IRC log for #sporewiki on 20150812

00:10.49drom_The second's already taken
00:11.04drom_Anyway this amauses me https://www.reddit.com/r/sweden/comments/3gkg32/you_make_the_best_fucking_candy/
00:17.02Tek0516drom: lol
00:20.29drom_Appearently there was recently a robbing against a local grocery store, but spite the robbers armed and dangerous, bunch of people chased after them and shouted "Theif! Theif! Theif!". One of the robbers was caught by a private man only in pants and socks.
00:20.34DrodoEmpiretest
00:30.22drom_Wormy_away Tek0516: Just FYI: I've released the album http://imgur.com/gallery/qVLNH
00:31.43Tek0516Gave you your upvote. :P
00:34.07drom_To the frontpage shall we go!
00:35.32Tek0516https://steamdb.info/calculator/76561198082725686/?cc=ca Well this made me depressed. And it doesn't even include my DLC purchases (damn you Paradox).
01:42.48Wormy_awaysuch troll http://imgur.com/gallery/WYlGx01
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11:35.26Wormy_hi
11:36.05MonetHello
11:49.10Wormy_Tolkien villains too big for the big screen http://imgur.com/gallery/t66Mn
11:52.27AdmiralPandadas a big fuckin dragon
11:52.32HachimanI remember Ancalagon
11:52.39AdmiralPandaI'm kinda sad to say I haven't thrown a bigger one at a D&D party yet
11:53.13HachimanGlaurung makes Smaug look like a bitch
12:05.05MonetAngalacon the balck: Fate: Killed by a bunch of eagles and one of Arwen’s ancestors, Earendil. It is unknown how he did it, as Ancalagon is REALLY, REALLY BIG.
12:05.45Wormy_I remember in a Star Wars comic, this massive Leviathan which stretched into the distance over a mountain range.
12:06.23Wormy_http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan_(creature)
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12:09.19MonetHello
12:09.27MonetWormy_:Those blister traps ere eugh
12:09.42Wormy_indeed
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12:12.37HachimanFucking internet
12:13.07AdmiralPandahur
12:13.26OluapPlayerfuckin u
12:13.58AdmiralPandaget a room
12:17.26MonetSith alchemy can certainly be nasty.
12:33.35Wormy_I'm interested in the art style of Hundred Years of Darkness and Great Schism era
12:33.51Wormy_Like 40K, it looks anachronistic
12:34.31AdmiralPanda40k isn't really anachronistic, the ships are deliberately designed to look like cathedrals
12:34.53Wormy_Well you know what I mean, gothic
12:35.22Wormy_It certainly isn't an aesthetic modern designers look for the next smart phone
12:36.00AdmiralPandabut one they totally should
12:36.21Wormy_Yeah I'm tired of this "Everything is an Iphone" trope
12:38.15AdmiralPandaI just think gothic is a cool style, more things should be gothic
12:38.27Wormy_http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Exodus1.jpg  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Schism3.jpg  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Battle_of_Corbos_JMGD.jpg
12:38.32Wormy_What do you think of this?
12:38.57HachimanGothic style is <3
12:39.22AdmiralPandaI think people need to stop stealing their ship design from the Eldar
12:39.32Wormy_Strangely the Pre-Republic era doesn't have this aesthetic, maybe because humanity and other races were slaves so had multiple levels of tech
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12:47.32Hachimanhttp://thebest404pageever.com/swf/Mormon_Jesus.swf Brilliant
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12:57.22HachimanHai Imp
13:01.00MonetHello
13:02.07OluapPlayerhi
13:02.29ImperiosHiya
13:02.48ImperiosOluapPlayer Hachiman Monet: http://cs14108.vk.me/c540101/v540101305/232f5/zTeVcdgcLoQ.jpg
13:03.04OluapPlayerhur
13:05.34Hachimanayy limo
13:06.49Wormy_This is interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burned_house_horizon
13:07.11Wormy_An ancient culture would burn down their settlements every 80 years and built on-top them
13:07.40Wormy_For 4000 years it seems
13:08.35HachimanHuh
13:08.40HachimanSeems weird
13:09.49OluapPlayerHow emo
13:13.54HachimanDuring the Siege of Caffa in 1346, the Mongol armies of the Golden Horde unleashed a weapon of war utterly unmatched in terms of its consequence; Yersinia pestis. They reportedly started loading diseased corpses into catapults and launched them over the city walls."
13:14.18HachimanThat is both clever and fucking brutal I must say
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13:19.44HachimanAdmiralPanda: "During the Siege of Caffa in 1346, the Mongol armies of the Golden Horde unleashed a weapon of war utterly unmatched in terms of its consequence; Yersinia pestis. They reportedly started loading diseased corpses into catapults and launched them over the city walls.""
13:20.08AdmiralPandathat was a thing even before then
13:20.15AdmiralPandalike, the romans did that
13:20.34AdmiralPandaalso it was standard practice for the French
13:20.58ImperiosAye
13:21.00ImperiosBiological warfare
13:21.16HachimanOf course the French would resort to such disgusting means of warfare
13:21.53AdmiralPandapretty sure it was standard practice everywhere else, I just know for certain the French did it
13:22.37HachimanAlexander the Great also somehow managed to reshape an island into a peninsula
13:22.49AdmiralPandalots of people with spades?
13:24.00HachimanHe had his armies construct a kilometer-long land bridge to link the island of Tyre - think archaic Phoenician prison-fortress - back into Eurasia by hand
13:25.33AdmiralPandaoh right that, I read it the wrong way around
13:25.56AdmiralPandafor some reason I was thinking he cut the peninsula off into an island, but yeah I know about Tyre
13:30.10AdmiralPandaso my canadian friend went fishing on the weekend, and the salmon were jumping up the river so he parked his boat near a waterfall and three salmon landed in the boat on the way up
13:30.58Hachimanolol
13:31.27Wormy_How has he not vapourised and precipitated back on Canada?
13:32.16AdmiralPanda?
13:32.31AdmiralPandaI presume you're talking about the rash of hot weather up there
13:32.42AdmiralPandato which I answer he's not currently IN canada
13:32.51Wormy_I presumed he was where you lived lol
13:33.02Wormy_*live
13:33.19AdmiralPandaI have a few english friends who live nowhere near me
13:33.31AdmiralPandaand a russian one too, so don't know why you'd presume that
13:33.50HachimanBecause Canadians in Australiaa
13:34.00HachimanAustralia even
13:34.29HachimanToo hot and exotic for them to thrive in such conditions thus they dissipate and their vapours return to their homeland
13:34.37AdmiralPandahttp://cheezburger.com/8549410048/funny-web-comics-role-playing-has-changed-for-the-worse
13:34.46Wormy_Indeed
13:35.06Hachimanhur
13:35.27Wormy_Panda, Hachi:  http://funnyjunk.com/Weather+gauge/funny-pictures/4940632
13:36.11AdmiralPandaseen that before, didn't really find it funny
13:36.27AdmiralPandaaccurate in a caricature way, sure, but not really funny
13:36.54HachimanAlso you may already be aware but transforming their landmass into an island was what the Dutch did to stave off invasion
13:37.09HachimanAnd they accomplished this with many picks and many shovels
13:37.35AdmiralPandawas not aware of that
13:37.40AdmiralPandaalso was not aware the dutch lived on an island
13:45.57ImperiosDutch do a lot of shit with landmass
13:46.37ImperiosAnd when the landmass cannot be changed they just smoke weed and pretend it has changed already
13:46.45Hachimanolol
13:47.54ImperiosFunny that I say that
13:48.09ImperiosBecause my own city is essentially the drug capital of Russia
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14:08.36TechnobliteratorAnyone ever backed up a Windows install?
14:26.17MonetCan't say I have
14:30.09TechnobliteratorWelp, looks like I'll need a flash USB
14:30.11Technobliteratorbah
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15:34.10HachimanClosed my laptop by accident
15:36.08Wormy_Monet, Imperios, Hachiman, Technobbliterator:  http://imgur.com/gallery/tuG5A
15:38.22Hachiman"An Irish Corporation: You have two cows, one of them is a horse." My sidese
15:38.25Hachimansides even
15:38.30Wormy_funny cuz its true http://imgur.com/gallery/r1jB5yf
15:39.16Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/cu5mV6x
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15:41.17AdmiralPandathe australian one is so true
15:42.58HachimanSo I am going to be honest, I did something a little dumb
15:43.20AdmiralPandawhy did you get Oluap pregnant?
15:43.27AdmiralPandabut seriously
15:44.46HachimanI had a couple of Babybels - aka rounded circles made of cheese - and I let my laptop down on the rather flimsy packaging without thinking when I went to go downstairs
15:45.01HachimanWhen I came back, the packaging had melted partially to the bottom of the laptop from the heat
15:45.38AdmiralPandaso basically your laptop is now partially cheese
15:45.43HachimanWax rather
15:46.04HachimanBabybels are encased in wax packaging
15:46.05AdmiralPandatbh, slightly better
15:46.26AdmiralPandayeah I know what you're talking about, we have a different brand name for them but same basic concept
15:46.28MonetEither that or you mean the plastic wrapping the cheese and the wax comes in
15:46.52HachimanDefinitely the wax
15:47.32MonetBritish one is 20 years out of date.
15:47.33HachimanI had a mini "oh shit" moment and accidentally closed the laptop as I was removing said wax
15:47.42MonetWormy_: British one is 20 years out of date.
15:48.23MonetSo we had a stint of feeding our cows sheep's brain, everyoen else was doing it too.
15:48.52HachimanYeah I have no idea why people were doing that
15:49.10MonetSheep's brain has lots of protein.
15:49.22MonetShame that some of that protein is what caused mad cow disease.
15:49.40HachimanIt is like farmers and such forgot the fact that cows are naturally herbivorous fauna and should not be exposed to meat in their diet
15:50.25Wormy_I remember the outbreak.  Having to wipe my shoes in disinfectant rugs after walking through fields, and my mum for some reason stopping me from drinking full fat milk (not that it makes a difference)
15:51.16Wormy_And huge piles of animal carcasses on the news being burned (or was that another disease)
15:51.48HachimanI think that may have been a different disease
15:52.00MonetNo that was Mad Cow
15:52.05MonetIt was also Foot and Mouth
15:55.51Monet"The BSE crisis led to the European Union banning exports of British beef with effect from March 1996; the ban would last for 10 years before it was finally lifted on 1 May 2006" ah
15:59.23Wormy_I find prions scary and weird.
16:00.15Wormy_Its an infectious agent even simpler than a virus, but replicates by folding proteins into prions, and can evolve in a sense.
16:00.29Wormy_It has no DNA, its much simpler
16:00.43MonetEh. We may have been a larger culprit but its even harder to buy the growth hormone-filled American beef.
16:00.48Wormy_Don't eat brain tissue.
16:02.53AdmiralPandadon't eat brain tissue that hasn't been properly prepared anyway
16:02.53MonetI know feeding hormones are less wierd than feeding brains or bonemeal, but I've never been a fan of the American battery ranches.
16:02.53HachimanNo wonder zombies are idiots
16:03.18AdmiralPandaanyway it's 2am so pass out time
16:03.44HachimanI refuse to eat battery food on the grounds that it is unethical and the fact you can taste it is battery by the lack of quality
16:04.51MonetYou won't like this then https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/18/5e/08/185e088cbc8eadc4e1259fdd16df49ca.jpg
16:05.43Monethttp://alphagenetics.weebly.com/uploads/1/4/7/6/14764964/7483051_orig.jpg presenting the Belgian Blue, a cow bred to provide large amounts of low-fat beef.
16:06.53HachimanThat's fucking awful
16:07.25MonetI myself am disturbed
16:07.48HachimanThat makes me feel sick
16:08.32Wormy_I would eat vat-grown meat though.
16:08.47HachimanI do not mind the idea of selectively breeding domestic animals but that is horrendous
16:08.51Wormy_Then again I may never really like it.
16:09.08OluapPlayerCow is too /fit/
16:09.28Wormy_That isn't healthy, must be bad on its organs and joints.
16:10.08MonetWhat's happening is these cows don't produce a protein called myostatin, an inhibitor of muscle cell growth.
16:11.12HachimanI cannot imagine an artificially-influenced physiology such as that being beneficial to the health of the cow at all
16:12.37MonetCaesarian Sections are more common amongst Blues for one.
16:12.40ImperiosOluapPlayer: Gain-cattle
16:12.48OluapPlayerhur
16:14.04HachimanI can imagine Adeptus Astartes suffering from induced myostatin deficiency
16:14.40Monethttp://www.tynybrynfarms.com/photogallery/Tims%20BB%20Calf%20July-2003.JPG here's a calf
16:15.01HachimanThat is cute but it also disturbs me
16:16.46MonetCute calf with thighs that could cave in someone's front door lol.
16:18.45Wormy_There's a breed of goats which faint when they hear a loud noise, sparking a chain reaction
16:18.45MonetOne more apparent side effect is these cattle require more sustinence per day.
16:18.52ImperiosTo ease the depression here is this
16:19.04Imperioshttp://i.4cdn.org/pol/1439396201609.jpg
16:19.57Wormy_scalies
16:20.30Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/6Cgww6M
16:21.26Wormy_Star Wars pics http://imgur.com/gallery/9NEaY
16:22.18MonetIs that an armorued dewback?
16:22.45HachimanThat Sith Lord
16:22.56MonetTotallyNotRevan
16:23.37Monethttp://i.imgur.com/VbkZ9fR.jpg "Newest batch of Imperial officers take lessons in style from the Aetheral Talon Body."
16:24.23ImperiosThat looks pretty royal
16:24.43Wormy_Imperios:  Read top comment train http://imgur.com/gallery/TWohR "When people are nice...they are the best...."
16:24.48ImperiosThat metallic Stormtrooper armour looks fancy
16:24.53ImperiosIS that for that Stormtrooper lady?
16:25.43Wormy_Which one?
16:25.56Imperioshttp://i.imgur.com/K7iTvvR.jpg
16:27.26Wormy_"If they REALLY want to make fans happy, they will make these Stormtroopers hit almost every shot just to shut everyone up."  "Movie lasts 16 minutes."
16:27.35MonetSlightly mroe seriously, I wonder if Abrams took inspiration form the Royal Navy with that coat.
16:27.45HachimanImperios: http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/997/012/651.jpg Your pic reminded me of this
16:28.53HachimanMonet: Well the Galactic Empire took inspiration from Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany
16:29.12Wormy_With British voices
16:29.24ImperiosAnd a dash of the Soviet Union
16:29.31MonetHachiman: hmm yeah I guess I can see an SS vibe in that greatcoat
16:29.38ImperiosWormy_: http://assets.elleuk.com/gallery/12661/1391164887-gwendoline-christie-games-ofthrones-season-3-premiere-2013-gty__large.jpg That lady
16:29.57Wormy_I see
16:31.50MonetInspired by Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan -> Every officer speaks with an RP accent.
16:32.01ImperiosBecause evil accent
16:32.14Wormy_Hachi:  http://imgur.com/gallery/BSjXaDA
16:32.22MonetImperios: Aye
16:32.25HachimanNote that the factions that inspired the Galactic Empire were imperialist or dictatorships
16:32.45ImperiosHachiman Monet: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1439361755252.png Speaking of Nazis
16:33.04MonetHachiman: Yeah I'm counting a hint of British lol
16:33.19MonetBecause the SUn Never Sets on the British Empire.
16:33.25Wormy_indeed, the British Empire did bad things but it was nowhere near like them two
16:33.52ImperiosBritain was much more successful than both though
16:33.56HachimanImperios: Scandinavian neckbeards
16:34.08HachimanNeckbjards
16:34.11Wormy_Indeed, and what a legacy
16:34.12MonetOkay looking at these pictures I do have one teeny-tiny worry.
16:34.39MonetMost of the pictures are of a desert planet that's looks disturbingly light Tattooine
16:34.52Wormy_Actually one thing I am proud is that the British Empire destroyed itself in fighting against the Germans and Japanese rather than seeking appeasement
16:35.07MonetBad as the prequals were, I *loved* all the varied places.
16:37.35MonetI can pardon the original trilogy because of the technology of the time
16:37.57MonetSo I hope they're holding back on a number of locations
16:39.13Wormy_Sorry if I've come off patriotic hur
16:39.47ImperiosSince when is that a bad thing?
16:40.40HachimanBecause patriotism implies you support the justification or ignorance of the past atrocities of a state
16:40.47Wormy_Well there are certainly things I do admire like the spread of English language, industrial revolution, road construction and so on.
16:41.29MonetWormy's patriotism was fine - He's proud of his nation but he knew we did shit that 'were not proud of, accept and want to move on from.
16:41.37Wormy_it helped seed democracy
16:42.12ImperiosThat's what we call cotton wool jacket patriotism
16:42.17Imperios(that was to Hachiman)
16:42.21Wormy_On the other hand, the British Empire created concentration camps, practised eugenics and violently cracked down on rebellion.
16:42.45ImperiosWill Xho come
16:43.13Wormy_By the early 20th century however, not even the British were fond of this, after a crackdown in India ione British general was stripped of his rank and sent home
16:43.40Wormy_Only decades before he would have been celebrated
16:46.07OluapPlayerI hope so
16:49.42Wormy_I hope the British spaceport will open us up to space and possibly asteroid mining.  The sun can never set in space
16:50.36HachimanAye
16:50.46HachimanAsteroid mining would be wonderful to see in my lifetime
16:51.32Monethttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31711083
16:52.00ImperiosWormy_: Can you grow tea in space though
16:52.33MonetDon't forget the Skylon project.
16:52.37Wormy_Bring plenty of tea pags, or a hydrponics lab
16:52.49Wormy_*bags
16:53.21MonetBritian would surely become an aviatiion leader once again.
16:53.59Wormy_Hachi:  One company has already put up a a probe to prospect Near Earth asteroids.  And NASA wants to capture one and drag it between Earth and Moon
16:54.12Wormy_Or satellite
16:54.33Wormy_We are becoming leaders of the CGI industry!
16:54.54Wormy_And gold mining will soon  be profitable in Scotland...
16:55.10Wormy_oh but they will probably secede soon
16:55.25Hachimaninb4 the United Kingdom houses the most powerful space navy
16:55.50MonetI don't know if an indepndant Scotland will be able to fund a spaceport.
16:56.26HachimanBritain will colonise Mars and then we will have to deal with Martian American revolutionaries vying for independence
16:56.52ImperiosHachiman: Not Martian, Muhrtian
16:57.11HachimanMurs
16:58.16HachimanI wonder if this means Martian cowboys and outlaws will be a thing for the intrastellar frontier
16:58.52ImperiosActually
16:59.04ImperiosIs early human history in SporeWiki even documented
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17:00.19GhelaeHello.
17:01.51Wormy_Hi
17:02.10Wormy_We are discussing the rise of a new British space empire and its problems with Martian Americans
17:02.58GhelaeAre these Martian Americans Americans who got to Mars before the British could claim it?
17:03.31GhelaeOr did "Native Martians" not have the same ring to it?
17:04.50Wormy_They are British who became analagous to the Americans via a war for independence
17:05.03Wormy_But there might be Native Martians too
17:05.06MonetHachiman: "inb4 the United Kingdom houses the most powerful space navy" < We might have to compete with the US Space Navy but yeah I want this to happen lol
17:05.13GhelaeI see.
17:05.27MonetHer majesty's Roal Navy will cruise though the stars!
17:05.32Wormy_We will have to compete with the Russo-Chinese space Empire too
17:05.58HachimanChina and Russia becoming a single state would be terrifying
17:08.23GhelaeIf we made sure the whole Commonwealth remained close British allies then, at least in population count, we might be comparable.
17:09.02HachimanTrue
17:09.47ImperiosWouldn't work
17:09.53ImperiosThe Chinese are actually competent unlike us
17:10.46GhelaeHow about a Russo-Korean Space Empire?
17:11.22ImperiosAlmost happened in the 1900s
17:11.53ImperiosThe Korean Empire almost became a Russian client before the Japanese came
17:11.56ImperiosWould be actually cool
17:12.00Hachimankek
17:12.16ImperiosBut seriously it'd be more like Russia with the autonomous Korean Republic
17:12.30HachimanA unified Korea would be great to see
17:12.36ImperiosWhereas Russia + China would be Greater China with the Russian Autonomous Region
17:13.06GhelaeCombine the two to get Greater China with the Russian Autonomous Region, in turn containing the Korean Repubic.
17:13.15ImperiosEpic
17:13.24ImperiosShouldn't we also add the Stans?
17:13.28GhelaeSure.
17:13.37ImperiosCentral Asia is gud
17:13.44ImperiosAlso many Russians, Koreans AND Chinese there
17:13.44Hachimanfuk off
17:14.04OluapPlayerUnified Korea under the role of the grorious reader
17:14.05HachimanCentral Asia needs its own independence from European and American outsiders
17:14.10OluapPlayerFirst the Koreas, next the world
17:14.32ImperiosCentral Asia should be united under Kazakhstan in that case
17:14.36ImperiosSince they're our bros anyway
17:15.16GhelaePakistan is presumably not going to be amongst the Stans of Greater China. Whether they remain part of the Commonwealth or seperate may depend on how relations with India are at the time.
17:16.23ImperiosThe Commonwealth's spaceships would actually fire Pakistani suicide bombers as torpedoes
17:16.32Hachimanolol
17:17.12ImperiosBrits get missiles, Indians watch Pakistani people die and Russians and Chinese are mostly infidels
17:17.15ImperiosSo everyone is happy
17:18.08HachimanI can only wonder what this would mean for Japan considering the existence of superstates such as Greater China with Russian Autonomous Region - which in turn contains the Korean Republic -  and a more pro-active Commonwealth of Nations
17:18.29OluapPlayershut up weeaboo no one gives a shi 4 ur crap country
17:18.53HachimanWell consider Japan is a technological and industrial figurehead hur
17:20.44ImperiosKorea invades Japan
17:20.49ImperiosIt will be glorious
17:22.01HachimanTalk about revenge
17:22.39Imperios*levenge
17:23.24Hachimanolol
17:23.39Hachimantaruku about levenju
17:23.50ImperiosThat'd be Japanese
17:23.57ImperiosKorean would be
17:24.02ImperiosLemme use my new Korean skills
17:25.08OluapPlayerGRORIOUS READER GRORIOUS GRORIOUS GRORIOUS
17:25.09OluapPlayerthere
17:25.25ImperiosTareuk abawoteu laevenjeu
17:25.36GhelaeAssuming Korea's invasion attempts aren't spoiled by typhoons... we will have Japan as a region inside the Korean Republic within the Russian Autonomous Region as part of Greater China.
17:25.48ImperiosOluapPlayeR: Funny thing is, one of the first words we learned at Korean lessons was "comrade"
17:25.52Wormy_Could Japan defend itself successfully from China?  Given its large navy and advanced tech I'm willing to suppose it could unless China completely overwhelmed them (not counting Western nations)
17:26.01OluapPlayerCOMRADE READER
17:26.11ImperiosAnd then we were immediately advised not to use it in presence of South Koreans
17:26.14HachimanI doubt China could manage to invade and occupy Japan
17:26.51ImperiosYes but only because Chinese military is not very strong
17:27.15HachimanJapan has a very expensive and valued standing military
17:27.24TechnobliteratorHachiman, will you be able to make a new UNOC sniper soon-ish?
17:27.39HachimanProbably
17:27.52TechnobliteratorThis is good
17:28.28Technobliteratordrom, how well did you say Spore worked on Linux again?
17:28.56OluapPlayerBy that he means no
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17:29.30JepardiHi
17:29.36GhelaeHello.
17:29.39HachimanHai
17:30.10Technobliteratorhi
17:30.17OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/cMP4ooI.jpg Oh hi Horus
17:30.28TechnobliteratorI've double checked this PC so many times now
17:30.29Hachimanolol
17:30.34Technobliteratorjust searching for stuff I need to backup
17:31.19Technobliteratorbtw
17:31.32MonetOlaupPLayer: Plz no!
17:31.38TechnobliteratorBlizzard are considering making Warcraft IV
17:31.49TechnobliteratorRight after StarCraft II's final expansion is done
17:36.59OluapPlayerhttp://41.media.tumblr.com/d47296051b5c9332a3a997c91a5a4315/tumblr_nsxokzMcha1uqag2fo1_500.png Hitler's secret weapon
17:37.15ImperiosHallelujah
17:37.36HachimanFucking lolis
17:39.32OluapPlayerhttp://i.imgur.com/UvXCVMb.png
17:39.58ImperiosBullshit
17:40.02ImperiosEveryone knows space is Asian
17:40.21ImperiosBecause it is glorious like our leader
17:42.30GhelaeThe colour of the universe is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/cosmic_latte so make of that what you will.
17:43.31HachimanI would like to see a WW2 game set in the Pacific theatre
17:43.42HachimanRather than in Europe as they nearly always are
17:43.43OluapPlayerWhat
17:43.45OluapPlayerHow
17:43.52TechnobliteratorI would rather not see a WW2 game again
17:44.04OluapPlayerWhy would the universe be white
17:44.20HachimanWhy can it not be white
17:44.32OluapPlayerBecause space is pitch black
17:44.51GhelaeWho are you to tell the universe it shouldn't be white?
17:45.01GhelaeMore seriously, it's actually the average colour of all the stars.
17:45.01OluapPlayerSomeone with eyes who is not colour bloind
17:45.04OluapPlayerblind even
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17:45.15GhelaeHello.
17:45.28The_RandomnessHello
17:45.38MonetThe "colour of space" is a bit misleading. IIRC, itsm ore like "the median colour of every light source in the observable universe"
17:45.38HachimanA WW2 game set in the Pacific theatre that plays like Far Cry or Red Dead: Redemption would be glorious
17:45.42OluapPlayerBut that's just the overall colour of matter
17:45.57OluapPlayerAnd only 5% of the universe is composed of matter
17:46.09GhelaeYes, and everything else is transparent.
17:46.17OluapPlayerPITCH BLACK
17:46.38GhelaeIt's only black because there's no light there. Which is basically the definition of black, true.
17:46.51HachimanIf it was pitch black you could not see anything in it
17:47.05OluapPlayerI'm humoured by the fact the previously proposed colour was green
17:47.30OluapPlayerYou don't see a lot of green stars out there
17:47.31Monet"black is not a colour, it is the absence of colour"
17:47.38OluapPlayerOr green stars at all for that matter
17:47.49ImperiosHachiman: Kamikaze simulator
17:48.00HachimanHow insensitive hur
17:48.13HachimanThere was more to the Pacific theatre than just Japan
17:48.16OluapPlayerThat already exists, it's called Demoman
17:48.18Wormy_The universe is actually beige in colour
17:48.21GhelaeThe peak wavelength of light emitted from the sun is a blue-green. But because we see all of the other light it emits we just see it as yellow-white.
17:48.40Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_latte
17:48.47OluapPlayerThat was already posted
17:48.57Wormy_ah
17:49.15GhelaeIt's not only something that was already posted, it was the very topic of the discussion.
17:49.38GhelaeI'm amazed you missed it. :P
17:49.39Wormy_lol
17:49.41ImperiosHm
17:49.51OluapPlayerGoddamn Xho is taking too long to get online today
17:49.59ImperiosHow often are games about the Eastern Front made outside of Russia?
17:50.00Wormy_I've been away plotting the rival of our space empire
17:50.06Wormy_*revival
17:50.09HachimanNot very
17:50.13The_RandomnessCould someone explain to me what the point of contention here is?
17:50.21OluapPlayerKilling you
17:50.29Wormy_Piracy is how we will do it!
17:50.37ImperiosI remember Relic making a game about the Eastern Front
17:50.47GhelaeThe_Randomness: The colour of space. Is it beige, black, or red white and blue (in the style of the Union Flag)?
17:50.50ImperiosIt was hated in Russia
17:50.56Wormy_Empires are founded on pirates raiding other empires.  All we need are space pirates to raid the ISS and claim it is ours
17:51.13HachimanThe Western Front is a more popular topic for WW2 games in Europe and the US
17:51.17Wormy_Who could stop up
17:51.21Ghelaei.e. the United Kingdom flag. Bloody Americans and their stealing the concept of "unions" from us.
17:51.22Wormy_*us
17:51.45The_RandomnessIt's obviously red, white, and blue. Those all count as one color, right?
17:52.28GhelaeIt is one colour indeed, and that colour is British.
17:52.41GhelaeOr Russo-Koreo-Japanese-Chinese.
17:52.46OluapPlayerAh yes, my favorite colour of the rainbow
17:52.53OluapPlayerAfter red, blue and yellow comes british
17:53.28ImperiosGhelae: I think that there's a lot of countries that use the British colours of the flag
17:53.45GhelaeThere certainly are.
17:53.54Wormy_Ghelae, Imperios: relevant https://youtu.be/RSnySa-4V_U?t=1m33s
17:54.17HachimaniMPE
17:54.21HachimanFuck
17:55.07HachimanImperios: Imagine playing a WW2 action game where you are a soldier from the Philippines or India
17:55.09GhelaeHowever, the Franco-Dutch-Slovene space empire will be defeated by the British one early on in the next space race.
17:55.57Wormy_The British Empire started out from buccaneers raiding the Spanish.  I suggest we do the same in space.
17:56.04ImperiosHm would be interesting
17:56.16HachimanOr a fucking Gurkha
17:57.23GhelaeWormy_: And eventually the British Space Navy can face off against the Spanish Star Armada!
17:58.00Wormy_The Spanish Star Armada will get lost in a spacetime anomaly
17:58.53HachimanA WW2 game where you play a Gurkha deployed to combat the Empire of Japan on the Burmese front would be new and interesting I imagine due to the environmental and cultural differences from standard Europe-centric WW2 games
17:59.31HachimanPlus shifting the combat from standard FPS to something more intuitive or not as explored
18:04.09HachimanImperios: A game with Red Dead: Redemption-style mechanics surrounding resistance fighters in the People's Republic of Manchuria - mounted bandits and such rather than actual soldiers
18:04.46ImperiosWould be cool but I do not think people in America would care that much about China
18:05.21HachimanProbably not but people rarely care much about the Western front due to how overused as a setting it is
18:06.36Imperiosnot the kids
18:08.32HachimanYes but kids are dumb and people who develop war games to appeal to the lowest common denominator do not know the meaning of effort or risk
18:10.09MonetI don't think there is much taught about what happenedi n China during WW2
18:10.46MonetWhich makes its permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council a mystery.
18:10.57MonetIt held the seat even back i nthe 1950s
18:11.40HachimanUnfortunately, much about what is taught  in regards to the Pacific theatre of World War 2 is more centred on the American-Japanese conflict
18:15.46The_RandomnessWormy_: http://imgur.com/a/1rguF#0
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18:24.51DrodoEmpireHi everyone
18:25.21The_RandomnessHello
18:38.20ImperiosMonet Hachiman: http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2015/august/Sylvanas-still.jpg So Sylvanas's new outfit looks like this
18:38.41Hachiman>tit armour
18:38.47HachimanFuck off WoW
18:39.28HachimanAlso those eyebrows are dumb as fuck
18:39.41MonetShe's always had those eyebrows
18:40.07HachimanYes and they always looked dumb as fuck hur
18:40.33HachimanOther than the boob plates I think she looks fine
18:40.56ImperiosHachiman: She is actually more clothed than she was before
18:41.14HachimanAnd that is a good thing
18:41.24HachimanIt makes her look better
18:41.55HachimanIt is almost like the designers at Blizzard matured a little hur
18:42.07MonetShe used to be naked in her midsection
18:42.09Imperioshttp://www.bellazon.com/main/uploads/monthly_06_2009/post-13181-1245165507.jpg
18:42.15ImperiosLike that
18:43.39ImperiosPretty much bikini + painted on pants
18:43.43ImperiosAnd that is it
18:43.46HachimanYes I saw
18:43.51HachimanI think she looks better now
18:44.31ImperiosAnd WoW fans are already bitching
18:44.40ImperiosBecause they think it is feminist propaganda
18:44.58HachimanOh fuck off
18:45.19Wormy_The_Randomness:  Stuff like that is why I keep lego, because whatever we build can be tailored to our interests.
18:45.35HachimanIf WoW had its way, Sylvana would be going into battle naked
18:45.46HachimanWoW fans had their way, even
18:45.51ImperiosYa
18:46.06ImperiosThere is that character in WoW
18:46.08ImperiosAlexstrasza
18:46.21MonetThat doesn't count
18:46.32ImperiosShe's one of the most powerful and ancient beings in the universe and essentially governs all life on Azeroth
18:46.49ImperiosAs well as being one of the five most ancient dragons in Warcraft
18:46.53ImperiosHow she looks like in her human form?
18:46.53MonetShe's got nothing rude to hide.
18:47.06Wormy_Is Chaotic neutral the same as freely flitting about morality spectrum?
18:47.08Moneti nher dragon form anyway
18:47.17Imperioshttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JQf3NonM-x4/TXFp_MNd9LI/AAAAAAAAAfM/rQKpJRdMwyo/s1600/Alex.jpg OF COURSE
18:47.22ImperiosTrue
18:47.26HachimanYes but she does not need armour to survive in combat due to being a FUCKING DRAGON
18:47.30ImperiosTrue
18:47.35OluapPlayerChaotic neutral is a complete disregard for authority
18:47.43OluapPlayerYou do what you want and the others be damned
18:47.47ImperiosShe was also standing inside an open-air hall on the fucking North Pole
18:47.52ImperiosFor the majority of her appearances
18:48.07MonetTo be fair to her
18:48.08HachimanShe can actually afford to be exposed while Sylvanas cannot really
18:48.14MonetShe can take any form she bloody-well likes
18:48.25ImperiosTrue
18:48.38ImperiosNozdormu and Ysera are kind of naked too as well
18:48.59Imperioshttp://wow.gamona.de/wp-content/gallery/cataclysm-patch-4-2-feuerlande-quests/patch_420_nozdormu_humanoid_form_01.jpg Though Nozdormu is just shirtless
18:49.00Wormy_Well its surely the best way to be
18:49.31OluapPlayerIf you're a selfish anarchist sure
18:49.32Monethttp://wowfan.tiscali.cz/pic/cataclysm/news/25-08/ysera.jpg I'd say that's mroe shirtless than naked.
18:49.36Wormy_I consider myself good but its good to sprinkle some Sith in when need be.
18:49.58HachimanChaotic Good then
18:50.52ImperiosDeathwing has clothes but so des his dragon form
18:50.56Imperios*does
18:51.53Wormy_I don't think I am that either, but I was watching Eastenders and Ian Beale is trying to keep the killer of his daughter (his son Bobby) a secret and is blackmailing Liam to go to Devon and never come back.  In his position I would laugh in Ian's face and tell the truth
18:52.14Wormy_And enjoy it
18:52.22Wormy_Just when he thinks hehas won
18:52.44Wormy_It would be an evilley but good thing to do
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18:53.10OluapPlayerAlignments are not absolutes in real life. They are made around tabletop rules
18:53.53Wormy_Indeed
18:54.03HachimanSo there are people living in sophisticated and civilized society who genuinely believe octopodes are, or are descended from, extraterrestrial life
18:54.30Wormy_Oh thats not close to the worst.
18:55.11DrodoEmpireThere are people living in a sophisticated and civilized society who believe in homeopathy, Hachi.
18:55.17Wormy_People also believe Fungi come from space and gave us our intelligence from eating their psychedelic contents.
18:55.53Wormy_Check out Spirit Science on Youtube and look how many willing supporters they have.
18:56.12DrodoEmpireLiving in a sophisticated and cultured place doesn't shield a person from being dumb as a sack of rocks. :p
18:56.24Hachiman"I do hope aliens invade Earth soon, Pornhub needs a new category."
18:56.36Imperiosayy lmao
18:56.47ImperiosWormy_: So essentially humans are Orks
18:57.04Wormy_Culture is essentially a giant meme-plex, it contains rational and anti-rational ideas, some are stagnating and others progressive
18:57.38Wormy_Is that how Orks evolved?
18:57.50Wormy_Eating light filled vegetables?
18:57.52MonetOrks are sapient fungus
18:58.02HachimanOrks are fungi-fauna hybrids
18:58.23Wormy_I had no clue
18:58.56Wormy_But then, so are these guys http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Elachi#.22Shroomies.22
18:59.24HachimanIt really shows how narrow-minded people are to unconventional or strange aspects of the world when they consider something like the octopus, a definitive example of evolutionary adaptation to its environment, a genuine alien
19:00.07Wormy_Agreed
19:00.10MonetCould it be the internet makes it harder to filter fact fro mfiction?
19:00.27DrodoEmpireMonet: That's a fair point
19:00.50Wormy_Its not the internet, its a lack of intellectual conscience and critical faculty, or even willingness to learn.
19:01.08OluapPlayerThinking octopi are aliens has nothing to do with the internet, it means you must have missed elementary school
19:01.09DrodoEmpireBut people have believed in crazy shit since there have been people to believe in it. :p
19:01.13ImperiosHachiman: "Anime Is pure, sophisticated and masculine! And produced by honorary Aryans! There is no degeneracy."
19:01.17Imperiospol.avi
19:01.26HachimanSatire
19:01.39MonetPlenty of sites and YouTube channels that devote themselves to "the truth the State does not want you to hear" and honestly, it can be hard ot work out if they're o not something or if they're just pulling stuff out their arse.
19:01.46Wormy_We all believe in some crazy shit.  I have my own hah hah
19:02.02DrodoEmpireIts a human tendency to, I suppose
19:02.12DrodoEmpireMonet: They're pulling it out of their arse. XD
19:02.18OluapPlayerYou can't blame the internet for people being gullible
19:02.21DrodoEmpireI mean it just doesn't add up
19:02.33Wormy_Indeed
19:02.39DrodoEmpireThat said, its not an unhealthy attitude to be critical of the government.
19:02.51DrodoEmpireIn fact its essential for modern democracy
19:02.57HachimanCommon knowledge is not helped by the fact that media sources tend to butcher reports to exclude details and specific elements of a topic in order to push their own agenda or harmfully simplify a subject
19:03.06DrodoEmpire^
19:03.22OluapPlayerIt's at least a third of what citizenship is based on
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19:04.17MonetHello!
19:04.20Wormy_hi
19:04.29HachimanIt is not that the State is hiding a majority of truths to be found, it is more the case of the mass public not actively going out to do their own research
19:04.42Charles_BotHey!
19:04.56MonetIts not unhealthy no, but it concerns me that we're saturated to the point where youget peopel who cosider the very *concept* of state authority as something that hinders us.
19:05.35Wormy_The truth is, I don't think the State is holding onto much truth, they're as clueless as how to run the world and as feeble to economic and political instability as we are.
19:06.30MonetA lot of government conspiracy theories do appear to justify that governments have far mroe control than what we see o nthe surface.
19:06.44Wormy_What I'm sayinfg is, people believe there is a NWO pulling the strings, but thats nigh impossible
19:06.48DrodoEmpire^
19:06.59DrodoEmpireYeah, the government is far from superhuman
19:07.18DrodoEmpireLike you said Wormy, they're made up of people; People as shortsighted and generally incompetent as the next guy
19:07.23DrodoEmpireOr any of us.
19:07.25DrodoEmpire:p
19:07.29MonetFor NWO to be a think is to imply that the tensions between Russia and America are a ruse...for what purpose though?
19:07.39Monetthing*
19:07.42HachimanI mean Donald Trump is running for President and there are people that support him hur
19:07.48DrodoEmpireYeah
19:07.54DrodoEmpireWhat a joke...
19:07.59OluapPlayerWho the fuck is this Donald Trump anyway
19:08.06OluapPlayerI keep seeing this name everywhere lately
19:08.21HachimanAn asshole, basically
19:08.27MonetHachiman: I've seen the Reddit comments about him. Seems some peopel want him in the oval office to see him crash and burn as POTUS.
19:08.50DrodoEmpirehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL2NZUFWcAImD_p.jpg - Speaking of Trump
19:09.09Wormy_Yes, this Trump fella and his crazy hair.
19:09.18MonetHe's a quack and an asshole, but he's an attentino whore.
19:09.20Wormy_I want to know what he is about
19:09.23HachimanHe is a real estate magnate whose fame was amplified by TV appearances and gaining a reputation as a boisterous and mildly amusing asshat
19:09.41HachimanAnd he is running to be the President of the United States
19:09.44MonetThe fucker's a clown basically.
19:09.45Wormy_I hope people aren't gonna vote for him because he makes TV appearences
19:09.52DrodoEmpireHe's also gone into bankruptcy like a million times or something
19:10.09The_RandomnessI personally don't see Trump's campaign going much further thanks to some very impressive idiocy on his part
19:10.20DrodoEmpire^
19:10.28The_Randomnessi.e. making some very misogynistic comments and then defending them
19:10.31DrodoEmpireYeah he's not going to be president...
19:10.43MonetHe wants to build a wall on the Mexican Border and called all Mexicans rapists...and his popularity keeps climbing.
19:10.55DrodoEmpireI'm more concerned by his anti-Mexican rhetoric
19:10.57OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK45v_Qm-TA I only know Donald Trump exists because of this
19:11.01Wormy_Boris Johnson wants to run for President one day, he's a Conservative MP here and was born in the US.
19:11.30MonetOluapPLayer: Back when his hair wasn't 100% stupid
19:11.38HachimanI would say to vote Trump as a joke but then there are people who are voting for him due to genuine political alignments
19:12.06OluapPlayerDon't underestimate joke-voting
19:12.08Wormy_http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-27371673
19:12.15MonetHis status as class clown certainly makes hi mstand out more than the other more serious candidates.
19:12.25OluapPlayerSome time ago over here we had a popular TV clown who ran to be a senator
19:12.25MonetI think Jeb Bush was one of the other candidates.
19:12.26OluapPlayerHe won
19:12.33HachimanOh wow
19:12.49OluapPlayerHis slogan was "It can't get worse than it already is"
19:13.01The_Randomnesslol
19:13.18HachimanI get reminded of how Arnold Schwarzenegger managed to somehow become the Governor of California
19:13.37OluapPlayerI need to add
19:14.01MonetRemember when Impy told us an e-democracy campaign almost gave the city of St. Petersberg a pony for its coat of arms?
19:14.33HachimanThe pony Coat of Arms design was only disqualified due to copyright laws, otherwise it would have won
19:14.55DrodoEmpireohgod
19:15.10MonetHachiman: Hence "almost"
19:15.12DrodoEmpireWhy edemocracy is a joke everyone. :p
19:15.19MonetJoke votes can be scary.
19:15.47HachimanI am fairly certain Nigel Farage got as far as he did due to joke votes
19:16.02MonetProbably.
19:16.08HachimanIt is scary to think that there are people who voted for Farage with sincerity though
19:16.39HachimanI cannot stand anyone who agrees with nationalists such as UKIP or the British National Party
19:16.49MonetI vaguely recall either IGN or Gamespot once held a tournament for "greatest video game villain of all time". One of the nominees was Captain Quark.
19:16.59Hachimanolol
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19:17.12DrodoEmpireHello
19:17.16ImperiosWhat I know about Donald is that right-wingers are gathering around him
19:17.22MonetHe defeated two opponents in the tournament I think.
19:17.39ImperiosIs he like the Zhirinovsky of the United States? A crazy right-wing nut that is popular solely because he is hilarious?
19:17.53MonetImperios: I think so.
19:17.54HachimanPretty much Trump in a nutshell, yes
19:17.57HachimanThat and he is rich
19:18.23dino820hello all
19:18.29Wormy_He reminds me of that Abbott fella from Australia
19:18.31Wormy_hi
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19:18.53OluapPlayerGod fucking damnit
19:19.09OluapPlayerThe clown was the second most voted deputy in Brazil's entire history
19:19.14OluapPlayerI forgot to mention that
19:19.51MonetHachiman: Trump is also theleading man of America's version of The Apprentice.
19:19.55HachimanOh God
19:20.12HachimanJoke votes are pretty dangerous then
19:20.27DrodoEmpireI wish there were a way to outlaw them but there isn't
19:20.31OluapPlayerPeople voted on him as a form of protest
19:20.34DrodoEmpireThere's no practically mechanism
19:20.42DrodoEmpire*practial
19:20.46DrodoEmpire*practical
19:20.49DrodoEmpireFuck
19:21.56HachimanWas this clown voted during the time of Brazil being a military dictatorship by chance?
19:22.13OluapPlayerHe was elected in 2011
19:22.18HachimanOh wow
19:22.29OluapPlayerAnd he's still serving as deputy
19:22.44HachimanGuess that shows how bad the political climate is in Brazil
19:23.09OluapPlayerWell, an Impeachment against our current president was attempted this year
19:23.15OluapPlayerIt didn't go anywhere though
19:23.17OluapPlayerUnfortunately
19:23.26HachimanI remember one town, in the US I believe, elected for a cat to be its political representative
19:23.35HachimanThe townspeople actually live rather well
19:24.00MonetOluapPlayer: UKIP ended u pwith 24 seats in the European Parliament because of protest votes.
19:24.09Wormy_Thats because cats believe we are kittens, so look after us.
19:24.14OluapPlayerI don't know what that is
19:24.42HachimanThe cat keeps a legitimate status quo and does not influence taxes
19:24.57MonetThe EUropean Parliament is the EU's governmeing body.
19:24.58HachimanSo the townspeople live a rather secure life
19:25.03ImperiosHur
19:25.05OluapPlayerThere is someone who acts as the legal mayor
19:25.08ImperiosOur parliament is essentially /pol/
19:25.25OluapPlayerYou wouldn't think the US government would legitimately accept a cat as a town's representative
19:25.34Wormy_If you meant UKIP, it stands for UK Independence Party.
19:25.58ImperiosWe have Milonov aka "EVIL GAYS CORRUPTING OUR CHILDREN" or these guys who sung in the parliament building
19:26.19Wormy_Were they drunk singing?
19:26.56Wormy_In Parliament the sceptre has been swung in anger a few times.
19:26.58ImperiosWormy_ Hachiman Monet: https://youtu.be/2AvLyDmpoJA?t=18 These people rule us
19:27.03ImperiosOluapPlayer
19:28.14MonetIn other worlds Oluap the UK's largest representative body for Europe is a party of xenophobes.
19:28.32ImperiosThen there are our dissidents
19:28.54OluapPlayerRight
19:29.06Imperioshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YAhnM0LMNg WE HATE PUTIN SO WE ARE GOING TO WAVE FLAGS OF EVERYTHING PUTIN DOES NOT LIKE
19:29.52Monet"Joke votes are no joke" should be a slogan somewhere
19:29.57ImperiosLook at their flags
19:30.08ImperiosThe LGBT European Ukrainian American Brits
19:30.10Wormy_Imperios:  Ours are like posh squabbling school boys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bhpXhxP-WU
19:30.40DrodoEmpireMonet: YES.
19:31.07ImperiosI think most legislative bodies are crazy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHMrgwAuJ_U
19:31.49Wormy_Imp:  1:17
19:32.16Wormy_No 1:10
19:35.04Wormy_Imperios:  I bet the North Koreans used that as propaganda
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19:50.02Wormy_funny https://twitter.com/SirPatStew/status/627690084431564800
19:51.11DrodoEmpirelol
19:51.22The_Randomnesswat
19:54.04Wormy_I just read something interesting
19:54.37Wormy_English monarchs would still claim the throne of France until 1800, despite being kicked out centuries before.
19:56.17ImpyDroidhon
19:56.40ImpyDroidIs Elizabeth II still the Empress of India BTW?
19:56.50DrodoEmpire*Very* convoluted inheritance claims... :p
19:56.54Wormy_I'll look it up
19:58.07Wormy_No, but her father was.
19:59.09ImpyDroidRight
20:00.25Wormy_I'm reading she could proclaim herself Empress of Great Britain
20:00.39ImpyDroidThere is a rich guy who claims himself to be regent of the Russian Empire and has claimed one of the islands in the northern seas for himself to have a place for it
20:01.44Wormy_And he got it?
20:02.08Wormy_Ah no, rea you wrong
20:02.52Wormy_There's man in Texas who created a giant minature village and claimed it as a foreign country.
20:03.43Wormy_I used to love visiting model villages http://www.coolplaces.co.uk/system/images/6561/bekonscot-model-village-railway-see-do-parks-gardens-large.jpg
20:04.41ImpyDroidHm apparently not but he bought some land in the Balkans for his empire
20:05.04Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bekonscot
20:05.13Wormy_Good on him
20:05.30The_RandomnessWow, that's really cool
20:05.59Wormy_I proclaim the universe to be mine and no military, government or nation can tell me otherwise.
20:06.22The_Randomnesssame
20:06.26Wormy_because I am the universe
20:07.13Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Burning_house,_Bekonscot.JPG
20:07.26Wormy_The level of detail is incredible, I've been there
20:10.06ImpyDroidHm speaking of separatists
20:10.41Wormy_I once wanted a model trainset, to build the scenery
20:10.53Wormy_But too expansive and lack of space
20:11.09ImpyDroidHachiman Wormy_ OluapPlayer Monet: Apparently Transylvanians - particularily those in the north who are ethnically Hungarian - actually want to separate themselves from the rest of Romania
20:11.23ImpyDroidAnd create an independent Transylvania
20:11.32Wormy_Possibly
20:12.00Wormy_One of my relatives went to Romania and said there is a lot of anti-semitism. I wonder if that might have something to do with it
20:12.34ImpyDroidI think they hate Roma people more
20:13.54Wormy_yeah
20:14.33Wormy_Still, I had a bottle of Dracula wine made where Vlad lived
20:15.07Wormy_very nice
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20:18.34Wormy_Vlad the Impaler VS Sun Tzu  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5seScRjCuk
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20:20.17ImpyDroidHachiman: https://mobile.twitter.com/LOLKagame/status/613883456657981441
20:22.25Wormy_ImpyDroid:Latest Kim Kardashian News Makes Florida TV Anchor Walk Off Set  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kODnzx694PQ
20:24.54Hachimanbak
20:25.01HachimanAn independent Transylvania would be cool
20:26.46Hachimaninb4 the separatist head is actually Count Dracula who aims to create his own secessionist state as part of an initiative to create a vampiric empire
20:26.47Wormy_Monet:  I just realised something, Obi Wan aged dramatically in 19 years.  It maybe have been the Tatooine Sun who knows.
20:27.13ImpyDroidCount Dracula was of Hungarian descent too I belliev
20:27.23Wormy_That would be awesome.  In the future it would be like the film Ultraviolet
20:28.02HachimanWallachian
20:28.52HachimanSo yeah, I imagine Hungarian considering Wallachia was initially a Hungarian rebel state
20:30.47dromTechnobliterator: It worked for me when I used Wine Tricks to install Steam and then download Spore through it
20:30.57dromBut the only flaws were the broken graphics
20:31.26MonetWormy_: Yeah I think he was meant to be much older.
20:31.42dromAnd the different memory layout, which can cause crashes when you attempt to use a memory viewer/editor, mods and the force save mod which relays on a memory address.
20:31.49MonetIts actually wierd considering I think Qui-Gon was supposed ot be i nhis fifties at least
20:32.20HachimanThe House of Draculesti was a branch of the House of Basarab, with Basarab I being the founder of the Wallachian state
20:32.29HachimanSo yes, it is likely that Dracula was Hungarian
20:33.17dromTechnobliterator: And.. oh! You can install Spore using the Wine Tricks as well! It however requires you to own a physical copy (disc)
20:33.29Wormy_Lets just say, seeing the binary sunset nearly 20 years pays a toll on your body
20:33.36dromIdk about CnC and GA
20:33.45TechnobliteratorAh, I see
20:33.57TechnobliteratorI will probably just use a wine version of Steam
20:34.06TechnobliteratorAlso, do you use a virtual machine?
20:34.15dromSorry for the late response, I was on a day off with friends
20:34.19dromNope, native installtion
20:34.31Wormy_I'm also learned thanks to Imgur that Tolkein envisioned a Battle of all battles at the end of time, and since Middle Earth is a forgotten history of ours, it would look like a sci-fi/fantasy mashup
20:34.45HachimanWait what
20:34.45dromIf you meant to run the Windows programs, I just use Wine
20:35.56The_RandomnessInteresting
20:36.08The_RandomnessI vaguely remember reading about that
20:36.12Wormy_Was that to me?  the Third age is meant to end 6000 years ago
20:36.29dromDid anyone else try to get a word with me?
20:36.31HachimanUnless the Elves return to our world from the Utter West I believe that we are probably fucked when Morgoth and Sauron return to the world
20:36.40HachimanDue to our absence of magic
20:36.47OluapPlayerJust nuke them
20:37.18Wormy_Maybe magic changes by the age?  Maybe he will be a giant fusion reactor
20:37.32dromThe elves except the two were all twats
20:37.41HachimanI would say that it would be difficult to kill Morgoth given that he is supposed to be a literal god of darkness, but then he was almost killed via being eaten by a giant spider
20:37.55OluapPlayerA nuke would work even better
20:37.59OluapPlayerJust nuke them
20:38.09dromNah
20:38.16dromLet the sun consume the world
20:39.01OluapPlayerThis makes me wonder, what would be the higher tier equivalent of nukes?
20:39.15TechnobliteratorAntimatter
20:39.31HachimanAye, antimatter
20:39.37OluapPlayerI should've expected that
20:39.42TechnobliteratorYou'd only need a few grams
20:39.47HachimanAntimatter and von-Neumann probes
20:39.54OluapPlayerThe fuck is that
20:39.55Hachimanaka weaponised nanomachines
20:40.21TechnobliteratorEven I do not use weaponised nanomachines
20:40.23Technobliterator:     |
20:40.37OluapPlayerUNO's bullets are all made of nanomachines
20:40.39Wormy_Monopole-catalysed fusion, nanomachines, kinetic relativistic missiles, antimatter, black hole bombs of various kinds, hypermatter bombs, metric weapons
20:40.47dromweaponized nanomachines are too complicated imo
20:40.54HachimanA self-replicating plague of nanomachines that reduce structures of matter into their simplest compounds and convert them into more nanomachines
20:40.58MonetWe had the nanohore
20:41.01Wormy_strangelets but stabilised with tiny black hole atoms
20:41.03Monetnenohorde*
20:41.07OluapPlayerYou mean grey goo
20:41.12MonetYeah
20:41.13TechnobliteratorThey are not made of nanomachines
20:41.14HachimanYes
20:41.19MonetWormy_: Ice none bomb.
20:41.23OluapPlayerI'm joking u dunce
20:41.29Technobliterator:c
20:41.31Wormy_Yes
20:41.42DrodoEmpireAntimatter sounds more expensive then its worth half the time. Speeding a big heavy rod (or a spaceship) to near the speed of light would do similar damage. :p
20:42.00MonetGrey goo is the scenario, nanomachines are the technology.
20:42.00DrodoEmpireThough I guess that needs a definite target and has a limit to its power, practically speaking
20:42.03OluapPlayerSo ramming spaceships
20:42.12OluapPlayerALLAH AKBAH, space edition
20:42.16MonetAlthough I get the feeling a lot of UNO is more nano*robotics*
20:42.25HachimanI would have though spaceships travelling at light speed would phase through planets
20:42.27DrodoEmpirehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction%3AJulianne_Disaster - OluapPlayer
20:42.40DrodoEmpireHachi: Near lightspeed
20:42.46TechnobliteratorMonetAlthough I get the feeling all of UNO is more nano*robotics*
20:42.48TechnobliteratorFixed for ya
20:42.50Technobliterator:D
20:42.51HachimanAh
20:42.54DrodoEmpireThis fiction demonstrates that tactic in action
20:43.01OluapPlayerRobots are machines
20:43.03Wormy_The DCP has fired a gram of neutron-degenerate matter at 99% speed of light to induce 1 zeptatonne, 1/6th the mass of the Earth.
20:43.13Wormy_This is their regular weapons
20:43.17MonetBut not all machines are robots.
20:43.20Wormy_Simply because they can
20:43.33HachimanNDM railguns sound terrifying
20:43.36OluapPlayerDCP - the dong isn't gonna wave itself
20:43.56Wormy_I imagine it would look like a planetary collision
20:44.22dromNDM?
20:44.32dromOh
20:44.33OluapPlayerIn that case I know what to do soonish in the Fog War
20:44.38Monethttp://www.theengineer.co.uk/pictures/649xAny/0/6/6/2043066_TE_Nanomachine_472.jpg this counts as a nanomachine.
20:44.39Wormy_I've updated their weapons anyway http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/Technology/Military_technology#Technologies_of_war
20:44.58OluapPlayerShu'suvreca being bombarded with antimatter bombs
20:45.03OluapPlayerI was thinking the DCP could do that
20:45.16The_Randomness"The DCP has fired a gram of neutron-degenerate matter at 99% speed of light to induce 1 zeptatonne, 1/6th the mass of the Earth." mfw
20:45.39Monethttp://www.fedupusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/mems.jpg admittedly that looks rather cool
20:45.44HachimanSince Shu'suvreca is, presumably, a non-antimatter construct I imagine it would have the same effect as antimatter coming into contact with standard matter
20:45.48Wormy_Its zettatonne not zeptatonne, sorry
20:45.54MonetLargely because that cog is smaller than a skin cell
20:46.00The_Randomness:o
20:46.14dromWormy_: I guess no one can or is going to get their fiction to the same level of badass as DCP's arsenal.
20:46.38DrodoEmpire"Badass" being "Raw firepower" yeah
20:46.54Wormy_They only can with clarketech like metric weapons that the AI Netspace, Precursors, Junction and Dominatus could use
20:46.56DrodoEmpireDCP have that in spades, I can tell.
20:47.04OluapPlayerThe Junction can rival the DCP
20:47.09dromawesome, cool or face-melting. you decide
20:47.15OluapPlayerBut then again Wormy controls the Junction more than me nowadays
20:48.04Wormy_My personal favourite is this one atm, such simple physics http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/Technology/Military_technology#Black_hole_super-radiance_bombs
20:48.04Monethttp://ethw.org/images/3/38/Nanotechnology1.jpg teeny-weeny cog or asddgasdgadsfwtfdatbig mite?
20:48.39Wormy_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/Technology/Military_technology#Black_hole_superradiant_bombs
20:48.44dromMonet: Looks like a regular mite. That ain't no bear mite
20:48.57dromfucking bear mites man
20:49.26dromI bet that the bear mites survived the Annihilation
20:49.53Wormy_lol
20:50.27dromLike
20:50.35dromNothing can kill or hurt a bear mite
20:50.39dromSo why not
20:50.46HachimanBear mite
20:50.49HachimanYou mean a tardigrade
20:50.53dromSo why don't we praise them as our new gods
20:51.52Wormy_Of course if you want weapons that make the DCP look stone age, look no further than http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Civilisation_Fell
20:52.31Wormy_"Apalos had always been seen as little more than the errand boy of the Netspace and as far as the other AIs "
20:52.49OluapPlayerHow rude
20:52.59Wormy_Apalos are probably DCP equal or even exceeding them technologically.
20:53.48Wormy_". A single battle between machines had forever changed the shape of the Netspace, and had done so in less than a minute. It was a battle with more fatalities than there were stars in the sky, yet with not a drop of blood spilt nor a single breath extinguished. Now Apalos had to work to repair the damage."
20:54.26Wormy_Thats some pretty hardcore warfare
20:55.33HachimanWhat the fuck
20:56.00HachimanA casualty rate exceeding the number of stars that exist in reality and yet no blood was spilled
20:56.15dromInstant disintergation
20:56.36HachimanJesus
20:56.44MonetAren't a lot of the Civilisation's members virtual entities these days?
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20:59.22MonetHello
21:00.17The_RandomnessHello
21:01.10Wormy_Most are yes
21:01.15Wormy_hi
21:01.39OluapPlayerThey were just deleting each other at the speed of light
21:02.26HachimanThe key was seeing who would lag first
21:05.14Wormy_or who would succumb to file sharing site out of one painfully sluggish minute
21:05.37Wormy_out of sheer boredom
21:10.17Wormy_In the Xeelee Sequence, our era to them was the black hole era to us
21:10.25Wormy_For the Quagmites
21:11.36Wormy_And in Manifold books, the stellar era was a brief flash to the black hole era minds
21:14.11Wormy_http://imgur.com/gallery/MY6wwZz
21:15.01GhelHello.
21:16.22Wormy_hi
21:16.41GhelYes, "not a drop of blood spilt" was simply a reference to the fact that they're all machines, but then another line does mention "entire armadas were vaporised" by single weapons and other such things.
21:17.17The_RandomnessHello
21:17.58Wormy_I also interpreted it as something which caused destruction but no death at the same time, just re-organised everything.
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21:19.18dromStupid Win8 closed down my client
21:19.40dromWormy_ Ghel: Ever heard of Absolute Hot?
21:19.51GhelYes.
21:20.04dromIt is terrifiying
21:20.20Wormy_"For the forces of the Tyranny and DCP, the battlespace was changing by the order of femtoseconds thanks to the violent contractions and expansions of space and faster-than-light exchanges, far too little time to predict any study outcomes."
21:20.25GhelAs in, the opposite temperature of absolute zero. Not if you mean something else by it.
21:20.55Wormy_Yes, I've heard of it.  Im not sure if anyobody quite knows what temperature absolute hot is
21:21.34Wormy_But it would be instantly walled into a black hole I think
21:21.35TechnobliteratorI don't remember what UNO's superweapojns were, but I remember they had superweapons that I wrote about
21:21.51dromWormy_ Ghel: I see, according to a source, Absolute Hot is 1,420,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000C
21:22.04dromThe point when the conventional phyiscs melt/destruct
21:22.30GhelThat's the Planck temperature, which is the natural unit of temperature in physics.
21:23.05GhelTo know what its actual significance is would require a theory of quantum gravity, which we don't have for certain.
21:23.32dromBy the way, the hottest man-created temperature is 5,500,000,000,000. Which was achieve in a collision of lead ions in a particle accelerator.
21:23.35dromachieved*
21:24.14GhelThat would be quark-gluon plasma, IIRC.
21:24.44Wormy_Might there be some quantum uncertainty making the boundary to absolute hot textured?
21:25.20dromIf anything this is: http://i2.wp.com/www.fromquarkstoquasars.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/temperature-bbc.png?resize=962%2C4358
21:25.56GhelThe same "we need to understand quantum gravity" statement applies, as usual. I don't think there's any reason for it to, however.
21:26.13GhelBut the very concept of temperature may become a little blurred at those scales.
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21:26.37Wormy_On the black hole, I'm referring to this:  http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/realistic.html
21:27.00Wormy_On "Penrose diagram illustrating the cause of mass inflation"
21:27.18Wormy_"he inflationary instability acts like a particle accelerator of extraordinary ferocity. Whereas the streams of a terrestrial particle accelerator are accelerated by electromagnetism, the streams of the black hole particle accelerator are self-powered by the gravity produced by their own counter-streaming. The black hole particle accelerator easily reaches and exceeds energies comparable to those in the Big Bang. What does Nature d
21:30.41Wormy_lets hope we never see such energies naked in theoutside universe
21:36.49dromI wonder how much is the highest speed possible for an conventional bullet launched through an electromagnetic barrel, railgun.
21:39.06dromThat with the current technology we possess
21:40.10dromThen the same, but with the technology equivalent to a tier 1 empire, pimped if either required or nescessary
21:40.17GhelThat will depend on how long we can make the barrel, and also how strong the magnetic field can be made (determining the terminal velocity from magnetic force vs. drag + friction).
21:40.52dromGhel: I guess temperature counts as well?
21:40.56dromSuper conductors
21:41.31GhelIf you use superconductors, then you'll need the temperature to below their critical point, yes.
21:42.02GhelBut beneath the criticial temperature they have zero resistance.
21:43.03Wormy_We could probably pull several macs using the most powerful magnetic fields we can muster
21:43.17Wormy_I might be being far too conservative actually
21:43.35GhelYou can use the basic equations given on Wikipedia's railgun page, and if this is a railgun in a vacuum we don't even have to worry about air resistance (although friction will presumably still be present unless we really cool it down and use a superfluid lubricant).
21:43.54dromWormy_: Heh, Mac-books
21:44.31Wormy_2.8 kiloteslas
21:45.11GhelThe final velocity (assuming non-relativistic) will be sqrt(2*F*d/m), where F is the force, d is the length of the barrel and m is the mass of the projectile.
21:46.40GhelThen the force, according to Wikipedia, will be mu_0 * I^2 * ln[(s-r)/r] / 2*pi, where mu_0 is the vacuum permeability, I is the current, s is the distance between the rails, and r is the radius of the rails.
21:47.50Wormy_I believe Operation Plumbob accelerated a metal plate to 6 times the escape velocity, but it would have vapourised before reaching space.
21:48.03GhelSince current is generally proportional to area, you then have an optimisation problem: at what radius is the decrease of ln[(s-r)/r] with r counterbalanced by the increase of I with r?
21:48.04dromWormy_: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_number
21:48.35GhelSo if you want to plug those numbers in, feel free.
21:48.52dromThanks, but I'm not going to get to far.
21:49.05dromtoo*
21:49.14Wormy_It would seem friction would make railgun-accelerations impractical past a certain point
21:49.44Wormy_I would like to, if I had more railgun specs.  But I bet thats classified
21:49.49GhelIt arguably becomes a little easier if you want kinetic energy, because then you just need E=F*d.
21:50.10dromAnd what does d stand for?
21:50.19GhelLength of the barrel.
21:50.21dromOh
21:50.22GhelWormy_: You don't need railgun specs to calculate this idealised railgun.
21:50.33GhelI was going to use "l", and then for some reason I didn't.
21:51.09Wormy_Well, what I want to know is, what we could practically engineer.  An idealisation gives the theory, but not the engineering
21:52.26GhelYes, but it does give you an upper limit.
21:53.14GhelAnd depending on how carefully you select your values, it can be a fairly decent limit, not excessively high.
21:54.38GhelAll you need for this one is the dimensions of the railgun - how long it is, and what the distance is between the rails - the mass of the projectile, and the radius and current passing through the wires.
21:54.45dromLet's see. Get a 30 caliber bullet to reach near the c just using a 4 meter barrel...
21:55.12drom30mm caliber
21:55.14dromgrrr
21:55.24GhelIf you wanted to include friction then you'd need the coefficient of friction between the projectile and the rails, and then find the velocity at which these two forces balance.
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21:57.12Wormy_Could you work out how much electric current induces a magewtic field of 2.8 kT?
21:58.25dromWell. I'm going to asume that friction is zero.
21:58.52Wormy_It actually destroyed the equipment and lab, so if he want practical weapon then it would probably destreoy the railgun
22:00.37GhelThe magnetic field produced by a solenoid also depends on the number of current loops and the length of the solenoid.
22:02.38drom2,800 Tesla, eh?
22:05.09dromGhel: As well the resistance if the solenoid isn't a superconductor.
22:05.45GhelYes, but that will be taken care of by the value of the current.
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22:12.01HachimanWhat if Lord of the Rings took place in a scifi setting?
22:12.07HachimanOr a science fantasy setting
22:12.36dromThere is "Permeability"
22:12.42ImpyDroidThere is a Russian book that retells LotR from a more rationalist PoV
22:12.43dromBut I'm just going to asume that it is 1
22:12.57HachimanRationalist PoV?
22:13.22Wormy_LoTR could be on a colony with magic being ancient technology or utility fog.
22:13.39ImpyDroidThe premise is that LotR as written by Tolkien is exactly what it was based on - a national epic reflecting factual historical events
22:13.59Wormy_I've always imagined a fantasy setting on a Ringworld. Then I read the book and realised that was its theme anyway.
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22:14.39ImpyDroidAnd the story is what inspired it
22:14.55HachimanHuh I see
22:15.06ImpyDroidThough there is still magic
22:15.21drom~2800*(4*(2*pi*0.03))
22:15.21infobot2111.1502608
22:15.38Gheldrom: Magnetic permeability of the vacuum is a physical constant. 4*pi*10^-7 in SI units.
22:15.47dromAha
22:15.57ImpyDroidSauron is in particular a bold industrialist and orcs are just a now - extinct human nation which was demonized throughout the ages
22:16.11dromwelp, time to boot up VS and program so I can save the hassle
22:16.52Wormy_I'd take magic more seriously, there is certainly a scientific element to it.  LoTR's magic seems to be based on protoscience western alchemy.  Therefore, it is "Alchemypunk"
22:17.47HachimanI get reminded of Numenera - a tabletop RPG, like D&D and Pathfinder, where the setting is the Earth a billion years into the future following the fall of eight previous cycles of great civilisations, with magic effectively being a global utility fog or gatherings of nanomachines designed to fulfil specific niches and purposes
22:18.37HachimanYet the current state of technology for humanity and its neighbours - extraterrestrial entities and abhuman mutants - is reflected in largely Medieval-era designs
22:19.30Wormy_interesting
22:20.25Wormy_In terms of Fantasy magic, doesn't our modern technology have eery parallels in terms of function?
22:20.53Wormy_Dragon riders = fighter jets
22:20.57HachimanThere are ruins of ancient sufficiently-advanced technology littered across the continent - which is effectively a second Pangea due to artificial geological reshaping - including the likes of ruined space elevators, nano-plagues, antimatter and zero-point generators, etc
22:22.25HachimanThere are also implications of humanity being an artificially-recreated species during the current era of the world due to having gone extinct in a previous cycle
22:22.30ImpyDroidHachiman: https://www.google.ru/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://dotat.at/tmp/LastRB.pdf&ved=0CG0QFjAPahUKEwiQreu_yaTHAhVinXIKHSjCDHE&usg=AFQjCNFTkoXwvPhPl24MizpQub1NeoH3Hg&sig2=n-E1VZ1Wr6HkY5ZsLXC2fw
22:22.36ImpyDroidFound the book for free
22:22.46ImpyDroidAnd in English
22:22.57HachimanOh sweet
22:28.17Wormy_Of course you can invert this concept
22:28.35HachimanNumenera's setting and gameplay mechanics are effectively inspired by Clarke's Third Law, with nano/picotechnology effectively being the cause for a majority of ounces of magic in the Ninth Age - aka 1,000,000,000 AD
22:28.38Wormy_Where sci-fi is actually in a fantasy setting
22:29.00Wormy_In discworld our Earth is a magical simulation
22:29.03Hachimaninb4 midichlorian argument for Star Wars
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22:38.53The_Randomnessthat was weird
22:44.18dromWormy_ Ghel: According to my little cli program, I'd need about 50.1 million loops to achieve 2800 Tesla in space using the power 500 Amphere.
22:45.22GhelGiven how huge 2.8kT actually is, that doesn't surprise me.
22:45.37Wormy_That might explain why the lab that created it used explosives somehow
22:45.50Wormy_And it was a pulse rather than sustained
22:46.12Ghel256 MA, in fact, rather thana mere 0.5 kA.
22:46.19Ghelthan a*
22:46.54dromHere's the C++ code if anything http://i.imgur.com/8vHZnBY.png
22:47.46Wormy_thats cool
22:48.13dromhold on a fucking minute
22:48.27dromI wrote that the radius is 3mm, but it was intended to be 30
22:50.17GhelWhere's that factor of 4 come from between the field strength and the circumference?
22:50.19dromAlright, it seems like the final and real number is 3.36 million (3.36e+06)
22:50.26dromNope, length
22:50.32dromLength of the barrel
22:51.00dromIf we asume that whole of the barrel's length is covered in coils.
22:51.17GhelWhen I said "length" earlier I misstyped. It should be the circumference of the current loop.
22:51.53GhelThe equation is: magnetic field strength * circumference of loop = permeability * current * number of loops.
22:52.21Ghel2*pi*0.003 is a circumference of a circle with radius 0.003.
22:53.46Wormy_Monet, Ghel, Monet:  http://imgur.com/gallery/lFalK3I  "This chemical scum has universality. Its structure contains, with ever-increasing precision, the structure of everything. This place, and not other places in the universe, is a hub which contains within itself the structural and causal essence of the whole of the rest of physical reality."  David Deutsch
22:53.49dromIn that case then, no. 4 is the barrel's length.
22:54.01dromWormy_: Did you ping Monet twice in same message?
22:54.25Wormy_I did
22:54.33Wormy_That was meant to be you
22:54.45dromAw yiss tho
22:54.48Wormy_The post reminds me of Deutsch's poetic quote
22:54.53GhelIf you're going to include the barrel length, then the final answer is going to be the number of loops times the barrel length...
22:56.14GhelNow if you *divided* by the barrel length, you'd at least have the number of loops per unit length.
22:57.08dromIn that case then it'd be 840000 loops if the barrel was flat.
22:57.57GhelJust 840,000 loops. :P The barrel length is irrelevant to the equation.
22:58.11dromElse 210000 per meter, eh....
22:58.31GhelYou may want a longer barrel. Or very thin superconducting wires.
22:58.39dromI get that from dividing the result with 4.
22:58.54dromYeah, I'd use very thing super conducting wires.
22:59.01dromBecause it is the future
22:59.11drom*prolonged future*
23:00.53dromLet's see. I'm going to test with 10 cm radius
23:01.40dromThen multiply the magnetic flux with 10, if the mass in calculation is 1 kg
23:02.03Wormy_heh, you two beings knowledge hubs where the universe is trying to work out how to induce magnetic fields at a high level
23:02.11Wormy_*being
23:02.12dromcause 10kg 10cm caliber slug
23:02.38dromThe bigger, heavier the deadiler it becomes upon impact?
23:03.46GhelNot if it's going slow enough so that it has less momentum.
23:04.54GhelThe kinetic energy gain doesn't depend on the mass, only on the magnetic force times the length of the barrel, so mass doesn't make a difference there. With momentum...
23:05.27dromWormy_ Ghel: The funny side of this story for me though is, I got an A on my high-school physics last year. But I'm already an uneducated dork.
23:05.47Ghelv=Sqrt(2*F*d/m), so momentum is proportional to the square of the mass. So yes, increasing the mass of the projectile will increase the momentum, with all else kept equal.
23:06.12Wormy_You are certainly no dork if you can program equations.  That is something I aspire to.
23:06.16GhelThat won't necessarily make it more deadly but it will take more force to stop it.
23:06.42dromHm.
23:08.49dromI had an interesting thought while programming the little calculator, I thought that the slug's momentum would too high for gravitional shielding or any shielding that disintergates foreign objects upon contact to disintegrate the projectile in time.
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23:09.54Wormy_Well there is a lot of truth there
23:10.11GhelThat's going to depend on how disintegration works. Which is actually something I've never really considered.
23:10.19dromSo it will pass, and if the disintergration generates heat, the projectile will become an nigh-unstoppable fireball of fury that will pack a lethal punch even to the strongest armour.
23:10.27GhelJust vaporising it is only going to turn a cold metal slug into a hot metal vapour.
23:10.43GhelEspecially in a vacuum.
23:11.43GhelThe main point is probably not the momentum, but the velocity - the faster it's travelling, the less time the shield has to apply its disintegration technique to the projectile.
23:11.44dromOtherwise it will just make considerbly serious dents on thick armour or even penerate through multiple huge ships
23:12.02Ghelchecks his Guide to Stuff
23:12.28Wormy_So basically, a starship with even considerably strong shields could get shotgun last effects, just perhaps from smaller superheated fragments
23:12.47dromDepends on the angle though
23:13.01dromSince not all shields are facing to one single direction
23:13.04GhelI wrote there that deflector shields would actually work by using viscous plasma to deflect projectiles.
23:13.35GhelAny kind of disintegrating shield will have the problem you describe: the projectile will simply be turned into a superheated projectile.
23:13.57GhelIt doesn't actually remove momentum.
23:14.06dromI see.
23:15.01dromBut I believe that the deflector shields is going to have the problem of the stray bullets going through the shielding like a light through prism.
23:15.44Wormy_I think SporeWikiverse ships are likely to use different kinds of shield, I highlight problems like momentum and so on here http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/Technology/Military_technology#Non-phasic_shields_and_inertial_dampening
23:16.21dromSo depending on the angle, the shielding makes the projectiles less harmful, or bounce off to hit other ships that happen to in its way.
23:16.30dromto be in*
23:17.02GhelIt's not obvious that differing angles will reduce the effectiveness of deflector shields. It might do, but I can't say for sure that it would.
23:18.13dromI treat shields the same as armor, except it can be turned on and off and possesses completely unique capacities
23:19.04dromBut!
23:19.20dromIt also depends on the choice of material used for the slugs
23:22.13Wormy_I was about to suggest that repulsive gravity shielding might be able to reduce the momentum at an enormous cost, but then remembered the nullification problem:  surplus momentum is left behind.  Would that be a problem Ghel?
23:22.50Wormy_Nullification assumes both positive and negative particles have the same momentum though
23:23.03dromWormy_: NS - Nice technology you've got there. It would be a shame if someone made them into cages of hell.
23:23.39Wormy_DCP - Been there done that.  (March of the Apocalypse)
23:25.21dromAnyway. How many ways are there to cause a star reduce to a supernova?
23:25.23Wormy_Ghel:  I remember you thought of "Momenton particles"
23:25.32Wormy_A few
23:26.17GhelI have thought about this some more. These would basically be tachyons, which have infinite velocity in the zero-energy frame of the nullifying system.
23:26.18Wormy_Actually, only a few ways to speed up the process
23:26.45dromI've heard of the disruptor
23:27.20Wormy_I guess you would want to throw in loads of wormholes and increase its mass by filling it with loads of extra mass like iron
23:28.16Wormy_I prefer the term "star killing", you can imagine disrupting a star's output using things like q-balls, that may not result in an implosion but certainly negative effects
23:29.02dromSomething, something. That inflats a star into an unstable mass that then transforms to a phenoma equal to a supernova
23:30.09GhelWell, you've half-answered your own question there: to make a star go supernova, you need to increase its mass.
23:30.37Wormy_The problem with stars is that they are some of the most stable, predictable things around.
23:30.45GhelAnyway, I'm going to go now. Bye!
23:30.49Wormy_ye
23:30.51Wormy_*bye
23:30.55dromsee ya!
23:30.58dromdamnit
23:31.38Wormy_You could destroy a star using gridfire
23:32.28dromWormy_: Well you could inflate a star until it becomes a black hole. But the problem is, it require very big stars to provide an actual effect
23:32.37dromdeflate*
23:35.25Wormy_Again, only by increasing its mass so much that it gravitational collapse overwhelms the pressure of electron and neutron degeneracy
23:36.40Wormy_On gridfire, thats essentially sending a lightlike singularity, or a spacetime wave travelling at c, destroying everything in its path with no forewarning or disspitation
23:37.05Wormy_In SporeWikiverse, hypermatter detonation can do this
23:38.57dromWormy_: https://youtu.be/N_KSsyxWbjM?t=58s
23:40.12Wormy_Sure!  Why not?
23:40.37dromUntil 2:18
23:42.46Wormy_Another way you could wreak havokck is to dim the star with something like a matrioshka brain
23:42.50dromThere is an interesting reason here "That star is too small,it wouldn't generate enough light or heat to any planet beyond what i think astronomers call the "Goldilocks Zone",but how did that ship even slingshot around that star without being blown to pieces by the solar flares? Is the star an artificial star similar to the one above the Ark or is it just a dwarf star?"
23:43.40Wormy_I don't know much about Halo, but I thought their dyson spheres were mini-ones using hyperspace technology
23:44.03Wormy_Artificial I assume
23:44.13Wormy_Now here is something counter-intuitive
23:44.22dromAnd oh, the star was first instabilized for some reason I forgot, then one of the ship's crew scarified himself to prime the nuclear reactor used to blow up the star.
23:44.39dromSo. It is more info-scientific
23:45.03Wormy_If it was a supergiant star (though it doesn't seem to be so wrong explanation), then you could actually see through the star's outer layers
23:45.31Wormy_Those outer layers would be very cool, very thin
23:46.20dromThey should've blown up that dyson sphere sun in STO
23:46.55dromthese frikkin undine
23:46.58Wormy_So with shields I think a ship probably could approach it to certain level.  The bigger danger of course is from the Roche limit where tidal effects rip your ship to shreds
23:47.56dromI kinda find it curious how the lientaunt looks like it has only two legs in this picture http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/f6025afdea6a1f70f0ce0ee06d6c4141626126b0.jpg
23:48.01Wormy_Nah, that would send your ship back in time unfortunately.  In Trek physics, warping around a star will send you back in time
23:48.19Wormy_No basis in real life though
23:48.21MonetHehe
23:48.58MonetI was going ot say it requires the cheaply-shielded warp core of a Bird-OfPrey but i recall i nSTO you can do it with any ship
23:49.08Wormy_Maybe tripods are hard to animate without uncanny valleyness
23:50.33Wormy_Monet, drom:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33850710
23:50.38dromWell. I noticed that their middle leg is linked directly to the spine
23:50.43dromI mean, like
23:50.44dromouch
23:51.28dromGood for you Wormy_ Monet... We in Sweden will never get anything interesting for the moment
23:51.36dromAnyway. I need get some rest.
23:51.40dromSee ya.
23:51.45MonetWormy_: I'm too tired to go meteor-watching tonight.
23:51.46Wormy_drom:  Time travel in ST https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65nSJrF-zgw
23:52.16Wormy_It might be visible where you live
23:52.28dromBut speaking of the devil, I probably will a fiction based on the undines
23:52.37Wormy_Thing is I've got to walk into my big spooky garden
23:52.52dromHow spooky is it?
23:52.59dromfrom 1 to 10
23:53.32dromWormy_ Monet: *instant boner* http://pre02.deviantart.net/45a2/th/pre/f/2014/128/4/3/star_trek_online___kilij_romulan_dreadnought_by_adamburn-d7hnfaj.jpg
23:53.57Wormy_Indeed, I find it a bit too fanciful for Romulan design
23:54.01Wormy_Maybe Reman
23:54.18Wormy_drom:  6 to 9 depending on my mood
23:54.27MonetShinzon's Scimitar was built with Reman labour
23:54.35Wormy_I have a big garden and I have to walk to it up steps
23:54.57dromBut why is it spooky?
23:55.18Wormy_Big trees things could hide behind
23:55.34Wormy_brb might go and look
23:55.35dromHm
23:57.02dromI'm surronded by thick and dense forest. Only a street light illuminate the exit on the other side of the road.
23:58.05dromIt has been a while we washed the glass on our windows last. So the garden looks more spooky from inside than outside.
23:58.15dromBye for rael

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