IRC log for #sporewiki on 20160221

00:12.33Vincent20100Hey!
00:17.24drom_Gotta love how easily you can overdo the muscle tissues http://i.imgur.com/IIGv2at.png
00:22.44drom_ImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/P5LbUl5.png
00:23.42drom_Xho Hachiman: http://i.imgur.com/1vg6kVd.webm
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00:28.55Wormy_STOGorn jokes still infest the STO chats
00:29.02The_Randomnessheh
00:35.50Liquid_InkBy now it's probably gorn too far.
00:36.20Wormy_STOIt Gorna never end.
00:36.27Wormy_STO*It's
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00:58.31Wormy_STO_Computer Froze
00:58.57Wormy_STO_right in the middle of a mission
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01:12.18The_RandomnessHello
01:12.57AdmiralPandahi
01:18.48Vincent20100And Admiral!
01:18.49Vincent20100http://imgur.com/gallery/gvBYK
01:18.55Vincent20100Saw this and though of you
01:22.28AdmiralPandaaccurate representation of the creation of Australia
01:36.04drom_<PROTECTED>
01:36.19Xhothere was an attempt
01:36.42Monet2muchfluff
01:40.20drom_Xho Monet: Testing Blender's hair physics is going to be the bane of my computer's CPU and my productivity http://i.imgur.com/7zY1v1f.png
01:40.39MonetYeah tone it down a bit
01:41.32Wormy_STO_Looks like a hedge
01:41.44drom_aye hur
01:42.09drom_I've slopped the whole hair thing for now. It is going to be the very last thing for this model
01:46.23drom_Anyway. Here is a render of the model so far http://i.imgur.com/P1v4NrI.png
01:46.52drom_It does kind of look more lika a rat for now
01:49.08drom_Going to need to work on the arms, then the legs, then improve the head topology and give it a proper mouth, eyes and eyelids before I move on to the tail and rigging
01:49.51MonetIt obThat's a lot of work
01:50.13MonetGood luck to you.
01:50.21drom_Heh, thank you.
01:50.34The_RandomnessWow, that looks pretty cool so far
01:50.42drom_It already has a mouth, but it lacks teeth and is currently open
01:51.54drom_It is open, so I have finished the mouth before closing it. So I don't to deal with aneuryms.
01:52.12drom_don't have to*
01:52.52HalopediamanTeath are for the weak
01:54.17MonetTeeth help you talk.
01:55.56drom_Weak also help disgestion
02:23.19Monetgoodnight
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11:03.44dino82_hi!
11:04.00GhelaeHello.
11:29.51dino82_Oh remains quiet on the IRC :D
11:33.25Liquid_InkHello!
11:33.27Liquid_InkHow are you?
11:33.36dino82_Hi! I am great, thanks and you?
11:34.36Liquid_InkPretty good
11:34.48Liquid_InkWhat have the Rambo been up to lately?
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11:35.45Monethello
11:36.45dino82_@Liquid: The Tertius Bellum has begun, with the recent story the Fury of Galvarus wich ensured the destruction of the Capitals 3 moon, including their main Shipyards! Afterwards they seem targeted by the Da Reckoning and Loron incursions
11:37.00dino82_afterwards perhaps if the story continues will have an involvement in the Voidstalker story of Xho
11:39.40GhelaeYes; that story still needs everyone to write their introductions.
11:40.09GhelaeActually, I think most of them are done now.
11:41.53dino82_oh?
11:42.00dino82_where can you do that?
11:42.21GhelaeOn the titanpad. I can give you the link to it if you've lost it.
11:43.08dino82_yeah never got I gues
11:43.42dino82_oh forgot to save it :d Thanks Ghel
11:45.22dino82_now to think of  a proper intro :
11:45.23dino82_D
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11:45.52AdmiralPandahi all
11:47.08dino82_hi
11:52.38GhelaeHello.
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12:01.54MonetSO I decided to watch the trailer for Indpeendance Day 2
12:03.17MonetAs ehh as the last film was (save for the battle scenes and Will Smith), I'm interested
12:04.06Liquid_InkIndependence Day was great
12:05.23MonetIt's good if you don't mind the cliches.
12:08.33MonetAlso Let's see...Roland Emmerich and the trailer involves literally dreopping Dubai onto London
12:09.05MonetIf there's one thing Emmerich is really good at, its envisioning spectacle.
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13:00.58Wormy_hi
13:01.54Monethi
13:04.51Ghelaehi
13:13.40drom_Hey
13:14.51dromWelp, my model has lot of polys
13:17.17drom"Faces: 308,622"
13:17.25drom*worried laughter*
14:03.07dino82_back
14:22.13dromWormy_: I had a weird dream this night.
14:22.26Wormy_Oh?
14:23.39dromEarth was being invaded by an alien civilization of cortex drones. Which relay on hosts to survive. They abduct people to replace the brain with themselves. But it doesn't stop their bodies from decomposing and they are by obvious.
14:24.34Wormy_Weird
14:25.43Wormy_I don't normally dream of aliens, luckily.
14:26.08dromSo their true appearance are brains in glass jars attached to rotting cropses that also walk.
14:26.35Wormy_lol
14:27.06dromIt was rather creepy
14:27.53dromOne day they decided to manslaughter the population of Earth, just because.
14:28.43dromHere, comes the most weird thing I dreamed: steamrollers with cartoon pig heads.
14:29.25dromOf course, I was ran over. Because they were "turbo"-fast
14:30.11Wormy_I keep getting dreams where a tiger or lion hunts and attacks me.
14:30.52Wormy_I even dream the pain of it sinking it;s teeth in
14:33.58dromWeird, when I ran over. I never felt pain. But I could see my completely mangled and deformed corpse, so called me. Yet I still able to flee at a normal speed. Only to be chased by bouncing yoga balls. Again, with angry cartoon pig heads.
14:35.10Wormy_Keep away from any pig farms drom.  If you pass unconscious in a pig sty, they will eat you alive.
14:39.33dino82_its begin: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Da_Reckoning/Quadrants
14:40.00dromOther events include: adventure through a world of Lego. A midnight walk in the central city where I study, where I witness the murder on of my shallow(ly known) familiars, appearently he was gunned down with a pistol at close-up, but no one was able to see the perpeterator
14:41.47Technobliteratordino82_, nice work :o
14:42.06dino82_Thanks :D
14:46.22Monetbbl
15:00.35Technobliteratorwhere is imp
15:00.41Technobliteratorhe's like always here
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15:19.46ImpyDroidWent to the Chinese fair today
15:19.51ImpyDroidIt was... intereatimg
15:21.39ImpyDroidhttp://i.imgur.com/j6w3bBvh.jpg It had this
15:21.59ImpyDroiddrom and Wormy_ may want to take a look
15:23.02Technobliteratoroh, hey ImpyDroid
15:23.10TechnobliteratorAny chance we can work on the Andromeda Front intro soon?
15:23.37ImpyDroidThe day after tomorrow is the Day of the Protector of the Fatherland
15:23.40Wormy_Certainly has the Xi Jinping's expression.
15:23.54ImpyDroidSo we could try next Tuesday
15:24.04TechnobliteratorAlso, Wormy_, can we work on the Milky Way intro some time?
15:24.29Wormy_Probably next week
15:24.37TechnobliteratorWorks for me
15:24.46ImpyDroidAs in, Day of the Protector of the Fatherland is a holiday
15:26.44ImpyDroidWho will be implicated outside of myself?
15:26.53ImpyDroidCharles_M and Monet, I presume?
15:27.01TechnobliteratorImplicated? You mean, involved? :p
15:27.13ImpyDroidIsn't implicated a synonym of involved
15:27.13TechnobliteratorHopefully, yeah, and Xho
15:27.24TechnobliteratorNot in terms of people, no
15:27.26ImpyDroidOh
15:27.33ImpyDroidWhat does it even mean then
15:27.42TechnobliteratorI think drom is involved in the story
15:27.50TechnobliteratorImplicated can mean an event is involved
15:28.01TechnobliteratorJust not person
15:29.04ImpyDroidBTW, if you care, the Day of the Protector of the Fatherland is like half military festival, half gender-bent Women's Day
15:29.28ImpyDroidBut considering how many military festivals already we have it is mostly the latter
15:29.46ImpyDroidWait actually guys
15:29.59ImpyDroidSo you celebrate Women's Day but not Men's Day?
15:30.21TechnobliteratorThat's how it works. Just like how we have black history month, but not white history month.
15:30.32ImpyDroidThat is sexist as fuck hur
15:30.48ImpyDroidPraise glorious Russian gender equality
15:30.54TechnobliteratorNot really, there's no need to celebrate a majority over a minority
15:31.02ImpyDroidWomen in Russia are a majority
15:31.06ImpyDroidI think
15:31.14ImpyDroidMen all die of alcoholism
15:31.16TechnobliteratorNot in terms of people, but in the work place
15:31.29TechnobliteratorIn terms of numbers of people, women are a majority basically everywhere but China
15:32.05TechnobliteratorBut in the majority of jobs not perceived as "a womans' job" (like hairdressers and pre-uni teachers), they're a minority
15:32.15ImpyDroidTrue that
15:32.27TechnobliteratorAnd obviously in government as well
15:32.47Technobliteratorbecause more women decide to just be with their families and look after their kids than to go out and get a job
15:33.07ImpyDroidIt is a legit occupation hur
15:33.11Technobliteratormhm
15:33.15ImpyDroidI dunno I like having a festival devoted to men hur
15:33.54ImpyDroidThat's when I realize how girly I am hur
15:34.19ImpyDroidAs for black history and the like
15:34.32ImpyDroidWe do not separate people so much by race at all
15:34.49TechnobliteratorThere are some people who are calling to end black history month as well, including Morgan Freeman
15:35.02ImpyDroidWe have ethnic festivals though
15:35.19TechnobliteratorHe thinks it implies too heavily that there's a racial divide
15:35.27ImpyDroidSlavs have Maslenitsa, Tatars have Sabantui, etc
15:36.32ImpyDroidAs in we do not separate people by race but rather by ethnicity
15:36.40ImpyDroidAnd there are more than 12 ethnicities in Russia
15:37.27ImpyDroidMany of these ethnicities do not fit into the European race classification either
15:38.37ImpyDroidWe have a lot of ethnicities that are, appearance-wise, pretty much white, but have a very unique culture
15:39.03ImpyDroidOr our Muslims, which are a weird mix of white, Middle Eastern and Central Asians
15:39.33ImpyDroidI do not think a racial history month is a good idea
15:39.47ImpyDroidBut having a day devoted to a certain culture would be cool
15:40.30ImpyDroidDo you have anything like that in the UK tho?
15:40.55Wormy_We have Saints days, but England doesn't get a day off
15:41.18ImpyDroidAs in the patron saints of Scotland, Wales and Ireland?
15:41.29Wormy_Yes, and they get holidays I believe
15:41.34ImpyDroidRite
15:41.43ImpyDroidDo Muslamic ray guns get any love hue
15:42.01Wormy_The English don't get any love in the UK
15:43.36Wormy_No free higher education, no Patron Saint's day, etc.
15:43.52Wormy_*no holiday for a Patron Saint's Day
15:44.30Wormy_Scots can veto on English laws and not vice versa
15:45.04Wormy_Yet they claim we are the privileged rulers
15:46.16ImpyDroidWormy_: Scots are trying to get their law all over your country
15:46.59MonetAwayTechnobliterator: I thought Blac kHistory Month was more important in the States
15:47.04Wormy_ImpyDroid:  Actually city councils are very up in trying took diverse.  Eed is the only celebration other than New Year when fireworks can be left off after 11PM
15:47.24Wormy_*Eid
15:47.34Wormy_Or is it 21:00?
15:47.58ImpyDroidEid?
15:48.17Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Adha
15:48.24MonetI know there is black racism in England but I think most of English Black History is the slave trade.
15:48.47ImpyDroidRussian Black History is Pushkin
15:48.51ImpyDroidAnd that's about it
15:51.27Wormy_A very deep argument about whether or not Santa exists https://twitter.com/DavidDeutschOxf/status/701383822269616128
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16:09.11dromMonet: How many poly was your Mudbox Draconis?
16:09.30dromAndroImp: Gimme lookie lookie
16:09.46AndroImpdrom: At what
16:10.04Monetdrom: at least 1 million
16:10.25dromAndroImp: You meant your find at the Chinese fair?
16:10.34MonetI'm considering converting the scales into a normal map
16:11.00AndroImpdrom: http://i.imgur.com/j6w3bBvh.jpg
16:12.30dromshit
16:13.03dromMonet: Accidentally told Blender to "remesh" my model with Octree Depth set to 12. Polycount jumped to millions
16:16.02MonetYikes
16:16.14Wormy_Gott watch this TED speech http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35609947
16:16.18Wormy_*gotta
16:22.10Wormy_I hope one day the public will have the opportunity to control small robots on Mars
16:22.32GhelaeBut remember the speed of light time delay.
16:22.34Wormy_Obviously with time delay, but it could scan the region and produce a VR projection.
16:24.12Wormy_Then a person could walk about and explore a point-cloud based environment at a later time.
16:24.28GhelaeTelling the robot to go somewhere however-long in advance and then watching the "live" feed when it's ready could work.
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16:25.39Wormy_On Earth, the technology could be live enough to be at locations and events in person.  And people physically at those locations might be able to interact with your own VR output (maybe we are a bit far from holograms yet but could be 32D)
16:25.42The_RandomnessHello
16:26.01Wormy_*2D
16:26.05GhelaeHello.
16:26.06Wormy_hi
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16:26.22GhelaeHello.
16:26.31HachimanHi
16:26.48The_RandomnessHello
16:29.39dino82_hi
16:34.42dromMonet: http://i.imgur.com/45Z6Egv.png
16:35.49Monet10 million...wow
16:36.49The_Randomnessjeez
16:39.29Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/The_Tyrazerg How original
16:41.01Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/GS3UaWV.jpg
16:41.11Wormy_more http://imgur.com/a/e2dJM
16:41.35Wormy_erm http://i.imgur.com/Zg6eC7U.jpg
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16:42.10HachimanImpyDroid: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/The_Tyrazerg
16:43.18ImpyDroidOhmyfuckingodlol
16:43.23ImpyDroid>the Humans, Grox, and a few other Ultraterrestials.
16:43.34ImpyDroidWait so did he assume humans are Ultraterrestials
16:45.23Wormy_He may mean the Ancient humans if he did his research.
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16:46.10DrodoEmpireHi everyone
16:46.25ImpyDroidNot sure if he can use the Groz
16:46.39ImpyDroid<PROTECTED>
16:46.44ImpyDroidGrox
16:46.47ImpyDroidCan he?
16:47.19Wormy_Considering they were in the wrong namespace, I assume no research was given
16:47.30Wormy_Yes
16:47.36Wormy_They are for everyone
16:47.38ImpyDroidAlrighty then
16:47.44GhelaeThere was enough research to use the word "Ultraterrestrials", at least.
16:47.51ImpyDroidShould I send him a strongly worded letter?
16:48.33GhelaeTheir other creation: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/The_Biomass_War
16:49.01GhelaeIt doesn't just feature the Tyrazerg, but also the Zerganids.
16:49.17ImpyDroidDear lord hur
16:49.20ImpyDroidWell technically
16:49.24Wormy_I g2g, don't be frightening, just speak from a strict sense
16:49.28ImpyDroidHe literally does nothing wrong
16:49.37ImpyDroidHE DINDU NUFFING
16:50.02Wormy_awaySomeone might want to explain namespaces to him, and that starting out OP is ill-advised.
16:50.12GhelaeBesides putting them in the wrong namespace, no, there wasn't anything technically wrong.
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16:54.40ImperiosHmm
16:54.44ImperiosI have an idea
16:54.47Imperios~kick Technobliterator
16:54.48infobotACTION kicks Technobliterator
16:54.50Imperios~kick Wormy_away
16:54.50infobotACTION kicks Wormy_away
16:54.59Technobliteratorwat
16:55.09ImperiosWhat if we have a big disclaimer that fictions belong to the Fiction namespace
16:55.13ImperiosLike for example
16:56.53HachimanThat is redundant
16:56.58HachimanAnd spoonfeeding
16:57.18MonetWell it keeps happening
16:57.23ImperiosHachiman: That we have people nearly every day who face it
16:57.30ImperiosIs proof enough that we need it
16:57.34ImperiosGhrhrhh my English
16:57.52ImperiosThat we have people make that mistake every single day is proof enough that we need further instructions
16:58.18HachimanOr that the people who visit the wiki and do that are inconveniently retarded
16:58.33ImperiosYou forget that "retarded" is a relative term
16:58.38ImperiosLiterally
16:58.46ImperiosIntelligence is a median
16:58.58ImperiosSo if everyone is retarded, no-one is
16:59.08ImperiosAnd in our case, everyone is indeed retarded
16:59.59ImperiosThat, and the disclaimer we have is very awkwardly worded
17:00.30MonetThere is a logic behind FAQs having some painfully obvious answers
17:01.01DrodoEmpireHachiman: Thing is that I worry how clear the rules actually are
17:01.17ImperiosTHere's one thing I know was done in Lurkmore to alleviate similar problems
17:01.39DrodoEmpireSo it might be hard for a newcomer even to find the rules. Ignorance is not a defense, yes, but putting a disclaimer somewhere that is visible at least would inform them better
17:01.44ImperiosTHere was that time when everyone added references when they were needed
17:01.50Imperiosnot needed even
17:01.52HachimanFAQs and disclaimers should not need to be painfully obvious
17:01.58ImperiosYes they should
17:01.58HachimanPeople just need to be smarter and pay attention
17:02.05ImperiosYou did not pay attention
17:02.07ImperiosWhen you first came
17:02.17ImperiosThey don't have our years of experience
17:02.19HachimanIt is not *our* fault that new users keep making their mistakes
17:02.24ImperiosYes it is
17:02.33ImperiosBecause we do not make the rules clear enough
17:02.42DrodoEmpireHachi, how can someone pay attention if its difficult to find out what to pay attention to?
17:02.56ImperiosIF the rules do not work, they need to be strengthened and made more obvious
17:03.17ImperiosAnyway, back to myt point
17:03.45ImperiosSo Lurkmore instated that system: if a user added a ref or a strike, once he tried to submit his changes
17:04.25ImperiosHe would be returned back to the editing window, with his edits still saved, but a warning that refs and strikes are not needed unless absolutely necessary
17:04.34ImperiosWe could try making a similar thing
17:05.03ImperiosHachiman: Paying attention is hard when you literally cannot search for anything by default that is not in the main namespace
17:05.32ImperiosAlso, as I have already stated, if a problem keeps reappearing, then we are doing something wrong
17:07.00ImperiosTechnobliterator: Is the idea I mentioned possible to code?
17:07.20TechnobliteratorWhich idea?
17:07.40Imperios"[20:03:45] <Imperios> So Lurkmore instated that system: if a user added a ref or a strike, once he tried to submit his changes [20:04:25] <Imperios> He would be returned back to the editing window, with his edits still saved, but a warning that refs and strikes are not needed unless absolutely necessary"
17:07.55TechnobliteratorRight, AbuseFilter.
17:08.41TechnobliteratorIt's possible to install it, but it takes a lot of persuading, and Wikia only typically installs it on communities suffering heavily from vandalism.
17:08.55ImperiosThe appropriate filter being the fiction template
17:09.10TechnobliteratorSo I don't know if we'd be able to persuade them to install it on our community, but they may let us slide just because they trust me.
17:10.04Technobliteratoralso, I recall Hachi did pay attention when he first came
17:10.17Technobliteratorand put the Zazane in Creature namespace even before we had these create a page thingies
17:10.23ImperiosTrue that
17:10.28ImperiosSo did I
17:10.50ImperiosOh wait you're actually their work slave hur
17:10.52ImperiosSo you can do stuff
17:11.25ImperiosSEE
17:11.28ImperiosMY GLORIOUS IDEAS WORK
17:13.20HachimanYes and your accusations are wrong because I was a new user and I still did shit properly
17:13.28HachimanI may have been retarded but I was not *that* retarded
17:13.31HachimanWe are not at fault
17:13.46ImperiosWe are not
17:13.48Charles_MImperios : "Implicated" kiind of works, it just has a negative connotation
17:13.51ImperiosBut there's a problem and we need to fix
17:14.00Imperiosfix it
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17:14.08Charles_MIt's like "You are implicated in this crime."
17:14.13ImperiosAh right
17:14.21Charles_MAs opposed to "I'm involved in this project"
17:14.27Charles_MIt implies some kind of blame
17:14.32ImperiosAAAAH
17:14.38HachimanThere is blame to be had
17:14.42TechnobliteratorI'm their...work slave? ?_?
17:14.47ImperiosI know the word for it in Russian
17:14.50ImperiosGot it
17:15.12HachimanCould just outright delete / move the pages that are not fitted in the namespace, give a summary saying they should have put them in the namespace and have them read that so we do not need to approach them
17:15.27ImperiosHachiman: This would not work
17:15.27MonetBit harsh to delete
17:15.31Charles_M^
17:15.33Charles_MJust move
17:15.35ImperiosBecause new users do not see anything
17:15.45HachimanBecause they are stupid
17:15.52ImperiosHachiman: Not my point
17:15.54HachimanWe should not have to spoonfeed them
17:15.58ImperiosYou seek to solve the problem with punishment
17:16.03ImperiosBut they won't see the punishments being inflicted
17:16.09DrodoEmpireHachi, they aren't stupid, they're uninformed
17:16.19Charles_MAlso, Wormy_away or Monet , if you guys want to call on France in order to have them contribute to the effort, send them a message on their wall?
17:16.26DrodoEmpireAnd showing them the rules easier isn't "spoonfeeding"
17:16.29ImperiosErgo your solution will have zero effect on new users because it will not actually informed
17:16.32Imperios*be actually informed
17:16.37Charles_MAnd outline how you'd like them to help
17:16.51Imperios*they won't be actually informed
17:17.29ImperiosAs much as you complain, you do not provide anything useful to save the problem that keeps reemerging
17:17.44ImperiosThese people are stupid, yes, but you know the main law of programming and engineering?
17:17.48ImperiosAlways assume the user is stupid
17:17.50HachimanBecause the problem is not mine or the wiki's
17:18.00ImperiosHachiman: They are not yours
17:18.02HachimanThe problem is with the users
17:18.10ImperiosWhich is why you should not get involved in the discussion to begin with
17:18.14TechnobliteratorRight, it would be much easier to create a subst: template to put on the user's message wall instead.
17:18.32Imperios*have got
17:18.49MonetAs rude as it sounds, when it comes to rulemaking, the best way to go is, honestly, to make them idiot-proof.
17:18.50TechnobliteratorBut I would strongly disagree with you telling someone to "not get involved in the discussion" : |
17:18.56ImperiosHe said the problem is not his
17:18.58ImperiosWhat's his problem
17:19.10ImperiosPreventive measures will significantly ease the job of administrators
17:19.19HachimanMy problem is making the stupidity of the new users the wiki's problem
17:19.21ImperiosThere is zero negative effect from them
17:19.23TechnobliteratorOkay, but that doesn't mean he's not allowed to have a say.
17:19.24HachimanAnd blaming them for their retardation
17:19.34ImperiosHachiman: Who says anyone is to blame?
17:19.43ImperiosIt is the matter of efficiency
17:19.46HachimanThere is always someone to blame
17:19.52HachimanIn this case, the new users
17:19.57ImperiosYes but in this case it does not matter
17:20.08HachimanThey are the ones not reading the rules and using the namespace properly after all
17:20.12ImperiosThe matter is the problem
17:20.22ImperiosHachiman: The rules need to be easily available, genius
17:20.29DrodoEmpire^
17:20.45TechnobliteratorImperios, please don't talk to people in a condescending way like that
17:20.49ImperiosWhy do you think the USSR tried to limit access to the Soviet constitution to the common citizen
17:21.18MonetIf peopel are misunderstanding a rule then the logical possibility is the rule wasn't written in a way they understood.
17:21.19ImperiosTechnobliterator: Alright
17:21.28ImperiosHachiman: Thing is, this thing happens constnatly
17:21.34DrodoEmpireAs far as I can tell, the rules aren't easily found, and hidden behind a few subpages and whatnit
17:21.36DrodoEmpire*whatnot
17:21.38ImperiosIf it was a rare thing, it would be understandable
17:21.44ImperiosBut we see that thing happen like every day
17:21.45TechnobliteratorBut I'm inclined to disagree with you both. I think new users should not be expected to read rules at all.
17:21.48ImperiosIf everyone is stupid, no one is
17:21.55HachimanThe rules are very accessible
17:21.58DrodoEmpireSo I can't blame so new guy for not being able to find the rules
17:22.04DrodoEmpireReally? Fetch me the page.
17:22.10Technobliteratoruh, Drodo
17:22.17Technobliteratorthat's incredibly easy to find
17:22.19TechnobliteratorProject:Rules
17:22.22TechnobliteratorProject:Fiction Universe
17:22.25DrodoEmpireActually fetch me the *pages*, if you want to include the Important Topics too
17:22.27Technobliteratorthese are very easy names
17:22.31ImperiosHachiman: Evidently not if the amount of users who make fiction without reading them is so high
17:22.35TechnobliteratorImportant Topics does not list rules
17:22.43Technobliteratorit lists concepts
17:22.47DrodoEmpireIt lists important fiction information, does it not?
17:22.50Hachimanhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_guidelines and http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe#Rules
17:23.06ImperiosNow
17:23.09Technobliteratoryeah but they're not used as rules
17:23.39Technobliteratoreither way
17:23.42ImperiosThis is ultimately not about the users being stupid, or the system being flawed
17:23.44Technobliteratorthose pages are incredibly easy to find
17:23.46ImperiosThis is about efficiency
17:23.48Technobliteratorand use common sense names
17:23.54TechnobliteratorThe problem is not accessibility of the rules
17:23.55ImperiosWe have to move these pages every single day
17:24.03TechnobliteratorBut I don't think users should even be expected to read rules at all
17:24.09ImperiosThat's pretty stupid
17:24.40DrodoEmpireWell wait
17:24.45DrodoEmpireHow do you mean Tech?
17:24.55DrodoEmpirePeople should just pick it up while they go along?
17:24.59The_RandomnessYeah, people should be expected to read the guidelines
17:25.02ImperiosI mean us having to move pages every single day
17:25.04DrodoEmpireIn that case I don't necessarily disagree
17:25.17TechnobliteratorDrodoEmpire, if you want to start editing Wikipedia, would you expect to go through the long process of reading the projectspace and its intricacies before saving your edit?
17:25.19ImperiosWe could easily avoid that, by stating some basic guidelies
17:25.32The_RandomnessImperios: As if we don't do that already?
17:25.33ImperiosIn the very edit
17:25.40TechnobliteratorThat would slow you down a lot
17:25.45ImperiosThe_Randomness: As in, in the edit section
17:25.48TechnobliteratorAnd in some cases, put you off editing
17:25.54The_Randomness^
17:26.01DrodoEmpireRight, fine
17:26.22DrodoEmpireBut that would mean you are okay with the misplacing of fiction pages
17:26.23ImperiosWe could easily put the veryh basic rules in the edit section for noobs, and the normal rules where it stands
17:26.23TechnobliteratorWhereas if you save your edit, make some mistakes, and are directed to where you went wrong, and later familiarise yourself more with the place, you'll be eased into it much better
17:26.28DrodoEmpireAnd if you are, that's fine
17:26.39ImperiosSo when a low-edit count guy makes a fiction page, he gets the warning
17:26.40DrodoEmpireI don't really have a dog in this race. I'm too tired today to really debate this
17:26.48TechnobliteratorI actually haven't given my opinion on that either way? ?_?
17:26.53DrodoEmpireTech: Eh fair enough
17:27.03The_RandomnessI personally think it's silly that we're making quite as big of a deal out of this as we are
17:27.20TechnobliteratorWell, I would give my opinion on this, but Random just gave it for me
17:27.26Technobliteratorhigh-fives The_Randomness
17:27.36The_RandomnessThe issue is not in how accessible the rules are, rather, people don't even give enough of a shit to even look at them most of the time
17:27.53ImperiosSay whatever you want about them being stupid, or the rules being wrong, but the problem is evident and it exists, and we have to spend quite a lot of time to fix it every day
17:28.06TechnobliteratorImperios, it really doesn't require that much effort
17:28.15The_RandomnessWe don't even spend that much time fixing it
17:28.27ImperiosWell yes but we could easily avoid it
17:28.33TechnobliteratorClick on a page, press "m", click the drop down to change the namespace, write a summary like "Namespace", fix.
17:28.36The_RandomnessIf it was a big deal, I would have to pay attention to recentchanges
17:28.45The_RandomnessWhich I don't
17:29.10TechnobliteratorIf they offend repeatedly, let them know on their talk page.
17:29.21TechnobliteratorAlso, pretty sure The Valader started out making this mistake too : |
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17:29.55GhelaeHello.
17:30.03The_RandomnessHello
17:30.04Technobliteratorhi ghel
17:30.09MonetSo it's not a problem exclusive to "idiots"
17:30.17Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Civan Indeed he did
17:30.21TechnobliteratorNo, no one was arguing that it was
17:30.25Monetif Valadar did it for a time
17:30.39Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Civatron Indeed he did
17:30.47ImperiosTechnobliterator: Hachi
17:31.47TechnobliteratorNo, he was arguing that the problem was with the users and not the rules, not that only stupid people fail to adhere to the rules
17:32.01ImperiosThe problem is with the users yes, but we need to fix it somehow
17:32.10ImperiosAnd we cannot fix the users
17:32.25ImperiosNo amount of punishment will help the users who first come
17:32.26HachimanWe cannot and should not fix the rules or their placement anymore than we have done
17:32.40ImperiosHachiman: Yes we can, and I have already stated how
17:32.46HachimanDo not fix what is not broken
17:32.48TechnobliteratorMy opinion is, if Spore 2 releases and we have a huge influx of users, it might be worth installing AbuseFilter to fix this problem. But as it stands, this is not worth spending time trying to fix.
17:33.16TechnobliteratorAt the most, I would create a subst template to use on the talk pages of the user that outline the instructions for them.
17:34.14ImperiosThat would work
17:34.29ImperiosCan we issue a warning message to new editing users?
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17:35.24ZF101Hello everyone.
17:35.26TechnobliteratorDepends how you mean. AbuseFilter can show users a warning and prevent their edit being saved if it doesn't get past the filter, if that's how you meant. Or a subst template could do the job.
17:35.27Technobliteratorhi
17:35.27ImperiosLike when they are editing
17:35.36TechnobliteratorWhen editing, yes, only with AbuseFilter
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17:36.04ImperiosThey edit, they see a warning like when they are trying to write
17:36.17Technobliteratorhi xho
17:36.20XhoHi
17:36.29TechnobliteratorThat can be done with AbuseFilter, yes
17:36.33ImperiosRight
17:36.41GhelaeHello.
17:36.48ImperiosSo AbuseFilter is a big thing, right?
17:36.51TechnobliteratorI think it can also be done on certain namespaces
17:36.52ImperiosNot easy to get
17:37.11TechnobliteratorAbuseFilter can be enabled on request, but Wikia are cautious about who they give it to
17:37.20TechnobliteratorThis is because it can easily be abused
17:38.04ImperiosAlrighty then
17:38.12ImperiosForget about what I said in that case
17:38.31TechnobliteratorPart of me thinks they won't enable it for us if we're not dealing with a heavy amount of vandalism
17:38.45TechnobliteratorBut another part of me thinks they'll enable it because they trust me enough
17:38.50XhoYou know I'm really quite done with having friends
17:38.52GhelaeIs this all about people putting fiction pages in the mainspace?
17:38.57TechnobliteratorYup
17:38.59XhoAnother person who's in my friends circle has been killed in a car crash
17:39.08Technobliteratordamn
17:39.10Technobliteratorreally? :/
17:39.12XhoYeah
17:39.21ImperiosWow
17:39.21Technobliteratordrunk driving?
17:39.44XhoI'm not even sympathetic anymore, absolutely ridiculous
17:39.52XhoDunno about the drinking part
17:40.04Technobliteratorwell fuck
17:40.11XhoAll I know at the moment is that it was a Fiat Lupo VS a BMW
17:40.16XhoThe BMW obviously won
17:40.51MonetOuch.
17:41.39XhoBut yeah seriously I'm going to stop giving a shit now
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17:46.38GhelaeI don't know if anybody pointed this out, but when creating a new page in the mainspace, there is nothing saying "don't use this namespace if you're writing fiction".
17:46.51GhelaeObviously that doesn't excuse not making the slightest effort to read the rules, or even the main page.
17:47.25MonetBut its a short message that could help
17:47.30GhelaeBut I wonder if it would be more helpful having something other than a Grox encouraging people to make the page.
17:48.04HachimanIt's a short message which promotes spoonfeeding and should not be necessary
17:48.06TechnobliteratorMaybe, it's one of millions of things I would like to improve if I had time
17:48.49GhelaeJust because it shouldn't be necessary doesn't mean it isn't.
17:49.10XhoI would've thought it was one of those unwritten rules
17:49.33Technobliteratorour projectspace in general is pretty bad
17:49.36MonetXho: Unwritten rules tend to be unknown to outsiders and newcomers.
17:49.44Technobliteratorbecause no one has the time/patience to help
17:49.48XhoGood point
17:50.10XhoEh it wouldn't cause any harm to put that rule down
17:51.31Technobliteratorwe have only one Project:Rules page which sucks
17:51.40Technobliteratorand Project:Manual of Style is outdated and bad
17:51.49Technobliteratorbut meh
17:51.53TechnobliteratorI'm way too lazy to edit it
17:58.26dino82_Oh my goodness, was given this link: hilarious :d https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTtLgaqu43k
17:59.26dino82_and bad at the same time :P
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18:16.58JepardiHi
18:19.33GhelaeHello.
18:21.17dino82_hi
18:21.55drom_Technobliterator: You've told that I was involved in something. What was that?
18:22.12TechnobliteratorDa Reckoning in Andromeda
18:22.38drom_Ah yes
18:22.41drom_What about it?
18:23.25The_Randomnessdrom_: Seems like my typical morning http://i.imgur.com/BHZZdfM.png
18:24.55drom_Ahah
18:25.25TechnobliteratorI was just saying that, on Tuesday, I'm going to start the Andromeda Front
18:25.48drom_Oh. Too bad that I've to go to a meeting on tuesday.
18:27.27drom_Hachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1Mte67JMw0
18:28.37ImperiosDAY OF THE PROTECTOR OF THE FATHERLAND
18:28.51ImperiosIt's weird
18:28.57ImperiosWhen I say that in Russian it feels normal
18:29.04ImperiosWhen I translate the name of the day into English
18:29.11ImperiosIt is suddenly very stupid-sounding
18:29.55TekDroidI guess that's why it's so easy for Murica to mock Russia
18:33.31drom_lmao
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18:39.11Wormy_awayGhelae:  I'm tied.  On the one hand, a short message could help.  On the other, I believe it is up to users to make the effort in learning wiki etiquette and code.  That being said, we could make such a template, and some new users might *still* not make the effort to read it, which in a strange ways means it may not be problematic to personal effort anyway.
18:41.16TechnobliteratorAbuseFilter would force them to read it :p
18:41.23GhelaeIt is up to new users to make the effort in learning wiki etiquette, but what about the ones that don't? It's not a huge problem in the grand scheme of things, but if we decide that it is a problem, then what do we do? Just sit around on our "well *I* read the rules" high horse?
18:42.44ImperiosWhat about just making the message on the main page more easily accesible
18:42.58ImperiosLike I do not expect all noobs to even what a namespace is
18:43.07Wormy_awayAt the end of the day, it is their experience which is diminished, not ours.
18:43.14HachimanIt IS accessible
18:43.19Wormy_awayNot unless we pander them.
18:43.28GhelaeIf we do leave a message somewhere, the edit page is the one place all editors are guaranteed to see it.
18:43.33HachimanI am not willing to pander or spoonfeed
18:44.08GhelaeHachiman: So you don't consider it a problem? Or do you have another solution?
18:44.23HachimanI don't consider it a problem
18:44.27Wormy_awayIf users fail to read rthe rules, we tell tell them the problem.  If they continue to ignore or be lazy, they get more and are eventually blocked or their pages deleted
18:44.30GhelaeThat's fine.
18:44.52MonetI agree with Ghelae on a message. Most of the time when I see that Grox message, I'm creating the page anyway.
18:45.21MonetI can't remember the last time I innocuously stumbled into it.
18:45.31GhelaeI don't care much about it either; I'm just making suggestions for what people who are concerned about it could choose to do.
18:45.57Wormy_awayI don't think it's a massive problem, either way.
18:47.18Wormy_awayActually, we should think what is best for the overall wiki experience.  If it means moving less pages and sending less instructional messages, then it improves ours.  Whether or not it will pragmatically have an impact on personal growth in the wiki, we can't know in advance.
18:49.10Wormy_awayIn a way, telling users to move their pages to the fiction namespace is pandering.  If they were properly interested in the wiki, they would see the Recent Changes and work it out for themselves.
18:49.25Wormy_awayOnce a page was moved.
18:50.21Wormy_awayNo, I'm happy to meet half-way and will accept a template or abuse filter.
18:55.27ImperiosThat's my rationale
18:55.31ImperiosWe won't have so much trouble
18:55.48ImperiosOne way or another we will have to fix their mess, better to do it preemptively
18:55.51Wormy_awayWe might actually be pandering less.
18:56.14Wormy_awayAfter-all it is still the user's choice to read.
18:57.57drom_Well, that was fucking magicial
18:59.02TechnobliteratorI think it's a very minor problem
19:00.19Wormy_awayI just love to take things to deep levels.
19:00.37ImperiosIt is, my suggestion was just an idea
19:00.49ImperiosWe could do it if it would be easy to implement it
19:00.57Wormy_awayIt would be.
19:01.07ImperiosThen why not
19:01.10ImperiosLet's do it then
19:01.21Wormy_awayCan't do tonight.
19:01.28TechnobliteratorBecause I don't think it's worth contacting Wikia about getting AbuseFilter
19:01.36Technobliteratorwhen they may just say "no"
19:02.24ImperiosRight
19:02.34ImperiosNot worth the time then
19:02.48TechnobliteratorIt's not about time
19:02.57Technobliteratorit's about whether there's any point doing it
19:03.08TechnobliteratorI don't think this is a big enough issue for there to be a point
19:03.53MonetThe template might be simple enough
19:03.55Ghelae"Abuse" is an overstatement for this kind of activity.
19:04.14TechnobliteratorThe template would likely not help
19:04.29Monet<PROTECTED>
19:04.39TechnobliteratorNo one would read it
19:04.51Technobliteratorthey would post anyway
19:05.14Ghelaehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Newarticletext is the current new article text, for reference.
19:05.20MonetIsn't one of the guidelines to assume good faith?
19:05.56GhelaeIt's true that we should assume good faith, but it's also true that said assumption is violated for people who don't even bother to glance at the wiki's rules.
19:06.49dino82_@Hachi:first named QZazane: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Sinhai_Kakharis
19:06.51GhelaeThat being said, we can't be certain that their lack of reading would apply to something right in front of them. It could simply be not bothering to look for the information rather than deliberately ignoring it.
19:07.13MonetThe good faith is being violated in this case, but it may be because if modern media is any indication, "short and sweet" is the preferred way of delivering information
19:07.23TechnobliteratorThe good faith is absolutely not being violated.
19:07.47TechnobliteratorGood faith would be violated if we deleted their pages and banned them and assumed they were not following rules deliberately.
19:07.48MonetOkay maybe that was the wrong word
19:08.29TechnobliteratorAlso, Ghelae, regardless of the outcome of this discussion, I support completely redoing that MediaWiki page either way : |
19:08.37GhelaeArguably we're assuming good faith but not great faith. Or decent faith but not good faith.
19:09.18TechnobliteratorNo, I think we're not assuming bad faith at all. We're not hurting users for not following rules.
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19:09.50GhelaeWe're certainly not assuming bad faith. I agree there. But this is practically devolving into semantics now. :P
19:10.20Technobliteratorhaha yeah
19:11.49TechnobliteratorI don't know what to replace the Newarticletext with, but definitely not that ugly Grox image
19:12.10TechnobliteratorI always hated Wookieepedia's newarticletext
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19:38.14Wormy_awayTechnobliterator:  I'm the only person that likes it :(
19:38.28Technobliteratori'm not really a fan
19:38.31Wormy_awayThe template could look better
19:38.46Wormy_awayBut the Grox is meant to be a bit cheesey
19:39.22Wormy_awayPerhaps we could have a Jarzo posing
19:41.26Wormy_awayHang on a minute
19:41.32Technobliteratorthe template is my main problem honestly
19:41.34TechnobliteratorNot the image
19:41.37TechnobliteratorThe template just looks ugly
19:42.04Wormy_awayTechnobliterator, Ghelae: The fiction: space templates direct me to an "invalid page title", maybe this is why users are creating pages in the main namespace? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:FormStart?page_name=Fiction%3A&form=Fiction+character
19:42.28TechnobliteratorPersonally, if it were me, I would remove form edits
19:43.54GhelaeWormy_away: I can get that if I only type "Fiction:" into the form. Does it occur under in any other situations?
19:44.19Wormy_awayNo, only the forms.
19:44.45Wormy_awayIt occurs for all non-mainspace creation articles.
19:44.50Wormy_awayUsing the forms
19:46.10TechnobliteratorForms are bugged, so is SMW, I would love to replace them somehow
19:46.32GhelaeOh, if you click the "create [...] page" button without actually typing in a page title.
19:46.32TechnobliteratorBut we won't be able to replace SMW for a while since taxonomy is so reliant on it
19:48.30GhelaeI wouldn't expect people who don't even bother to look at the fact that there's an entry form immediately to the left of what they're clicking to notice a reminder immediately above where they then start typing, though.
19:49.53OluapPlayerXho Hachiman Imperios ImpyDroid: Can we finish that rp?
19:50.33ImperiosHm
19:50.37ImperiosHow long would it take?
19:50.39ImperiosAn hour or so?
19:50.48OluapPlayerDepends of how fast you are to reply
19:50.53ImperiosFair point
19:51.01ImperiosI'm okay with that
19:51.01OluapPlayerDon't ask me about how long it takes, rps take as long as they need
19:53.25OluapPlayerHachiman: blagh
19:55.55ImperiosProbably eating
19:56.17OluapPlayerFuck sake we were talking until minutes ago
19:56.22OluapPlayerJust like yesterday
19:56.24MonetI think asking how long it might take suggests he can't go beyond a certain timespan
19:56.31OluapPlayerI'm never gonna get that fucking section done
19:57.16MonetWelcome to my world.
19:57.29ImperiosMonet x OluapPlayer
19:58.28OluapPlayerThis is one of the reasons I spend most of my time out of the IRC lately
19:58.33OluapPlayerGetting things done seems impossible nowadays
19:58.42TechnobliteratorI think if it gets to that point, the best thing to do is to write it solo
19:59.15OluapPlayerNot when half of the section has been rp'd already
19:59.28OluapPlayerBesides it's too linked to Imp's fiction to do it solo
19:59.30MonetI've done it before
19:59.52OluapPlayerIf it were possible to do it solo, I'd have done it back at january
19:59.54Technobliteratoroh
20:00.46Technobliteratorbbl
20:00.56drom_Monet: Just figured out I could try improving the head. http://i.imgur.com/poXCWdv.png
20:01.20HachimanSorry was afk
20:01.23HachimanYeah I can RP
20:01.25ImperiosRight
20:01.31ImperiosNow we must somehow summon Xho back
20:01.32MonetSeeing the msh might be nice unless it would be too dense.
20:02.00Monetmesh*
20:02.04dromMonet: You meant the wire?
20:02.17MonetYes
20:02.50MonetCan anyone rememer the name of that UN thing we made?
20:03.26Vincent20100http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:United_Gigaquadrantic_Alliance#United_Gigaquadrantic_Alliance_Peacekeeping_Corps
20:04.24dromMonet: Well you are not wrong http://i.imgur.com/8zbHoCM.png
20:05.03MonetYeah I can't read that lol
20:05.11dromI could lengthen the troso and legs though
20:05.41MonetJust a thought though you may need to smoothen the model a bit
20:06.02MonetFor a mesh that complicated, the tail's slooking rather jagged.
20:06.29dromIt is. Because the rings are limited
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20:08.07Wormy_awayhi
20:08.19Wormy_awayXho:  Sweet dreams https://youtu.be/VlFHFE1zpwM?t=1m11s
20:09.18XhoThe music does not help
20:09.19dino82_oh got to go
20:09.21dino82_see ya all next time
20:09.22dino82_bye bye
20:10.14dromMonet: http://i.imgur.com/KnBAvvJ.png
20:10.45MonetOKay...right
20:10.51MonetI can see what you mean about the lack of rings
20:11.36MonetOnly three segments for a tail that long is really pushing it
20:12.49dromI'm aware of it, but I'm not planning to increase the the count right now.
20:13.06dromBecause it is a major pain in the arse to sculpt for now
20:13.31MonetRight
20:13.48MonetI'm looking at this model and thinking to myself that you have a number of rather stretched polygons
20:14.05Monetthe tail and the shins mainly
20:14.44dromSculpting it will solve the most of the problems
20:15.24dromDyntopo = ez
20:15.35Monethttps://3.bp.blogspot.com/-psw4EPNDN58/VsJUTBIdUMI/AAAAAAAAC1c/_Scc6PFLS0Q/s1600/Model-001-Cycle.gif here's my model for reference anyway
20:15.47dromI've seen it
20:15.56dromBut I do understand what you mean
20:30.09OluapPlayerFucking titapad
20:31.32Wormy_awaydrom:  Sculpting, or adding edge loops to break up the stretched faces and manipulating them.  Then again, I'd only go that far if you are animating it, or applying very complex texturing.
20:32.15dromWormy_away: Or go for game asset with HQ normal maps
20:32.25Wormy_awayyeah
20:32.29dromUsing baking and the decimate modifer
20:33.08Wormy_awayWhich reminds me, my 3D web models need to be built again because I was rushing and left bad geometry
20:37.13HachimanOh my fucking God FUCKPAD
20:43.13ImperiosMonet: Dergon
20:43.36ImperiosI actually like that kind of Draconis design, it works more with their sophisticated culture
20:43.47ImperiosThey're more slender, more elegant, more graceful
20:44.04MonetImperios: I wondered about linking a higher res version I've been working on.
20:44.13ImperiosI think you already did
20:44.17ImperiosTHe one with scales right
20:44.29MonetYeah
20:44.36MonetThough not on this channel
20:45.38dromMonet: Editing the model to expand, extend or shorten high-poly parts is very messy, but easily restored with the proper hand at sculpting http://i.imgur.com/XwxqdAJ.png
20:46.19Vincent20100~seen cyrannian
20:46.19infobotcyrannian <uid97882@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oobzbeylwvdhclpz> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 23h 21m 57s ago, saying: 'i blame u'.
20:46.37dromSecondly, I've already pictures and backup saves of the old model, so I'm all good
20:52.37Wormy_awayButbutbut  There are only trace gases that escape the surface in ridiculously tiny amounts on the Moon... https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/46rpmz/nasa_reveals_astronauts_heard_unexplained_music/
20:54.03Wormy_awayOh wait, the claim is astronauts heard it on their radios when Earth was obscured.
20:57.39MonetI found one Redditor pointing out that it might be tabloid spin
20:58.13Monet"strange static" might not be impressive, but "unexplained music?" that's going ot get peopel talking
20:58.27Wormy_awayI think you are right
20:59.07MonetSadly it's becoming more regular for headliens to be...well...clickbait-y.
20:59.12Wormy_awayI am now listening to the recordings, and it sounds like the classic radio static you get in space
20:59.16MonetIt works though
20:59.33Wormy_awayThe astronauts probably joked about how it sounded like space music
20:59.48Wormy_awayBut that won't make the headlines
21:02.59*** join/#sporewiki Halopediaman (Halopediam@68-119-26-18.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com)
21:03.19Wormy_awayThe Moon doesn't have a magnetosphere however
21:03.49Wormy_awaywell, extremely weak and fragmented one
21:04.26Wormy_awaymoon dust?
21:08.00ImperiosWormy_away Monet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQUWlzmXX3M You sure that's suitable for children
21:09.03*** join/#sporewiki Cyrannian|Semi (uid97882@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hrztdoaiqmzsosgi)
21:09.05Wormy_awayI think it is fine.
21:09.19Wormy_awayHi]
21:09.30*** mode/#sporewiki [+o Cyrannian] by ChanServ
21:09.37CyrannianHi
21:09.43MonetImperios: No more strange than what you get on 4Music or MTV.
21:09.46OluapPlayer~dropkick Cyrannian
21:09.46infobotACTION sends Cyrannian flying like a yipping chihuahua
21:09.46MonetHi
21:09.49Cyrannian~smash OluapPlayer
21:09.49infobotACTION flings an anvil in OluapPlayer's general direction
21:10.10Wormy_awayYou scared waptor away y u do did
21:10.12Wormy_awaydis
21:13.50OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_War_of_Black_Fog/Part_3#Shu.27wokerama.27s_Intervention I ACTUALLY got it done
21:14.18OluapPlayerIt only took nearly 2 months
21:15.52OluapPlayerImperios: Now you have no excuse to not read the war's ending
21:15.55OluapPlayergit to it
21:17.14XhoSo is that the war officially finished
21:17.30OluapPlayerWell the war officially ended back in january
21:17.34OluapPlayerThat was just a section I had skipped
21:17.38Xhorip in pieces fog war never 4get
21:19.02ImperiosHachiman: Just to make things sure
21:19.08HachimanOh my God
21:19.11HachimanI said it's fine
21:19.14HachimanStop worrying
21:19.24ImperiosWhy should I
21:19.35ImperiosIf I did not imply it enough I must add a few more sections later on
21:19.40ImperiosSOmewhere in the third part perhaps
21:19.47ImperiosAnyway
21:19.56ImperiosDid you find Prima Arcana's appearance in general unexpected or that Lupercal became it precisely
21:20.33HachimanI knew that Felaanith would appear eventually because of course he would but how and when he appeared just came off as deus ex machina to me
21:21.15OluapPlayerBecause you didn't pay attention to the other sections featuring the Anointed
21:21.58OluapPlayerIt's not Imp's fault
21:21.59ImperiosRight
21:22.08OluapPlayerSo he needs to stop worrying and READ THE ENDING
21:22.10ImperiosPErhaps I should have made it clearer that Prima is Felaanith
21:22.11HachimanI wasn't saying it was Imp's fault
21:22.13ImperiosI am reading right now
21:22.29OluapPlayerImp is blaming himself over it
21:22.29ImperiosAnd holy shit Pirates of the Caribbean hur
21:22.35OluapPlayerThat is what I mean
21:22.38OluapPlayerwait wat
21:23.38ImperiosRemember Pirates of the Caribbean 3
21:24.06ImperiosThe ending
21:24.09ImperiosDavy Jones' death
21:24.30OluapPlayerOh
21:24.38OluapPlayerThat was a coincidence
21:24.48OluapPlayerI didn't have any inspiration in mind while writing
21:24.48XhoFALL TO THE ABYSS
21:25.14ImperiosAnyway Oluap's opinion on whether the reveal was appropriate does not really count because he was aware of the ending full well
21:25.15ImperiosNow Xho
21:25.36OluapPlayerDon't forget the Primogius section
21:25.37ImperiosDid you feel Felaanith appearing was too unexpected
21:25.40OluapPlayerThat's where the ending starts
21:25.43ImperiosI read it
21:26.02XhoI ain't offering an opinion on this
21:26.03OluapPlayeri need feedback nghngh
21:28.13ImperiosRight so
21:28.27ImperiosThe hints I was giving were the discussions of the Anointed
21:28.43ImperiosThe musings of Lupercal on why they even were stuck in such a place
21:28.52ImperiosTheir contrast with Kagu
21:28.58ImperiosHm
21:30.13OluapPlayerNow I can move on back to the fantasyverse
21:30.20OluapPlayerExcept the next plot's cast is STILL undecided
21:30.26OluapPlayerbecause you're all lazy and awful
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21:33.24DanzaDelMondoI'm probably going to work more on the Shattering now
21:33.30XhoDoes anyone wanna watch me make a thingy in Spore
21:33.40DanzaDelMondoAnd the archaeology plot with Frenchie, Bork and Commie
21:34.20MonetXho: I'd be interested
21:34.45dromI'M NOT A GODDAMN BORK
21:34.50dromOSTKAKA
21:36.32DanzaDelMondodrom: And neither am I a Russkie hur
21:36.38DanzaDelMondoYet Oluap keeps calling me that
21:37.03dromDanzaDelMondo: you goddamn zergling rusher hur
21:37.05DanzaDelMondoI can only be called Russkie if it is an adjective and precedes "Koreyets/Korean"
21:37.32DanzaDelMondoRusskie is unique among all Russian ethnonyms in that it is both an adjective and a noun
21:38.02DanzaDelMondoIt may be the norm in English, bot most Russian names for ethnicities are more like your "Spaniard" or "Englishman"
21:38.45DanzaDelMondo"Russkie" may refer to the post-Soviet diasporas to show that they A) mostly speak Russian B) are closely related culturally to Russians
21:38.52OluapPlayerYou'll forever be the russian guy of the wiki
21:38.58OluapPlayerSo you'll forever be the ruskie to me
21:38.59DanzaDelMondoSuch as "Russkie German"
21:39.00OluapPlayerruskie
21:39.06DanzaDelMondoROSSIYANIN
21:39.20dromOluapPlayer is the stinking monkey of Sporewiki
21:39.28DanzaDelMondoThe difference is the same as the difference between the Brit and the Englishman
21:39.51DanzaDelMondoThough all our Brits are also English
21:39.55DanzaDelMondoDo we have any Scots?
21:39.59TechnobliteratorWhat would I count as?
21:40.11OluapPlayerDanzaDelMondo: Last thing for you to add to the Fog War is the Radeon/Artharon contribution of the "everyone shoots Shu'rim but he laughs it off" bit
21:40.41OluapPlayerYou're a britbong
21:40.41Wormy_awayRichardson told me he lived in Scotland before moving to Canada.
21:41.10XhoSo no more takers then
21:41.27OluapPlayerno fuk u lul
21:41.55Monet<PROTECTED>
21:42.10TechnobliteratorI mean, I'm Lithuanian
21:42.20DanzaDelMondoActually yes Jo
21:42.21OluapPlayerLives in britbong, acts like britbong
21:42.22OluapPlayeris britbong
21:42.24DanzaDelMondoJo is British but not English
21:42.27dromAnyway. If I had a good internet enough to stream. Would anyone wanna watch me modelling on Blender?
21:42.32DanzaDelMondoJo is Britbong yes
21:42.33Technobliterator:c
21:42.42Wormy_awayOn matters like this, it is how you feel.
21:42.54OluapPlayerYou, Xho, Wormy, Hachi, Monet and Ghelae
21:42.56OluapPlayerAll britbongs
21:42.58Xhoaye
21:43.09OluapPlayergod save the queen m8
21:43.15DanzaDelMondoBritbongs is a more general term than russkie though
21:43.19MonetWOuldn't the -Bong suffix be specific to Londoners?
21:43.20Wormy_awayIf Jo said she was Lithuanian and English, I'd see no conflict.
21:43.31DanzaDelMondoYou can become a britbong
21:43.49OluapPlayerThe science of britbonging
21:43.57DanzaDelMondoI am curious what would happen if another Russian entered the wiki
21:44.16dromSporewiki consumed by stalinism
21:44.35Wormy_awaySporeWii
21:44.43dromАлл хаил оур нев руссиан оверлордс!
21:44.44Wormy_awaySporeWiki, the year of the Red Revolution
21:45.16MonetDanza: You'd be Ruskie no.1 and the other guy would be RUskie no. 2
21:45.31MonetAlthough could Vinny be an honorary Ruskie?
21:45.37dromЕверёне! Летьс старт вритинг ин Цртиллиц!
21:45.49DanzaDelMondodrom: Thank God I am not Russian but K- oh wait this only makes my case worse
21:45.56DanzaDelMondoCan't run away now, either way I am a commie hur
21:46.12OluapPlayerYou'd engage in eternal political discussion
21:46.12dromHur
21:46.16OluapPlayerand i'd ragequit forever
21:46.24dromДо ит!
21:46.26DanzaDelMondoVinny is just a Commie
21:46.35dromДо ит! До ит! До ит!
21:46.36DanzaDelMondoThere's a difference between a Commie and a Russkie
21:46.43MonetI know
21:46.47Cyrannian|Semihttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/7/71/ValkistairInauguration.png/revision/latest?cb=20160221214505 - yey democracy
21:46.49DanzaDelMondoRusskies are nostalgic for Commies
21:46.55Wormy_awayI have Russian and Slavic in my Imperios
21:46.59Wormy_away*me
21:47.02DanzaDelMondoCyrannian|Semi: #MakeRepublicGreatAgain
21:47.14OluapPlayerValkistair - im da bes
21:47.17MonetDanzaDelMondo: Well...Vinny does seem to like the Soviet Union
21:47.27DanzaDelMondoI like the Bauhaus-esque houses in the city
21:48.02OluapPlayerVery good pic though, good use of the little crowd thingy
21:48.36Cyrannian|Semidanke, I'll make a couple more images tonight for various fictions, I've been slacking lately
21:48.44OluapPlayerYes, yes you have
21:48.50OluapPlayeryou awful entity
21:48.57DanzaDelMondoBut yes Cyrannians use bauhaus
21:49.01DanzaDelMondo<33333
21:49.12OluapPlayerYou can't slack, you're my only hope here
21:49.24DanzaDelMondoWhich kinda makes me think of the NCR as space Israel
21:49.24Cyrannian|Semiquickly googles "bauhaus", but remains confused
21:49.32Wormy_awayBut I also have Norse, Irish and Saxon genes
21:49.34DanzaDelMondoCyrannian|Semi: An architectural style
21:49.43DanzaDelMondoMostly German/Jewish, very common in Israel
21:49.58DanzaDelMondohttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%96%D7%99%D7%90%D7%95%D7%9F_%D7%94%D7%91%D7%90%D7%95%D7%94%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A11.jpg For example
21:50.06DanzaDelMondoThe houses in the city look a bit like his
21:50.09MonetAh yes
21:50.21MonetWas going to say I recall Bauhaus is very popular in Tel Aviv.
21:50.30DanzaDelMondohttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Bauhaus_weimar.jpg Or this
21:50.32Cyrannian|SemiAh, so the big buildings with the green roofs? They are based on 1920s New York art deco
21:50.33MonetBauhaus/the international style
21:50.53DanzaDelMondoAh
21:51.00DanzaDelMondo>International
21:51.01DanzaDelMondo>Tel Aviv
21:51.11DanzaDelMondoMy inner /pol/ack is tingling
21:51.50Monethttps://cosmogeny.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/telaviv5.jpg ta-daa
21:52.04MonetRememebr imp that International stemmed from Bauhaus thinkers.
21:52.35ImpyDroidMonet: I cannot help but feel that the Jews are behind this
21:53.22MonetImpyDroid: Actually if I remember my studies correctly, Bauhaus spread to America because the Nazis tried to close dow nthe Bauhaus school of design.
21:53.37ImpyDroidSee
21:53.46dromImpyDroid: http://i.imgur.com/O47Fwzc.png
21:54.03MonetI think it might have been too Communistic to their tastes.
21:54.36ImpyDroidHachiman: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1456084596120.png
21:54.56ImpyDroidNow I want to make a Bauhaus-esque house in Spore
21:55.08ImpyDroidNow which fiction though
21:55.13MonetCyrannian: Though the sight of the massive shiny presidential palace seems like a stark contrast to the surrounding buildings
21:55.42ImpyDroidIt is not a gigantic Byzantine-Ottoman church-mosque so not the Divinarium
21:56.09MonetImpyDroid: Solarites?
21:56.25MonetMaybe this new human civ you were working on
21:56.36ImpyDroidMaybe the NTA in general, the Solarites have more skyscrapers and the like
21:56.37ImpyDroidHm
21:56.45ImpyDroidA Bauhaus ecumenopolis
21:56.59Wormy_awaybbl
21:57.07MonetBauhaus is a rather clinical school of design
21:57.27MonetA time when the coming machine age was hoped ot be celebrated
21:58.03dromImpyDroid Monet: What? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Wuppertal_-_Bauhaus_04_ies.jpg
21:58.36ImpyDroidIt would fit into a more idealistic and secular faction
21:58.44dromYou are talking about a home supply store in the size of a planet?
21:58.47MonetIt would, yeah
21:58.48ImpyDroidMaybe the PAE proper
21:59.41MonetWell, as nice as the desig nis I recall it recieved a backlash.
22:00.16MonetPeople at the time thought International was bland compared to Art Deco.
22:00.40MonetActually if I recall I think I tried International-style houses in the DI. Let me find the picture
22:01.49dromMonet: http://i.imgur.com/p9awV6Y.png
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22:02.08OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/TPPNKay.jpg yes, my favorite character from Star Wars, the Wise Puppet
22:02.37ImpyDroiddrom: kok
22:02.50dromwot
22:02.52MonetImperios: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/6/6c/VencortiumPrimeView.png/revision/latest?cb=20130812145147 down the front, the smaller buildings
22:03.14ImpyDroidOh now I remember these
22:03.38Monetdrom: LOving the musculature at the back
22:03.50OluapPlayerTechnobliterator: http://i.imgur.com/L7Dc7Qo.jpg Revolver_Ocelot.jpg
22:04.17Technobliteratorhahahaha
22:04.22MonetImpyDroid: So maybe there is some Bauhaus in the PAE
22:04.37dromMonet: I think I did kind of improve the legs a bit.
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22:05.28dromEven after my ultimate choice to stretch their troso and their legs
22:05.59dromIt balances out the proportions between the arms and the legs.
22:06.49MonetHead seems a little small
22:07.05dromMonet: Currently, I'm hitting about 500,000+ polys
22:08.31MonetImpyDroid: I wondered lately if MD or other Draconid metropoli could resemble crystal formations gilded with gold.
22:09.09ImpyDroidTheir main form of defense is to blind the invader with sininess
22:11.02MonetA ity centre made entirely of diamond works for the Gallente.
22:11.21MonetThey stuck their high command centre deep underneath such a thing.
22:11.50MonetSo if you want to kill Gallente high command, you have to pouind the city above int oglittering dust. Which will be a pain
22:11.56CyrannianImpyDroid: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/07/Ezduiin_Incident_01.png/revision/latest?cb=20160221221042 - time for a bloodbath
22:12.25ImpyDroidCyrannian: EAAAAAAAAAAH
22:12.30ImpyDroidI CANNOT BREAK HIM
22:13.03Monet"Nice lungs you got there"
22:14.29dromMonet: I hate doing heads hur
22:15.02MonetYeah I got thinking, if the Draconis are as artistically devleoped as their age and senses imply, neoclassical or baroque architecture might nto do the mjsutice
22:15.34Monetmight not do them justice*
22:30.55Xhohttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/f/fd/ViNavitum2016.png/revision/latest?cb=20160221223030 LIGHT IS NOT GOOD
22:33.40MonetQuite slender
22:33.44MonetElegant
22:37.01OluapPlayerdere no light in dat
22:37.49XhoKithworto - well
22:38.11HachimanXho: https://youtu.be/HgQEuPw942c?t=8s
22:38.28OluapPlayerdere even less light in kithworto
22:38.33XhoHachiman: Oh god why
22:40.30Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qMtsir0l9k
22:43.31Hachimanalright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright alright
22:43.48HachimanAnywho
22:48.06CyrannianOluapPlayer: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/d/d5/Ezduiin_Incident02.png/revision/latest?cb=20160221224745 - c
22:50.58OluapPlayerCyrannian: yey
22:51.08OluapPlayerYou got his size right, gud waptor
22:57.21HachimanJesus he is huge
23:00.25Cyrannianhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/94/Ezduiin_Incident_03.png/revision/latest?cb=20160221225952 - Cythonia turns on the scare factor
23:01.23Hachimandem legs
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23:23.24XhoThe_Randomness: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1471274_10151829443421840_1756693246_n.jpg?oh=d84c740141ba934955fef614aa0cba66&oe=5724F898
23:23.35The_Randomnessrofl
23:24.12The_Randomnessblind pick at its worst in a nutshell
23:26.00OluapPlayerCythonia - built for scary seks
23:26.06OluapPlayerAnd yes, Thaurlathron is huge
23:26.17OluapPlayerI mentioned a Mortalitas, who are 4m tall average, only reach his waist
23:26.27OluapPlayer*reaches
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