IRC log for #sporewiki on 20151027

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00:05.15DrodoEmpireHello again!
00:05.20Lord-RaydonHello!
00:06.44Lord-RaydonQuestion: Is anyone here good at making flags and banners? I really want to remake my flag for the Raydoni, but I'm not artistically inclined.
00:07.39DrodoEmpireA few people here are yeah
00:07.44DrodoEmpireCharles_Murray is good
00:07.51DrodoEmpireMonet as well I believe
00:08.36Lord-RaydonAh, okay.
00:08.56Lord-RaydonMonet, would you be interested in helping me remake some flags? If you have the time, of course.
00:09.26MonetPossibly.
00:10.48MonetWe could talk about what you need
00:10.50Lord-RaydonGreat. I'd appreciate the help.
00:10.56Lord-RaydonAlright.
00:14.39Lord-RaydonI'm not wanted to totally remake them, mind you. It's just that they don't look really good since I've never been good at that sort of thing.
00:15.04Lord-RaydonThe most I could ask is for you to make better looking versions of what I already made.
00:15.32Lord-RaydonAnd as far as know there's only two flags that I want to replac
00:15.38Lord-Raydon*replace
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00:30.34dromGRONK
00:31.33Lord-RaydonUh, hi?
00:32.37dromGRONK
00:33.22Lord-RaydonInteresting.
00:33.29dromGRONK
00:36.04DrodoEmpireHe's weird, don't worry
00:36.04DrodoEmpireXD
00:38.07Lord-RaydonAh, okay. XD
00:38.15dromShut up, Drodo
00:38.25dromI mean- GRONk
00:40.57DrodoEmpire3:
00:41.45drom~give DrodoEmpire a cookie
00:41.47infobotACTION gives DrodoEmpire a home-baked macadamia nut cookie to cheer him up.
00:42.11Wormy_GRUNK
00:42.41dromGRONK
00:47.01dromIn other news though, I'm happy to say that NS is moving their GQ debut to Bunsen Galaxy, in 32 000 BC.
00:48.32dromThe consequnences? Their debut in Andromeda and Milky Way will be very likely to be moved to back in time.
00:48.57DrodoEmpireAhh.
00:51.25dromI won't be unwinding their year of Cyrandi debut due to rules and reasons
00:52.31Lord-RaydonDumb question, but what's the current year in the fictionverse? I can seem to find the current date.
00:52.43Chantal71That reminds me of something.
00:53.06dromSo if the consequenes affect your plans of interaction with my Nomatari Sovereignty fiction, feel free to tell me your plans so I'll be aware of such plans and attempt to integrate them
00:53.41Chantal71A member of the SporeWiki Fiction Universe wanted to eventually colonise Phradox, and I might alos if the user carries on with that.  Is it permitted?
00:53.45DrodoEmpireLord-Raydon, it depends as weird as that sounds
00:53.49DrodoEmpire2803 for most people
00:53.59DrodoEmpireTechnically though, it *should* be 2811/12
00:54.09DrodoEmpireBut people are still doing events for 03/04
00:54.15dromLord-Raydon: 2804 if you pick the slowest trend, 2811 if you pick the fastest trend
00:54.53DrodoEmpireRight.
00:55.12Lord-RaydonAh, okay. I suppose that makes sense. Where would I go to find that out in the future?
00:55.21DrodoEmpireI'll fetch something
00:55.41DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User%3ATek0516- Buddy here made a clock
00:55.55Chantal71Right, that application that gives you the time in the RP.
00:55.59DrodoEmpireDisplays the date in real time in most of the calendars
00:56.26dromDrodoEmpire: Tek's clock shows the fastest trend or the very mainstream trend pre 2015
00:56.41DrodoEmpire^
00:56.43Lord-RaydonHuh, nifty. Thanks. :D
00:57.00DrodoEmpireA *lot* has been happening in 2015 so the timescale has unofficially slowed down
00:57.04DrodoEmpireBut yeah
00:57.15dromI however made a clock too, that shows the slowest trend, aka the post 2015 trend for some. http://martinlyra.github.io/Ficlock/
00:57.22dromSadly, it isn't perfect
00:57.36DrodoEmpireNah its cool
00:58.16dromNo other capacities than show the real time. To time travel, I guess you have to adjust your system clock and then refresh the page, I've never tried that though
00:58.27dromshowing*
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01:09.02Chantal71Wait, in which RP year did the RP start?
01:10.28DrodoEmpireThe fictionverse, and around the 2740's.
01:11.06Lord-RaydonWell at least I haven't missed too much time.
01:11.16Lord-RaydonI started in the 2790's
01:25.32Chantal71KK.
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01:34.25The_RandomnessHello
01:34.36Lord-RaydonHi
01:36.25DrodoEmpireHello
01:40.39dromHeyo
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02:09.23Wormy__Radeon http://i.imgur.com/6LyUDrH.jpg
02:09.47DrodoEmpireohgodno
02:10.11The_RandomnessWutFace
02:11.11Lord-RaydonWhat is THAT
02:11.21DrodoEmpirehttp://ayylmao.rocks/
02:11.24DrodoEmpireayy
02:11.39The_Randomnessnice mem
02:11.41The_Randomnesse
02:12.07dromhttp://imgur.com/gallery/tNH3v
02:12.24Wormy__http://imgur.com/gallery/K0U4K5x
02:12.34dromI lost all of my sides at this panel http://i.imgur.com/4lgl9N6.png
02:13.21Wormy__http://imgur.com/gallery/jVuU1Jn
02:14.36DrodoEmpiredarn
02:14.47Wormy__http://imgur.com/gallery/1maI6a7
02:23.23dromGonna save this for later: http://i.imgur.com/uN6SVUn.webm
02:23.33DrodoEmpireololol
02:27.54dromhttp://imgur.com/gallery/ikbrq
02:29.03Monetgoodnight
02:38.44DrodoEmpiretest
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06:14.31Lord-RaydonHey.
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09:22.57GhelaeHello.
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09:51.31HachimanHi Imp
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11:33.03Wormy_hi
11:33.41HachimanHi
11:35.45Wormy_I hate this "copy my post if you want to stay being my friend" nonsense on Facebook
11:36.24Wormy_Let the Wookiee win http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/26/chewbacca-detained-for-lack-of-id-while-driving-darth-vader-to-ukraine-election
11:36.38Liquid_InkWhy can't it just be a "I'm having a purge, comment if you want to survive"
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11:56.15HachimanHai
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13:34.08Wormy_"To a dog, mermaids are real."  http://imgur.com/gallery/9ZvUcmF
13:38.58OluapPlayerClever
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14:14.30Wormy_Hachiman:  I've forgotten how cool Thunerbirds vehicles look http://pinktentacle.com/images/10/komatsuzaki_7_large.jpg
14:14.37Wormy_Thunderbirds
14:14.50HachimanYeah Thunderbirds had rather stylistic vehicles
14:16.36Wormy_I'm looking at whether they could actually fly - they can, as anything can, but how well?  Thunderbird 2 may work with some adjustments, like a smoother lift body and without the wings
14:20.45Wormy_I saw this when I was little and it was the most epic thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOCmI72eRh4
14:32.46Wormy_I like the style of sci-fi in the 60's to 70's (after atompunk), but before all this everything is an ipad fashion that has sucked in everything
14:33.19Wormy_Its grittier and bulkier but it has more appeal to me
14:33.35Wormy_and still looks like it could be fururistic
14:33.43Wormy_*futuristic
14:37.28Wormy_Example http://sfor.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/chris_foss_travelling_cities.jpg http://www.artistsuk.co.uk/acatalog/mini-Icebergs_in_Space_Foss.JPG http://coolvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/chris-foss-3.jpg  http://tinyurl.com/ocehyv6
14:38.36Wormy_Hey
14:38.56Wormy_I didn't know Chris Foss (the artist of the above images) worked on Guardians of the Galaxy
14:48.06Wormy_More http://visualmelt.com/Peter-Elson  http://payload118.cargocollective.com/1/1/60195/4664446/jw20year20v20sci-fi20art20wall2007920-20tim20white.jpg https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/photo.goodreads.com/hostedimages/1380403880i/785841.jpg
14:48.42Wormy_These sorts of pictures are my principle inspiration for human ships in SporeWikiverse
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15:03.41JepardiHi
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15:40.36The_MEOW_KingNe:
15:40.41The_MEOW_KingHello*
15:44.55HachiTopHi
15:48.54The_MEOW_KingI would like to join the fiction universe. Any tips to make a good empire/fiction?
15:51.56HachiTopThere is an official guide somewhere
15:53.17HachiTophttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Guidelines/Good_Starter_Example This as a basis, avoid this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Guidelines/Bad_Starter_Example and have a read through this http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Guidelines
15:54.27The_MEOW_KingAccording to the Good starter example, creating a good faction doesn't looks very hard.
15:54.51HachiTopIt is not hard so long as you have an idea in mind to stick to
15:55.01The_MEOW_KingA little questions : Do pages have to follow a specifi layout?
15:55.16The_MEOW_Kingspecific*
15:56.07HachiTopNot really but a majority of pages do
15:56.36The_MEOW_KingCan I have a link to one of those pages?
15:57.38HachiTophttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Zoles_Imperium
15:58.29The_MEOW_KingOkay, I see.
15:58.42OluapPlayerAhem, that's my layout, which not everyone uses
15:58.50OluapPlayerYou're free to structure your page as you see fit
16:01.50The_MEOW_KingOkay, but most pages share a similar layout, with the "history" section, the "caracteristics" sections..., right?
16:02.29HachiTopThey tend to yeah
16:05.46Tek0516It varies by page but the general structure is usually the same
16:05.51The_MEOW_KingI see
16:06.25The_MEOW_KingI can't find the Tiers page anywhere, do you have a link to it?
16:07.02Tek0516That's something that gets revamped constantly. I think it's somewhere on the forums.
16:07.07HachiTopI think Wormy might
16:08.02TechnobliteratorPft
16:08.09TechnobliteratorThat's my layout :o
16:08.44Tek0516http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:192744 This might be the latest
16:08.46TechnobliteratorWe can't actually enforce things like page layouts, so just follow whatever article you like and do that
16:09.05TechnobliteratorI use one I came up with for another wiki, I know Cyrannian uses one inspired by Wookieepedia
16:11.17The_MEOW_KingI would like to know if what I have in mind is too overpowered or if it's fine
16:12.00The_MEOW_KingAn empire with around 250 systems, warp drive technology and a superweapon capable of destroying mars-sized planets, at the cost of high energy
16:12.13Technobliteratorno such thing as overpowered if it stays within the rules
16:12.14Technobliterator:o
16:12.28Technobliteratorbut no, that's fine
16:12.46TechnobliteratorI personally would focus more on the backstory than on the technology
16:12.52Technobliteratorbut that's mostly because that's what I do
16:14.14The_MEOW_KingDon't worry about the backstory, I got a LOT of stuff to say, so it won't be empty
16:16.30Wormy_Hi
16:17.44Wormy_The_MEOW_King:  What would be the method of planetary destruction?
16:18.26Tek0516The superweapon is a little extreme
16:18.34Wormy_If its anything like the Death Star's superlaser, it will push the tier up a long way, but doesn't mean you can't have such things.
16:19.57The_MEOW_KingThe canon would generate a tredenmous shock wave and propel it toward the planet, almost instantly melting the surface and upper mantle, leaving a barren consisting of the former lower mantle and the core. The planet's remnants would be covered in a static electricity field for several Earth months, greatly impeding any landing
16:20.23The_MEOW_KingIt doesn't blow the planet up, but instead strips away the crust and the upper mantle
16:21.38The_MEOW_KingThe shockwave would eject the electrons from the atom's nucleis, turning the crust into plasma, which is then blown away by a second shockwave
16:22.11The_MEOW_KingAnything directly behind the planet is greatly damaged by the plasma created.
16:22.24HachiTopSounds like an awful lot of resources to waste on destroying a planet which could offer more resources instead
16:22.36The_MEOW_KingIts for EXTREME cases
16:22.49Wormy_Since its a vacuum, the shockwave would have to be electromagnetic, i.e. a superlaser.  But a big kinetic impact on the other hand, would strip the crust and melt upper portions of the mantle
16:23.00The_MEOW_KingIt is electromagnetic
16:23.03HachiTopbrb
16:23.31The_MEOW_KingIt's only used in extreme cases, as a last ressort
16:24.49Wormy_I imagine it would be a weapon for show, more than anything - since vapourising a planet's crust and upper mantle does take nearly supernova level energies
16:25.00The_MEOW_KingYep
16:25.12Wormy_That's if it was turned into plasma
16:25.19The_MEOW_KingPretty much like the nuclear weapon today, it's used as a "Don't attack me or I blast your planet"
16:25.49The_MEOW_King(even if the tredemous amount of power needed makes it hard to fire)
16:26.10Wormy_That does sound a bit OP to me, especially if you don't want such a high tier.  Not the planet cracking part, but the turning the crust to *plasma* part
16:26.25The_MEOW_KingHmmm you are right.
16:26.37The_MEOW_KingBetter idea :
16:26.43The_MEOW_KingInstead of turning the crust into plasma
16:27.25Wormy_However, that would be unnecessary, when it is much easier to blow up the planet's crust and melt the upper mantle using superlasers, or more efficiently, a huge impactor
16:28.23The_MEOW_KingIt causes large cracks in the crust, then the second shockwaves blows the cracked crust away
16:28.44Wormy_That sounds far more feasible
16:28.47The_MEOW_KingThe upper mantle is then melted away using an high-energy laser
16:29.20HachiAwayBut why
16:29.20Wormy_I imagine without the adequate pressure, the mantle would melt anyway
16:29.20The_MEOW_KingYeah
16:29.21HachiAwayBlowing away the crust is enough to destroy most traces of civilisation anyway
16:29.27The_MEOW_KingRight
16:29.29HachiAwayAnd cause untold ecological side-affects
16:29.39The_MEOW_KingSo the canon would only blow the crust away
16:29.57The_MEOW_Kingleaving the molten mantle exposed
16:30.54Wormy_http://cdn0.cosmosmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/20110324_meteor_hr.jpg
16:30.57Wormy_Like this
16:31.40The_MEOW_Kingyep
16:31.48Wormy_A few shots of that, and you will kill the rest of the planet as molten rock spews into orbit and smothers the planet in fire
16:32.05The_MEOW_KingYeah!
16:32.26The_MEOW_KingBut the weapon, as I said, requires a LOT of power
16:32.38Wormy_And it does the job, without needing supernova-level energies to turn everything into plasma, you might as well have blown the planet up
16:33.30Wormy_If it was a directed energy weapon, yes it would be at a huge cost
16:33.58Wormy_But throwing asteroids or projectiles at high velocity, would be less so
16:34.45The_MEOW_KingBut, there is an advantage to the energy weapon :
16:34.58The_MEOW_KingThe remains are covered with a very strong magnetic field, and
16:35.14The_MEOW_Kingthis magnetic field is so powerful that it can disable ships around the planet
16:35.23Wormy_You mention that your fiction has warp drive technology, well, if the projectile is placed outside the warp bubblem and then fired, you have yourself a high velocity projectile that can do the same thing
16:36.38The_MEOW_KingHmmmm
16:37.42The_MEOW_KingI still prefer using an energy-based weapon, as the magnetic field effect can be useful
16:38.14The_MEOW_Kingand the beam's power can be lowered
16:38.29The_MEOW_Kingso it can be used against incoming enemy fleets
16:42.15The_MEOW_KingWhat tier do you think my fiction should be?
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16:48.31Wormy_They sound either very high Tier 4, or 3
16:48.57The_MEOW_KingOne last question : Is there a common calendar of some sorts, or can I make up my own?
16:49.02Wormy_I made a *huge* list (over years) of different estimated sci-fi factions, it might give you an idea http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Wormulon/Types_of_civilisation#Tier_Scale_V3
16:49.15Wormy_The stripped down tier scale is on the thread Tek posted
16:49.42Wormy_There is a common calendar, and you can make your own.  Many of us use our own
16:50.09Wormy_Its currently the 29th century, 280-something
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16:51.06Wormy_hi
16:51.44XhoAfternooneveningwhenever
16:51.48The_MEOW_KingI guess I should make my fiction around Tier 3.5
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16:52.09The_MEOW_KingBetween 4 and 3.5
16:52.28The_MEOW_KingAnd type II on the kardashev scale
16:52.53Xhoups
16:53.34OluapPlayerspu
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16:55.12Wormy_That's a good place to start on the tier scale
16:58.09Wormy_bbl
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17:00.19GhelaeHello.
17:00.25The_MEOW_KingHello
17:04.15The_MEOW_KingIs speaking about the way a specie reproduce in a fiction allowed?
17:04.26OluapPlayerYes
17:04.28XhoScience is science
17:04.46The_MEOW_KingOkay
17:05.06The_MEOW_KingAlso, how active is the fiction universe?
17:05.09The_MEOW_KingLike, very active?
17:05.19OluapPlayerFairly active
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17:06.41OluapPlayerXho Hachiman: Can I get you two for the next Borealis section?
17:06.57HachimanSuppose so
17:09.32OluapPlayerXho: blah
17:09.40XhoSorry I'm kinda busy
17:09.45OluapPlayerfug
17:09.57OluapPlayerAnother day then
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17:11.57Wormy_awayGhelae:  Installing Maya 2016.  It has new simulation tools http://area.autodesk.com/blogs/duncan/simplicity_to_complexity
17:12.27OluapPlayerruskie
17:12.33Wormy_awayUnlike many physics engines used in games and animation, Autodesk have pushed in the direction of more accurate physics-based design
17:13.33ImperiosWell that new expansion certainly was peculiar
17:16.11GhelaeWormy_away: The pictures aren't showing for me. But based on the text it looks like there's a fair amount you can do with it.
17:16.15OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Hysteria new story underway
17:16.22OluapPlayerImperios: Confirm the characters you're gonna use pls
17:16.46Wormy_awayIndeed
17:19.41ImperiosWait wait wait
17:19.44ImperiosSpheres of "Something"
17:19.50ImperiosWhat do
17:19.58ImperiosWill there be Bing Bong too
17:20.32Wormy_awayI read that as " Will there be Big Bong too"
17:20.46OluapPlayerThe hell is a Bing Bong
17:20.54ImperiosInside Out
17:20.59ImperiosThat elephant guy
17:21.06HachimanWhat the fuck are you talking about
17:21.19OluapPlayerYeah I'm equally lost
17:22.15OluapPlayerYou'll learn what the Spheres are when we get to that point
17:22.18OluapPlayerNow confirm chars pls
17:22.18ImperiosOh so it's not based on Inside Out
17:22.20Imperiosalright
17:22.36ImperiosJavi I guess
17:22.46ImperiosActually now I have the way to use Feli as well
17:22.55OluapPlayerJust the two of them?
17:23.26ImperiosWell there is also the chance to use Latar
17:23.34OluapPlayerWhat about Lekren?
17:24.15ImperiosNot sure if he'd fit
17:24.23ImperiosAnd having too many characters is always a bad idea
17:25.06ImperiosI only feel like adding a character if I know he or she can contribute somehow to the plotline
17:25.20OluapPlayerI forgot to comment before, but the plot involves counterparts to people Clothovera has met, exaggerated by the way she sees them on her mind
17:25.26OluapPlayerKinda like Tantum's Dreamy enemies
17:25.40OluapPlayerExcept not all of them are enemies in this case
17:26.19ImperiosThere must be a Downfall-esque Javina then hur
17:26.41OluapPlayerClotho's Javina will be an inhabitant of the Sphere of Wrath
17:26.49OluapPlayerThat should indicate a bit how she's like hur
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17:27.51OluapPlayerEven if you don't add Lekren I still want to have Clotho's interpretation of him show up at some point
17:28.07OluapPlayermainly because it was one of the first "psycho" versions I came up with in my mind
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17:29.41JepardiHi
17:29.55ImperiosI could add him but I'll have to think of his motivations there and how he could contribute
17:30.07ImperiosHachiman: https://2ch.hk/vg/src/12746713/14458644502240.jpg
17:30.20OluapPlayerLiking Clothovera is enough motivation
17:30.23Hachimanhur
17:30.27OluapPlayerI don't know how much he cares for her
17:30.45OluapPlayerI'm just saying there will be Psycho versions of characters in the story even if they're not part of the team
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17:32.13HachimanConsider that Ophellatar and Clotho have not met as often as Lekren
17:32.13ImperiosMy problem is that with Lekren I can't think of any interesting stuff
17:32.29ImperiosHe's just an alchemist with an inferiority complex
17:32.56OluapPlayerSo you have a problem with the character himself then
17:32.56HachimanAnd Ophellatar is a loon with a rock, I find Lekren far more appropriate for the story
17:37.52ImperiosA loon fits when one is about to become a loon
17:38.26HachimanNot when Ophellatar isn't even Clotho's friend
17:38.40HachimanShe's a complete stranger
17:38.59ImperiosI am not sure if Lekren is her friend either
17:39.39OluapPlayerArguably none of your characters are friends with Clotho, not even Javina
17:39.55OluapPlayerYet they've been together in adventures so many times you'd expect them to have at least some extent of care
17:40.23ImperiosHm
17:59.54Hachimanhttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10343044_10152643012413851_3707305286777435319_n.png?oh=5c46fcbf64e62211442310d158fb7251&oe=56C2E7EA So have some daily dose of retarded on behalf of a teenage white girl on my Facebook
18:01.57HachimanOh God there is a whole series of these
18:03.15OluapPlayerAbsolute madmen
18:04.27ImperiosBrilliant logic
18:05.42Hachiman"#YesAllWomen because I was taught to scream "fire" instead of "rape" because it increases the chance of someone coming to help" "When a man says no in this culture, it's the end of a discussion. When a women says no, it's the beginning of a negotiation."
18:07.34Hachiman"'#YesAllWomen because we live in a society where we teach women how to avoid rape, but don't teach men self control." "#YesAllWomen because some women weren't even women yet when they first began experiencing misogyny." "Because we are told "boys will be boys" - as if men can't and shouldn't take responsibility for their actions."
18:07.49OluapPlayerstop ls
18:07.50Xhonah
18:07.51OluapPlayerpls
18:08.19Hachiman"Because women are told not to let men treat them as objects, but no one teaches men that women are not toys #YesAllWomen"
18:08.22HachimanAnd that's it
18:11.17OluapPlayerBah I'm bored
18:13.15XhoGuess I can do that Borealis thing now
18:13.31HachimanI can't right now
18:13.53Xhobah
18:15.10ImperiosHachiman: They need to get laid
18:15.13OluapPlayeri must break u
18:20.07Imperios"When a man says no in this culture, it's the end of a discussion. When a women says no, it's the beginning of a negotiation."
18:20.09ImperiosThat's actually odd
18:20.16ImperiosBecause when you say it as a joke it's funny
18:20.25HachimanBecause it's also false
18:20.27ImperiosWhen you say it as a statement it's kind of offensive
18:20.57HachimanIn my experience, women are far more inclined to negotiate than men
18:21.11ImperiosBut women are more likely to choose
18:22.33ImperiosNegotiation is not the same as manipulation
18:22.35HachimanI find women too manipulative and deceitful in my experience
18:23.32HachimanNot all of them, but many I know
18:24.06ImperiosDuh
18:24.11OluapPlayerHysteria is all a manipulation by Clotho to make the guys buy her many new pairs of shoes
18:24.29ImperiosThat's why I consider Sun Tzu to be my favourite romance writer
18:25.41Xhowat
18:26.08HachimanEh
18:26.31HachimanYou will have to excuse me but I do not recall Sun Tzu being a romance writer hur
18:26.52OluapPlayerI'm pretty sure he's making a joke
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18:27.05OluapPlayer"hurhur my favorite romance book is the Art of War"
18:27.06ImperiosHe wrote about how to feign weakness, to manipulate and to appear what you really are not
18:27.15MonetHi
18:27.23ImperiosWhich is fitting because the real me is pretty ew
18:27.25ImperiosHi Mon
18:27.26HachimanHi Monet
18:27.36OluapPlayerWe are all ew to some description
18:27.46HachimanExcept me because fuck you bitches lol
18:27.53OluapPlayerShut up hobo hair
18:27.55ImperiosYou are worse than ew
18:28.05ImperiosSpeaking of (social) justice
18:28.07Hachiman>imblygn hobo hair is not a trait of virtue
18:28.13Imperioshttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/50/Royal_Justicar.png/revision/latest?cb=20151027182116 Finally got a name for them
18:28.20HachimanJesus is depicted as having long hair
18:28.37OluapPlayerJesus isn't depicted as having a bird nest for hair
18:28.49Xhorekt
18:29.31OluapPlayerThat's a good model but when I look at the mask, I can only imagine "[screams internally]"
18:30.14HachimanReminds me of the Immortals from 300
18:30.36Hachimanhttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/1509006_1862671610422556_3979852677883498358_n.png?oh=5c3e77bee91c54e5a380e76fdf19ac59&oe=56B77618
18:30.39OluapPlayer>elves           CAN'T WAKE UP
18:31.19Xhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyPfrbJKMpg Devin Townsend ladies and mentlegen
18:31.39Hachiman*djentlemen
18:31.54Xhomentledjen
18:32.01ImperiosOh and they also have guns in addition to halberds
18:32.10OluapPlayer>guns
18:32.12OluapPlayer[TRIGGERED]
18:32.17Hachimanfuk off
18:32.28HachimanIt's like you never listened to justifications for arquebuses
18:32.42OluapPlayerI don't even know what that is
18:32.44Imperioshttp://imgix.scout.com/151/1517589.jpg Like this
18:32.46OluapPlayerI was also joking you dense shit hur
18:32.56ImperiosArquebus is ye olde gun
18:32.57Xhodens
18:33.02ImperiosSamurai used them
18:33.04ImperiosSo it's legit
18:33.15HachimanAye
18:33.26OluapPlayerXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnzNuhKpZbs
18:33.33HachimanAnd as exampled by Oda Nobunaga, you can survive them
18:33.38OluapPlayerSamurai are ghey cus hachi likes them
18:34.02ImperiosWell they were ghey
18:34.06ImperiosSome of them
18:34.50HachimanI also like you so by proxy you're ghey
18:34.55MonetWell to be fair a musket with a bayonet attached is a lot like a spear.
18:35.34OluapPlayerbut i am ghey for you that's kinda public knowledge by now
18:35.51XhoOluapPlayer: "Hello darkness my old friend"
18:35.54XhoVery true
18:35.55ImperiosMonet: The bayonet was an evolution of the pike and shot formation
18:36.07ImperiosYou had people with guns and people with pikes
18:36.14ImperiosThen someone realised you can have gunpikes
18:36.26MonetYeah.
18:36.42HachimanNgh these fucking foreign students have not come back yet
18:36.50HachimanThey were supposed to be in at 18:30
18:37.04XhoShiarchon - y not magic staffs lol
18:37.05HachimanIt is not 18:37 and no sign of them yet
18:37.10Hachimannow even
18:37.28OluapPlayerAll-Knowing - yus        staffs like moi
18:37.41ImperiosYou're like that Japanese exchange student we have
18:37.44XhoShiarchon - meh similar principle
18:37.45HachimanThis is truly and utterly unacceptable, this is why I do not get involved with students
18:38.15Imperios"Fuckingu French notu worukingu and not studyingu"
18:38.22OluapPlayerYou're a lil bitch you know that
18:38.23HachimanI take them to their coach stop on time and they do not have the decency to return on time
18:38.57OluapPlayerShouldn't you be glad they're not around?
18:39.14HachimanNo because that means I have to listen for them because my mother is working
18:39.21HachimanWhich means I cannot listen to stuff
18:39.48ImperiosThen again maybe they shouldn't have guns
18:39.54ImperiosI imagine shooting with masks is uncomfortable
18:40.12OluapPlayerDoesn't stop the Pyro
18:40.44XhoMmmph
18:40.50OluapPlayerHudda
18:40.54HachimanWe can afford some stylism
18:41.16MonetWell it's a little uncomofortable shooting a rifle in full armour.
18:41.24HachimanSpace Marines
18:41.30Xhohttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11846572_689607017841168_2853625954180739128_n.jpg?oh=13da325bd82a4968f38d7285b344c659&oe=56D1CAC8&__gda__=1455182356_c0f5342562fc46046cf00e519d207091
18:41.32OluapPlayerhave tiny pea heads
18:41.39MonetSpace Merine Bolters don't have stocks.
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18:42.08HachimanNonetheless it should not matter too much
18:42.33MonetAnd yeah, a metal mask is going to affect your aim; Marines get away with it because they have HUD vision.
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18:44.28HachimanTell that to Samurai
18:45.04Imperioshttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Ashigaru_using_shields_%28tate%29.jpg Gunsamurai did not have masks it seems
18:45.40OluapPlayerThe one on the far left has a face like "I have no idea how I got here"
18:45.52HachimanTo be fair sword fighting with face-covering helmets and masks and such has a similar effect yet the Fantasyverse has them
18:45.56HachimanAnd in real life as well
18:46.06XhoWait are Ashigaru the same as Samurai
18:46.13HachimanNo
18:46.17XhoThought not
18:46.18HachimanAshigaru are not Samurai
18:46.29HachimanAshigaru are the Imperial Guard to the Samurai's Space Marines
18:46.31XhoAshigaru translates to footsoldier as far as I'm aware
18:46.53OluapPlayerAshigaru are normal people. Samurai have tiny gross heads
18:47.01Xhodur
18:47.10XhoChaos Space Marines are...Ronin thn?
18:47.12Xhothen?
18:47.17HachimanKinda
18:47.39OluapPlayerSamurai who were DISONOURABRU
18:47.41XhoSee when I hear Chaos Space Marine I just think Dominion soldiers because formless crazy
18:47.57OluapPlayerChaos Marines are not formless though
18:48.04OluapPlayerMost of them are crazy at least
18:48.09HachimanOnly Tzeentchian stuff tends to be formless
18:48.09XhoThat works
18:48.27XhoIsn't the whole Chaos theme consistent in both Warhammer settings
18:48.33HachimanAnd Tzeentch can go fuck himself with his "hurdur jus ass blanned :DDD" bullshit
18:48.36Monet_2Well depends how insane Dominion soldiers are.
18:48.36HachimanYes
18:48.42XhoSee I know things
18:48.48XhoMonet_2: Not that insane really
18:48.51OluapPlayerSpurdo Sparde, Chaos God of Benin
18:49.05XhoThe Samut'angar and co however, well yeah
18:49.09Monet_2Khornate soldiers will shoot you, but they'll also be screaming "BLOOD, DEATH, KILL"
18:49.09XhoAbsolute madmen
18:49.26HachimanExcept non because not all Khornates are like that
18:49.28OluapPlayerDemons can't really be given the same psychic attributes as normals
18:49.37OluapPlayernormal people even
18:49.44HachimanAt least, there was a time not all Khornates were like that because fuck Matt Ward
18:50.03XhoThere aren't that many coherent Samut'angar
18:50.17Monet_2Khornate berserkers yeah. Definitely screaming blood and death.
18:50.34OluapPlayerThere aren't any real insane Corruptus Demons
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18:50.41OluapPlayerPerpetually angry yeah, but not insane
18:50.46The_MEOW_KingHello
18:50.50OluapPlayerA Malcaeum would consider being calm as a form of insanity
18:51.04XhoRethex-Kal, Zanu-Pax and Alsium-Ali are probably the only sentient types of Samut'angar
18:51.36XhoSihai-Jia perhaps as well
18:51.48XhoThe rest are all comparatively animalistic
18:52.07OluapPlayerWould be a lot easier to judge if they had a paeg
18:52.09OluapPlayerwhich dey dunt
18:52.11OluapPlayerMAEK PAEG
18:52.26Xhohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3ASamut'angar
18:52.36OluapPlayerMAEK
18:52.42Xhoit is maek
18:52.52OluapPlayerdunt fiddle with me boi
18:53.01Xhobut it is maek
18:53.18The_MEOW_KingCan I ask a question?
18:53.38OluapPlayerShoot
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18:54.40Hachiman"Samut'angar" sounds like a Scotsmen trying to say "something angry"
18:54.49The_MEOW_KingWhen a fiction taking place in a galaxy is created, is the map updated with the fiction's territories?
18:55.21OluapPlayerNo, maps are made by users
18:55.31XhoHachiman: https://www.facebook.com/GokuAndNaruto/videos/938077969620893/?permPage=1
18:55.54HachimanOhgod
18:56.02HachimanSuper Saiyan Cena
18:56.10Xhosupa cena-jin
18:56.28OluapPlayeris shit
18:57.15MonetThe_MEOW_King: You have to add the territory yourself.
18:58.07The_MEOW_KingSo for example I take this map : http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/a/ad/Milky_Way_Map.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/600?cb=20140805052042 and add my territory on it?
18:58.27The_MEOW_King(Sorry if I'm asking a lot of questions but I don't want to do any errors)
18:58.48OluapPlayerThat or you can ask someone else, tupically the map's author, to do it for you
18:58.56OluapPlayertypically even
18:59.21MonetJust try to bear scale in mind.
18:59.47MonetThe largest factions on those maps have territories consisting of millions of settled star systems.
19:00.03The_MEOW_KingSo I guess 250 systems wouldn't be visible, right?
19:00.23MonetProbably not.
19:00.48MonetMaybe a handful of pixels
19:01.15The_MEOW_KingFor example, the "France" empire on the map, how large is it?
19:02.56OluapPlayerXho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K46_uKUzKCs SITTING HERE
19:02.58MonetNot sure on that one.
19:03.21XhoMY god
19:04.01The_MEOW_KingHow often do the fiction universe gets new users?
19:04.16OluapPlayerNot very often
19:04.38Hachimanhttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11742753_869865833108008_442253503733999880_n.jpg?oh=b5dbc95b8069b3c923d9256a7e0387e1&oe=56B9FCEF The fucking bottom comment
19:04.43GhelaeOn the map of the Milky Way: the Milky Way is about 100,000 light-years wide, and the map is a little over 1000 pixels wide, so it's about 1000 ly per pixel.
19:04.49Ghelae100 ly per pixel*
19:04.56OluapPlayerNew people generally leave some days after arriving
19:05.43The_MEOW_KingHmmmm
19:06.06The_MEOW_KingSo its 10000 ly² per pixel
19:06.17GhelaeYeah.
19:06.56Ghelae250 systems isn't going to show up at all.
19:07.07The_MEOW_KingNow to figure out how much systems per pixel
19:07.34GhelaeSay 250 billion stars over 1000x1000 pixels.
19:07.43GhelaeSo 250,000 systems per pixel.
19:08.38The_MEOW_KingOh my
19:09.27MonetYeah the galaxy is *big*
19:09.27The_MEOW_KingDo you have to own all the stars in a region to own said region?
19:09.32GhelaeNo.
19:09.53The_MEOW_KingLets say I want an empire 10x10 pixels large
19:10.12GhelaeIf you're going to consider planetary colonisation alone, hospitable systems are realistically going to be fairly rare.
19:10.18The_MEOW_KingThere is 25,000,000 stars in that area
19:10.28The_MEOW_KingHow many of them do I have to colonize to own that area?
19:10.47GhelaeThere's no real rule on the matter.
19:11.10GhelaeIf you have systems spread out across that entire space, and nobody else claims the same region, then it's fairly unambiguously yours.
19:12.45The_MEOW_KingA 10x10 pixels empire would be enough for my fiction, so I can just claim an empty region of space for it, right?
19:13.16GhelaeSo 250 stars in 25 million is an average one one per 100,000 colonised. It seems hugely inefficient to have such a low density of colonisation, but I see no other problems with it.
19:13.41The_MEOW_KingI think I will add a little more stars to my fiction
19:13.57The_MEOW_King25 000 000 stars...
19:14.07GhelaeThe best thing to do is actually get your fiction written and well-established before thinking about adding it to maps.
19:14.30The_MEOW_KingThat's what I'm doing
19:14.31OluapPlayerYup
19:14.39MonetWe have something of a cap on 20,000,000 colonisedstar systems.
19:14.43The_MEOW_KingYeah
19:14.52The_MEOW_KingMy fiction's race breathes carbon dioxyde
19:15.30The_MEOW_KingSo they seek planets with something like 50% carbon dioxyde and 50% Nitrogen
19:15.31MonetBut due to the Drake equation, we're looking at maybe 0.01-5% of 25,000,000 being close to habitable.
19:15.52The_MEOW_KingLet's say 2%
19:16.07The_MEOW_King1% of 25 000 000 is 250 000
19:16.14The_MEOW_KingSo its 500 000
19:16.21The_MEOW_KingIsn't that a little too much?
19:16.34GhelaeHmm. Breathing carbon dioxide doesn't strike me as being a biochemically efficient thing to do.
19:16.45MonetAs Ghel said, the likelihood of finding Earthlike planets is small.
19:16.46GhelaeAlso, the cap on systems isn't something I can remember anybody caring about in recent times.
19:17.00GhelaeAlthough if a new user decides to go above that number it's likely to raise alarm bells.
19:17.03MonetKepler's search range is about 100,000 stars isn't it?
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19:17.53Xhohttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/5f/KoldenweltTMapCurrent.png/revision/latest?cb=20150930013606 Updated to reflect the recent fantasyverse story
19:17.55GhelaeI'm not sure, but probably something like that.
19:17.58The_MEOW_KingMy specie absorbs carbon dioxyde, then separate the carbon atoms from the oxygen atoms, then somehow use the carbon as a source of energy
19:18.14The_MEOW_KingAnd they reject oxygen
19:18.26WoodPulpLike plants?
19:18.29The_MEOW_KingYeah
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19:18.51WoodPulpSo the carbon turns into glucose, which is what they use for energy
19:18.55XhoAnd now the Shiarchon will bridge the territories together, like, with a 1 mile buffer zone that travels 9000 miles
19:18.56The_MEOW_KingYeah
19:18.59WoodPulpOr some other sugar
19:19.04OluapPlayerOrayu - fuk off pls
19:19.10Monet_2So far the confirmed exoplanet count is something like 1602. But I tihnk less than 50 of those are deemed Earthlike.
19:19.25HachimanSovereignty - fuk off
19:19.32The_MEOW_KingHmmm
19:19.38GhelaeThe way you use chemical reactions for energy is by oxidising or reducing them.
19:19.41OluapPlayerThe straightest line I can make passes between both the Merovar and the Idkin
19:20.01XhoJulianus - pax dryadalum             or should i say dai all of u
19:20.09The_MEOW_KingWe can assume that the likehood of fiding a planet suitable for them is around...
19:20.12GhelaeSeperating carbon from oxygen is going to take energy to reduce the carbon, and that's what happens in photosynthesis: solar energy is basically used to split the molecules.
19:20.17OluapPlayerMerovar - buy our shit               Idkin - EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
19:20.39The_MEOW_KingBut instead of using solar energy
19:20.46The_MEOW_Kingthey will use the energy from nutrients and food
19:20.54WoodPulpHmm
19:20.58HachimanThe Sovereignty was not so concerned about the Shiarchon before
19:21.01The_MEOW_KingAs their organs only needs the carbon
19:21.02GhelaeAnd then another part of the planet's biochemistry then has to turn carbon and oxygen back into CO2, and that will release energy.
19:21.05HachimanNow they alarm bells going off
19:21.10OluapPlayerThat map is still outdated
19:21.15WoodPulpThat seems like a roundabout and inefficient method of producing energy
19:21.17XhoJulianus - welcome to ded         i b ur guide
19:21.18Hachimantheir even
19:21.19OluapPlayerThe Sovereignty is still called Sovereign in it
19:21.44GhelaeYou've also not described how they produce energy. It seems you're now saying that they don't get their energy from CO2, but from elsewhere in their food.
19:21.49XhoI would be infinitely more concerned about the Insomnolence however
19:21.52XhoSpoiler alert
19:21.55The_MEOW_KingWell
19:22.17The_MEOW_KingMy species' vital organs, like the heart, needs pure carbon
19:22.25The_MEOW_KingThey somehow turns it into energy
19:22.26HachimanPure carbon
19:22.28HachimanSo dirt
19:22.35The_MEOW_KingOr diamonds
19:22.43The_MEOW_King:O
19:22.54XhoThen again the Shiarchon presence in Talmyr is much much much worse than it appears at a first glance
19:22.55WoodPulpHow we (humans) get energy is by turning glucose and oxygen into CO2 and water
19:22.58Ghelae"Somehow turns pure carbon into energy" isn't going to work, chemically speaking. Unless you react it with oxygen to form CO2, or perhaps reduce it with hydrogen to form methane.
19:23.02XhoAnd it's already terrifying enough as it is
19:23.02WoodPulpPlants do the opposite
19:23.11The_MEOW_KingHydrogen?
19:23.32WoodPulpAs fuel?
19:23.41WoodPulpToo explosive
19:23.44The_MEOW_KingHmmm
19:23.49GhelaeGenerically, what you need is to have some chemical that you obtain from food, and oxidise or reduce it with some other substance e.g. a gas. Oxygen is good at oxidising, hydrogen is good at reducing.
19:24.08The_MEOW_KingAnd the oxidising produces energy?
19:24.11GhelaeAnd hydrogen being explosive isn't a problem. This would be a biochemical pathway that takes place in a low-oxygen atmosphere.
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19:24.19WoodPulpYes. Lots
19:24.20OluapPlayer_Fucking goddamnit
19:24.24The_MEOW_KingThen...
19:24.27GhelaeWhether oxidation or reduction produces energy depends on the reaction.
19:24.30OluapPlayer_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttxLdAANIh0 ward the Shiarchon away by playing this at them
19:24.32The_MEOW_KingOkay
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19:24.44The_MEOW_KingLets say they get the carbon dioxyde
19:24.45WoodPulpOk fine
19:24.45GhelaeBut it does for, e.g. oxidising glucose.
19:24.47MonetDum adapter keeps turning itself off.
19:24.48The_MEOW_Kingbreathe it
19:24.53HachimanNot gonna lie, I wanna see Shiarchon half-elves hur
19:25.19OluapPlayer_So half-skeletons
19:25.24The_MEOW_KingSeparate it from oxygen using the energy found in food
19:25.38The_MEOW_KingAnd use the oxygen to oxidise it and produce energy
19:25.46The_MEOW_KingMore energy than what it took to separate
19:25.52GhelaeThat's not going to happen.
19:25.56The_MEOW_KingAw
19:26.00WoodPulpNot how chemistry works, bro
19:26.06WoodPulpEntropy
19:26.17HachimanYoung Shiarchon have flesh if I recall hur
19:26.18GhelaeYou aren't going to get more energy from carbon + oxygen -> carbon dioxide than it takes go carbon dioxide -> carbon + oxygen.
19:26.23OluapPlayer_Yes
19:26.24OluapPlayer_Young
19:26.26The_MEOW_KingYeah
19:26.27GhelaeIt's not entropy. Conservation of energy, really.
19:26.28The_MEOW_Kingseems legit
19:26.35XhoKalarah too hur
19:26.49XhoShiarchon - what the fuck is this new age shit
19:26.59GhelaeBut the point is, one reaction backwards is the same as the other forwards, so everything that happens is just exactly backwards.
19:27.00WoodPulpThat's what entropy is, isn't it? Like you're always going to lose some energy with each reaction
19:27.06The_MEOW_KingThey would need to somehow "eat" pure carbon and oxidize it with pure oxygen
19:27.15GhelaeNo. Entropy is more like a measure of disorder.
19:27.30The_MEOW_KingIdea
19:27.32GhelaeAlthough entropy does add to inefficiency by the method you said.
19:27.54The_MEOW_KingMaybe they eat food with carbon in it
19:27.58The_MEOW_KingThen breathe oxygen
19:27.59GhelaeEven without an increase in energy, you won't get more energy out of a reaction than you got from running it in reverse.
19:28.09WoodPulpLike humans do?
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19:28.10The_MEOW_Kingoxidise that carbon with oxygen
19:28.11OluapPlayerGoddamnit I hate this shit
19:28.14WoodPulpWe eat food with carbon
19:28.19OluapPlayerI keep getting disconnected in the middle of the conversation
19:28.20XhoThe Shiarchon are quite elitist about their bloodline so I doubt hybridisation will ever happen
19:28.21MonetEverything has carbon in it.
19:28.25Ghelaewithout an increase in entropy*
19:28.38WoodPulp*everything organic
19:28.42OluapPlayerIf you want a half-skeleton, just let Tibias bone u
19:28.49GhelaeAnd yes, as everyone's saying now, you're basically describing Earth biochemistry.
19:28.55The_MEOW_KingLawl
19:28.58XhoJulianus - remove skull
19:29.01WoodPulp=)
19:29.04OluapPlayerTibias - REMOVE SKIN
19:29.06The_MEOW_KingAnd how about hydrogen?
19:29.17The_MEOW_KingYou said something about hydrogen
19:29.17XhoJulianus - got no skin
19:29.19WoodPulpAs an energy source?
19:29.21WoodPulpMaybe
19:29.23The_MEOW_KingYeah
19:29.26The_MEOW_KingHow would it work?
19:29.29OluapPlayerTibias - REMOVE ALL FLESH BITS
19:29.31The_MEOW_KingAnd what would it react with?
19:29.38XhoKoldenwelt is in a very shitty situation atm hur
19:29.43WoodPulpEarth doesn't have nearly enough to support any hydrogen-eating life
19:29.49OluapPlayerJust Talmyr hur
19:29.50WoodPulpOf course
19:29.57The_MEOW_KingMy species doesn't live on earth
19:30.04ImperiosMonet: So I finished the GW2: HoT main storyline today
19:30.04WoodPulpHydrogen reacts well with lots of things
19:30.08GhelaeYou could have carbon-based hydrogen-breathers.
19:30.12XhoWell there's also the Exosubstratal right bang in the centre
19:30.17The_MEOW_KingCan it react with carbon?
19:30.17WoodPulpIts far to one side of the periodic table
19:30.25OluapPlayerAnd they don't do anything
19:30.30OluapPlayercus hachi won't finish paegs
19:30.30Hachiman;-;
19:30.32WoodPulpIt could react with oxygen to make water
19:30.42XhoShiarchon - props for being active villains
19:30.42MonetThe_MEOW_King: It reacts with almost everything
19:30.43GhelaeBut the chemicals it would use would be ones that can be reduced, rather than oxidised like sugars and fats and amino acids are on Earth.
19:30.52The_MEOW_KingHmmm
19:30.56The_MEOW_KingLet's say...
19:31.03GhelaeSo you'd have something like a sugar, but you "burn" it with hydrogen rather than oxygen as fuel.
19:31.16OluapPlayerXacutus is much less of a threat when he doesn't have someone directing him
19:31.19OluapPlayerWhich is currently the case
19:31.19XhoI can kind of imagine the Shiarchon like the Necrons...which is actually the case come to think of it
19:31.26Xhocase hivemind
19:31.29MonetHydrogen cannot exist as a free element, and even if it does it will very quickly look for something ot react with
19:31.32Xhorest the cases
19:31.42The_MEOW_KingCan they like breathe carbon and then use hydrogen to react with it?
19:31.45The_MEOW_Kingor the opposite?
19:31.46ImperiosNecrons don't actually have a hivemind
19:31.48OluapPlayerNecrons are not all homicidal monsters nor do they worship any deity
19:31.50GhelaeHydrogen can exist as a free element. It's no worse than oxygen really.
19:31.51OluapPlayerAt least not anymore
19:32.14GhelaeThe_MEOW_King: They'd breathe hydrogen gas and eat carbon-based foods.
19:32.20XhoWell on the scheme of being ancient doom skeletons
19:32.24WoodPulpIdk what you get with carbon and hydrogen
19:32.25HachimanTomb Kings
19:32.31OluapPlayerNot all of them are doom skeletons though
19:32.33WoodPulpIf you have oxygen you get carbohydraters
19:32.34OluapPlayerur point is moot
19:32.40The_MEOW_KingSooo
19:32.41GhelaeRather than water, they might use ammonia as a liquid.
19:32.44HachimanEh I dunno, a lot of Necrons are doom skeletons]
19:32.45Xhohttp://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/e/ea/Servant_of_the_C_tan_by_MajesticChicken.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110928172314 I mean replace that with a Shiarchon and it still makes sense
19:32.51GhelaeAnd rather than breathing out carbon dioxide, they'd breathe out methane.
19:33.02XhoWell there are those other kinds
19:33.04The_MEOW_KingThey breath hydrogen
19:33.07XhoFlayed Ones I think they're called right
19:33.08The_MEOW_Kingeat carbon
19:33.14The_MEOW_Kingreact hydrogen with carbon
19:33.16HachimanFlayed Ones wear skin
19:33.18The_MEOW_Kingget energy
19:33.23HachimanThey don't actually have it themselves hur
19:33.23Xhotomato tomato
19:33.23The_MEOW_Kingbreath out methane
19:33.28GhelaeEssentially, yes.
19:33.30OluapPlayerNecrons had the C'tan as gods, the C'tan fooled them and turned them into skeletons, the Necrons retaliated by murdering the gods beyond repair
19:33.37The_MEOW_KingOkay good
19:33.41The_MEOW_KingNow I bbl
19:33.45XhoSo they killed their gods
19:33.50XhoOn the scheme of things that's pretty fucking scary
19:33.53HachimanWell, not "killed" per se
19:33.56GhelaeI made http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User:Ghel%C3%A6/Guide_To_Stuff which includes some basic sciencey stuff. The section on biochemistry is relevant to this discussion.
19:33.58HachimanBut they did fuck their gods over
19:34.11XhoOh yeah the C'tan shards
19:34.12OluapPlayerThey were reduced to tiny shards which are now used by the Necrons
19:34.21OluapPlayerOne of the C'tan was completely destroyed though
19:34.27HachimanFunnily enough, a similar situation to Khaine and the Eldar
19:34.47OluapPlayerCan't remember his name, I think it was the one who came up with the Flayed One curse
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19:35.04XhoTesseract Vaults that's what I'm thinking of
19:35.10OluapPlayerHe suffered the shortest end of the stick
19:35.21XhoThats what I designed those Oblivion Engines after
19:35.27HachimanThe fLAYER
19:35.30HachimanFlayer even
19:35.34MonetI thought Flayed Ones wore skin as a psychological warfare tactic.
19:35.48HachimanLlandu'gor the Flayer
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19:35.57HachimanFlayed Ones do it for a variety of reasons
19:36.01XhoSounds like a Loron name
19:36.27HachimanA lot of Necrons actually suffer some form of psychological damage or PTSD due to the conditions of their hibernation
19:36.47HachimanMany Necrons still believe that they are fighting the War in Heaven and the Old Ones are still around
19:37.49XhoWell the Shiarchon aren't that bad I guess
19:37.55XhoThough there are the odd feral Shiarchon however
19:38.05OluapPlayerdey are cus everything u make is feral evil
19:38.11Xhoyuy
19:38.24ImperiosMonet: Old lore
19:38.30XhoWell the feral Shiarchon are the ones who got their mind completely fucked up over the fact they turned into giant zombies
19:38.59OluapPlayerStill imagining a Shiarchon trying to live in another elf society would be humorous at best
19:39.04OluapPlayerShiarchon - at least i'm loved at halloween
19:39.14XhoShiarchon defectors lived in the Dalmiric Kingdom
19:39.22XhoI think that's mentioned in one of the stories I did
19:39.35OluapPlayerYou mentioned it in the IRC
19:39.40OluapPlayerBut I don't remember mentions in the wiki
19:39.43XhoHm
19:39.55XhoEither way they're now being actively hunted down because Julianus is a savage dickhead
19:40.09HachimanHachi - do i hav 2 shank a bitch
19:40.13OluapPlayerDefector - we ran to the other side of the world and this happens                   next stop, dinosaur island
19:40.32XhoJulianus - must build jurassic park
19:40.45OluapPlayerVulcardentron - rawr
19:41.17XhoBut yeah Shiarchon defectors did live in the Dalmiric Kingdom
19:41.25XhoChances are the team did see at least one Shiarchon there
19:41.43OluapPlayerSea Witch killed them because she can't tell them apart from the evil ones
19:41.59XhoShiarchon - u fukn stupid
19:42.03The_MEOW_Kingback
19:42.16OluapPlayerThen again the Sea Witch has a very low view of the Shiarchon
19:42.22MonetWould they have more skin than loyalist Shiarchon?
19:42.23OluapPlayerShown by her scoffing at the thought of them having honour
19:42.37XhoChances are they do since they're 10,000 miles from Kalarah's influence
19:42.52The_MEOW_KingHow to "ping" someone?
19:43.00OluapPlayerAs far as the Witch is concerned, the Shiarchon are just elf-shaped Khorloron
19:43.03GhelaeThe_MEOW_King: Just use their name.
19:43.12The_MEOW_KingGhelae
19:43.13XhoJulianus - how insulting r u
19:43.15The_MEOW_KingSo to recap
19:43.23OluapPlayerSea Witch - very         kill urself
19:43.39The_MEOW_KingMy specie eats carbon, breathes hydrogen, then react them to get energey and emit methane
19:43.43The_MEOW_Kingthat works, right?
19:43.49ImperiosSpeaking of fantasy
19:43.49GhelaeBasically, yes.
19:43.50XhoThere's still worse characters than Julianus about
19:44.02XhoLeviathan's skulking about somewhere
19:44.02GhelaeIf you want hydrogen-breathing creatures.
19:44.04The_MEOW_KingBut what food contains enough methane?
19:44.11The_MEOW_KingI mean carbon
19:44.14OluapPlayerLeviathan - i still exist i swar
19:44.17OluapPlayerswear*
19:44.32GhelaeIn a bit more detail, it'd be some carbon-based molecules analogous to carbohydrates that Earth life uses.
19:44.36OluapPlayerI need to have the Lympharians do things at some point
19:44.40OluapPlayerRight now they're just kinda there
19:45.04MonetThe_Meow_King: http://f.tqn.com/y/chemistry/1/W/V/W/1/D-glucose-3D.png well that's glucose
19:45.04GhelaeThey might need to be slightly different to be more easily reduced rather than oxidised, but the same principle works.
19:45.54The_MEOW_KingOkay, so, to get their carbon, do they litteraly need to eat diamonds or just something containing carbonhydrates?
19:46.06GhelaeThey'd eat carbohydrates.
19:46.08GhelaeJust like we do.
19:46.33The_MEOW_KingAnd its found in stuff like bread or candies
19:46.34GhelaeCarbohydrates, fats, proteins... basically the stuff that living things are made of is usable as fuel.
19:46.36Hachimanhttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/12063657_10153450341639998_7195181997761869050_n.png?oh=1b70ad8551b7d1d212a6df9e7a29ceb0&oe=56C70019
19:46.40The_MEOW_KingOkay dokey
19:46.56OluapPlayerhur
19:46.56MonetDiamonds aren't a great food source due to their rarity on the surface
19:47.03The_MEOW_KingBut, can they use carbon dioxyde as a source of carbon?
19:47.11GhelaeThey just eat normally. You don't need to worry about the biochemical details.
19:47.19GhelaeAnd I don't think there'll be much carbon dioxide around.
19:47.39The_MEOW_KingTheir planets needs an atmosphere with enough hydrogen
19:47.41GhelaeIf it is, they'd need the right enzymes to break it down, and they also need to get it into their stomach first.
19:47.59GhelaeSo I think it's very unlikely they'd use CO2.
19:48.03The_MEOW_KingYeah
19:48.45The_MEOW_KingSo they seek planets with atmospheres containing hydrogen
19:49.00GhelaeA planet with an atmosphere rich in hydrogen is also going to need to be quite a large planet, since hydrogen is so light it easily escapes into space.
19:49.05MonetGas giants are a good source of hydrogen
19:49.20GhelaeLarge super-earths should be sufficient.
19:49.24MonetMaybe they're a form of gas planet life?
19:49.33The_MEOW_KingThat would be original
19:49.43The_MEOW_KingBut how to find the carbohydrates?
19:50.01GhelaeCarbohydrates would be made just like they are on Earth.
19:50.11The_MEOW_KingOkay so...
19:50.13GhelaePlant-like organisms would run respiration in reverse using sunlight.
19:50.35GhelaeSo they take methane, react it with ammonia (or whatever fluid they use), and produce carbohydrates and hydrogen gas.
19:50.46MonetAirborne algae
19:51.08The_MEOW_KingAnd they release the hydrogen gas?
19:51.11GhelaeYes.
19:51.20The_MEOW_KingSo
19:51.37The_MEOW_KingThe atmosphere contains hydrogen and methane
19:51.44The_MEOW_Kingso the plants can live
19:51.45The_MEOW_KingThen
19:51.56The_MEOW_KingThe plants do their stuff and release the hydrogen
19:52.09The_MEOW_KingMy specie breathe the hydrogen and eat the plants
19:52.18The_MEOW_KingReacting the hydrogen with carbohydrates
19:52.23The_MEOW_KingProducing energy
19:52.28The_MEOW_KingAnd releasing methane
19:52.36The_MEOW_Kingwhich the plants absorbs
19:52.46GhelaeYes.
19:53.05The_MEOW_KingAnd what about the fluid?
19:53.16GhelaeThat just takes the same role as water does on Earth.
19:53.20The_MEOW_KingWhat would the oceans be made of?
19:53.45GhelaeIf you're in a gas giant's atmosphere, you aren't going to have oceans, and the ammonia will instead be found inside clouds.
19:53.59GhelaeFor a super-earth, the oceans you need will be made of ammonia.
19:54.09MonetI said they could be airborne
19:54.13The_MEOW_KingIts going to be a super earth
19:54.23MonetRight
19:54.43The_MEOW_KingAs building spaceships and stuff would be much more complicated
19:54.51The_MEOW_KingSince there is nothing to build with
19:56.30ImperiosNow that I played the new GW2 expansion I kind of want to reference these guys in the fantaysverse http://guildwars-2.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/mordrem-guard.jpg
19:56.45The_MEOW_KingAlso, do all species in the fiction universe uses differents elements to survive?
19:56.51HachimanWhat are those?
19:57.09GhelaeThere are only a limited number of elements you can use. Most fictionverse species are normal carbon-based water-used oxygen-breathers.
19:57.22The_MEOW_KingSo I got an original specie
19:57.47GhelaeThere are a few hydrogen-breathers including gas giant life, but no major species like that.
19:58.04GhelaeThere are also a few silicon-based sulfuric acid-using  oxygen-breathers.
19:58.08The_MEOW_KingSince they live on a super earth, I will make them have large legs and developped musles
19:58.17The_MEOW_Kingmuscles*
19:58.43ImperiosHachiman: Mordrem Guard
19:58.44GhelaeI think the simplest biochemical change would be to replace water with formamide. Carbon-based oxygen-breathers should work with that too.
19:58.55ImperiosBasically ent-elf-demon things
19:59.01HachimanAre they Sylvari?
19:59.16ImperiosCorrupted ones yes
19:59.42ImperiosBut normal sylvari don't ride dinosaurs
19:59.50The_MEOW_KingA super-earth has around 3-5 earth masses
20:00.01HachimanWould be cool if they did
20:00.18The_MEOW_KingSo the gravity my species has to resist is at least 4 G
20:00.48The_MEOW_KingSo they have large, muscular legs to move around
20:01.01The_MEOW_KingRight?
20:01.05GhelaeYes.
20:01.12The_MEOW_KingBut...
20:01.21The_MEOW_KingWould crawling be more efficient?
20:01.27The_MEOW_KingLike a slug
20:01.48GhelaeI wouldn't have thought so.
20:02.09The_MEOW_KingSo what is the best idea : legs or crawl?
20:02.09GhelaeAlthough I don't think there's any reason why they couldn't be like that.
20:02.13The_MEOW_KingYeah
20:02.24GhelaeChoose it yourself.
20:02.28The_MEOW_KingHmmmm
20:02.32The_MEOW_KingMaybe slugs
20:02.43The_MEOW_KingYeah slugs
20:03.13The_MEOW_KingSo slug living on super-earths, breathing hydrogen and eating carbohydrates to produce energy and reject methane
20:03.17The_MEOW_Kingslugs*
20:03.34GhelaeYeah.
20:04.13The_MEOW_KingWhat color is liquid ammonia?
20:04.20GhelaeColourless, like water.
20:04.38GhelaeOceans I suppose would be blue. Like water.
20:04.38The_MEOW_KingSo how would it looks like from space?
20:04.52The_MEOW_KingAnd what color would the sky be
20:04.57The_MEOW_KingWith mainly hydrogen
20:05.06GhelaeSame as Earth; blue.
20:05.29GhelaeAlthough I doubt it'd be mostly hydrogen; mostly nitrogen as on Earth would be more likely.
20:05.45The_MEOW_KingNitrogen, Methane and Oxygen
20:05.53The_MEOW_KingOOps
20:05.59The_MEOW_KingI mean Nitrogen, Methane and Hydrogen
20:06.10GhelaeYes, but methane will make up very little compared to the others.
20:06.19The_MEOW_KingKinda like CO2 on earth
20:06.22GhelaeYes.
20:06.40The_MEOW_KingSo basically, CO2=Methane, Oxygen=Hydrogen and Nitrogen=Well...Nitrogen
20:07.05GhelaeYes. This simple biochemistry modelling is really just simple substitution.
20:07.16The_MEOW_KingYeah
20:07.38The_MEOW_KingAnd their ships would have really strong truster to lift off a world with over three Gees of gravity
20:07.54GhelaeYou'd need more detail if you wanted to accurately describe what the equivalents of carbohydrates are, but that's more detail than I think anyone has on this wiki.
20:08.06The_MEOW_KingOkay
20:08.18The_MEOW_KingMy specie will look like alien slugs
20:08.31The_MEOW_Kingwith cat ears
20:08.37The_MEOW_KingBecause I like cats
20:09.02The_MEOW_KingBTW, what fiction do you have?
20:09.32GhelaeMy fiction is fairly inactive; it's mostly http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Apalos
20:09.46GhelaeOriginally I made the http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Girdo_Empire
20:10.12GhelaeBoth of those pages have a navbox at the bottom where you can see my other pages.
20:10.38The_MEOW_KingTommorow, I will start making my empire page
20:12.17The_MEOW_KingIt's going to be long
20:12.37GhelaeRemember you don't have to write it all in one go.
20:12.59The_MEOW_KingThe planet's atmosphere will be pretty dense, right?
20:13.15GhelaeYes.
20:13.25The_MEOW_KingAnd the ultimate detail
20:13.29The_MEOW_Kingwhat color are the plants?
20:13.37GhelaeWhatever colour you want them to be.
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20:14.01The_MEOW_KingThe main planet is going to be just like earth
20:14.06The_MEOW_KingI mean
20:14.10The_MEOW_Kingit will LOOK like earth from afar
20:14.19The_MEOW_KingBlue sky, blue seas, green plants...
20:16.58The_MEOW_KingNow I gtg, I have to make my specie and design their starships
20:17.42The_MEOW_KingGhelae, a last detail I forgot : how hot will the planet be?
20:18.24GhelaeHowever hot you want it to be. Temperature depends both on the composition of the atmosphere and on how far away it is from its star. So you can decide that it has the right combination of the two for whatever temperature you want,
20:18.27Ghelae.
20:19.10GhelaeAlthough the hotter it is, a) ammonia will reach its boiling point sooner (but higher pressure = higher boiling point),
20:19.20Ghelaeand b) the hydrogen will escape into space more easily.
20:19.38The_MEOW_KingHydrogen, Methane and Nitrogen are all gases at around 5°C
20:19.43The_MEOW_KingLets say it will be at 5°C
20:19.49GhelaeYou might as well.
20:20.19The_MEOW_KingAtmospheric pressure : 10x more than earth
20:20.21The_MEOW_KingGravity : 3G
20:20.54GhelaeOh, I think there's one influential species of hydrogen-breathers in the SporeWikiverse: the Vanara.
20:21.43GhelaeThey're also artificial, and boron-based rather than carbon-based. So otherwise not similar to yours.
20:21.54GhelaeJust thought I'd mention that since you did ask earlier.
20:22.02The_MEOW_KingYeah
20:22.10The_MEOW_KingSo I got a pretty original specie
20:23.39The_MEOW_KingThe empire will occupy around 15x20 pixels, and they will have something like 200 000 systems
20:23.42The_MEOW_KingIs that okay?
20:24.21GhelaeProbably. Just focus on getting the fiction ready first.
20:24.34The_MEOW_KingYeah
20:25.33The_MEOW_KingHow to search a specific empire in the fiction universe?
20:25.54GhelaeIt should be http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Search
20:26.52The_MEOW_KingOh I just need to select "Everything"
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23:10.23HachimanNgh Halo 5 looks so good
23:10.33HachimanIt almost convinces me to want to buy an XBOX One
23:11.36MonetHachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA
23:12.10HachimanI will be honest when I say that if I could have already bought an XBOX One or PS4, I already would have
23:13.23TechnobliteratorHalo 5 looks garbage.
23:13.32TechnobliteratorOnly reason anyone played Halo was splitscreen multiplayer
23:13.36Technobliteratorof course they took that away
23:13.40Technobliteratorand thus the game looks garbage
23:14.11HachimanIt's almost like opinions don't exist in Jo's head
23:14.45MonetI will atmit it looks rather cinematic
23:15.15MonetWhich is cool.
23:15.27HachimanWhich is what I was referring to
23:15.47TechnobliteratorWell, clearly thy do, or else I wouldn't post them
23:16.05Technobliteratortaking away splitscreen was an utterly stupid idea
23:16.09HachimanI meant other people's opinions
23:16.19Technobliteratorutterly utterly stupid idea
23:16.31HachimanAnd yes, I agree that the lack of splitscreen multiplayer is dumb
23:16.42HachimanAlthough admittedly I never played it for that
23:16.50MonetHonestly splitscreen appears to be on its way to becomign a rarity.
23:17.04HachimanI never played Halo with splitscreen
23:17.07TechnobliteratorI never played it for anything else
23:17.17Technobliteratorif it wasn't for splitscreen, I would have never played Halo, ever
23:17.32Technobliteratorexcept Halo CE and Halo 3 because I wanted to see what the fucking fuss was about
23:17.48Technobliteratorand all I learnt was that Halo 3 is a good game
23:17.56HachimanI cannot really take your opinions that seriously ever since you criticized Half-Life 2 for getting lost on a linear path
23:18.10TechnobliteratorPlease tell me how Half-Life 2's path is linear
23:18.40TechnobliteratorI don't remember the level it was, but the level I played was not linear
23:19.51MonetIt was linear.
23:20.24TechnobliteratorYeah, for most of the game
23:20.25MonetStory was linear and really the most choice you had was the occasional "track a or track b"
23:20.28DrodoEmpireHL2 is so definitely linear...
23:20.31DrodoEmpire>.<
23:20.46Technobliteratorthe level design was not linear
23:20.55DrodoEmpireI think the episodes had a bit more variation but you still ended up in the same place
23:21.10DrodoEmpireNot in the modern sense I suppose not
23:21.19DrodoEmpireBut in the overall sense its certainly a linear game
23:21.21Technobliteratorthe level design gives you no clue how to progress forward
23:21.27DrodoEmpireEhh
23:21.35DrodoEmpireIn a few places I got that feeling yeah
23:21.49Technobliteratorand masses of open spaces
23:21.53MonetWas this point you got lost in City 17 or in the swamps outside?
23:22.01Technobliteratorthat leave you no idea where to go
23:22.09TechnobliteratorI remember being lost in swamps, yes
23:22.15MonetOh that bit
23:22.17TechnobliteratorI remember being lost in some...dead town level
23:22.25MonetI call thosep laces semi-linear maps.
23:22.42DrodoEmpireTach: Ravenholm?
23:22.48TechnobliteratorThe game just tired me out, I hate shooters in general, and HL2 didn't change my mind
23:22.50Technobliteratorthat was the one
23:23.28DrodoEmpireI like some shooters.
23:23.45DrodoEmpireI prefer Strategy games (Most Grand Strategy) but I like some
23:23.55DrodoEmpireHL2 I really liked personally
23:24.07TechnobliteratorI liked Portal 2, that's it
23:24.22TechnobliteratorI enjoyed Halo 3, insofar as I had an actual motivation to play it
23:24.37Technobliteratorinstead of just being frustrated and/or bored with it like the others in the series
23:26.57Technobliteratoroh, another reason to avoid Halo
23:27.02Technobliteratormicrotransactions
23:28.42MonetYeah damn these publishers who want to make a return on their multi-million-dollar development projects!
23:29.09HachimanHonestly I think people overreact to microtransactions
23:29.16HachimanGranted, lots of companies handle it badly
23:29.20TechnobliteratorI don't think it's acceptable
23:29.46TechnobliteratorUnlike mobile freebie games, we pay £50 up front
23:29.59MonetHachiman: Kind of my point.
23:30.02Technobliteratoronly to be told we have to pay £999 more
23:30.54MonetHalo 5 cost a grand total of 250 million dollars to make.
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23:31.06MonetThough that might also include marketing
23:31.23HachimanI would be to not have to pay for major installments for my purchase and would prefer for microtransactions to remain to otherwise minor and optional stuff
23:31.24MonetTHat's a lot of fucking money
23:31.28Hachimanbe happy even
23:32.46Technobliteratorbecause in order to match other people, it's that
23:32.46Technobliteratoror it's 99999 hours spent
23:32.51TechnobliteratorFind another way to profit from your games instead of conning your fans .__.
23:33.37MonetWhat available microtransaction offers are there again?
23:36.12HachimanNot entirely sure specifically for Halo 5
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23:37.00Monet_2Okay I suppose it's annoying to face up against players who sunk $100 to be better than you but look at it this way: Those pussies had to buy an advantage rather than work for it.
23:37.39Monet_2You can buy a higher level but can you buy better knowledge of a map?
23:37.56TechnobliteratorWell, Halo 5 has some stupidly complex system that doesn't make sense to anyone outside of 343 Industries
23:38.13HachimanSays someone who has not played Halo 5 kek
23:38.16Technobliteratorbut I'm pretty sure they made it complicated and non-sensial so people spend more money
23:38.30TechnobliteratorLook it up, the system does not make sense to anyone
23:38.42Technobliteratorsomething to do with gold packs and points
23:38.44Technobliteratoror whatever
23:39.30HachimanI think one of the better cases of paid add-ons for games is expansion packs rather than microtransactions
23:39.49TechnobliteratorYes
23:39.58HachimanLike how Dawn of War, Destiny, Call of Duty, Red Dead, etc. handles it
23:40.11HachimanAlthough again, risky business if your game does not profit well at first
23:40.19TechnobliteratorWhen you've spent £50 already, consumers shouldn't be conning you
23:40.57TechnobliteratorI get it for freeby games, but it's becoming disgusting for big budget ones to do it too
23:40.58Technobliteratorand hell
23:41.06Technobliteratorsome freeby games have disgusting prices for them
23:41.08Technobliteratorand all the
23:41.24Monet_2Again, massive budget.
23:41.33Technobliteratorbasically making the game unplayable for people
23:41.40Technobliteratorwho dont spend £9999999
23:41.49Technobliteratorand pft not enough money
23:41.54Technobliteratorlets put ads in there too
23:41.55Technobliterator!!!!!!
23:42.09Monet_2It's not that they don't have neough money
23:42.31Monet_2If they can't break even then it wasn't considered a worthwhile investment.
23:43.00TechnobliteratorYeah, urm, I can't recall a situation in recent memory in which big budget games like these have not broken even
23:43.12HachimanYou'd be surprised
23:43.18TechnobliteratorReally, this is about publishers conning us for money
23:43.53Monet_2Yeah how dare these companies seek to make a profit.
23:44.03DrodoEmpireOhh dear
23:44.27Monet_2OKay I have my limits on what publishers do for a profit.
23:44.32Monet_2I'm not a total Randian.
23:44.58DrodoEmpireI dunno DLCs been getting really ridiculous for some games
23:45.06DrodoEmpireTake Total War for example
23:45.28TechnobliteratorI have a problem with companies seeking to make a profit using the disgusting tactics some of these companies have been using, yes
23:45.29HachimanFuck, you had to bring that up
23:45.30HachimanI do not condone that bullshit at all
23:45.35DrodoEmpireThey're seriously jewing their customers for money with the ridiculous day-one DLCs and stuff. :p
23:45.35Monet_2But Hachi has a point. $250,000,000 is a lot of money ot make back in sales.
23:46.21HachimanI think it's wrong to outright condemn a publisher or developer for wanting to make additional profit if they have broken even, but the tactics some companies use to do it is unhealthy
23:46.29DrodoEmpire^
23:46.32DrodoEmpireFor sure
23:46.36DrodoEmpireBut not all is bad by any means
23:46.40Monet_2Okay let me think of the maths.
23:46.46TechnobliteratorI don't know what's had to happen that companies have gone from being able to sell us complete games and earn huge profits to being incapable of selling products without 99999 microtransactions, and when they're released, they're incomplete
23:47.15Wormy_Oh Hachi, you might like these http://imgur.com/gallery/m1ahl
23:47.25DrodoEmpireI think Paradox does a *decent* job with its DLCs; It releases a major expansion for Europa Universalis IV every few months alongside a major patch. These expansions are usually about fifteen dollars Canadian and do change and improve a *lot*
23:47.42DrodoEmpireAnd plus some of its features come free in the expansion
23:48.06Monet_2$70 per game, $250,000,000 needed to break even. Microsoft needed to sell at least 3.57 million copies of Halo 5 to break even.
23:48.07DrodoEmpire*in the patch
23:48.07TechnobliteratorSquare Enix profits from games now by basically making the big games good enough that consumers will go on to sub to their MMOs and buy tons of microtransactions from all their mobile games
23:48.21DrodoEmpireMonet: I'm sure they can easily sell that much
23:48.22DrodoEmpire:p
23:48.42DrodoEmpireThis, alongside really cheap fluff (music packs, new unit appearances, etc.) is their DLC setup, and I think its pretty fair
23:48.43Monet_2Well yeah Halo's a massive IP
23:49.08Technobliterator...I really don't think they're going to struggle to sell 3.57 million when they average about 8 million sold
23:49.23TechnobliteratorBut I'd love that to happen, because I love to see Microsoft lose money 8D
23:49.30DrodoEmpireayy lmao
23:50.08TechnobliteratorThey can earn money back from this just fine with no microtransactions
23:50.10Monet_2The money they earn isn't just going to paying back Halo 5 or the Executives' pockets.
23:50.30TechnobliteratorI honestly think they're doing this to experiment with a new market more than they are as a serious business model
23:51.50Monet_2Microsoft annually spends 75 BILLION dollars in operating costs and employee salaries.
23:52.37TechnobliteratorMicrosoft seem to use Halo as their proving ground, and they want the franchise to be a lot bigger than it is, things like the Halo Waypoint app show this
23:52.42Monet_2The money earned from Halo 5 is a small contribution towards that cost.
23:53.00TechnobliteratorAlso, Halo 5 is more central to their business model than just breaking even with 3.57 million copies sold
23:53.28Monet_2Halo is a flagship IP.
23:53.44TechnobliteratorThe point of this game is that it's their system seller, regardless of whether or not the game earns money back for them, it'll make people buy - or be tempted to buy - Xboxes
23:53.59Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/b4dIASw
23:54.53TechnobliteratorThey could easily shell out more than $250 million on the game to make it a perfect 10/10 if only to say "guys look, there's this amazing shooter that's critically acclaimed everywhere, and you can ONLY get it on our console!"
23:55.14Technobliteratorand it'll still be profitable in the long run depending on how well the Xbox One does
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23:55.28TechnobliteratorSo no, I do not think shoving microtransactions can be defended here
23:55.30Technobliteratorhi random
23:55.33Monet_2I just rememebred another matter
23:56.15The_RandomnessHello
23:56.21TechnobliteratorI still love how Rockstar can make games as huge as GTAV
23:56.24Monet_2Microsoft's a public company, and one thing investors and shareholders don't like is a company earning less in subsequent fiscal quarters.
23:56.29Technobliteratorthen earn the money back and not need any of this
23:57.34Monet_2Rockstar isn't developing an operating system or a line of portable hardware.
23:58.09The_RandomnessSo what are we raising our pitchforks against tonight?
23:58.25TechnobliteratorThe usual!
23:59.43Monet_2The_Randomness: It starts with an M and ends with a T.
23:59.54The_RandomnessMicrosoft?

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