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00:33.04Wormy_I hear an owl
00:35.49DrodoEmpireI don't. It may have something to do with being an ocean away from you and therefore also the owl you're hearing.
00:37.43Wormy_Don't be silly, why are you trying to hear one over an ocean?
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00:41.06OluapPlayercoo
00:41.31Wormy_heard you were talkin' shit http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/09/article-2358817-1ABA6FCF000005DC-511_634x485.jpg
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00:50.05Wormy_real shiz https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1030/4723409597_ab8caa4d93_z.jpg
01:44.46DrodoEmpiretest
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09:36.39AdmiralPandahi all
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09:58.54JepardiHi
10:02.29AdmiralPandahi
10:02.54Tek0516Hello
10:19.42AdmiralPandagot to love arseholes on youtube -.-
10:20.14Wormy_Yeah
10:21.12AdmiralPandawas watching a demonstration of forging techniques, and a guy heated a length of wire by hammering it. Guy asked in the comments how that works because he thought it would be impossible, so I butcher the result I get from a 1 minute google search by way of an answer
10:21.32AdmiralPandaturns out he studies physics professionally and therefore feels the need to talk down to me, when he gave no prior indication of that at all
10:22.13Tek0516-.-
10:23.59AdmiralPandapersonally I don't know what kind of answer he expects a blacksmith to provide when, according to him, he already understands the physics principles involved and according to his knowledge it should be impossible.
10:24.46AdmiralPandaI mean, he literally just watched it happen in a video, so clearly it's not just possible but it's a regular occurrence (it's a technique blacksmiths once used to light their forges without needing a flint and striker)
10:26.04Wormy_What you have there is someone who is not taking seriously what is being observed.
10:26.17AdmiralPandaNo, what we have there is an arsehole.
10:27.03AdmiralPandaruined the whole thing really, the video was a breakdown of traditional Japanese swordsmithing techniques which I found quite enlightening
10:27.53Wormy_I'm interested in this phenomenon, what was the result you found?  I think I've seen it watching forges, when you hit red hot metal and it gets brighter
10:28.25AdmiralPandato give the horribly butchered answer I gave him, some of the kinetic energy imparted by the hammer blow gets converted into waste heat in the metal
10:29.09AdmiralPandaI don't know the specifics, and post that incident I really can't be bothered figuring out how it happens
10:30.22AdmiralPandaI already knew it could be done mind you, it was just cool to see it actually happen
10:30.59Wormy_It sounds reasonable, in hot metal, the atoms are moving about more anyway requiring less energy to generate internal friction.
10:31.32AdmiralPandahe started with cold metal
10:32.03AdmiralPandaas in he literally pulled a piece of wire out of a drawer and started hammering it
10:32.06Wormy_Hm, that is very counter-intuitive.
10:32.48AdmiralPandathat's the whole point, as I said above it was how the smiths started their forges
10:32.58AdmiralPandastarting cold is the point, I mean
10:33.27AdmiralPandahammer the metal until it glows, and use that to light the kindling
10:44.07AdmiralPandaon the subject of interesting things in the video, it made me realise just how pathetic Japan's natural iron ore is :P
10:44.58AdmiralPandait really occurred to me just how much of the preparation goes into making the metal up to the same standard as crucible or foundry steel
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10:46.30Liquid_InkMurray!
10:46.38AdmiralPandathe best way of smelting iron sands results in very irregular bloom (the post-smelting mixture of metal and slag), which you have to divide into high and low carbon steels, then the whole tile stacking and folding process is intended to normalise the carbon content and remove impurities
10:48.18AdmiralPandathe soft metal core and differential tempering techniques are neat, and quite an innovative way of achieving the desired result
10:48.57Wormy_yeah
10:50.06AdmiralPandathough somewhat less impressive when you consider that a similar result is achieved by the fuller in western blades, it's quite clever
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10:51.35Wormy_New Horizons is less than an hour away from closest approach http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/
10:56.32AdmiralPandaon another subject it's quite interesting how one of the most noticeable results of improved materials is increased sword length
11:04.10TekDroidSo there's an 80-90% chance of rain, a "special weather warning" from a government ministry and my boss still wants us to work outside. O.o
11:07.48AdmiralPandaheh
11:12.55Wormy_http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Pluto_now.jpg
11:21.28Wormy_Getting a feel for it
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11:25.41AdmiralPandahi
11:25.44MonetHello
11:28.24Wormy_Monet, Liquid_Ink:  Well that's gorgeous http://mic.com/articles/122220/nasa-releases-first-photos-of-plutos-surface
11:28.51Liquid_InkWEEEEE
11:33.02Wormy_It is now inside Charon's orbit
11:34.00Liquid_InkOoh, do we get pretty pictures of Charon?
11:34.13Liquid_InkAnd the other four moons?
11:37.29Wormy_Yes, we will
11:38.20Wormy_http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/#public
11:38.24Wormy_watch it live
11:38.35Wormy_Well not the probe, but NASA's feed
11:40.06MonetIts going to pass but we won't be able t osee anything until tonight due ot lag.
11:41.32Wormy_They are explaining right now that the antenna is also pointed away from Earth, to get full coverage of Pluto
11:42.07Wormy_And all the data will take 16 months to be transmitted
11:42.39Monetjust transmitted or transmitted and studied?
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11:47.25Wormy_Just for all of it to be transmitted
11:47.44Wormy_The value will be decades of study
11:51.29Wormy_They are all chanting USA!  USA!  USA! lol
11:51.45Wormy_Tribalism in the era of space exploration!
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12:04.33Wormy_Lets just hope the probe won't glitch or collide with something before it begins transmission.
12:05.58Liquid_Inkslaps Wormy for jinxing it.
12:08.16Wormy_According to Telegraph "'It's about America,' says Nasa TV presenters Dwayne Brown, completely missing the point."
12:08.56Liquid_InkWhat?
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12:13.59Wormy_That's what he said
12:14.12Wormy_<PROTECTED>
12:25.09MonetI like how much of a landmark this whole thing feels
12:25.18MonetIts a pleasing break
12:25.57Wormy_Progress is painfully slow, but it is a real thing.
12:27.04MonetResearch is not as fast as CSI makes it look.
12:27.39AdmiralPandaNot until a random group of gamers solves the structure of a protein in two weeks when scientists had been working on it for a decade :P
12:28.38Liquid_InkThen track the mysterious signals to their microwave.
12:31.13Wormy_http://i.imgur.com/hS5U9EI.png
12:32.01MonetWormy_: Oh that is nasty
12:32.44Wormy_From http://imgur.com/gallery/5SLlDLS
12:34.40Monet"filet minion" that is both clever and mean lol
12:37.38Monet"sha-ron"
12:37.56MonetBecause of Greek leterring shouldn't the ferryman's name be "kah-ron"?
12:39.41AdmiralPandaI know the Romans had no soft c sound, did the Greeks?
12:40.16Wormy_I've always said "cha-ron", as in "checkers"
12:42.04MonetWell the greek letter X (chi) was pronounced as "kee" (or kaim could depend on the accent)
12:42.17Monetor "kai"*
12:42.59MonetTheir accents make it sound like the moon is called Sharon
12:43.29AdmiralPandaok properly it should sound almost like keran
12:44.42AdmiralPandakɛərɒn, the reverse e is as pronounced in fell, the upside down e followed by r is as pronounced in perceive, and the upside down a is as pronounced in pod
12:44.46TechnobliteratorWow, Konami
12:44.48AdmiralPandaso that would be keron
12:44.52Technobliteratorofficially the most childish publisher
12:45.10MonetWhat did they do now?
12:45.14AdmiralPandathe alternative is the same but instead of the upside down a there's another upside down e, which is pronounced like a
12:45.22AdmiralPandaso either keron or keran
12:46.00Technobliteratorupdated MGSV cover art
12:46.08TechnobliteratorSolely to remove "A Hideo Kojima game" from the title
12:46.21AdmiralPandathat's old news
12:46.29AdmiralPandaand they undid it
12:46.36OluapPlayerKojima Productions doesn't exist as an entity anymore, so I heard
12:46.43AdmiralPanda^
12:46.44OluapPlayerApparently confirmed by Snake's japanese VA
12:47.56AdmiralPandaI'm surprised it took you this long to hear about it Techno, given how much you're a fan of the series
12:48.17TechnobliteratorI really am not too excited for MGSV at all
12:48.27TechnobliteratorI am unsure if I'm even going to buy it
12:48.31Technobliteratorthus, I haven't kept up with it
12:49.13MonetPeople are talking about the bad side of nuclear power yet the New Horizons probe might not be possible without radioisotope power generation.
12:50.12AdmiralPandaon an unrelated note, Fordanta is properly pronounced fɔrdɑːntɑː
12:50.46AdmiralPanda(now that I've found an actual IPA character guide online the copy pasting shall begin)
12:51.31MonetI really should lern how ti interpret IPA characters
12:51.51TechnobliteratorThey're never going to beat MGS3, regardless of how hard they try, and I do not like the direction MGSV's story is going in
12:51.59OluapPlayerOh i didn't know there was a clear picture of Pluto yet
12:52.01Technobliteratorthe gameplay is intriguing but that's it
12:52.02AdmiralPandahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English
12:52.24OluapPlayerIt looks like it has a heart in it
12:52.34OluapPlayerThe cuddly dwarf planet
12:53.07MonetTechnobliterator: Does it need ot though?
12:53.11Monetneed to*
12:53.25OluapPlayerhttp://i.4cdn.org/sci/1436877651781.png at the bottom definitely looks like a <3
12:53.27TechnobliteratorFor me, yes
12:53.55TechnobliteratorBut then again, I don't know if any game can ever beat MGS3 ever, since that was the best game of all time ever made omg u gais
12:54.13OluapPlayershup
12:54.21MonetIt's difficult to surpass a magnum opus
12:54.48AdmiralPandahɛl'brɛ'k keɪ'soʊ'vɑː
12:55.53MonetI was going to say that lightning might not strike twice for the Metal Gear series but then I rememebred its actually rather easy to make lightining strike one place multiple times.
12:55.56AdmiralPandathere won't be a better game for you because you're biased, and there's no game that's actually comparable on any basis except a one for one MGS3 remake
12:57.15MonetHave to agree with Panda here. Bias 'aint a good thing to approach a creative work with.
12:57.45TechnobliteratorI don't see how any game can surpass MGS3
12:58.20AdmiralPandabecause you're biased
12:58.22MonetFrom what I've heard, one of the things that made MGS3 such a solid hit was that Hideo Kojima put his heart and soul int oit due to a BIG love of Bond films.
12:58.26OluapPlayerWe all have our all-time favorites
12:58.42OluapPlayerNo game can beat Super Mario World for me but I can respect others' opinions
12:58.50AdmiralPandaDark Souls here
12:59.50AdmiralPandathe developers' promise to the player and their commitment to that promise really touched me, that promise being that if something is in the world you can affect it, with no exceptions
13:00.16OluapPlayerDark Souls would be a good contender were it not for its poopy second half
13:00.19MonetI have a high opinion of Cities Skylines, but one thing I think SC4 does better is the music
13:00.50AdmiralPandaOluapPlayer: Do you mean the sequel that shouldn't really exist, or the post-Anor Londo part of the original?
13:01.02OluapPlayerPost-Anor Londo
13:01.10OluapPlayerAnd Dark Souls 2 was a good game shup
13:01.14AdmiralPandafair enough, personally I disagree but to each their own
13:01.15TechnobliteratorI don't think it can be put down solely to bias, though
13:01.29MonetI'm not sure which game I adore the best.
13:01.44TechnobliteratorGiven the setting of MGS3, and the story they told among several decisions, I do not see a way for them to ever tell a better story
13:01.57TechnobliteratorThat is when you remember what Big Boss is currently doing
13:02.35AdmiralPandaIt absolutely was a good game, after all it was more Dark Souls, but does that really justify its existence when we already have Dark Souls?
13:02.38MonetI'll always see MGS3 as a loving tribute to James Bond.
13:02.52OluapPlayerDosh
13:03.15AdmiralPandayou know what I'm talking about you twat
13:03.20OluapPlayerhur
13:03.34AdmiralPandasquirts Oluap with a water gun
13:03.41TechnobliteratorAlso, I think a remake of MGS3 as a one-for-one remake would suck, there are more things they could change :       |
13:03.42OluapPlayereeee
13:03.42MonetHmm, I do really like GTA V
13:03.47OluapPlayerWell I don't know, I liked Dark Souls so more Dark Souls is good as far as I'm aware
13:03.56OluapPlayerI found Dark Souls 3's trailer the best part of this year's E3
13:03.59AdmiralPandaoh I agree, just the above point
13:04.14AdmiralPandaultimately if I want more dark souls, I go back and play more Dark Souls
13:04.41MonetFor me, Civ V was the highpoint of the Civ series but I miss some of the old features, like palace view.
13:05.21MonetIn Civ II I loved how as your society advanced and developed, so did your throne room
13:05.27AdmiralPandahonestly, rather than a new Dark Souls I'd rather they take the concept they perfected in Dark Souls and take it in a new direction, like what they did with bloodborne, just more true to the souls fashion
13:06.19AdmiralPandaIt's a very unique perspective they have, the way they built the game is very different to how most developers these days operate
13:06.23OluapPlayerDid you ever get to play 2's DLC?
13:06.30AdmiralPandaI did
13:07.10OluapPlayerIt had some of the best parts of the game there
13:07.13OluapPlayerAnd some of the worse
13:07.16AdmiralPandaagreed
13:07.17OluapPlayerLike horse-dong valley
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13:07.35krowHey
13:07.35OluapPlayerI don't think I've ever been that angry at a videogame before
13:08.15AdmiralPandawhat I would like to see is a Souls take on -punk, preferably cyberpunk
13:08.37OluapPlayerBut I think Fume Knight and Sir Alonne are my favorite bosses in the two games
13:08.59OluapPlayerFume in specific was the boss in 2 that forced me to ditch my shield and learn to roll through all of his attacks
13:09.19OluapPlayerJust like Artorias in 1
13:10.04AdmiralPandaoh Artorias, much brickwall was had that day
13:10.14MonetWormy_: DAT MUSIC ON THE NASA CHANNEL!
13:10.16Monetasdaiofbhagfapog
13:10.30OluapPlayerConveniently Raime is Artorias' equivalent in 2
13:10.55Wormy_Wasa it the Enterprise theme?
13:10.57krowhow the quality of the new horzion's pictures of pluto?
13:11.03krowhow is the*
13:11.13MonetWormy_: Yes
13:11.26Wormy_Hah they played that earlier
13:13.20MonetI had a thought
13:13.43MonetOn the SE model of Aldra there's a plnet with an orbit period of I thikn it was 20 millennia
13:13.53Wormy_Wow
13:13.54MonetSounds like potential ong count calender material to me
13:14.01Monetlong*
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13:15.59MonetWormy_: I showed you before but this is the view from it http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/2/23/Greetings_from_Shivolus.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150608130810
13:16.55Wormy_Is that a binary system?
13:17.09MonetThat's the new ALdra
13:17.23MonetDraconsi now come from a binary system
13:17.30MonetDraconis*
13:18.08krowDogerios: I was looking for examples of multi-limbed sporewiki creations, so I happen to stumble across your "stuff"
13:18.11krow"Rhana - GODDAMMIT I DON'T REMEMBER"
13:18.44MonetFrom what I can tell using Space Engine, they have a day sun and a "night sun", but the night sun is too distant to illuminate thep lanet much.
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13:20.04Wormy_More like a very bright star
13:20.15MonetYeah.
13:20.50krowHot damn, this creature's a beaut. http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/1/1f/StalkieV3.png/revision/latest?cb=20111228183832
13:22.03MonetWormy_: Messier 110 is visile by the naked eye, but its shape and appearance it migh be mistaken by early Draocnis as a third night star.
13:22.09Monetnight sun*
13:22.18DogeriosOluapPlayer: Did you receive my message?
13:22.24OluapPlayerI didn't
13:22.28Wormy_Could well be
13:22.48DogeriosOluapPlayer: Remember what I said yesterday?
13:23.01DogeriosTurns out it is a false alert
13:23.08OluapPlayerOh that
13:23.12OluapPlayerGood
13:23.30MonetSince Aldra-B (Alcanti orbits around Aldra A) has its own planets I wonder what that would do to early cosmilogy.
13:23.39Moneteraly Draconid astronomy, sorry.
13:24.58DogeriosThere is no need to rush then I presume
13:25.11Wormy_I found a jewel of a world in Andromeda
13:25.21OluapPlayerWe should still try and get things done though hur
13:25.58MonetDogerios: So you're not going on a second holiday days after returning to St. Petersberg?
13:26.07DogeriosYa
13:31.40krowHey where did the Tyraz Breek page go?
13:32.01Monetgot renamed to "Tyraz" I tihnk
13:32.10OluapPlayerYes, it's just Captain:Tyraz now
13:33.14Wormy_Monet:  Save these coordinates RS 1186 1355 7 1031026 380 A4
13:33.24krowThat explains all the red links I'm seeing
13:34.18Wormy_It doesn't really, put it has surface structures I liken to ancient relics
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13:44.21AdmiralPandaheh the year is back in your username
13:44.27AdmiralPandasoon enough you're gonna go full circle
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13:51.17krowAdmiralPanda: Some stuff never change
13:52.12AdmiralPanda?
13:54.09AdmiralPandamy favourite part of watching professional LoL games: the TSM chant is so strong the crowd starts up even when TSM isn't playing XD
13:56.39MonetHello
13:57.35Charles_Murrayhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Atlantis.fr.png
13:57.36krowCharles_Murray: Could you tell me about how is my invasion of Romania doing?
13:57.47Charles_Murraylogo for another French news organization ^.^
13:58.07Charles_MurrayLet me look
13:59.07Charles_MurrayYou're more than fine, congrats!
13:59.16krowIts 13-unit army has been pestering me around for a while so I could need someone to look into it, since I ordered two of my strongest armies to steamroll it.
13:59.36krowAnd that since 7pm in the morning, it's 4am here now.
14:00.31krowSo basically no rebellion so far?
14:00.44MonetCharles_Murray: Nice use of the french flag.
14:01.03krowI second Monet
14:01.05MonetI take it Atlantis is mostly an online news firm?
14:01.55Charles_MurrayMhm, digital news. They're one of the few organizations actually allowed to embed with French troops.
14:02.31MonetPretty lucky then
14:05.06krowTime to go home
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14:05.50LuxorPLWe've go the Pluto!
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14:06.32LuxorPLHave you seen it's images?
14:10.49LuxorPLWhatever.
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14:18.01OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_War_of_Black_Fog/Part_3#Zr.27Ahgloth.27s_Nightmare blargh
14:18.04OluapPlayerhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Second_War_of_Black_Fog/Part_3#Sarec.27s_Nightmare blargh
14:18.06OluapPlayerNightmares galore
14:24.35MonetZr'Ahgloth: So stupid that he knows when he's in a dream.
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14:27.05MonetTHat is...actualyl quite brilliant
14:29.55Monet"Under his statue was an engraving which said: "our noo boss, da best one afta da one who failed everyfin eva"" white a commemoration that
14:30.07OluapPlayerhur
14:31.11Monet"In commemoraation of the new president, he's way better than the last one isn't he everyone?"
14:34.31OluapPlayerLoron politics
14:42.39Wormy_I might have seen the Devil
14:42.59Wormy_This guy of course https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didi_Senft
14:43.24Wormy_http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/tdf2010_07_26/t20_24389853.jpg
14:43.48Wormy_Unfortunately he said he wouldn't attend le Tour this year but catched a devil in the coirner of my eye
14:43.58Wormy_*but I catched
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15:00.10GhelaeHello.
15:04.12TechnobliteratorFor those wondering, the Loron dream was partly inspired by the new Batman game
15:04.14Technobliteratorhi ghel
15:05.25MonetI have yet to play Arkham Knight
15:06.33Wormy_hi
15:06.37TechnobliteratorIt's very good
15:06.49TechnobliteratorBest game of this console generation at the moment by miles
15:13.20OluapPlayerI hear a lot of flak about it
15:13.34OluapPlayerMostly about the game revolving around the Batmobile more than Batman himself and the PC port being shit
15:14.47MonetBest to take gamer forums with a pinch of salt these days.
15:15.03TechnobliteratorThe latter is true. The former I would argue is not
15:15.13TechnobliteratorI like the Batmobile a lot
15:15.37MonetSo wait
15:16.06MonetPeople were so hyped about how we could finally drive the Batomobile...are people complaining about less Batman?
15:18.59OluapPlayerYes. The complaints I've seen are that there is more Batmobile than Batman
15:19.52MonetGUess some people simply can't be pleased.
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15:31.44CyrannianHello!
15:31.49CyrannianWormy_: http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2015/07/14/pluto-pic-delay-as-new-horizon-craft-unsure-what-instagram-filter-to-use/
15:33.26GhelaeHello.
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15:44.47dino82_hellowz all!
15:45.45Technobliteratorhi dino
15:46.20GhelaeHello.
15:47.11CyrannianHello!
15:48.55dino82_:D
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16:02.03HachimanHai
16:03.32GhelaeHello.
16:03.32HachimanPerhaps the most horrifying scenario that can happen to a person is giving them the opportunity to observe all possible routes that their life and the lives of the people they know could have taken and discovering that the life they are observing their possibilities from is the worst result that could have happened
16:04.34MonetIsn't that what Arnold Rimmer discovered about himself?
16:05.05HachimanI am unsure, I never think I watched that episode of Red Dwarf
16:05.58GhelaeReally, if their lives are already as bad as they could possibly have been, you're unlikely to make them feel much worse by showing them how much better things could have been in any other circumstance.
16:06.18GhelaeI'm sure it's possible for anybody's life to take a route where they're homeless, broke, all of their loved ones have been raped and murdered, etc.
16:06.32GhelaeThat's horrifying enough on its own.
16:06.59MonetHachiman: We discover though Ace RImmer that in all the known multiverse, there is no RImmer as spineless and insuffferable as Prime Rimmer.
16:07.58MonetALso that sounds like how the whashisname Sim jusged people
16:09.01MonetHe travelled though time erasing the most worthless instances of a perticular person and replacing them with the results of one of the sper mthat didn't make it first.
16:09.56HachimanGhelae: Alright, well let us say that we disclude circumstances that could otherwise not be prevented such as rape and murder and such and say that all the alternate universes that are being viewed are influenced more by the choices you made rather than random circumstance
16:10.36OluapPlayerWhat is this hyperintellectual nonsense
16:10.39OluapPlayerur confusin me
16:10.59GhelaeDoes falling into vicious cycles of addition such as, say, gambling, alcohol, drugs, etc. count as being "influened more by the choices you made rather than random circumstance"?
16:11.04Ghelaeaddiction*
16:11.09HachimanI would say so
16:13.08HachimanA more enlightening argument I suppose would be for a person who has led an otherwise questionable quality of life to observe the amount of possible alternate universes that stem from choice and discover that the universe they reside in is not the worst case
16:14.20GhelaeShowing somebody who's broke and extremely unhealthy from years of drug use how their life choices have been the worst ones they could possibly have might be horrifying enough to convice them to change... some of them, at least.
16:16.15Wormy_Well this was interesting http://io9.com/what-happens-when-you-get-the-wrong-blood-type-1696686395
16:19.32Wormy_Cyrannian: lol
16:22.19HachimanAlso, somewhat off-topic
16:22.35HachimanThe first clear picture of Pluto was taken today by the New Horizons probe
16:22.45HachimanPluto has a giant heart on it hur
16:22.56MonetWe know. But its okay.
16:23.03OluapPlayerI mentioned it in public chat but got ignored
16:23.13OluapPlayerNo one has any affection for Pluto here
16:23.24MonetWormy beat you two to it.
16:23.45OluapPlayerfuk u wiggly
16:24.02HachimanI wonder what it would be like to stand on Pluto
16:24.07Wormy_Oluap:  Me, Liquid Ink and Monet had been on it for ages
16:24.16OluapPlayerLike standing on rocks
16:24.25OluapPlayerExcept you'd freeze to death so fast you wouldn't feel anything
16:24.44Wormy_Hachiman, Monet:  Also according to my starmap app, Pluto is right below out feet in the Southern Hemisphere
16:24.59Wormy_So we are metaphorically standing on it
16:25.08HachimanMore like standing over it hur
16:25.20Wormy_Don't ruin it!
16:25.24OluapPlayerPluto is literally <3
16:26.03Wormy_Speaking of apps, there's a NASA app which tells you the time of day (evening) to take a photograph, where the light corresponds to Pluto light
16:27.58Wormy_I made this as well toi show the distance at the probe;s closest approach http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Pluto_now.jpg
16:28.23Wormy_If you was on it Pluto would be about that size
16:28.53Wormy_Give or take corrections on diameter
16:29.42HachimanSo I am guessing New Horizons will follow Voyager into extrasolar space?
16:30.17Wormy_New Horizons may go on to explore other nearby objects in the Kuiper Belt, if it can reach any.
16:30.55HachimanI do kind of wonder how Voyager is doing out there
16:30.57OluapPlayerWe got to see Ceres and Pluto
16:31.01OluapPlayerMakemake mission when
16:31.07HachimanAye
16:31.18Wormy_Really, think of Pluto as a stepping stone into the true wilderness of the Solar System, the Kuiper Belt, the Oort Cloud (which won't be reached for thousands of years)
16:32.02OluapPlayerStill it's really cool to finally learn how Pluto looks like
16:32.02MonetVoyager has crossed the barrier into interstellar space.
16:32.14OluapPlayerAdmittedly it looks nothing like I imagined
16:32.19OluapPlayerI always expected it to be blue
16:32.26HachimanI always imagined Pluto as being blue
16:32.36OluapPlayerstop copyin me pls
16:32.41Hachimanfug
16:32.59Wormy_The Voyager probes are still sending back data, like what Monet said, it seems to be in interstellar conditions (it's still well within the solar system however)
16:33.02MonetThe super-duper-low-res pictures always showed it ot be a whitish to light brown though.
16:33.10Technobliteratormeh pluto's not even a planet
16:33.14Technobliteratorso who cares about pluto
16:33.21OluapPlayerConsider suicide
16:33.24HachimanFuck off
16:33.29MonetDunt u mock Pluto
16:33.30Wormy_I thought Pluto would be bluish-purple
16:33.45OluapPlayerhe is a good dog
16:33.50Wormy_Pluto loves you.  He is your Lord and Saviour!
16:34.01OluapPlayerHe loves us so much he has a heart carved on his surface
16:34.10HachimanPluto literally sends you <3 and you reject it
16:34.15Wormy_A pinkish heart
16:34.18MonetI wonder if photovoltaic cells still  work effectively in the interstellar medium.
16:35.19OluapPlayerVoyager 1 will remain for 10 more years
16:35.26OluapPlayerremain active that is
16:35.29Wormy_Good
16:35.43Wormy_There are also the Pioneer probes
16:35.45OluapPlayer"Voyager 1's mission is expected to continue until around 2025, when its radioisotope thermoelectric generators will no longer supply enough electric power to operate any of its scientific instruments."
16:35.54Wormy_But they stopped working
16:36.14MonetR.I.P Pioneer 1 and 2
16:36.35HachimanImagine if we sent out probes and craft empowered by nuclear or hydrogen energy
16:36.59OluapPlayerSPACE NUKES
16:37.00Wormy_I find it romantic that the Voyager and Pioneer probes will likely journey the cosmos for a trillion years before they fall apart
16:37.28Wormy_Unless future rich humans collect them for museum pieces
16:37.36MonetHachiman: radioisotope thermoelectric generator are used because of their comparatively extreme longevity.
16:37.56HachimanIf I recall something that Ghelae once said, one of the reasons why it takes our current craft such long expanses of time to travel across space is due to the resources we use for them
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16:38.12HachimanIf we switched to nuclear / hydrogen energy, we could allow for faster travel
16:38.18MonetALso technically radioisotope generators *are* nuclear generators.
16:38.22OluapPlayerI talked about space nukes in the IRC once so yes, we've had this discussion before
16:38.53Wormy_There is the possibility of Bussard Ramjets which could travel close to the speed of light
16:39.02GhelaeChemical fuels are less energy-dense than nuclear ones, is the problem.
16:39.06OluapPlayerUsing nuclear bombs to propel a spaceship we could apparently get to Alpha Centauri in a span of a generation or two
16:39.34GhelaeRadioisoptope power sources *are* nuclear in origin, but they don't get as much energy out of the nuclei as fission or fusion do.
16:39.42Ghelaeradioisotope*
16:39.57MonetTrue
16:39.57HachimanGeneration ships appear to be our future
16:40.06MonetThey're a form of passive nuclear energy
16:40.21Wormy_Carl Sagan on fission rockets, fusion-powered ships and bussard ramjets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGE-WRqgPRE
16:40.43HachimanOr at least, generation ships are our future if we cannot figure out the method to suspended animation
16:40.53OluapPlayerGandhi was merely trying to send us to space the hard way
16:41.01GhelaeAlthough even with some kind of super-dense power source, you'd need to limit your acceleration to as much as humans can withstand (depending on how good your inertial damping systems are).
16:41.14OluapPlayerOUR SPACESHIPS ARE BACKED BY NUCLEAR WEAPONS
16:41.56Wormy_Fast interstellar flight is possible within a generation or two, said ships if they can reach appreciable levels of the speed of light.  The travellers just aren't coming home in the lifetime of people at home.
16:42.33MonetOne of the main problems with a ship that goes fast is you need to expend an equal amount of energy to slow down.
16:42.43OluapPlayerFIRE NUKES IN FRONT OF IT
16:43.05HachimanIt must be difficult for future astronauts, such as interplanetary settlers, to cope with the idea of never being able to return to Earth and meet with their families again
16:43.09Wormy_You have to turn your ship the other way to decelerate, and it does increase travel time.
16:43.55Wormy_Its been suggested that you either send entire families, or send people with no family or chance on Earth
16:44.10GhelaeIf you want to colonise another planet you're going to want to reproduce. So settlers at least will almost certainly travel with their families (at least spouses and children, if not parents and siblings).
16:44.25OluapPlayerUnrelated but I just found out about this bird http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_640x430/public/actual-header.png
16:44.28OluapPlayerbearded vulture
16:44.32OluapPlayerIt looks so cool hur
16:44.43HachimanThose fucking eyes
16:44.47OluapPlayerhttp://i.ytimg.com/vi/EH3w8O_8XRo/maxresdefault.jpg
16:44.57Wormy_Looks like a Therapod dinosaur, though I guess it is one.
16:45.10HachimanThey are like modern raptors hur
16:45.19OluapPlayerIt's like a movie villain
16:45.42Wormy_Raptors which can catch others out of the sky and tear them to pieces
16:45.50Wormy_in flight
16:45.52OluapPlayerhttp://www.praha.eu/public/7b/41/29/714054_24811_orlosupy_zoo_hlava.jpg they can look retarded though
16:45.55OluapPlayer"BWAAH"
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16:46.17Ghelae"Raptor" does refer to birds of prey.
16:46.48OluapPlayerIt does look like a mean-faced velociraptor
16:46.57OluapPlayerThat's probably why I took a liking for it hur
16:47.04CyraBot2009<3 bae
16:47.09OluapPlayerhur
16:47.35OluapPlayergo write war of caprica pls
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16:47.51Wormy_On space travel though, I'm not too bothered by interstellar travel yet.  What a fantastic solar system we live in!  I would live on a moon of Saturn
16:48.36OluapPlayerI hear Jupiter emits an obnoxious amount of radiation so attempting to live in any of its moons would end in space cancer
16:48.40OluapPlayerWould Saturn be any better?
16:49.23Wormy_Not much, but part of Jupiter's strong ionosphere is supplied by Ioi
16:49.29CyraBotSaturn is my personal favourite.
16:49.51HachimanDoes this mean that the potential for life on Europa is potentially squandered by the amount of radiation produced by Jupiter?
16:49.52Wormy_But I think that one day we might be able to shield against radiation better
16:50.03OluapPlayerI find Jupiter rather unnerving to be honest
16:50.07Wormy_The ice should protect Europa
16:50.23HachimanI wish we could make contact with the primitive underwater warrior-tribes of Europa
16:50.34Wormy_I know what you mean, it's storms are menacing.
16:50.42OluapPlayerIts gigantic and formless, with ultrastrong winds and weird-coloured clouds
16:51.09HachimanJupiter also eats a lot of the debris that would otherwise make contact with Earth
16:51.14Wormy_I don't, the only way into Europa is by drilling down with a nuclear heated missile, they will think we are declaring interplanetary war!
16:51.32OluapPlayerThe thought of waking up in the morning and looking up to see the Great Red Spot staring back at me is terrifying
16:52.08HachimanThe Great Red Spot is almost like some kind of formless Lovecraftian horror
16:52.16CyraBotI think the sky would look amazing on one of the Jovian moons
16:52.25OluapPlayerI suppose it's a similar fear to the deep sea
16:52.29Wormy_Of course, it could be a giant Qax
16:52.43HachimanOr a Qax colony
16:52.46OluapPlayerHuge unknown space which is arguably difficult to give a form
16:53.08OluapPlayerSaturn would probably look beautiful though
16:53.29HachimanI still find it difficult to really comprehend what the Qax "are" even though they are, arguably, a secondary species in the Xeelee Sequence
16:53.33CyraBotAye
16:54.36HachimanThe Photino Birds and the Xeelee are less difficult to understand in regards to what they "are" than the Qax to me
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16:55.05GhelaeHello.
16:55.09OluapPlayerspu
16:55.15Xhou
16:55.28HachimanHai
16:56.22Wormy_There is also the Saturn Hegaxon, which I find strange.
16:56.47OluapPlayeryeah that's another creepy-looking thing
16:56.51HachimanWormy_: If we were to drill cavities into Europa's surface, would we risk exposing whatever life that resides beneath the ice to the radiation emitted from Jupiter?
16:57.11OluapPlayerThere's a vortex at its center
16:57.49Wormy_The Qax have quite normal biolofgy in the way that they are made up of chemicals, but regulated by turbulent forces rather than membranes
16:58.12Hachimanhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Rotatingsaturnhexagon.gif It hungers
16:58.21Wormy_Hachi:  No, I suspect the hole which seal itself, which is a problem for staying in contact with the probe
16:58.30OluapPlayer>yfw we destroy Europa's entire biosphere by exposing it to space cancer
16:59.47Wormy_On Europa and Enceladus (and similar worlds) there is evidence of fissures which open and then freeze.  It opens the possibility of fossil hunting near the fissures and geysers.
16:59.50GhelaeThe hole made in the ice wouldn't be very large, so it wouldn't expose much of the hydrosphere to increased radiation, and then the water would work as a radiation shield so further beneath the surface it wouldn't make a difference anyway.
17:00.32HachimanI suppose that is fair enough
17:02.20OluapPlayerhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Solarsystem3DJupiter.gif this gif makes Earth look like a rabid hyperactive kid
17:02.46MonetOluapPLayer: Imagine Mercury
17:02.53Monet1 Mercurian year = 88 days
17:03.01OluapPlayerMercury - I CANT STOOOOOOOOOOP
17:03.24Hachimanolol
17:03.38MonetMercury is the Solar System's equivilent ot a hyperactive Kermit the Frog.
17:04.01Wormy_Mercury is frustrated because the Sun will devour him one day, but he cannot escape so runs in circles
17:04.08OluapPlayerhoh
17:04.33OluapPlayerMercury - CANT CATCH ME IF IM FAST ENOUGH              Sun - just u want a few billion years whippersnapper
17:05.41OluapPlayerOne thing I always found curious in space was Venus' rotation
17:05.48OluapPlayerIt rotates backwards and 1 Venus day is equal to 243 Earth days
17:06.01HachimanI was about to question whether dinosaurs would have established advanced interplanetary travel by this point although I then remembered the discussion about how dinosaurs probably would not have developed complex technologies if they developed sapience at all
17:07.29OluapPlayerA Venus year is 224 Earth days so it literally has less than a day per year
17:09.15Wormy_It is predicted there is a 1% chance of Mercury's orbit becoming unstable because of Jupiter, and either being ejected from the solar system or colliding with Venus or Earth.
17:10.10OluapPlayerJupiter - get off my lawn shithead *fling*
17:10.52Wormy_http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/will-mercury-hit-earth-someday/
17:11.07Wormy_More like Jupiter plays bowling
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17:11.43LuxorPLAnd... hey again.
17:11.56Wormy_It is thought that Jupiter may have flung planets Uranus and Neptune into their present positions.  He is such a bossy thing
17:11.57LuxorPLIs anyone online?
17:12.02Wormy_Hi
17:12.03LuxorPLOh, hey worm
17:12.09LuxorPLI noticed your pic on spore wiki
17:12.28Wormy_We've been active most of the day.  You need to give IRC more time to wait hur
17:12.33HachimanBest we stay on Jupiter's good side then
17:12.38OluapPlayerJupiter is the arrogant older brother
17:12.54OluapPlayerHe bullies the smaller ones when daddy Sun is not looking
17:12.58LuxorPLThough in space engine these ice 'spiders' on Pluto should be removed...
17:13.07Wormy_indeed
17:13.11LuxorPLAnd guys, what do you think of New Horizons program?
17:13.17LuxorPLI got pretty excited about it last month.
17:13.29Wormy_I could probably photoshop Pluto in
17:13.31HachimanI am in support of any space-oriented program
17:13.53LuxorPLSpazz engine is best anyway.
17:14.00HachimanOluapPlayer: Did you know that planets make noise?
17:14.05Wormy_Had a good time watching NASA live
17:14.09OluapPlayerEh
17:14.13HachimanThey sound rather ominous
17:14.14OluapPlayerNo
17:14.20OluapPlayerElaborate
17:14.50OluapPlayerActually no, I remember listening to Jupiter sounds before
17:15.00OluapPlayerBut I never looked hard into it nor I knew other planets also emitted noises
17:15.37Wormy_Earth produces "chirps", though its not really sound waves
17:15.39Hachimanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwnpXll_A_E This is what Neptune sounds like
17:15.59OluapPlayerEarth - BOK BOK BOK BOK
17:16.10Hachimanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xpR4hyPSlE Pluto sounds even more ominous
17:16.17HachimanCertainly does not sound like <3
17:16.31OluapPlayerWhat exactly creates these sounds?
17:16.43OluapPlayerNeptune sounds like ambient music you give to a cave in a horror game
17:16.59Wormy_Electromagnetic phenomena converted to sound I think
17:17.03Wormy_That being said sound in the form of pressure waves can move very slowly through the medium of interstellar space, and its effects can be seen
17:17.06HachimanAs far as I can tell, interaction between electromagnetic phenomena and solar winds
17:17.16LuxorPLThat's not a sound, just alien activity - normal in outer celestial bodies of sol system.
17:17.31LuxorPLWhat, didnt you hear 'bout roosevelt?
17:17.36HachimanAlthough, like with colours in NASA photographs, a lot of the sounds are more manufactured
17:17.41OluapPlayeraliens pls go we saw the Sun first
17:17.46LuxorPLnope
17:17.51LuxorPLTHEY ARE HERE
17:18.27LuxorPLWormy, back to the topic of minerals and their descriptions on wiki, I think we should sort them by their type, and then into tabbers.
17:18.30OluapPlayerI can see Pluto's sounds being in a sci-fi game
17:18.39Hachimanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIZPpLbYPzU Venus is really rather scary
17:18.40OluapPlayerAncient precursor facility, with these sounds
17:18.56Wormy_Yeah that makes sense.
17:18.57LuxorPLWhat means every mineral needs to get classification in Igneous, Sedimentary or metamorphic.
17:19.09LuxorPLSo we'll have problems with things like grinnon, which saves energy.
17:19.16LuxorPLBut it would rather be an igneous one.
17:19.26OluapPlayery venus blue in the pic
17:19.39Wormy_No, I'd arrange them by mineralogy groups
17:19.49LuxorPLWell, you know these things better than I do.
17:20.00OluapPlayerAlso these obvious text-to-speak lines kinda kill the mood
17:20.27OluapPlayerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fqE01YYWs these are the Jupiter sounds I heard before
17:20.29Wormy_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral#Mineral_classes
17:20.53Wormy_Although I think it might actually be better to arrange them by ores
17:21.03LuxorPLI've just found some mars sounds, propably alien activity
17:21.05LuxorPLhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr9O0uR4-Kw
17:21.13Wormy_Because then we can list their origin and locale better
17:21.16LuxorPLAh those aliens
17:21.31Wormy_Sorry I didn't mean "No" in a harsh way
17:21.53LuxorPLNp, though I've thought about a standard construction metal able to replace the steel or iron.
17:22.01Wormy_And associate minerals with ore type?
17:22.04LuxorPLFerrite - a quite rare mix of silicon and ferrum.
17:22.22LuxorPLWormy, it's your decision, I really dont understand much of these, since I'm not english at all.
17:22.39LuxorPLIn fact I can barely understand these classes even on Polish versions of those pages.
17:22.52LuxorPLAnd guys, what do you think about these mars sounds?
17:23.04Wormy_What it comes down to really, is what is easier for users to use and understand
17:23.22Wormy_And easier to organise I guess
17:23.32LuxorPLI think second thing is more important
17:23.44LuxorPLNobody would understand anything if everything would be a mess.
17:23.52LuxorPLDouble negation...
17:24.55Wormy_I think this would be a useful solution, because it allows us to think of locations and amounts oif the resource and whatnot, although we could also include the mineralogy database set on a different page that links back to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ore#Classification
17:26.07Wormy_Though don't mind me, I might be make it excessively more complex than it needs to be
17:26.19LuxorPLI've just found Polish version of this wikipedia page
17:26.28LuxorPLThese types are puncted in 5 dots
17:26.37LuxorPLEvery taking less than half line of a text
17:26.49LuxorPLI started to understand why I use english versions of everything...
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17:27.38HachimanI suddenly do not wanna listen to the sounds planet make anymore
17:27.55OluapPlayerWhy not?
17:27.58HachimanThe video of the sound of Venus glitched on my laptop
17:28.05OluapPlayerOh that hur
17:28.05HachimanIt was horrifying
17:28.11OluapPlayerI listened to the Earth sounds
17:28.20LuxorPLOr, what if we sort them not by geology, but just basic thinking? I'd propose using terms such as a 'crystal', 'metal', 'igneous/sedimentary/metamorphic rock', etc.
17:28.21OluapPlayerIt sounded like the sea, fittingly enough
17:28.46LuxorPLIt'll be simple and easy to understand, as well easy to sort.
17:29.58Wormy_The problem is that while its simpler for people who wouldn't use it often, vague classification becomes confusing when you want to use it properly.  I think what you mean by metal, are the Native Elements, which come in crystals
17:30.08Hachimanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_97jGrgKd8 The Sun sounds like a god
17:30.21LuxorPLYeah, metals need further classifications
17:30.40GhelaeA simple problem with intuitive rather than technical classifications is the cases that fit into multiple categories.
17:30.41LuxorPLI'd say sth like 'elemental' and 'synthetic'-consisting of multiple elements
17:30.59GhelaeThe word you're looking for there is "compound".
17:31.03LuxorPLOh right.
17:31.31OluapPlayerOh fuck
17:31.38OluapPlayerIt actually does
17:31.40LuxorPLI'd like to find a solution today, though it will be tough to do
17:32.05GhelaeAlthough as a general rule introducing new elements into fiction causes a major failure of my willing suspension of disbelief, so unless we list a load of real-world elements most of our entries will be compounds.
17:32.10Wormy_Hach:  Okay Vemnus one is scary.  I recall from a documentary that sounds from Venus are partly caused by lightning in the atmosphere, which makes it all the more sinister
17:32.25HachimanThat is the sound of a coronal mass ejection and its aftermath slowed down
17:32.36HachimanLiterally the sound of the wrath of the Sun
17:33.07OluapPlayerThis whole thing gives me ideas for the Corruptus Overworlds hur
17:33.07MonetOr just the Sun farting.
17:33.15LuxorPLSo we could also just create finite list of minerals, having broad application, though it would lock many people from creating their ones
17:33.17HachimanThese planetary voices all have rather Lovecraftian properties to them
17:33.22LuxorPLIt would work just like the galaxies
17:33.42LuxorPLYou'd better click this link to the Mars sounds
17:33.45HachimanOf course these sounds cannot actually be heard in space, this is audio converted from electromagnetic phenomena
17:33.55Wormy_Listening to them could make you mad
17:33.59OluapPlayerI'm aware
17:35.01GhelaeCurrently our list of fictional minerals isn't long enough for it to be clear how they should be best classified.
17:35.09OluapPlayerI can imagine approaching Corruptus Overworlds causing sounds to be heard inside of spaceships which would be the demon's equivalent of breathing
17:35.15HachimanOhgod
17:35.20HachimanThat sounds fucking horrifying
17:35.30Wormy_What I think we could have is two pages:  One for ores and resources, extraction/processing and economics.  The ores could be broad categories which describe where they are commonly found.  Then a mineral database similar to existing classification, but with simple explanation, that links back to ore types.
17:36.01OluapPlayerConsidering they emit entropic auras these sounds could probably be heard in the space around them as well as the surface
17:36.08MonetLuxorPL: I'm more in favour of lists of common non-Earth or artificial compounds. THe problem in the present day  with introducing new elements is that roughly all known and plasusable speculated elements are already listed on the periodic table.
17:36.43MonetAnd I approve of Wormy's idea of extraction, processing and economics
17:36.54GhelaeI also approve.
17:37.12HachimanSpace, much like the ocean, is a rather horrifying place
17:37.15OluapPlayerWhen the teams go to destroy the Overworlds they definitely need to take hearing protection, I can't imagine what one would look like if it actively tried to roar
17:37.22Wormy_Resource classification is not too complicated either
17:37.27OluapPlayersound like rather
17:37.34Xho"Not too well" - Kithworto
17:37.34MonetThe thing about processing and economics is that metals that are rare now might be ocmmon enough for mass use in the future.
17:37.54LuxorPLSo we're on the half-way point
17:38.01LuxorPLAll to do is to finish the discussion today
17:38.10LuxorPLSo we could get to job tomorrow.
17:38.23LuxorPLBut still the problem would be pics of resources itself
17:38.29Monet130 years ago no one could have imagined that platinum could be used as a catalyst for carbon scrubbing.
17:38.42GhelaeIt's 18:36 here. Even if we want to finish before sunset it's not like we're in a rush.
17:38.52HachimanI get reminded of the dialogue exchange between Eliphas the Inheritor and Shas'o Kais in DoW: Dark Crusade hur
17:38.55LuxorPL19:36 in Poland.
17:38.56LuxorPL:>
17:38.59GhelaeMost people who are currently here will probably still be here close to midnight.
17:39.02GhelaeOr past midnight, for you.
17:39.07LuxorPLWell, yeah.
17:39.32HachimanEliphas attempts to taunt Shas'o through his comms and all Shas'o can register is audible irritations
17:39.39Wormy_I sometimes here till the early hours.
17:39.46OluapPlayerShame I wasn't aware of planet sounds back when Vorius was still alive
17:39.51Wormy_Then I will sleep till lunchtime
17:39.59OluapPlayerI could've made the World of Corpses emit pained screaming sounds through ship comms
17:40.17Wormy_But not today.  I got up for Pluto today.
17:40.18HachimanThe OST for Giygas reminds me of planet sounds
17:40.30HachimanWhich is fitting realy
17:40.50OluapPlayerWell he's essentially Azathoth
17:40.58OluapPlayerSo he's even bigger than a planet in scale hur
17:41.10GhelaeWe could, perhaps, classify minerals by their main practical applications.
17:41.28Wormy_Hachi, Luxor:  Earth sounds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8-3dsEQ3_I
17:41.45LuxorPLIts pig
17:41.57LuxorPLNot earth doo
17:41.57OluapPlayerHachiman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkZkN7uSZfk have dis
17:42.43HachimanThat sounds much less impressive hur
17:42.53Wormy_without commentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eez3juhJxA
17:43.02OluapPlayerIt sounds like a nightmare
17:43.15LuxorPLI've just found the dark side of yt
17:44.25MonetFirst time?
17:44.40Wormy_Its a downward spiral from now on.
17:45.05HachimanIt has suddenly struck me just how horrifying the implications of magic and psychic powers are in the SporeWiki universe
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17:45.37Wormy_Well, they are the most powerful elements in it.
17:45.46MonetHachiman: Took your time heh.
17:45.52OluapPlayerElaborate dis
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17:46.24HachimanConsider that not all beings with Essence potential are featured in the limelight
17:46.45HachimanThere are people with Essence powers living in normal society that do not know how to handle them or are abusing them
17:47.13LuxorPLOkay, we already have many ideas of resorce sort methods, though how the hell should we illustrate them at all? Will we use google or get somes by pencils?
17:47.24HachimanAnd the prominence of Essence itself seems to be on a rise
17:47.53Wormy_I have a big mineral collection.  I could lend a hand, I guess
17:47.54OluapPlayerI imagined essence prominence diminishing after Tantum ended
17:48.04HachimanEssence itself is a very difficult thing to understand to the average, unenlightened mind
17:48.19MonetIts something that the police of the various empires might have to learn how to deal with
17:48.24LuxorPLHentai-man
17:48.24Wormy_Though I'm not sure if photographs may look right since I'd need a wide angle lens and whatnot
17:48.37LuxorPLI think photos arent a good idea
17:48.50HachimanWell yeah you have a point, Essence just seemed to spike in the mid to late-2700s
17:48.58LuxorPLWhole wiki is based on ingame spore images (not including my planets from spc eng)
17:48.59HachimanAnd now it is on a decline I believe
17:49.10LuxorPLSo we should get them to look cartony, I guess.
17:49.15LuxorPLoo*
17:49.38Wormy_We can't rip them from the internet, its against Wikia polivies and copyright.  So Spore might have to be it
17:49.56LuxorPLOr we can create some in Ps, Paint-net, or GIMP.
17:50.04GhelaeAnsite - http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Andasium - is a mineral that's illustrated photographically.
17:50.19OluapPlayerI did mention the Bonio naturally possess affinity with dream energy because of the Vida'Rra origin
17:50.31LuxorPLYeah, but at down left you have real-life photo, and top-right you have spore spacship...
17:50.37OluapPlayerChances are essence-powered Bonio caused much mayhem in their ancient history
17:50.44HachimanAye
17:50.57OluapPlayerBut it died out after they became spacefaring
17:51.07OluapPlayerThere are no known Bonio essence users today other than Herquie
17:51.17MonetNot every empire has the luxury of being ignorant of essence until the mid-late 2700s
17:51.32HachimanDescension in Zazane became far more prominent following Tyraz' own Descension after an absence of it for around a couple of centuries/millennia
17:51.43Wormy_The problem is again, of realism.  Few ore-grade minerals look very pretty.
17:51.54MonetSome empires, like the Divinarium and the DI, have known about essence for millennia.
17:52.07LuxorPLWell, thats why illustrating resources is as hard as sorting them.
17:52.24LuxorPLI'd say we should make their pics in spore, just from creature creator
17:52.33LuxorPLYou add some spikes/crystals/hair, etc
17:52.39LuxorPLand you have pretty-nice looking mineral.
17:53.01HachimanYeah but not every civilisation is as old and enlightened as the DI or Divinarium
17:53.09HachimanThere are countless younger states
17:53.22MonetI agree
17:53.56MonetPerhaps for a number of these yougner states it was as esoteric as Ki?
17:54.01HachimanYeah
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17:54.38HachimanConsider the idea behind psykers in the WH40K universe
17:55.05Wormy_The DCP believes essence is a physical process where consciousness is anchored to hyperspace
17:55.23HachimanThey are capable of defying the otherwise established laws of physics and reality and have connections to planes that should otherwise not be connected to
17:55.27OluapPlayer_Dolgan was probably the first Borealis Zazane to achieve a Demon Form in thousands of years
17:55.59OluapPlayer_I wouldn't call Khortaavis fully descended so I don't count him
17:56.24Wormy_Actually, I might have a solution.
17:56.26HachimanAnd just because elemental Essence is not an outright malignant Essence does not mean that it is exclusive to those who are good or neutral
17:57.05Wormy_If we go with Ghel's idea of organising minerals via practical application, at least some images could be of constructed objects.
17:57.08OluapPlayer_Well no, Geltastra is an evil Radeon and she can use elemental energy
17:57.13MonetI've always been of the school of thought that anyone is open to harnessing Elemental Essence. The willingness ot harness it however, is what makes it rarer
17:57.14OluapPlayer_Mostly because she's a Radeon
17:57.58LuxorPLWe'll have a loooooot of smaller lists of minerals via application, so we'd propably need groups and subgroups.
17:58.10LuxorPLLike minerals capable of holding energy.
17:58.22OluapPlayer_Makes me wish 'entropic' was not such a hardcoded name into the setting otherwise I'd rename the essence
17:58.25LuxorPLIt's very important which type of energy it can hold.
17:58.28OluapPlayer_Because it has nothing to do with actual entropy
17:58.32dino82_that is odd
17:58.36OluapPlayer_I don't even understand the concept of entropy
17:58.37dino82_the wikia doesnt'allow me to make a vehicle page
17:59.12HachimanIt is a pretty horrifying revelation that psykers are on the rise in human societies in WH40K and that, eventually, humanity's endgame is to become something like the Eldar, except that their psychic powers are far less refines or precise and serve more like a shotgun
17:59.21HachimanBy comparison to the Eldar's sniper rifle
17:59.36Hachimanrefined even
17:59.56MonetLuxorPL: I'm not so sure it is. Since the various forms of energy are expressions of how it is used, not hardlien catergories of energy
18:00.48MonetChemical energy is the go-to for "stored" energy.
18:01.04GhelaeOluapPlayer_: I'd suggest getting a bot to edit all occurances of "entropy" and "entropic", but then that would change all uses of the scientific meaning of those words too.
18:01.35OluapPlayer_Yes, it'd cause too much hassle
18:01.38MonetGhelae: Is the bot case-sensetive?
18:01.50GhelaeI don't know.
18:02.05OluapPlayer_I remember a time Jo's bot fucked up and replaced all instances of "war" to "infobox infobox war"
18:02.07Wormy_Also this concept of energy is more like the ether, or even essence for that matter.  The image of an all present medium which can collect or void in places.
18:02.16Hachimanolol
18:02.24GhelaeJo and Cyr would be better to ask about how the bot works.
18:02.35MonetI've noticed that most cases where entropic energy is menioned, "Entropic" is capitalised.
18:02.44LuxorPLCyrannus could be helpful with all those things...
18:02.44OluapPlayer_Not always
18:02.47GhelaeWe recently found that Jo's bot had attached the 2nd Year of the GCW three times in a row.
18:02.53Ghelaeattacked*
18:02.58CyraBotIt is case sensitive
18:03.09GhelaeThe page was filled with "infobox infobox infobox infobox infobox infobox war".
18:03.13LuxorPLI'm leaving for now, I'll show up again next hour.
18:03.14OluapPlayer_olol
18:03.15LuxorPLcya!
18:03.16Wormy_I'd think it is from a guess, since the language it is based on is.
18:03.20Wormy_bye
18:04.11OluapPlayer_I've used lower case to refer to entropic energy many times
18:04.41MonetOlaupPlayer: Well the scientific defenition of entropy is that its a measure of disorder in a system.
18:04.58MonetA pile of sand for instance, has more entropy than a sandcastle.
18:05.23XhoSantorakh - u want entropy                  cheese jewellery
18:05.28OluapPlayer_I've looked into the definition of it more than once and every time I couldn't understand a thing
18:05.36MonetAh
18:06.31GhelaeThe entropy of a state is sort of a measure of how probable it is for that state to form randomly. So using the sand example, throwing a load of sand on the floor is a lot more likely to result in a pile of sand than a sandcastle. So the pile has a higher entropy.
18:07.44MonetOne way of putting it the simpler a state of something like matter is  = higher entropy it has.
18:07.47GhelaeYou might struggle to understand is if you look at what exactly that measure is, which is when you end up going into mathematical formulae.
18:07.48OluapPlayer_Whatever it is, still has nothing to do with nightmares and soul eating
18:08.00GhelaeAbsolutely nothing to do with nightmares and soul eating whatsoever. :P
18:08.02OluapPlayer_>mathematical formulae
18:08.05OluapPlayer_This kills the Oluap
18:08.06MonetWell entropy is relevant when it comes to decay.
18:08.52MonetSo the habit of entropic demons to eat stuff does make sense in regards to entropy.
18:09.09MonetEat or deconstitute, either works.
18:09.29OluapPlayer_My only hope is that we eventually make a Sporewiki game where I can rename it to Nightmare Energy or something like that
18:10.07MonetI've been fine with "entropic" because in my mind then ame is not fully wrong.
18:10.35MonetAnd if we look at soul destroying, the act of rendering a soul into nothingness is potentially a form of entropy.
18:10.36OluapPlayer_Imp created the energy and later gave it to me so it's not entirely my fault
18:11.05OluapPlayer_I assume he called it that because Chaos Energy was already a thing and entropy-chaos-disorder
18:11.38GhelaeIIRC, yes.
18:12.09GhelaeHe also originally called it Chaos Energy, but then Xho was obviously unimpressed by the choice of name.
18:13.01OluapPlayer_Angry selfish mann even back then hurhurhur
18:13.06Xhoyeh
18:13.38OluapPlayer_Fast forward now and it's probably the closest essence to Chaos out of all not created by Xho himself
18:13.41OluapPlayer_So jokes on u
18:13.45HachimanI do not think there is really anything wrong with the name myself
18:14.12HachimanIf I recall, entropy has something significant to do with the eventual death of the universe
18:15.08GhelaeAs particles move around, they move into more probable arrangements, i.e. the entropy of the universe increases with time.
18:15.23OluapPlayer_I think the universe would be considered dead if it achieved absolute entropy or something like that
18:15.43Wormy_The entropy of my room is a nightmare and soul-crushing
18:15.50OluapPlayer_olol
18:16.05GhelaeWell, life is like sandcastles and an empty universe of cold gas is like a pile of sand.
18:16.18GhelaeTo carry on the example from earlier.
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18:17.44GhelaeAnything that does anything needs to be arranged in a particular way to do its job. There are more ways of arranging particles into matter that doesn't do anything - sand piles - than complicated structures that can serve a purpose - sandcastles.
18:17.48MonetSO yeah, a universe of total entropy is a dead universe.
18:18.15GhelaeSo as particles move around and away from their perfect arrangement in a sandcastle, they're more likely to end up in a pile than anything else.
18:20.50HachimanIf I recall, the eventual cold death of the universe
18:20.55GhelaeExactly.
18:21.48HachimanI cannot imagine how life would fare in a cosmic environment afflicted in the process of universal entropy
18:21.55GhelaeCold, because it's easier to go from a situation in which particles have high energy (are warm) to one in which they have low energy which is scattered all across the universe.
18:22.37GhelaeAnd partly due to the geometric effects of expanding spacetime stretching particles' wavelengths, thereby decreasing their energy.
18:24.07MonetENtropic energy has shown to be lethal and insanity-enducing, could that be the result of some form of entropy? The Kikras are a good representation of entropy in action as they are zombies wh oare decaying at an accelerated rate
18:24.43MonetInsanity due ot entropy could be sometihng like the precise workings of a healthy brain literally breaking down perhaps?
18:25.09MonetHigher brain functions tend to have less entropy than lower brain functions
18:25.20HachimanAye
18:25.21OluapPlayer_I guess that's good logic
18:25.52OluapPlayer_Speaking of Kikras
18:25.56OluapPlayer_http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/c/c9/Gynash_Kikra.png/revision/latest?cb=20150710150426 they got eyes now
18:26.18HachimanJesus
18:26.22HachimanI love that design
18:26.40HachimanI am guessing Mahedore commands both normal Gynash Dragons and Kikras then
18:26.57OluapPlayer_Kikras die out in less than a day so probably noit
18:26.59OluapPlayer_not*
18:27.08HachimanBut the Loron'Kikra
18:27.22OluapPlayer_Are artificial creatures created by Kolossus
18:27.46OluapPlayer_An actual Loron being possessed by a Shu'olerthae would be turned into a zombie
18:27.52MonetKikras are shock troops iirc
18:27.56HachimanSo Loron'Kikra are different from normal Kikras then
18:27.58OluapPlayer_Correct
18:28.02OluapPlayer_To both
18:28.15OluapPlayer_The only reason they're called Loron'Kikra is because I didn't think of this back then hur
18:28.16Hachimanrite
18:29.00OluapPlayer_Kikras are under accelerated decomposing so after a few hours following the possession, their bodies probably collapse and they die while the Shu'olerthae leaves to possess someone else
18:29.26HachimanTagutan is pretty lucky to be alive then
18:29.42OluapPlayer_Extremely
18:29.52HachimanI do not think we ever gave a justification as to how Tagutan managed to survive while almost literally no one else did
18:30.04OluapPlayer_I remember back in the Andromeda front of Part 1, I had Draconis Kikras having Eleiethae feeding from their backs while giving them piggyback rides
18:30.16HachimanJesus
18:30.22OluapPlayer_Tagutan was psychic, that was the explanation
18:30.32MonetThere's a lot of flesh on a Draconis'Kikra
18:31.02OluapPlayer_Draconis are pretty big fellows
18:31.03OluapPlayer_http://combineoverwiki.net/wiki/Poison_Zombie I got the idea from these things
18:31.32MonetTHat makes a lot of sense now
18:31.49MonetDraocnis really don't have it nice hwen it comes to zombification
18:32.35MonetThey are either carriers of Eleiethae under the Corruptus or Tanks under the Tabascere.
18:33.04OluapPlayer_Chances are those Eleiethae were also laying eggs inside them but that's a thing they do to all their victims, not just Draconis
18:33.21HachimanI do think I should find means to make Moxix-style zombification different from Corruptus zombification
18:33.52OluapPlayer_The fact Corruptus zombies are not sapient and serve as little more than cannon fodder which only last for about 5 hours or less
18:34.23OluapPlayer_Also all Kikras are the same in terms of abilities. There are not 'types' of Kikra
18:34.30OluapPlayer_no*
18:34.51HachimanI suppose that is fair enough
18:35.35OluapPlayer_The current model of the Fog War doesn't allow me to showcase the Corruptus Demons that well
18:35.45OluapPlayer_Which sucks a bit
18:36.09MonetHachiman: The Tabascere page mentions that there was something about Draconis biology that made them into a distinct form of warrior under the Tabascere
18:36.23OluapPlayer_It was easier back in Part 1 because we had like, 2 factions at most working against the demons
18:36.31OluapPlayer_But now we have a whole allied navy
18:37.13HachimanMonet: Possibly because the majority of Draconis, due to Aetomarchis influence in their ancient past, have at least some diluted signature of Descension
18:37.37MonetHachiman: Good point.
18:37.39OluapPlayer_http://combineoverwiki.net/wiki/Fast_Zombie at least I never made Kikras who act like these
18:37.49OluapPlayer_These things are the bane of my existence in Half-Life
18:37.57Hachimanhur
18:37.57MonetWait... "lays eggs"
18:38.11MonetDam U Oluap for making Chrysalids!
18:38.49OluapPlayer_They scream, they run really fast, leap at you and make angry growling noises every time they slash you with their claws
18:38.54HachimanSo yeah, from what I can see, Moxix and the Shu'olerthae follow differing zombie tropes hur
18:38.54OluapPlayer_Plus the fact they have no fucking flesh
18:39.04OluapPlayer_Skin even
18:39.08OluapPlayer_They have flesh quite clearly
18:41.37HachimanI am thinking to myself that the resurrection of corpses caused by Moxix and his goons could only really happen to cadavers and such that have been afflicted with Descension
18:42.06MonetI stopped playing the original Half Life not long after meeting my first headcrab zombies.
18:42.14OluapPlayer_That's another thing, Shu'olerthae can only possess the living
18:42.35HachimanSo Zazane and a degree of Draconis corpses would resurrect somewhat automatically in the presence of Moxix or his servants
18:42.41OluapPlayer_http://combineoverwiki.net/images/8/8e/Zombie_Scientist.jpg I can see why, look at that face
18:43.00HachimanAlongside people that were killed by them since Descension-afflicted wounds
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18:43.30LuxorHey again.
18:43.34HachimanIf you do not die of Descension-afflicted wounds though you will probably turn zombie anyway
18:43.35LuxorAny new conclusions with the minerals?
18:43.44GhelaeHello. And no, nothing new really.
18:44.03LuxorI guess you're still trying to find good way of sorting them :/
18:44.37MonetHachiman: There were these Zazane-like aliens that looked affiliated with Moxix. Could they have perhaps spread a descention-touched viral agent?
18:44.37HachimanWe have not really been discussing them hur
18:44.37GhelaeNo; classification by usage seems the best idea.
18:44.53GhelaeWe had a disucssion about entropy, and now zombies.
18:45.03LuxorWell, zombies arent any danger at all
18:45.14HachimanDunno, I
18:45.17HachimanFuck
18:45.23LuxorThey just go forward, making no harm...
18:45.26LuxorIt's easy to kill
18:45.31HachimanDunno, I would not really consider those aliens canon anymore
18:45.39LuxorScenarios from for ex. Dying Light are completely false...
18:45.41GhelaeSporeWikiverse ones aren't so harmless.
18:45.53OluapPlayer_Depends of the setting
18:45.55MonetOluapPlayer: Actually it was the fact those things were normal people ten minutes before I first met them.
18:45.57LuxorWell, but these are not zombies, for ex. corruptus
18:46.04LuxorIt's like infestation, like zerg, not zombies.
18:46.10OluapPlayer_Yes that's probably a scary factor
18:46.15HachimanMost of SporeWiki's zombies are Essence/magic-empowered
18:46.17OluapPlayer_http://combineoverwiki.net/images/0/08/Gonome_sprint.jpg hug pls
18:46.28Luxorno plox
18:46.53LuxorOkay, so we'll see how this sorting method will work.
18:46.58MonetBefore I was 17 I used to be terrified of zombies from living people on the basis they used to be perfectly friendly people.
18:47.16LuxorZombies dont care
18:47.17HachimanZombies used to scare me a lot when I was younger
18:47.37LuxorI was more scarred of doom than these anyway
18:47.38HachimanI used to have nightmares of being at home and being attacked by zombified relatives
18:47.45OluapPlayer_One thing Half-Life 2 did well was show not even the enemy aliens were safe from zombification http://combineoverwiki.net/images/d/d4/Zombine.jpg
18:47.55HachimanWhich always seemed to be the most realistic nightmares I had
18:47.57LuxorHave you heard about Mickey Mouse forbidden episode?
18:47.58OluapPlayer_ZOMBIES WITH GRENADES
18:48.16HachimanLuxor: Yes, a shitty Creepypasta
18:48.34LuxorIt was basically a Mickey's dream about Pluto getting ripped by doctor who wanted puppys to hatch out of eggs
18:48.39OluapPlayer_Conveniently, you can use the Gravity Gun to steal the grenade from it and fling it back at the zombies
18:48.42Luxorwait a min...
18:48.59MonetOluapPlayer: WHen I met the ZOmbine I sort-of liked their garbled vocoders
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18:49.09OluapPlayer_Yeah I like them too
18:49.11MonetTHen one jumped out form pitch black and ai pissed myself.
18:49.15LuxorIt seems colors went gone for me
18:49.29OluapPlayer_The Overwatch Soldier is still trying to warn his comrades the area is infested even after he has been zombified
18:49.44GhelaeLuxor: Coloured names? You can access the settins by a button at the top-left-hand corner of the page.
18:49.45HachimanOuch, that sounds sad
18:49.50GhelaeI've never been scared of zombies, but then, I never saw a zombie movie until Shaun of the Dead.
18:49.57Hachimanhur
18:50.02LuxorIt worked.
18:50.06HachimanShaun of the Dead is pretty funny
18:50.14HachimanI love that film
18:50.16OluapPlayer_One thing about Zombines is that they are actually missing nearly all of their skulls
18:50.19LuxorI wonder if you watched Scary Movie 3 with Leslie Nielsen
18:50.23OluapPlayer_The only part still intact is the jaw
18:50.23LuxorHis best film...
18:50.25MonetWell, it is implied that one is still conscious while controlled by a headcrab
18:50.29OluapPlayer_So how exact they are talking is a mystery
18:50.39GhelaeAlthough, if the zombies in question are children wearing gas masks constantly asking "are you my mummy?"...
18:50.49MonetZombines are cyborgs anyway
18:50.53OluapPlayer_True
18:51.04Luxor*ERROR* Black mesa ran out of healthy brains
18:51.06HachimanOh boy, that episode of Doctor Who was a fucking televised nightmare
18:51.11Luxor*Please report to DEATH*
18:51.47OluapPlayer_http://combineoverwiki.net/images/e/ed/VortigauntChef01.jpg and then you learn headcrabs are edible
18:51.53LuxorJupiter covered zombie voices in LfD2
18:52.01LuxorIt was born for it
18:52.55OluapPlayer_"Citizens in Half-Life 2: Episode One comment that "They don't taste like crab.""
18:53.26HachimanThe Zombine sounds are pretty intimidating actually
18:53.54LuxorBack to the topic of resources, when do we start all this work with them? What should be the first task to do?
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18:53.59MonetIts laos armoured due ot wearing Overwatch body armour
18:54.02LuxorWe could add Zombium as infestation mineral
18:54.31OluapPlayer_Yes, it's more resilient than a normal zombie, can sprint and can go ALLAH ACKBAR with a grenade
18:54.31MonetI don't know how a rock could zombify aside from extensive radiation poisoning.
18:54.45XhoALLAHU AKBAR
18:54.53GhelaeYou could start a page, for example http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Project:Fiction_Universe/Important_topics/Resources and then bug Wormy to add a classification to it.
18:54.53OluapPlayer_The only zombie more resilient than the Zombine is the Poison Zombie
18:54.54MonetDon't you mean ALLAHU AHKRAB?
18:54.56HachimanI get reminded of one SCP which is effectively a zombifying crystal
18:55.06OluapPlayer_hur
18:55.14Luxorhttps://www.pinterest.com/pin/205547170468722387/
18:56.14HachimanAnyone who comes in contact with it begins to get crystallined to the point that they become a statue made of crystal before effectively shattering and exploding, launching more infectious crystalline material into the air
18:56.14LuxorThese muslim assh*les
18:56.31LuxorLet's create rainbow resource shining at its owner
18:56.36Luxormindblow
18:57.02MonetHAchiman: SOudns like tiberium on steroids.
18:57.08HachimanYeah
18:57.09Wormy_ALL HAIL THE DIAMONDOID
18:57.27HachimanI cannot remember which SCP it was now
18:57.36Wormy_I've already got a mineral than can influence people
18:57.41LuxorOr, a mineral capable of absorbing 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of light
18:57.51LuxorWormy
18:57.53Luxorwe have:
18:57.53Luxorhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Important_topics/Resources
18:57.55LuxorAnd you
18:57.57Luxorgot to work
18:57.58Luxorfast
18:58.26Wormy_hah hah hah
18:58.31Wormy_fast hah
18:58.35LuxorTiberium basically mutates every living form except Scrins in area.
18:58.42Luxorplox worm
18:58.51GhelaeI said you'd have to bug Wormy.
18:58.53GhelaeI meant it.
18:58.57Luxorworm go
18:59.20HachimanI remember it was used against SCP-682 and while SCP-682 did survive, it claimed that the process hurt like shit and would kill the people involved in the experiment
18:59.22Wormy_Ore page or mineral page?
18:59.39MonetWe seem to mostly avoid magic rocks i nthe fictionverse. Aside from the odd essence crystal.
18:59.44GhelaeYour task, Wormy, is just to add a classification of resources that we can use.
18:59.46LuxorWell it's a basis page for clasification
18:59.59HachimanI feel kinda sorry for SCP-682 since while he is an asshole, he is practically bullied by the Foundation hur
19:00.39LuxorAnd the first resources to add would be these from forum topic.
19:00.43GhelaeI'm going to go and make dinner now, but I'll come back from time to time before I've finished in case a sciency topic comes up that you all need me for.
19:00.50LuxorThe one where you also posted your idea worm
19:00.53GhelaeLike if you start talking about energy again. :P
19:01.26OluapPlayer_682's attitude is a bit justified since they are constantly trying to kill him
19:01.51OluapPlayer_I also like the fact he's terrified of 173 hur
19:03.29LuxorWhat games are your favs, guys?
19:03.38LuxorExcept spore...?
19:04.58HachimanIf I recall, didn't 682 and 173 get put together once to see what would happen?
19:05.46OluapPlayer_Yes
19:05.54LuxorYou'd get 855 hur hur
19:06.12OluapPlayer_682 grew eyes through his entire body and huddled into the corner of the room
19:06.29OluapPlayer_When personnel began shooting his eyes to shut them, he developed a carapace around each to protect them
19:06.35HachimanJesus
19:07.07OluapPlayer_I think 173's hands were covered in blood and flesh before 682 managed to give himself extra eyes
19:07.49OluapPlayer_But still 173 is the only other entity in the facility he's afraid of
19:07.54HachimanI doubt 173 could kill 682 though
19:08.11LuxorI'll show up later on.
19:08.14OluapPlayer_I don't know, considering how terrified he was of it
19:08.45OluapPlayer_I remember one story where 17
19:08.49OluapPlayer_Fuck
19:09.16OluapPlayer_I remember one story where 173 starts multiplying, one part of it had a group of them ganging up on 682 and ripping him apart
19:09.44HachimanOhgod what the fuck
19:09.55HachimanWhere the hell did you read that
19:10.02OluapPlayer_At the SCP site
19:10.17OluapPlayer_Users can write their own stories about the entities
19:10.30OluapPlayer_iirc the story ended with the 173s overruning North America
19:10.35HachimanJesus
19:10.42MonetEnd of world
19:12.25OluapPlayer_http://www.scp-wiki.net/revised-entry found it
19:15.44Hachiman"The only good news is that about 150 of the bastards teamed up and ripped SCP-682 apart. Brought a smile to my face."
19:15.46HachimanJesus
19:16.10MonetHachiman: The impritns left by the Aetomachis could explain how the occupants of the royal crypt were able to wake up.
19:16.20HachimanYeah
19:16.44MonetI can't see anything but a *very* competent infiltrator getting that deep into the palace depths.
19:18.05OluapPlayer_http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-169 SCP also has its own Leviathan
19:18.15MonetBut with all those bodies, and the incredible age of some of the occupants (a lot of whom might have been dust by the modern age), is it possible that some of the ressurected became spectres?
19:19.05MonetThat or it was one of the catalysts for Korr's particular form.
19:19.22HachimanPerhaps
19:19.59Hachiman"SCP-169 is surmised to be a marine arthropod of enormous size, known as the "Leviathan" by generations of sailors and oral history." >arthropod
19:20.10HachimanIt is a giant sea scorpion
19:20.27OluapPlayer_Yes
19:20.52OluapPlayer_A 8000 km long sea scorpion
19:20.59MonetBloody hell
19:21.18OluapPlayer_In the SCP-verse it's the source of the famed Bloop sound
19:21.19MonetHmm, then again given this is the Draconis we're talking about, some of the bodies could ahve been artificially preserved.
19:22.20Hachiman8,000km is around three times the length of the UK
19:22.51MonetDraocnid culture may treat a cadavear as a husk past its use, but that doesn't stop Draconis opting to stave off decay or erect monumental tombs to themselves or their family.
19:23.06HachimanOne must wonder how it manages to survive given its size - there are inevitable downsides to sheer scale hur
19:23.23OluapPlayer_SCP is not realistic
19:23.29OluapPlayer_It has sentient stars
19:24.06Hachimanbrb
19:25.17MonetOluap has a point
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19:26.42LuxorHai egen
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19:27.33dromMonet: I gave up on actual modelling and got this together in Spore instead. http://i.imgur.com/TUCYFus.png
19:27.50dromThere is a lot to do before I can finish it
19:28.33MonetWoah...
19:28.38Monet*really* liking the head
19:28.58MonetThough it does look absolutely tiny in compariso not its body.
19:29.12dromYeah, that's the problem
19:29.24dromI've to resize everything related to the head
19:29.28dromevery single fucking part
19:33.20dromWhich would been easier if it wasn't for the "Ponytail"s' reduant collision mesh
19:37.24dromMonet: How's this? http://i.imgur.com/s9ul5ns.png
19:37.42dromI think it is enough
19:37.47Monetdrom: They look like good sprinters
19:38.02MonetBut yes.
19:38.15MonetThe legs are long but that might be a feature of their biology.
19:38.24MonetDon't want them looking too human do we?
19:38.46HachimanBloody hell those legs
19:38.55dromNah man. I'm all for long legs
19:39.11HachimanI could only really see that physiology being acceptable for creatures that have evolved in low-grav environments
19:41.33dromKeep in mind that even the current model has long legs
19:41.33dromhttp://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/9/98/Nomataridressed.png/revision/latest?cb=20141220003502
19:42.45dromThey *did* have shorter legs before I considered making them longer
19:51.32PastariosOluapPlayer Hachiman: Nothing beats SCP-610 though
19:52.37Wormy_fictionCan  SCP-173 reach through live video feeds like the Weeping Angels?
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19:53.03OluapPlayer_It can't
19:53.15OluapPlayer_It can only kill you if you're next to it
19:56.33dromWormy_fiction: Also, only biological instances of eyes do work on SCP-173. The eyes have also to be connected to a conscious mind.
20:07.57dino82_bye bye!
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20:17.49dromMonetAway: Lotsa of fur http://i.imgur.com/Lj0hlRk.png
20:19.33dromI knew that using invisible bones would be a great idea
20:20.40dromBecause if I use normal blob-based limbs, trying to render/save a creature that has a huge amount of parts will cuase the game to enter a indefinite loop due to the restrictions in the code.
20:26.31XhoSo we're on about SCP now
20:28.37OluapPlayer_Were
20:28.42OluapPlayer_ur late
20:31.15XhoI don't exactly know what SCP even is
20:31.19XhoIs it some kind of fiction site
20:31.36XhoOr is it based off some series I have no clue exists
20:32.16OluapPlayer_Yes, it's a fiction site
20:32.58OluapPlayer_People come up with SCPs and write stories about said SCPs but they have no determined canon and have a VERY strict quality control
20:34.21Xhorite
20:34.27XhoSpeaking of fiction
20:34.44XhoI need to put Mahanaya down on the Borealis map somewhere since its relocation
20:36.45Wormy_fictionXho:  Don't you remember basing a fiction off SCP? If you don't then I'm alarmed.
20:36.51XhoPareidolia
20:37.34Wormy_fictionThen I haven't been SCP'd then
20:40.49OluapPlayer_I didn't know Mahanaya was at Borealis now
20:41.02OluapPlayer_But I suppose it's expected hur
20:41.26OluapPlayer_Also we could have the Borealis States be members of the PCA instead of just allies if you want
20:42.07dromhttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/5/54/Nomatarian.png/revision/latest?cb=20141205215407 or this? http://i.imgur.com/Lj0hlRk.png
20:43.12TekDroidHm... not sure.
20:43.28Wormy_fictionIn other news, perhaps overshadowed is that the LHC has discovered Pentaquarks http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33517492
20:44.20MonetAwayWormy_fiction: I saw that
20:45.06dromDogerios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgm3lb9JUU0
20:51.10Wormy_fictionI haven't even started on the minerals thing yet
20:51.15Wormy_fictionBetter to do it now
21:13.21XhoOluapPlayer_: The Vi'Navitum relocated Mahanaya to Borealis following the Annihilation
21:13.33XhoOr the Mahanayans did it themselves
21:13.35XhoEh I dnno
21:13.37Xhodunno
21:13.59XhoAs for members, could work
21:14.03dromTekDroid MonetAway: Or what about this more detailed legs version? http://i.imgur.com/JyLPZnB.png
21:14.17XhoThough I could imagine the random Hyperborean going "OH GOD MAHANAYANS HELP" sometimes
21:14.49OluapPlayer_Well no the people of the PCA are not ignorant hur
21:15.11OluapPlayer_Remember they have Loron and Kicath around
21:15.42OluapPlayer_As well as some Zí-Jittorám somewhere
21:16.12XhoCouncillor pets
21:16.40XhoWell the Kicath are to be trusted since they've been involved with saving the galaxy for years
21:16.43XhoLoron well
21:16.47XhoSheer blind luck
21:17.32XhoBut yeah where should I put Mahanaya
21:17.39OluapPlayer_Also Borealis doesn't really have much reason to fear the Mahanayans since they didn't have a presence in it before the Dominion/States showed up
21:17.47OluapPlayer_Lemme check
21:17.54XhoTrue
21:18.34OluapPlayer_Codex page says they live at the Demolidus Sector
21:18.37OluapPlayer_So probably there
21:21.05XhoMahanayan - deelin wit monster plants                 desert folk not used to dis
21:22.50dromAlright, the new Nomatarian model is now canon. I'll do the pics tomorrow, it's night atm
21:24.42OluapPlayer_https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11694162_1688095411409755_8660248312502820095_n.jpg?oh=df83a9191fc2ca7f0e8f64f2fb009bee&oe=5624E61A
21:25.32XhoGood question
21:26.34MonetOkay my brai nbroke
21:26.36GhelThe sword with the gun could shoot the gun in the gun more easily than the gun with the sword could shoot the sword in the gun, because the gun's gun is a bigger target than the gun's gun.
21:26.43OluapPlayer_http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/310881/26354236/1435644076437/Asian-carp3.jpg?token=l6ubRfPAK%2FVkz16OXnQeASxudas%3D
21:26.56GhelThe same goes for the gun with the sword shooting the sword in the sword.
21:27.11GhelSo then you end up with  broken sword with a gun against a broken gun with a sword.
21:27.18GhelSo I think the sword with the gun wins.
21:27.24MonetOluapPLayer_: The terror fro mbelow
21:27.37GhelBut both are defeated by the mighty carp.
21:28.00OluapPlayer_Those bullets won't do jack as the carp is shielded by the water
21:28.17OluapPlayer_And good luck hitting that with a sword in time
21:28.42MonetYou can kill things in water
21:28.44GhelNeither bullets nor swords can penetrate solid carp anyway.
21:28.57OluapPlayer_I just got reminded of Dwarf Fortress' carp and how they were killing machines at one point
21:29.12MonetOluapPlayer_: I think that's the joke
21:29.31OluapPlayer_Hard to tell since there are no dorfs
21:30.05GhelCarp aren't that big. So the swimmer must be pretty small.
21:31.11MonetWHo can forget the sophisticated art of Redneck Fishing
21:32.11MonetThe ancient art of shooting the contents of a 12-gauge into a river in the hopes of hitting something.
21:34.20GhelYour chances are easier if you put the water and the fish into a barrel first.
21:34.29GhelThen it's as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.
21:34.30OluapPlayer_I heard once that bullets don't penetrate too much into the water
21:34.35OluapPlayer_Don't know the veracity of it
21:34.55GhelWater does exert a lot more drag than air, so they'll be slowed down more quickly.
21:35.16GhelBut I don't know how much so.
21:35.30HachimanThere are videos of it
21:35.44HachimanRendered in slow-motion as well
21:41.37Xhohttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJ5OYtLUMAA1TWE.jpg:large This will be used as a reaction image in the future
21:42.55OluapPlayer_describes u well
21:48.02Xhoyeh
21:48.06Xhounfortunately
21:50.07XhoSo apparently a pentaquark particle has been discovered
21:52.08OluapPlayer_a wat now
21:52.34MonetXho: Wormy beat you again lol
21:52.38GhelIt's three quarks. Then another quark. Then an antiquark to mix things up again.
21:52.51Xhoblah
21:54.26OluapPlayer_but dats 4-1
21:54.46GhelThen there's tetraquarks, which are two quarks and two antiquarks.
21:55.06GhelThen it seems that there are also particles made of six quarks. No antiquarks.
21:55.14GhelAre they called hexaquarks? No.
21:55.21GhelDibaryons.
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21:59.00DrodoEmpireHey everyone
22:00.27GhelHello.
22:02.56DrodoEmpiretest
22:16.51Wormy_fictionhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Important_topics/Resources
22:16.58Wormy_fictionHow its looking so far
22:17.27Wormy_fictionI'll leave practical application to someone else
22:17.33DrodoEmpireGood. What of Andasium?
22:17.39DrodoEmpireOr is that separate?
22:17.44Wormy_fictionEnergy minerals I assume
22:17.53DrodoEmpireAh
22:18.15Wormy_fictionAndasium will belong in the database section i
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22:57.10Wormy_fictionErr.  I seem to have made a real fucking mess http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/move
22:57.30DrodoEmpireWait what
22:57.33Wormy_fictionI miss the old days when I could have just moved the damn thing.  Wikia sucks at that.
22:58.12Wormy_fictionhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Message_Wall:A_Glitch_that_Causes_Your_Space_Empire_to_Transform_into_the_First_Species_you_Met%3F
22:58.15Wormy_fictionnow this exists
22:58.21DrodoEmpireI dunno, I know some dipshit restored the page with "LOLOLOLOL" as its content. Would that mess things up any?
22:58.30DrodoEmpireYeah...
22:58.38Wormy_fictionI saw, a vandal taking opportunity of my cock up
23:02.31Wormy_fictionTechnobliterator:  halp
23:03.07Technobliteratorwat
23:03.43Wormy_fictionI thought if I could move it to the forum namespace, I would have the button to move it to a board.  But it doesn't take the hisatory over and instead made this mess
23:04.12TechnobliteratorWhy did you try and move it :o
23:04.49Wormy_fictionI was trying to be kind
23:06.23Technobliteratorlooks like...nothing is wrong with it now? ?___?
23:06.56Wormy_fictionNo, but its created an empty redirect page to a user account that doesn't exist, and I can't delete it.
23:07.15Wormy_fictionhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Message_Wall:A_Glitch_that_Causes_Your_Space_Empire_to_Transform_into_the_First_Species_you_Met%3F
23:07.33TechnobliteratorThe best way is probably to contact Wikia
23:07.42DrodoEmpire~seen Aeo
23:07.43infobotaeo <ad1367c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.19.103.199> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 3d 23h 5m 48s ago, saying: 'I suppose.'.
23:08.05DrodoEmpireHe was on three days ago? I haven't seen him in quite some time.
23:08.14Wormy_fictionArguably we could forget about it
23:09.15Wormy_fictionActually it is an empty template
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23:13.39Wormy_fictionhi
23:17.31MonetDrodoEmpire: He's been mysteriously absent
23:17.43DrodoEmpireYeah. :p
23:17.52DrodoEmpireWell to be fair he said he may not hang around for long
23:20.23HachimanLooks like we drove him off
23:20.55DrodoEmpireReally? I didn't notice anyone being very hostile to him
23:21.02DrodoEmpireNot this time around anyway
23:21.40HachimanI just do not think he can really stand being here hur
23:21.54DrodoEmpireMaybe not
23:25.43MonetI'm considering House Of the Unseen Hand might need a different tname but not much clue as to what.
23:27.52Monet"The Ambrosian Club"?
23:28.45DrodoEmpireWhat's this about?
23:30.13MonetI'm not sure if the name of the group mentioned has enough punch or ring to it
23:33.59MonetThat and the current name feels a little too ominous
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23:34.35AdmiralPandahi all
23:34.39DrodoEmpireHi
23:35.37DrodoEmpireHi
23:36.00MonetHi
23:38.19DrodoEmpiretest
23:38.47HachimanMonet: The Ambrosian Order, Ambrosian Syndicate
23:39.02HachimanOr Ambrose / Hidden Syndicate
23:39.14MonetAmbrozian Order and AMbrose aare good ones.
23:39.24MonetNot every member's a crook after all.
23:39.41MonetA number of the members, even the inner circle, are legitimate entrepeneurs
23:39.50MonetOoh!
23:39.55DrodoEmpireHm?
23:39.58MonetThe Ambrose Society?
23:40.14AdmiralPandagonna go take my dog for a walk, back in probably an hour or so
23:40.31DrodoEmpireshrugs
23:40.37DrodoEmpireSure
23:40.38Wormy_Enjoy
23:41.50DrodoEmpirehttp://i.gyazo.com/bb8cfec1fdbd4a20cef9ac216ac8b7ef.png
23:41.57DrodoEmpirewat
23:42.32OluapPlayer_olol
23:44.15Monet"The Ambrosan Society?"
23:44.26Wormy_Oluap:  http://i.imgur.com/vJsIh8w.jpg
23:44.36MonetThough I like Ambrose
23:44.44DrodoEmpireEither-or Monet
23:46.44OluapPlayer_woof
23:48.02MonetOkay so my current thoughts are Ambrose Group, Ambrosan Order, Ambrose, Ambrose Society and Ambrosian Society.
23:48.32HachimanAmbrosian Society is pretty good
23:49.28DrodoEmpireI like that too
23:49.37DrodoEmpireThough all of them sound close to this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Ambrosian_Republic
23:49.40DrodoEmpire:p
23:52.56HachimanBy your statement, every civilisation with "republic", "empire", etc. in its name sounds too similar to an Earth state and cannot be used
23:52.56MonetWell the source is close
23:53.16MonetActually he may have ben referring to the use of "Ambrosain"
23:53.25DrodoEmpireUhm no
23:53.29MonetThough the Golden Ambrosian Republic was not on my mind
23:53.35DrodoEmpire"Ambrosan" -> "Ambrosian".
23:53.44DrodoEmpireDifference of one letter bud.
23:53.54DrodoEmpireNot a huge deal as the nation itself was very obscure
23:53.57DrodoEmpireBut still

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