can recall, in-game Tyrus-Kylessa is maybe about 100-120 parsecs from top to bottom
19:46.20ImpyDroidHi
19:46.20Charles_BotBut it's a pretty good map either way. What are information are you trying to convey about the sector?
19:46.34TybusenMaybe around 5-7 full distance jumps with the Interstellar Drive 5, idk
19:46.46ImpyDroidTybusen: Looks lovely
19:46.56ImpyDroidThough I would make the dots smaller and with thinner outlines
19:46.56TybusenIt's mostly just a general astropolitical map
19:47.21TybusenMaybe I should scale the dots with the relative size of the world
19:48.43ImpyDroidCould work
19:48.52ImpyDroidBTW Tybusen
19:49.00TybusenOne thing that I did want to convey was that Tyrus-Kylessa is a very densely populated sector of space with many developed planets, though I might have gone overboard
19:49.16ImpyDroidWe were wondering earlier this day about how well known  (among humans at least) is modern history in the Fictionverse
19:49.31ImpyDroidThe 20th and 21st centuries I mean
19:49.44DrodoHomeworkWell, we know quite a lot about history in the 1200s, as a reference
19:49.58DrodoHomeworkAnd that was when the vast majority of people were illiterate
19:50.14TybusenAnd the 20th and 21st centuries would definitely be the most well-documented era of history up to this point
19:50.29DrodoHomeworkI imagine the existence of the internet and high literacy rates would mean historians would have *huge* amounts of documentation
19:50.30TybusenMostly due to the Internet
19:50.33DrodoHomework^
19:50.57DrodoHomeworkI figure people in the 2800s would have a very precise knowledge of the 21st century indeed
19:50.59ImpyDroidHachiman OluapPlayer: http://vk.com/photo-25752703_416447053 Khorne approves
19:51.18TybusenBy 29th century human standards, I don't know how the 21st century would look in terms of "proper" documentation by their standards, but as long as the internet archives are still intact, they have a treasure trove of knowledge
19:51.38MonetDrodoHomework: Though one thing to bear in mind is there' still going to be a difference between what the 28th century historian knows and what the 28th century citizen knows.
19:51.47DrodoHomeworkWell yeah true
19:51.49ImpyDroidThing is maybe there are still common misconceptions among the common public
19:52.04DrodoHomeworkThe information would be *available* though
19:52.13DrodoHomeworkAnd that's what's most important
19:52.27DrodoHomeworkAs for what regular people think of the 21st century I can't say
19:52.57Tybusen"Meme hell"
19:53.31DrodoHomeworkhur
19:54.16TybusenEither that or the 29th century public laugh at the quaintness of our primitive 21st century memes while they curse the periodic reappearance of Hyperspatial 4th Dimension Pepe
19:54.26DrodoHomework^
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20:01.21Patriot868hello
20:01.58TreebeardHello
20:02.30Patriot868so what been going on around here lately
20:03.16DrodoHomeworkHi
20:03.17DrodoHomeworkNot much
20:03.21DrodoHomeworkCompleting an essay
20:03.31Patriot868Cool
20:03.47Patriot868What are you writing about?
20:05.22Charles_MurrayI've pretty much mastered CKII at this point
20:05.25Charles_MurrayBut wtf
20:05.27Patriot868Nice
20:05.36Patriot868I started playing Stellaris
20:05.48Charles_MurrayI've never, ever been able to do anything with the William the Bastard start in 1066
20:05.55Charles_MurrayThat's a classic
20:06.04Charles_MurrayAnd I always find some way to hilariously fall flat on my face
20:06.21Charles_MurrayStellaris is great
20:06.27Patriot868Stellaris is, in its current state, a combination of boring and obnoxious
20:06.33Patriot868I find it fun for a bit
20:06.38DrodoHomeworkNo I love it tbh
20:06.43Patriot868But its lacking in a lot of fields
20:06.48Charles_MurrayMultiplayer makes it very fun
20:06.51DrodoHomeworkI haven't played it in a little while but I love it
20:07.02Charles_MurrayBecause it injects a lot into the mid-game
20:07.03Patriot868I do love my psionic robots that I can make though
20:07.14DrodoHomeworkAnyway, I'm writing sorta a book response for English
20:07.25Charles_MurrayWe should make a wiki game, with wiki factions
20:07.29Charles_MurrayOr wiki-inspired factions
20:07.31DrodoHomeworkI read a sci-fi book called "The Long Earth" and I'm studying its society
20:07.42DrodoHomeworkI had a plan for a mod that was exactly that, Charles_Murray
20:07.53Patriot868That would be interesting
20:08.17DrodoHomeworkHowever I have a few other things on the go this summer too (including another mod project for Garry's Mod) so progress might beslow
20:08.45Patriot868Thats fine
20:09.01Patriot868I dont really want to start another game of stellaris till the clarke patch drops
20:09.58Charles_MurrayIt's dropped, I think
20:10.17MonetCharles_Murray: Cyrannian has made a start making the NCR ingame
20:10.20Charles_Murray1.1.?
20:10.57Patriot868Has it?
20:11.06Patriot868I thought it was still in beta
20:11.17Charles_MurrayNope, it dropped a couple weeks ago
20:11.22Patriot868Good
20:11.29Charles_MurrayGood patch
20:11.34Patriot868Thats good, it fixed a lot of my complaints
20:11.49Patriot868Mostly conquest taking a geological age due to warscore
20:12.00Patriot868being poorly calculated
20:12.08Patriot868and braindead sector AI
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20:25.07Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/dwG9T6H
20:25.13Wormy_hi
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21:09.06Groxkiller98Hey!
21:09.11Groxkiller98Busy times?
21:10.05Wormy_For me, anyway
21:10.07Wormy_hi
21:10.16Groxkiller98Does anyone know if it's possible to export Spore Spacecraft models?
21:10.39Groxkiller98Colladaexport doesn't work with anything other than creatures. :|
21:10.53Wormy_Hmm yes it is possible, but it requires a mod.  I found something about it on Sporum once.
21:11.19Groxkiller98I'll download a mod to make it work.
21:11.37Groxkiller98I already use Dark Injection.
21:13.15Wormy_https://forum.spore.com/jforum/posts/list/74550.page
21:13.25Groxkiller98Thanks!
21:13.32Wormy_There's even a convoluted way of doing it through Collada
21:13.39HachimanI am liking the look of Treebeard's fic and I am quite glad he got Featured
21:13.54Groxkiller98I agree.
21:14.21Groxkiller98The Mithadorn Republic and Talven Empire are currently communicating.
21:14.25HachimanI am hoping that he sticks around since most new users do not tend to hang around for very long or very consistently
21:14.29ImpyDroidHachiman: What do you mean you like a new guy
21:15.20HachimanHis writing is decent to good standard and he puts a fair amount of thought into his fiction, alongside the fact he's not overly annoying either hur
21:15.32Groxkiller98That post has broken pictures, Wormy. >_>
21:15.37Groxkiller98And isn't a mod.
21:16.06ImpyDroidHachiman: TRAITOR
21:16.21Wormy_That isn't the mod, but the "convoluted way of doing it through Collada"
21:16.29HachimanI've spoken with him and he's got a good open-minded attitude required to really thrive on the wiki
21:16.48Wormy_But people there are using sporehack and I don't know what that is
21:17.12Groxkiller98Sporehack is... something?
21:20.49Wormy_Someone made their own mod here, but don't seem to have released it.  I guess you could try contacting him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aizjNfn7W2Q
21:27.39ImpyDroidHachiman: https://youtu.be/tO-mlDSlfw8 I fucking died
21:27.52Groxkiller98The Freecam cheat is so difficult to work with. >_>
21:31.31HachimanImpyDroid: Ironically, that vid portrayed the orcs as being all murderous savages when in truth they are not hur
21:35.32ImpyDroidI expected the movie to focus more on prejudice actually
21:35.37ImpyDroidSort of like Planet of the Apes
21:36.15MonetWOuldn't that be more for a Warcraft III movie?
21:36.32ImpyDroidPerhaps yeah
21:36.40MonetWarcraft I and II was primarily "Orcs come in and stampede over the human kingdoms"
21:36.43ImpyDroidI wonder what are they going to do with Warcraft 2 though
21:37.31MonetTides of Darkness mainly expanded on the story formula of Warcraft I mainly by expanding the Orcish ambition form smashing one human kingdom to smashing every nation in the Eastern Kingdoms
21:38.32ImpyDroidAs in what locations will it show
21:38.46MonetBasically yeah
21:39.27HachimanNeeds dark elf chicks and fast
21:39.44MonetWCII showed us more of Azeroth, introduced some more characters like Deathwing, the other races and I think also Alexstraza.
21:40.29ImpyDroidOh God yes I wonder if they will show Deathwing
21:40.42MonetAlexsa has a whole story arc of how the Orcs captured her and used her babies as mounts, keeping what was essentially the goddess of all dragons from wrecking face by using the Demon Soul and threatening to smash any of her eggs.
21:41.05ImpyDroidHachiman: Wait till III
21:41.32ImpyDroidActually wait I am not sure which elven race in Warcraft is the dark one
21:41.44HachimanNight Elves
21:41.56ImpyDroidBut they are good guys
21:42.04HachimanThey are still dark-skinned hur
21:42.10ImpyDroidBlood elves are the more morally ambiguous domineering type
21:42.13HachimanI think Blood Elves are honestly kinda meh
21:42.27MonetThere's fluff-talk of dark elves but apparently they're jsut Night Elves with blackish skin.
21:42.30HachimanI don't find them anywhere near as interesting or developed as the Night Elves
21:42.33ImpyDroidHOW DARE YOU
21:43.01ImpyDroidWell actually yes they are closer to the generic elf archetypw
21:43.16MonetWell tbf for them ost part Blood Elves are your standard Rivendell elf only with a crack-like addiction to magic yeah.
21:44.20ImpyDroidNobody beats the Warcraft trolls though
21:45.03MonetI find it funny how these guys http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/1/10/Newwretched.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080320001825 are called "crackelf" in the game files.
21:45.20HachimanWhat, with characters like Vol'jin?
21:46.07MonetZul'Jin was a badass.
21:47.13HachimanI wonder if Rexxar will ever make an appearance
21:47.35MonetAlthough more generally Trolls in Warcraft are pretty cool; Jamaican empire builders with a penchant for voudou and have been shown to not really are over losing bits of their body
21:47.37ImpyDroidRexxar running around tearing human faces off
21:47.45ImpyDroidLiteral face hunter
21:48.05MonetIt's entirely possible that trolls bridle their raptors with the full knowledge they'll lose a hand but just don't care.
21:48.13HachimanIs this a Twitch joke#
21:48.22ImpyDroidHearthstone joke
21:48.47ImpyDroidRexxar's Hearthstone strategy is very straightforward and focused on attacking the opposing hero directly
21:48.52HachimanAh
21:48.54ImpyDroidAttacking the face
21:49.01ImpyDroidHence "face hunter"
21:49.04HachimanI wonder if Rexxar will ever make an appearance in WoW honestly
21:49.07MonetTroll regeneration kind of impresses me. In the lore it took learning the use of magic for humans to break a stalemate during the Troll Wars.
21:49.12ImpyDroidHachiman: He did
21:49.25HachimanHe did?
21:49.36ImpyDroidHe was a quest given in Vanilla, BC and WoD
21:49.55ImpyDroidIn fact BC showed his family and clan
21:50.00ImpyDroid*giver
21:50.00HachimanOh so he was
21:50.28ImpyDroidI think he was also in Cata's launch event
21:50.49MonetMet hi min WoD
21:51.03MonetPretty friendly dude so logn as you don't hurt his animal friends.
21:51.17Monetso long*
21:51.22ImpyDroidhttps://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow.gamepedia.com/2/24/RexxarMishaTLSH.jpg There he is
22:04.02HachimanSo apparently Rexxar is a member of some new hunter-oriented order called the Unseen Path in Legion
22:04.51MonetOne of the class organisations by the sounds of it.
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22:09.48Wormy_What a ridiculous non-story http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3632577/Mom-s-Facebook-prank-backfires-daughter-18-goes-live-male-model.html
22:09.57Wormy_And yet, it leads me to share it.
22:10.03Wormy_...
22:10.25ImpyDroidHachiman: Every class has an associated organisation now
22:10.49ImpyDroidAnd a little spot for a home
22:10.57HachimanAh
22:11.21ImpyDroidWarlocks actually have an entire tiny asteroid for themselves
22:11.30HachimanWhat the
22:11.31TechnobliteratorWormy_, the daily mail posting non-stories is, in itself, a non-story :p
22:11.41HachimanSo Khadgar lives on an asteroid?
22:12.10TechnobliteratorMost of my family members who read it are absolutely certain it doesn't affect them
22:12.10Wormy_lol
22:12.37HachimanOh wait, he's not a sorcerer
22:12.48MonetNever call Khadgar a warlock
22:13.03MonetUnless you fancy spending the rest of your life chewing grass in Wales.
22:13.38HachimanWarlock, even
22:13.42HachimanRight
22:13.46ImpyDroidMages have a mage tower
22:13.51MonetAs you do
22:14.01ImpyDroidWarlocks have... basically the same thing as Outland except tiny
22:14.09MonetWarriors get, well basically Valhalla.
22:14.10ImpyDroidLike a tiny demon rock asteroid thingie
22:14.34ImpyDroidTheir storyline involves enslaving various important demons
22:15.25ImpyDroidAnd apparently culminates in warlocks enslaving old raid bosses
22:15.32ImpyDroidSpecifically, these ones http://wow-bk.ucoz.com/raisd_groups/25/Sunwell/Eredar_Twins.png
22:15.54HachimanOh wow
22:16.40MonetYeahh form what I'm seeing, player adventurers are approaching demigod status.
22:17.40MonetIn the Warlock's case, those two are Eredar; commanders of the Burning Legion.
22:18.18ImpyDroidIt would be even more hilarious if draenei could be warlocks
22:18.25ImpyDroidYou basically enslave your own people
22:18.47Monet"You are no longre one of us!"
22:19.57Hachiman10/10 would let them destroy the world
22:21.06ImpyDroidWe have the best class hall tho
22:21.17ImpyDroidGIANT FUCKING TURTLE ISLAND
22:21.35HachimanWhich class?
22:21.39ImpyDroidMonks
22:23.09HachimanAh
22:23.16HachimanMakes sense you live on a giant fucking turtle then
22:25.01Cyrannian_~seen OluapPlayer
22:25.02infobotoluapplayer <badafdcd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.218.253.205> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 3h 2m 12s ago, saying: 'FUCK OFF'.
22:27.14Wormy_Well that's not vulgar.
22:27.24DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Tahai - If anybody wants to add quotes/statistics to this page or has suggestions, feel free
22:27.49Cyrannian_Probably just annoyed about his connection issues
22:27.50DrodoEmpireIf anybody wants to use it as a setting then feel free to consult me about it, too.
22:27.56DrodoEmpireYeah I recall he was
22:28.38Wormy_I remember, its just a funny "last seen on" quote
22:29.38HachimanDo you want me to pass on a message to him?
22:29.59Cyrannian_No it's alright, he responded to one I sent on Steam
22:41.53XhoPreviously on OluapPlayer: "FUCK OFF"
22:42.06DrodoEmpire*laugh track*
22:42.12Charles_Murraylol
22:43.39DrodoEmpirehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckip0mTXIAAdtLk.jpg:large
22:44.07Xhowut
22:44.24Hachimankira keemstaru
22:44.26DrodoEmpirekillurrr keemstarrr >.>
22:44.58DrodoEmpirereporting the """"news"""" every day of his long gnome like
22:45.00DrodoEmpire*life
22:45.01DrodoEmpirefuk
22:47.07HachimanA lot of the Youtuber community is just cancer at this point
22:47.42DrodoEmpireEhh, not all of it tbh
22:48.01HachimanConsisting of people who do not know what the fuck they're talking about *cough* Markiplier *cough* or people who run the whole self-deprecation joke into the ground
22:48.12DrodoEmpireI find Leafy a little edgy but that's it, H3 is sorta sleazy, Keem is just awful but I do like Pyro
22:48.42HachimanYeah, I like Pyro too
22:49.03HachimanI find Leafy extremely annoying though; once you've seen one of his videos, you've seen them all
22:50.46ImpyDroidThank God our vodkalander community is separate from capitalist YouTube
22:50.56ImpyDroid...Okay admittedly we have idiots aplenty too
22:54.40TechnobliteratorDoesn't every group ever?
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22:56.37CyrannianHello
22:56.47XhoHi
22:56.50XhoHachiman: Franku
22:56.54XhoFranku is the ultimate cancer
22:57.07HachimanHe is both a malign and benign tumor
22:57.12Cyrannian~seen Cyrannian_
22:57.13infobotcyrannian_ <562d661d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.45.102.29> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 27m 14s ago, saying: 'No it's alright, he responded to one I sent on Steam'.
22:59.10XhoWorst Film Ever is still my favourite video
23:00.16Wormy_tumeric is a hell of a drug http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36490552
23:00.28XhoI make Dade sounds and no one notices any more
23:00.50The_RandomnessWormy_: lol
23:03.45Hachimanolol
23:04.24XhoHachiman: "Gordon Ramsay"
23:10.13Hachimanhur
23:10.49ImpyDroidHachiman: Hm
23:11.14ImpyDroidIn traditional fantasy settings, are there any products the drow are particularily famed for?
23:11.15HachimanHm?
23:11.30HachimanDefine 'products'
23:11.53ImpyDroidLike what sort of stuff one would buy from them when trading
23:12.17Wormy_Giant dog poo goes missing in Spain http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-36488432
23:12.30ImpyDroidDwarves produce weaponry and various metallic wares, normal elves I presume woodwork and stuff
23:12.40ImpyDroidGnomes their engineering crafts
23:12.41HachimanPoisons, mind-affecting drugs, shady magical potions, slaves
23:12.47ImpyDroidRight
23:13.27HachimanAlso jewellery I suppose
23:14.20MonetALso anything that comes from spiders.
23:14.30HachimanYeah, including spiders themselves
23:14.32HachimanSo silk and such
23:14.40HachimanSpiders make silk, right?
23:14.50ImpyDroidSpider solk
23:14.53MonetSilk, venom, eggs potion ingredience and carapace
23:15.03ImpyDroidGiant spiders could make clothing too
23:15.09ImpyDroidfabric I mean
23:15.13ImpyDroidFabric for clothing
23:18.00MonetI've seen spider silk eb used as expotic fabric.
23:19.42Cyrannianhttps://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/740973710593654784 - It'll be an entertaining election if nothing else
23:20.39Wormy_lol
23:20.58The_RandomnessLUL
23:21.07ImpyDroidCyrannian: "Regardless of the victor, monsters will rule over the ruins."
23:21.27TechnobliteratorI admit, I laughed when I saw that :p
23:21.58TechnobliteratorThe response was pretty funny as well
23:24.15Charles_MurrayYeah, I saw that. xD
23:24.58Cyrannianhttps://twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB/status/741022066502193153 - this reply to the response doe
23:26.05Technobliteratorhahaha
23:26.16Technobliteratorniiice
23:34.54DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Planet:Tahai
23:35.59ImpyDroidDrodoEmpire: ...Dammit I wanted to make a selenopolis
23:36.23DrodoEmpire<.<
23:36.25Wormy_Cyrannian:  He got owned
23:36.30Wormy_Trumped on there
23:36.53DrodoEmpireIts a big pleasure world, basically. Feel free to add quotes or statistics and, if you want to use it in fiction just ask
23:37.38ImpyDroidWormy_: I wouldn't cheer for Hillary
23:38.07Wormy_I'm cheering for Full Frontal
23:38.09ImpyDroidIt is like preferring cancer over AIDS
23:38.11ImpyDroidOh
23:38.24Wormy_"@realDonaldTrump 5 minutes. They're time-stamped, dude."
23:38.46Wormy_Clinton is the lesser evil.
23:39.13Wormy_Its Brit politics in so many ways.  One votes evil or lesser evil.
23:39.15DrodoEmpireMeh, not by much
23:39.21DrodoEmpireI dunno really
23:39.24TechnobliteratorI'd argue it's not even close
23:39.48ImpyDroidI do not like Clinton because she threatened to act against Russia hur
23:39.49Technobliteratorslightly worse than the status quo versus an orange clown who has repeatedly demonstrated lack of government understanding and thin skin
23:40.21DrodoEmpireEither way, these are two actual politicians fighting it out like teenagers. >.< Its sorta sad
23:40.25TechnobliteratorOf course
23:40.31DrodoEmpireMaybe it makes them look more human, but I mean
23:40.33ImpyDroidShe has okay internal policies but tbh it looks like she just goes with the mainstream
23:40.45ImpyDroidI mean she changed her mind on same sex marriage
23:40.47DrodoEmpireI've since grown accustomed to the idea that politicians are not, in fact, humans <.<
23:40.50TechnobliteratorBut I feel like she mostly stoops to his level as an attempt to appear more cool with millennial voters
23:41.00TechnobliteratorWhereas Trump just is that childish
23:41.08ImpyDroidMillenials won't vote for her
23:41.18ImpyDroidShe is not an idealist by far unlike Bernie or Hair
23:41.25Technobliteratoralso, I thought this channel was in screw-political-chat mode
23:41.31TechnobliteratorI am very bad at reading this channel sometimes
23:41.48DrodoEmpireI don't like political chat very much, not even more
23:41.54The_Randomness.........................
23:42.04Technobliteratoroh, it still is?
23:42.04Technobliteratorcool
23:42.09DrodoEmpireBut at the same time I'm an opinionated jackass who can't stop himself from putting in his own two cents
23:42.10DrodoEmpire:p
23:42.11CyrannianI don't get that argument, a lot of people have changed their mind on same sex marriage, including Obama
23:42.12ImpyDroidI dunno tbh if Bernie won't make it I am rooting for Hair
23:42.20DrodoEmpireYeah exactly
23:43.16Charles_Murray>.<
23:43.39DrodoEmpireOh dear, Charles has a thought for us
23:43.50Charles_MurrayMore like all of the world's cringe
23:44.02DrodoEmpireEverybody run, we're all wrong D:>
23:44.08DrodoEmpire<.<
23:44.40DrodoEmpireAs in the world is cringing every time these politicians speak?
23:44.46DrodoEmpireI can believe that
23:45.07Charles_MurrayNah, you know exactly what I meant. ;)
23:45.13TechnobliteratorWhat a world we live in when Donald Trump technically is a "politician" now
23:45.19TechnobliteratorLike, legitimised as one
23:45.34DrodoEmpireMeh
23:45.41TechnobliteratorI miss the days when this guy was a joke
23:46.12TechnobliteratorWho occasionally made dumb cameos in films and stupid comments about conspiracy theories
23:46.15DrodoEmpireFrankly I'm glad he's around to show how wrong these pundits have it, and how idiotic the current status quo is
23:46.22Technobliteratorhaha that's fair
23:46.32DrodoEmpireHe's like Bernie but funnier to watch
23:46.38DrodoEmpireIn the cultural sense
23:46.46TechnobliteratorI can agree with that
23:46.59Technobliteratorbut we've seen what this guy is like on twitter
23:47.05Technobliteratori don't want it to be that but with nukes instead
23:47.05DrodoEmpireI don't like many of his policies though, whichever ones he actually has pinned down anyway
23:47.43CyrannianI like this Elizabeth Warren lady, watching a clip of her now https://twitter.com/CNN/status/741051896203489281
23:48.23Technobliterator\o/
23:49.23Charles_MurrayTo give you an idea of how I approach politics: When Donald Trump makes perfect sense to you – why people like him, dislike him, what's driving his success, what obstacles he's been wrestling with or pushing out of the way – then you understand American politics
23:50.02MonetAye
23:50.10TechnobliteratorI'm sure there's much more to that than how you make it sound
23:50.19Charles_MurrayHow so?
23:50.28DrodoEmpireSometimes I do wonder what goes through daddy's head <.<
23:50.34MonetAt the end of the day his popularity is sustained by attention.
23:50.52MonetAttention maintained by public talk and public opinion.
23:51.00Charles_MurrayThat's part of it
23:51.02TechnobliteratorLike, I don't imagine the popularity of an outsider candidate is explained in a few sentences
23:51.10Charles_MurrayOf course not
23:51.15TechnobliteratorAnd I imagine there are a lot of factors
23:51.38Charles_MurrayI could take hours explaining things which date back a couple years, or a couple centuries, and not quite do it justice
23:51.49TechnobliteratorYup
23:52.24Charles_MurrayAmerica is a very complex and diverse place, and not only in the way that you understand diversity, such that in certain places Donald Trump is perceived as the only viable candidate.
23:52.39Charles_MurrayJust like in other places, Bernie Sanders is the only viable candidate.
23:52.58Charles_MurrayAnd where I am right now, nobody understands why you would ever not vote for Hillary Clinton.
23:53.40HachimanYou know, it's almost like American voters have a right to opinions or something
23:54.38Charles_MurrayAnd none of this is arbitrary. How people approach politics, how they think about history, how they think about themselves in relation to the rest of society, to the government, to private and public life, etc, etc, is shaped by their historical experience.
23:55.07Charles_MurrayDating back as far as the Thirteen Colonies, if you truly want to understand it.
23:55.33TechnobliteratorI'm kind of curious what plan Obama and the DNC have for the whole party unity thing
23:55.44Charles_MurrayCampaign for Hillary
23:55.46CyrannianI kinda picture Trump's candidacy as a consequence of the popularity/political acceptance of the Tea Party, compared to Bernie, who brought to the fore many of the grievances of the Occupy movement
23:55.51Charles_MurrayGet Sanders on board
23:55.54TechnobliteratorI mean, yeah
23:56.00TechnobliteratorBut I was thinking more in specifics
23:56.20MonetCyrannian: That and he's also something of an AMerican Nigel Farage.
23:56.22TechnobliteratorGive Sanders a VP or cabinet position? Adopt some of his policies? Or just tell him to screw off (a monumentally stupid move)?
23:56.42Charles_MurrayVP isn't on the table, the campaign's been too bitter for that
23:56.50DrodoEmpireTrump's current popularity comes, and I can say this personally, from a lot of places including disaffected liberals
23:56.56TechnobliteratorIt wasn't that bitter
23:57.05TechnobliteratorOr at least, not when you compare it to what happened on the other side
23:57.07CyrannianNear the end it was
23:57.12MonetOne of Trump's key angles is towards American Exceptionalism.
23:57.13Charles_Murray^
23:57.21Charles_MurrayBut Elizabeth Warren or other progressive candidates are being considered
23:57.24XhoMAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
23:57.26Technobliteratorlike, there's no way Cruz becomes Trump's VP
23:57.33MonetXho: Exactly.
23:57.38DrodoEmpireWho're more concerned about changing the status quo than about most policy positions
23:57.40CyrannianHe probably should have seen the writing on the wall after he lost NY
23:57.42The_RandomnessMany of Trump's supporters are working class white people, that's the base of his supporters
23:57.43XhoRight now time for zzzzzzz
23:58.19MonetTrump is promising the rebirth of the American Dream and the Idea that America has an almost divien right to be the greatest nation on Earth.
23:58.45Charles_MurrayCyrannian : That's a little simple, but there's truth to that. You can't have the current political atmosphere without the Tea Party movement, and in many ways Trump is a reaction both to the attitudes and the failures of the Tea Party. You'll notice that -the- TP candidate actually lost to trump.
23:59.21DrodoEmpireI mean, the US was built on *great* philosophies and ideas, same with England. However I don't *quite* buy what Trump is selling
23:59.28DrodoEmpireNor do I quite buy any other candidate
23:59.37TechnobliteratorThe way I see it, Sanders did see the writing on the wall, and is now campaigning still because a) he said he would and b) he just wants to force the party to adopt some policy ideas
23:59.40Charles_MurrayTechnobliterator : The best thing working for party unity on the Democratic side right now is actually Trump.
23:59.47TechnobliteratorThis is true
23:59.56TechnobliteratorThere's a unilateral agreement

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