IRC log for #sporewiki on 20150524

00:07.06AdmiralPandakalashnikov-shaped vodka bottle, stores 30 shots
00:08.03XhoThat's beyond Russian
00:10.51AdmiralPandaforget the fact that it's a kalashnikov full of vodka, I love that it contains 30 shots
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00:47.09Aeohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:I_Am_Enlightenment#Nighttime_Heist New Section.
00:47.37AeoMonet Hachiman you both need to add yourselves to the participants. I could also add you guys for you if you wanted.
00:49.25HachimanCould do that for me yeah
00:49.31HachimanKinda busy right now
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00:54.55Aeohttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Fiction_Universe/Important_Topics/Media Technobliterator where on this page would the PGPS go?
00:55.25Technobliteratororganisations
00:55.32AeoWhere in that, though?
00:55.56AeoUnder Xonexi Organizations?
00:55.56MonetThe organisation ar elisted by location of origin
00:56.12AeoIs Xonexi a collective term for the Milky Way and Andromeda?
00:56.19MonetYes
00:57.10AeoFuck me, that template.
01:01.53TechnobliteratorI agree with the Fiction Universe template sucking
01:03.46MonetAeo: Do you mean the Ficverse tempalte or the organisation template?
01:03.48TechnobliteratorThere are so many things I want to change
01:03.55AeoThe table
01:04.39TechnobliteratorThat's...not a template
01:04.41Technobliterator._.
01:04.41Monet<PROTECTED>
01:05.45Technobliteratoroh, he didn't code it very efficiently at all
01:06.10TechnobliteratorWell, it looks pretty
01:08.47Technobliterator...eh?
01:08.55Technobliteratorit's not coded efficiently, but
01:09.00Technobliteratorit's easy as hell to work with
01:09.07The_Randomnessthat's good
01:09.08Technobliteratorwhat are you problems with it, aeo?
01:11.39Wormy_Alphabetising 5 pages of references isn't fun ._.
01:11.47Wormy_at 2 in the morning
01:13.51Wormy_I've got 1 week, 1 day to make 3D web navigation, several rendered, compiled and compressed videos, complete this bloody document, complete my website, finish a report and maybe throw more projects in before burning to disc
01:14.35Wormy_I've never been this stressed since my exams on the geology degree lol
01:14.41Wormy_*previous
01:16.34AeoI have to disagree with your assessment that it's easy to work with.
01:16.45AeoMaybe I'll get used to it.
01:17.14Technobliterator...how is it difficult to work with?
01:17.22TechnobliteratorNothing about it is confusing
01:17.40TechnobliteratorI don't get why people here find this stuff difficult
01:18.01Wormy_Its not hard, I know what I'm doing.  But its bloody time consuming.
01:18.18Wormy_It can take half a day to render an animation
01:18.34Wormy_It can take 2  days to make a successful code
01:19.13TechnobliteratorWormy_, I forget, do you do Computer Science?
01:19.18Wormy_My document is nearly 80 pages so far
01:19.45Wormy_I'm doing an FdSc in interactive media, so 3D graphics and programming
01:20.23Wormy_I'm aiming for a top up degree next year though, but I need a merit
01:21.03Wormy_Sorry Aeo, I thought you was talking to me
01:21.11Wormy_I'm getting tired
01:22.15Wormy_My projects though, are still aimed at my interests in geology and physics.  So I'm working on 3D geology and scientific visualisation
01:23.23Wormy_I made this, for example (I'll get the full animation up eventually) http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Subduction_test_render.png
01:23.52Wormy_a visual of this http://www.geo.cornell.edu/hawaii/220/PRI/images/subduction2.jpg
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02:45.05DrodoEmpireHey everyone
02:45.28TekDroidHello
02:58.49DrodoEmpiretest
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03:51.02AeoCurrently writing about a race who basically lost their civilization and most of the prettiness of their nature to a nuclear war. Their civilization regrouped in the aftermath, and they now all live inside radiation-shielded holodecks connected to the internet.
03:51.23DrodoEmpireInteresting
03:52.58AeoSo they can interact, live, work, and do most everything else in a safe and artificial environment. The downside being that they only leave the buildings when they move, which only happens when two of them decide to have children, or one of their children moves out. It also makes power outages a bitch.
03:53.15DrodoEmpire:p
03:53.47DrodoEmpirePerhaps to counter this problem, they've invested heavily in reliable, high-yield power generation?
03:54.04DrodoEmpireThis'd also give them something to market internationally, actually
03:54.13DrodoEmpireVery efficent, safe power generators
03:56.05AeoI'm not sure how they grow food. Perhaps they have robot bodies they can manipulate. And yes, I imagine they have. They're going to become Aeoneonatrix protectorates, so the Aeons will have access to that, and to their holodecks, something that the Aeons did not previously have.
03:56.48DrodoEmpireWell, you could use replicators, but even they need some sort of food stock
03:57.05DrodoEmpireAutomated agriculture might do the trick
03:57.31AeoThey're not in space, so I don't imagine they have replicators.
03:57.46DrodoEmpireThen how do theyhave holodecks?
03:57.58DrodoEmpireWHich are really just upscaled replicators for the most part
03:58.07DrodoEmpireThey both use quite similar technology
03:58.19AeoNot literally a holodeck.
03:58.33AeoThink of it more like a hardcore Oculus Rift.
03:58.39DrodoEmpireSorry, is it *figuratatively* a holodeck? :p
03:58.45DrodoEmpireRight
04:38.49AeoIt consists of a room with a tred mill for a floor, eye nose and ear pieces, and a skintight suit which can simulate the desired tactile sensation. This allows you to do whatever you want in a simulated environment, including actually exercise, because you really are moving. IDK how it addresses coordination and the like, things like the sense of balance.
04:50.12AdmiralPandabeing mounted in a gyroscope?
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05:05.32AeoAdmiralPanda: That might work, but would it be incompatable with the thing about the tred mill, as well as the ability for two persons to babymake in their simulated environments?
05:06.15AeoIt can't be that they just stay in one place for their entire lives matrix style. Some muscular atrophy is acceptable, but no ability to move whatsoever would be problematic.
05:08.15AeoThen again, there was a doohicky in the Matrix that made Neo able to move even though his muscles had never been able to be used, and I suppose they could simply have the women be subject to in vitro fertilization or its equivalent.
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06:17.32AeoCharles_Murray Will the Aeoneonatrix Empire still be a KSA member when it reappears, or will either its disappearance or its no longer being in the Katar Sector revoke that?
06:19.26Charles_MurrayThat's up to DrodoEmpire and Tek to decide, probably ICly.
06:19.46DrodoEmpireHmm
06:19.50DrodoEmpireInteresting question
06:20.46Charles_Murray^
06:21.08Charles_MurrayI'm no longer a part of the KSA, I don't think I have a say in this decision? ;)
06:21.51AeoThey might benefit from having someone there, able to be in contact with and trade with the civilizations of the area. Plus, I don't imagine there was a clause in the original KSA document dealing with the question of extragalactic teleportation.
06:22.29AeoSo I imagine they would still be in the KSA by default, meaning the civilizations therein would have to specifically remove them, which why would they do?
06:23.14Charles_MurrayIf we were to interpret their membership in the KSA literally, sure, but governments hardly ever do that
06:24.45AeoThey might be bound by the contracts they signed, though. I wouldn't imagine there's anything in those documents even obligating members to be physically in Katar.
06:26.29AeoI'll put it this way: Say a tier 5 civ really close to the Drodo's extragalactic colonies in Andromeda wanted to join. From what I know about the KSA, the geography isn't something they'd be inclined to even consider.
06:27.59AeoIn fact, the KSA would probably be happy to have an Andromedan Branch. In fact, it seems logical that something as I described above might have already happened as the DrodoEmpire has expanded.
06:28.25Charles_MurrayYus, but it's still a matter of regonition. If the KSA/Drodo Empire/Farengeto have interests in keeping the Aeons in the KSA, they will. If it isn't, they'll probably find some excuse not to recognize them.
06:28.40Charles_MurrayEspecially with Jivirik in charge.
06:29.31AeoJivirik?
06:29.39Charles_MurrayNew Drodoian head of state.
06:29.42DrodoEmpireThe KSA is starting to slowly become less relevant. However, keeping the Aeons in might be a good idea because of what you said and may spark something of a revival in its relevance.
06:31.34DrodoEmpireWell... Yeah Jivirik is a bit of a heavy-handed rabble-rouser. His opinions may be mixed on the Aeons, and the Drodo public, more importantly, find them to be rather backwards and religious.
06:31.43AeoCool. Yeah, I could see some Andromedans joining, and some people from other places.
06:32.17DrodoEmpireSo really he may just kick them out so as to get good approval rating
06:32.31DrodoEmpireDepends though
06:32.50DrodoEmpireThey aren't high on his priorities list, so he may just keep them in for the strategic advantage
06:33.07AeoWell, they are religious. Given that the Sindar were in the KSA for a while, and as far as I know still are, and they are unquestionably more objectionable, I imagine the Aeons will be within the threshold. Tek0516 what say you?
06:33.52DrodoEmpireThe thing is that the Drodo public likely knows more about the Aeons and this focuses on them more.
06:34.10DrodoEmpireWhen they think "backwards religious fanatics" :p
06:35.54AeoPerhaps. Honestly, I think the Aeons are kinda misunderstood. In a world where the DI and DCP have everyone's admiration, they're thought of as fanatics despite having done more good and less evil than both of those relative to their size, barring perhaps those two's conflicts with the Xhodocto.
06:47.18AeoIf you're a civilization being conquered by advanced aliens, they're the one race who will actually do something about it and help you, at least as far as I know.
06:47.42DrodoEmpireThat... Really depends.
06:47.45DrodoEmpire:
06:47.50DrodoEmpire*:P
06:48.23DrodoEmpireNations' behavior varies. Its not as if they have a single mindset or doctrine. Naturally, it changes with the times.
06:49.17DrodoEmpireIf said civilization is a trade partner or ally, or the advanced aliens are doing this near Drodo territory, or if they've simply crossed the line with their aggression, of course the Drodo will intervene
06:49.22AeoWhat mind would the Drodo pay to a violent enslavement happening perhaps a few hundred light years from their boarders, (close enough that they can trivially help if they want to, but far enough away that it's not going to effect them if they disregard it)
06:50.04DrodoEmpireThey'll obviously look with disgust, but they know that going out of their way to stop it would cause more problems most cases
06:50.27DrodoEmpireUnless the nation is sufficiently weak, or already a rival, starting a war would not be worth it.
06:50.28AeoBy know, I think you mean "believe" :P
06:50.47AeoIt's weak. Like I said, they can stop it trivially.
06:50.49DrodoEmpireKnow.
06:51.23AeoThe Aeoneonatrix do tend to pick only the fights they can win.
06:51.26DrodoEmpireStarting a war isn't something you just do.
06:51.40AeoLingur - Lol yeah it is.
06:52.13DrodoEmpireIt requires a massive mobilization of resources, a careful studying of the diplomatic situation, and of course a strategy that'll work.
06:52.13AeoLingur - Especially with a bunch of barely-spacefaring slaving fuckwads.
06:52.17AdmiralPandaIdealism quickly gets crushed by realism, simply because consistent practical action always turns out better in the long run.
06:53.42DrodoEmpireAgain, if they're a trade partner, an ally, or simply are somehow in Drodo interests, they'll rush to their aid.
06:54.08AeoI don't think its as hard as you make it out to be, especially if you pick your battles carefully. Also, war isn't the only way they'd stop a conquest like I just described. They can also bribe the conquerors to back off.
06:54.09DrodoEmpireIf they have no previous contact, or are hundreds of light years away, why help? How can they?
06:54.30AdmiralPandaYou're talking to the two military strategy buffs of the wiki mate :P
06:54.48Aeo1: Swoop in and stop the anexation with gunz. 2: Bribe the conquerors to cut it the fuck out.
06:55.05DrodoEmpireWhy go through the trouble to send thousands of your young men to die in some far-off area to ease your personal conscience?
06:55.28AeoLingur - Why they gotta be men?
06:56.29DrodoEmpiretrying to help every tiny uncontacted people is impractical, and would likely do more harm than good
06:56.48AeoLingur - Starfish.
06:57.02AeoLingur - If you still remember what that refers to.
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07:00.46GhelaeHello.
07:00.49AdmiralPandahi
07:01.17AeoLingur - Plus, hopefully in a year, we'll be a high tier three war machine, and not too long after that, we'll be approaching low tier 2 where we can legit act like we want to act.
07:03.20DrodoEmpireDrodo - Like an overextended band of imperialists, desperately trying to justify their actions to an angry international community?
07:04.59AeoLingur - No! It's not like we just walk up to random innocuous civilizations and conquer them Tyranny style!
07:05.23AeoLingur - We really do take the path of peace whenever we can. That is what we have Cabar for.
07:05.29AeoCabar - This is true.
07:05.47DrodoEmpireDrodo - No, but you intervene plenty, based on your own flimsy ideology. That is the hallmark of imperialism.
07:07.39AeoLingur - Flimsy? I have heard the voice of the Cleanser. I have seen him come to my aid in battle. (A rare thing inflicted only on willing users, do not worry.) I have seen him appear in front of me. I have seen him perform miracles which nothing in Katar could have replicated when I saw them done.
07:08.24AdmiralPanda*coughs* flimsy because the author relies on a deity where everyone else relies on good writing *cough*
07:08.28DrodoEmpireDrodo - No, flimsy as in you use this religious justification to spread your unwelcome influence across the four corners of the map.
07:09.38AeoAdmiralPanda I rely on both. You could say the same thing to Xho, as his only explanation for how the Xhodocto act is supernatural.
07:09.53AdmiralPandahere's the difference: the Xhodocto are Cthulhu
07:09.57AdmiralPandathey are beyond poewrful
07:10.02AdmiralPandaand they do nothing on the mortal scale
07:10.05DrodoEmpireAdmiralPanda be like: http://i.imgur.com/dc7T6BE.gif
07:10.08AdmiralPandathe Aeoneonatrix are not
07:10.45AdmiralPandaI don't like the Xhodocto either for the same reason, but because they simply aren't relevant most of the time it doesn't matter
07:11.19AeoBecause the Aeons are just the center of everything that happens in the fiction universe.
07:11.26AdmiralPandathey're trying to be
07:11.47AeoWell, yes, but they're not.
07:11.55AdmiralPandaYou shoving your idealist ways down on Monet forced him into doubt over whether he was portraying the Draconis well or not
07:12.22AeoHow the fuck dare I.
07:13.06AdmiralPandaIndeed, all the work he's put into the DI thrown into question when everyone else supports him
07:13.25AdmiralPandayour fiction holds up for one specific reason: every time someone challenges you, you hold up the Cleanser and stand behind it
07:13.32DrodoEmpireWell... Yes, how the fuck dare you. :p Criticism is one thing, you really shook him.
07:13.34AdmiralPandaeveryone else sees a challenge, contemplates the issue and improves
07:14.52AeoHow is the Cleanser not a suitable explanation in the established universe? I only point to him to solve logical problems. I've never used him to rationalize a flaw in my actual storytelling beyond that.
07:15.57AeoEverything he does is precidented somewhere else in the universe, or at least there's something similar which seems to make it clear that he could exist as well.
07:17.03DrodoEmpireBut even that's a little fucky imo
07:17.45DrodoEmpire*every* nation has "logical problems". Things like international relations, societal issues, unrest, etc.
07:17.48AdmiralPandaThe issue is he is a point of objectivity in a subjective universe. What the Cleanser represents is a way for you to state that other people are wrong because they do not fit the morality that he creates.
07:18.39AdmiralPandaSo long as he exists, that possibility continues to exist that you can challenge others for their fictions making decisions that are moral and rational for their fiction, but does not conform to your morality, and they cannot argue back.
07:19.33AdmiralPandaAs per what happened last time I interacted with you and Monet; by and large every point we raised was countered by Cleanser
07:19.42AdmiralPandaNot by practical, rational argument, by Cleanser.
07:19.57AdmiralPandaAnd you can challenge the foundation of any fiction, like you did mine, with Cleanser
07:20.07AdmiralPandaThe Fordanta's cultural development? Arbitrary because Cleanser.
07:20.08AeoWhen? When have I done that recently, and why couldn't I do it either way? Also, no, no such discussion happened with him. Did he tell you that it did?
07:20.21AeoAre you kidding me?
07:20.29AeoI AM NOT THE FUCKING AEONEONATRIX!
07:20.29AdmiralPandaThe Draconid Imperium's social structure? Wrong because Cleanser
07:20.44AdmiralPandaYou are responsible for them.
07:20.57AeoTHEY ARE CHARACTERS AND I DO NOT AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY SAY AND DO!
07:21.18DrodoEmpireIts still annoying.
07:21.22DrodoEmpire:p
07:21.22AdmiralPandaAnd yet you continue to push on without acknowledging so out of character.
07:21.31AeoWhen?
07:21.36AdmiralPandaNot once do you say "look, the Aeoneonatrix are being a dick, but here's what I think"
07:21.59AdmiralPandaLiterally last time we talked. As I recall it was a three-way interaction between you, me and Monet, discussing the DI's Sub-citizen system.
07:22.09AeoBecause I don't see that as necessary. I suppose I should assume Xho wants to destroy the universe too.
07:22.34AdmiralPandaI don't, because I know he doesn't, because he actually speaks as a person, and gives advice and criticism as a person.
07:22.49AeoAnd I don't?
07:23.09AdmiralPandaFrom what I've seen, no you don't. All I see when I'm on is the Aeoneonatrix
07:23.37AeoI'll admit I can see where it could be hard to tell where my views end and where the Aeoneonatrix begin, but it's not like I've ever factually stated that I think they're always right.
07:24.01AdmiralPandaYou never state otherwise.
07:24.22AdmiralPandaNow if you'll excuse me, I have dinner. If you want to continue when I get back then you're welcome to.
07:24.25AeoHere's a hint: When I switch from typing normally to saying "Aeon - " that probably means I don't agree, or don't agree entirely, with what is being said.
07:25.05AeoDrodoEmpire: Does it really look from the outside like I think the Aeons are always totally in the right?
07:25.58DrodoEmpireAlright, fine, target me next. I'll say this, then.
07:28.16AeoBecause to be clear, while I like their intentions and the fact that they transcend realpolitik, there are definitely things they could do better. For one, they could stand to be less assholeish to the undedicated. For another, they could stand to have a better comprehension of moral complexity around them.
07:28.41DrodoEmpireEven if you don't agree with what they say, their utter insistance IC that they're right, your constant defence of their actions (particularly by using the cleanser argument), and your handwaving of practical problems with your idealistic apporaches to things such as intervention in foreign affairs, war, etc. are quite bloody annoying to say the least.
07:29.10DrodoEmpireThefact that they somehow transcend the reality that is politics irks me
07:30.07DrodoEmpireAnd that's my opinion.
07:31.08AeoIf I've used the Cleanser to defend their actions, it's been to refute a consequentialist argument. Like, I've argued that the bad thing that you say would happen wouldn't because the Cleanser. I've never said that something wrong they did was right because Cleanser.
07:32.47AeoSo what would you have be do? Scrap the Aeoneonatrix and do something else? Change them until they don't resemble what I had before in a fundamental way? The most I could do is dial down their activity level, something I've already kind of done in my head.
07:34.10DrodoEmpireI don't care if you justify actions morally with religion. What irks me is that so-called "bad things" that almost every single other fiction has  to deal with don't happen because of the cleanser
07:34.28DrodoEmpireIts absolutely, utterly, absurd. And unfair, really.
07:35.26DrodoEmpireThe Drodo, for their colonial empire and advanced technology still have to deal with ethnic, family, and religious tensions, rebels, and many other things. All of those things don't matter with the Aeons. Why? Because Cleanser.
07:35.53AeoI did an entire story called the Clifsk affair about that.
07:36.24AeoHe's why the problem is unusually managable, not why it doesn't exist at all, or doesn't exist appreciably.
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07:37.37AeoAnd again, there's no solution that keeps the fundamental concept of what they are intact. Am I correct in saying you'd have me make it so they hardly ever do things just to help people?
07:37.55dromCharles_Murray: 9000+ channels in a single image: http://cabletv.com/wp-content/uploads/23880/logos5.jpg
07:38.29AeoThe solution that keeps them intact is them relying mostly on diplomacy to peacefully convert other civilizations. I've already made them like that.
07:38.35Charles_MurrayOw my eyes
07:38.50dromIf every world in GQ had an equal amount of them. Imagine how many you can pick from GQ multimedia these days.
07:38.53DrodoEmpireThe fact that he makes just about everything "unusually managable" with his ill-defined power is silly.
07:39.24DrodoEmpireAeo: No, of course not. But dealing with the consequences of such actions would be preferable.
07:39.36DrodoEmpireThat is, doing things just to help.
07:40.07AeoAlright. I'll take that into consideration, though I doubt it's what AP had in mind.
07:40.09DrodoEmpireSuch as such plans doing more harm than good, or becoming overextended due to doing it too much.
07:40.25DrodoEmpireAs for your second point
07:40.49DrodoEmpireYou've already said that Cleanser just *shows up* to convert people, apparently.
07:40.54dromI'm planning to push NS' multimedia in GQ. But I'm once again struggling with the logos.
07:41.16Charles_Murraydrom : Careful, GQ is an abbreviation for "Gentleman's Quarterly" in English-speaking countries, a pornography magazine.
07:41.32dromOh.
07:41.41AdmiralPandaWait wait wait
07:42.01dromYou anglos are so weird
07:42.04AdmiralPandaGQ has PORN in your country?
07:42.10AdmiralPandagoddamit Australia
07:42.22AdmiralPanda(back for a couple of minutes while dinner is cooking)
07:42.26dromHow about G4?
07:42.55drom> american tv channel
07:43.48dromStill, you get the point.
07:48.04AeoJust a general notice: If I ever annoy you with a conversation, just say "Flying Squirrel" to safeword out of it.
07:55.03dromAeo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSUXXzN26zg
08:16.13dromCharles_Murray: How is this? http://i.imgur.com/6LJf5CX.png
08:17.25Charles_MurrayIt -works-, though the trend so far is for the logos to have a transparent background. That looks more like a falg
08:17.26Charles_Murrayflag
08:17.56DrodoEmpireLooks fine to me.
08:20.14Aeodrom: I counted: There are 1600 channels in this image http://cabletv.com/wp-content/uploads/23880/logos5.jpg not 9000+
08:22.36dromCharles_Murray: Suffice to say, but the background isn't transparent. http://i.imgur.com/yUR2DXX.png
08:26.19dromA bike from the 1930. http://i.imgur.com/XyIEmZa.jpg
08:35.02AdmiralPandaI would totally ride that
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08:47.10JepardiHi
08:48.38dromA town down under in a land down under. http://imgur.com/gallery/QgjlY
08:49.37dromWhere is Wormy when you need him? http://imgur.com/gallery/eiktmRz
09:16.25dromGhelae: Now for astronomics porn: http://i.imgur.com/4rAqZPL.webm
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10:29.25dromOooh, this is interesting. http://pokemonuranium.com/download.html
10:55.11Imperiosdrom Liquid_Ink: https://2ch.hk/po/src/9028620/14324629059670.webm
10:56.12dromWhat happened to him?
10:56.21Liquid_Ink..?
10:56.33Liquid_InkDid he get trapped in a corner?
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11:07.17Monethello
11:08.46GhelHello.
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11:19.03Wormy_hi
11:19.34Wormy_My birthday in a couple of days, I'm starting to get cards and presents
11:21.56GhelHello.
11:24.19dromHello
11:25.17dromCharles_Murray: About the multimedia logo, what can I do to improve/make it more like a logo to a multimedia company?
11:30.45ImperiosHi
11:30.47Imperiosdrom: https://2ch.hk/po/src/9027879/14324555768000.jpg
11:30.58drompft
11:48.48dromMonet: Whatcha think? Please note that it isn't transparent. http://i.imgur.com/6LJf5CX.png
11:52.59MonetLooks pretty cool
11:54.21dromI was told that it looks like a flag, if so, what can I do to makes it less flag-looking and more multimedia?
11:54.43dromHm. I need to change that first N to M
11:55.47MonetMaybe the logo is purple and not the background, which is instead transparent
11:56.57dromIt is supposed to be have a purple background. But the image is 600x600, the logo itself is 400x600.
11:57.16drom600x400*
11:57.51MonetWhy the gap?
11:58.54MonetI think the "looks likea flag" thing comes from the fact not many logos actually have a background
12:00.33dromMakes it easier to put it inside 600x600 containers without having to go through coding hassle only to force to center it.
12:02.41dromhttp://cabletv.com/wp-content/uploads/23880/logos5.jpg
12:03.31MonetI think a lot of those back backgrounds can easily be transparent
12:05.26MonetAnd there's still a considerable number of backgroundless logos
12:07.29dromSome logos do have backgrounds. But watermark versions have none.
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12:15.36GhelHello.
12:15.53OluapWorkerHi
12:21.36Imperioshttp://i.imgur.com/cFwfM29.jpg hur
12:26.01dromMonet: http://i.imgur.com/J3ONYpt.png
12:26.09dromSingle color
12:26.49MonetLooks a little better I guess, seems less colourful though
12:27.48dromWatermarks in a nutshell
12:31.05dromI've got that version, except it is fully white rather than black, and the an image of the text only.
12:31.19dromFor use as watermark
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13:16.26GhelHello.
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13:21.56OluapWorkerspu
13:22.02GhelaeHello.
13:22.31Monethello
13:22.47Xhosquawk
13:24.49OluapWorkeru no burd
13:24.54OluapWorkerWait why am I worker
13:25.50Liquid_InkEurovision was good, but the Australian commentators pissed me off.
13:26.14XhoBut why is Australia in Eurovision
13:26.21XhoActually don't answer that
13:26.35XhoIt's in the same vein as Russia and Ukraine stabbing each other
13:27.30OluapPlayerImperios: http://puu.sh/hY9Id.jpg
13:28.04XhoEUROPE PEOPLE BEST WHITE PEOPLE GOOD MANNERS
13:28.26OluapPlayer"black but wrong colour by accident"
13:28.30OluapPlayerGets me every time
13:28.33XhoHeh
13:28.37MonetOuchlol
13:28.49XhoOluapPlayer: Are you gonna try to do Fog War today
13:29.06OluapPlayerHachi won't be online today so no
13:29.31Xhodam dis
13:29.37MonetOluapWorker: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Shattering/Realm_of_Giants#The_Labyrinth (2nd chapter) Koluap might have a field day.
13:29.47XhoI was going to try and do Wrath of Night as well but apparently not now
13:30.40dino82_@monet: Oh  afield day, neat1
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13:33.58OluapPlayerKoluap - crispy wtf r u doin
13:35.01MonetYarda - Bein smart hah
13:35.49Wormy_awayLol the UK scored 24th as usual
13:44.02OluapPlayerXho Imperios: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Creature%3AOndarei_Mharinis also I don't know if you noticed but I rewrote this page recently
13:44.30XhoPelagrios - but u called sea giants
13:44.58XhoI think everyone has the wrong impression of the Orichalcum Elves
13:45.05XhoThey weren't hostile
13:45.58XhoNice page other than that though
13:46.02OluapPlayerTheir page makes them look pretty hostile
13:46.27XhoWell they had hostile moments in time
13:46.47XhoThough overall they didn't actively berate the civilisations they conquered
13:47.23XhoThe main intention behind it was to protect everyone from Void Denizens though I guess others may have viewed it as a hostile takeover
13:47.56OluapPlayerYou described them as being unwelcoming toward other empires and never made allies which is why I assume they were hostile
13:48.05XhoOh
13:48.36XhoMost of it was to do with the Adamantine Elves I guess
13:48.46XhoWho as far as I can tell wanted to hang the Orichalcum Elves
13:48.57Wormy_awayhttp://www.sciencealert.com/new-bionic-contact-lenses-could-make-glasses-obsolete
13:49.08OluapPlayerI think the Adamantine Elves wanted to hang everyone really
13:49.20XhoOrichalcum Elves - c we were the good guys
13:49.25OluapPlayerBut their page will never be made so WE WILL NEVER KNOW
13:49.42OluapPlayerbrb irc dum
13:49.55XhoBut I suppose there was a lot of active cooperation with the Cobalt Kingdom though
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13:50.30OluapPlayerI'm gonna have to restart the IRC every time it reaches the bottom of the page it seems
13:50.38Xho" But I suppose there was a lot of active cooperation with the Cobalt Kingdom though"
13:50.47XhoThere is a command to clear the IRC window I think
13:50.48Wormy_awayOluap:  I get that sometimes, but it stops eventually
13:50.50XhoYeah
13:50.55OluapPlayerOh yeah there is
13:50.57XhoThe command is /clear
13:50.57OluapPlayerI should use that
13:51.16OluapPlayerPelagrios - how was the old world like exactly            Kinmo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq3abPnEEGE
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13:51.30Xhohur
13:51.31drom_Wormy_away: This better be a real thing. I'm honestly tired of wearing glasses.
13:51.43XhoLonginus - complete and utter hell
13:51.56OluapPlayerVixaatus - cus ur a top dik and didnt eet sand
13:52.09Wormy_awaydrom_ There are contact lenses you can wear at night that restore your vision for about a day
13:52.14XhoLonginus - battle of tachjamund                 everyone eeted sand there
13:52.37OluapPlayerVixaatus - battle of taj mahal
13:53.00Wormy_awayIts called orthokeratology
13:53.16XhoThe old world I imagine was basically 'everywhere outside of civilisation was a death zone'
13:53.17drom_Wormy_away: I think I'll pass that.
13:54.02drom_Hopefully, it'd solve every vision problems such as myopia and hyperopia.
13:54.50Wormy_awayyeah
13:55.01Wormy_awayI'm interested by the improved vision
13:55.27Wormy_away"three times better than 20/20" exites my transhumanism
13:55.50XhoImagine the migraines
13:55.53dromFrom experience, I find hyperopia worse than average mytopia.
13:55.55XhoIMAGINE THEM
13:56.08dromBecause, you can read a single fucking text.
13:56.49Wormy_awayI don't wat to imagine them
13:58.39dromMigraines.. from what?
13:58.44Wormy_awayI would personally like bionic eyes that can see in other ranges of the EM spectrum
13:58.52OluapPlayerHmm what to do
13:59.11dromWormy_away: Retinal modification.
13:59.28Wormy_awayThis is not far away, one man even can see UV ranges by accident because of a messed up eye surgury
14:00.01dromHow did he describe his experience from memory?
14:01.12Wormy_awayhttp://www.extremetech.com/computing/118557-the-eyes-have-it-seeing-ultraviolet-exploring-color
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14:02.01TechnoblitzUgh, this Chantal71 guy is becoming quite the pest
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14:03.32Wormy_awayIts Daily Mail still, but http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2131608/Claude-Monet-How-famed-artist-ultraviolet-just-like-animals.html
14:04.03dromI think infrared vision is more benefiting.
14:05.46dromCan be a complete hassle to have one in sunny days. But you won't have to bring a light to a dark area. Because the warmth and background heat radiation produce this wavelength. So it acts like visible light, but outside the Visible Light spectrum.
14:06.11Technoblitzalso, I agree with block Chantal's IP instead of Chantal himself
14:06.17Wormy_awayThere's a totally colour blind man with a device on his tongue that allows him to taste colours
14:06.31Wormy_awayHe can sense millions more colours than anyone else now
14:07.17Wormy_awaydrom:  I imagine Geordie Laforge bionic eyes that can change settings
14:07.40Technoblitzalthough, I dunno if we should give him what he wants
14:07.45dromTechnoblitz, we can just like try to igrone him more.
14:08.03TechnoblitzI would be inclined to agree
14:08.23OluapPlayerI'm not going to ignore vandalism
14:08.46TechnoblitzHowever
14:08.56TechnoblitzWe did not block Chantal, we blocked Chantal's IP
14:09.27TechnoblitzIt is important to remember blocks primarily exist as tools to prevent damage
14:09.35TechnoblitzWhich it was used for here
14:10.00dromOh. I didn't check the logs.
14:10.07OluapPlayerThere is an option in the ban page to prevent users from logging on from that IP address
14:10.08Technoblitzbut if he vandalizes on his main account, I am not sure if it wouldn't be better to just rollback him
14:10.15Technoblitzoh, yeah
14:10.17OluapPlayerSo Chantal is also blocked unless he has multiple IPs
14:10.30Technoblitzbut it wasn't his main account
14:10.39TechnoblitzI think he's only interested in a block for his main account
14:10.48TechnoblitzSo we didn't technically give him what he wanted
14:11.43Wormy_away<PROTECTED>
14:12.09TechnoblitzI don't want to humour him, else I would've permabanned already
14:12.10Technoblitz:p
14:12.27Wormy_awayyep
14:12.52TechnoblitzThe irony though is that, for someone who claims to not wish to return to "this dying wiki", he sure seems obsessed with it
14:12.53Technoblitz<PROTECTED>
14:12.54Wormy_away<PROTECTED>
14:13.46TechnoblitzUnless he uses proxy IPs - I highly doubt he knows how to - or anything of the sort, he won't be able to use his main account, however
14:14.02TechnoblitzAnd if he uses alternate IP addresses, we can block an IP range
14:14.39Wormy_awayyep
14:14.55Wormy_away<PROTECTED>
14:15.06Technoblitzugh, him
14:15.25Technoblitzthis wiki has had its fair share of trolls, eh?
14:15.44Wormy_awayTechno:  Do you remember that troll from Jak and Daxter wiki who followed you about?
14:15.51TechnoblitzYep
14:15.59TechnoblitzACSBehemothHellcatCruiser
14:16.00Technoblitz:  |
14:16.05Wormy_awayHad any problems with him since
14:16.20TechnoblitzI think he got bored after ~a year or doing it
14:16.28Wormy_awayHe treied to troll me on youtube some years ago
14:16.33dromGotta love lunatics importing drama.
14:16.58Technoblitzbut he is probably the saddest troll I've come across in all my, what, 7 years of wikiing?
14:16.59Technoblitz:   |
14:17.29Wormy_awayMy worse troll attack was this spammer on Maxis wiki who uploaded a compilation of sickening STDs to my talk page
14:17.50OluapPlayerNothing will ever beat the 4chan raid
14:17.54Wormy_awayyep
14:17.56TechnoblitzI just cannot comprehend some people
14:18.09TechnoblitzSome people just...really, REALLY don't have lives
14:18.20Wormy_awayI remember ose saying "We shall never surrender", or something along those lines
14:18.38TechnoblitzWhat was the 4chan raid?
14:18.44OluapPlayerYou don't know about it?
14:18.48TechnoblitzI do not
14:18.57OluapPlayerIt happened when concept pages were deleted
14:19.02Technoblitzoh, yeah
14:19.03Technoblitzthat thing
14:19.05Wormy_awayTechno:  When the wiki got raided by vandals uploading porn and writing nast articles on ED
14:19.25Technoblitzyeah, and then Oluap, morgoth and ose ended up on ED
14:19.32Wormy_awayThey created accounts like "0luap" etc.
14:19.37Technoblitz(which is the shittiest attempt at an ED troll I have ever seen)
14:19.46OluapPlayerThey targeted me cus i r most important
14:19.49Wormy_awayyeah very cheap
14:19.54Technoblitzheh
14:19.58dromWhat does ED stand for?
14:20.08Wormy_awayI'm disappointed I wasn't known enough back then to get targetted
14:20.09TechnoblitzEncyclopedia Dr*matica
14:20.12dromI see.
14:20.15Wormy_awayEncyclopedia Dramatica
14:20.32TechnoblitzThey do have an article about a recurring troll on the FFWiki
14:20.34dromSounds about bad as Uncyclopedia.
14:20.40TechnoblitzWho is a very different sort of troll
14:21.03OluapPlayerED is a shock website
14:21.06Wormy_awaydrom:  Go to their Spore page and they have a section about the wiki
14:21.26Wormy_awayif you dare
14:21.34TechnoblitzThe sort who puts garbage on pages about SE stuff to glorify/shame them, forges sources about them, edit wars with them and ban evades
14:23.56dromLike every fucking "know-it-all" person
14:23.58dromFuck em
14:26.28TechnoblitzLooks like Eco is trying to talk sense into Chantal
14:29.59dromI think it is a clever way to approach whoever is responsible of this drama.
14:31.12dromChantal isn't 100% innocent, but we cannot blindly trust anonymous sources.
14:32.42TechnoblitzChantal began to hate dingo and his lot claiming they "didn't belong here"
14:32.50TechnoblitzAnd now thinks the admins are tyrants
14:33.07TechnoblitzSo he grew to hate the wiki randomly
14:35.56Technoblitzoh, bbl
14:36.35drom<PROTECTED>
14:37.12dromUnnecessary to mention, but just FYI.
14:37.47Wormy_awaydrom:  I've shown you this haven't I?  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_kdHrT8izbROJNaxGflpcZm2ivsjRGF8j1hMzl3b8O0/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true#
14:37.59dromNope
14:38.30Wormy_awayWell there you go
14:38.45dromwhat is dis
14:38.50Wormy_awayFree Computer Science resources
14:39.21dromI c
14:40.27dromInternet courses and education sources?
14:40.32Wormy_awayyep
14:40.42dromNice, I'll bookmark it
14:41.11drombrb they are serving chicken nuggets and fritz
14:41.18Wormy_awayMight be useful for general knowledge, or to prepare for a future degree in it I guess
14:43.11dromHopefully I'll find a source about hosting and server management. I've always dreamed of starting a friendly, small enough to be easily managed, and fouced gaming community while creating my own plugin/addon code for it.
14:43.18XhoThe fuck
14:43.25XhoThere's a random guy going down the road playing a trumpet
14:43.34Wormy_awaylol
14:43.35XhoOh god it's a whole jazz band
14:43.49OluapPlayerDOOT DOOT
14:43.50Wormy_awayThe Pied Piper of Southampton
14:43.55XhoDOOT DOOT indeed
14:43.55dromStreet jazz bitch
14:44.13dromStreet food's great though.
14:44.47dromUnless it literally lives up its name.
14:46.36XhoSo I saw this post on Facebook
14:46.44XhoIt's from a page that posts cringey stuff
14:47.22XhoThe post says "Fluttershy woke me up this morning and said to me..."Good morning my love. Your sweetheart says hello!"
14:47.26XhoThe top response
14:47.27Xhohttps://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/s235x165/11054335_1098792866804006_4685044110317622335_n.jpg?oh=8809d72c846df5e15634957547fbddd6&oe=55F9D66D
14:47.59OluapPlayerolol
14:49.22Xho"Kony Hawk's Pro Child Enslaver"
14:54.19Wormy_awayDCP fleet theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3mMSxt0HI4
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14:55.09AdmiralPandahi all
14:55.21GhelaeHello.
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14:56.01Knight_AlienHi
14:56.44GhelaeHello.
15:00.20Tek0516Hello AdmiralPanda and Knight_Alien
15:06.31dromHey
15:13.42Imperiosdrom: http://i.imgur.com/OOKMwtc.png
15:14.02dromolol
15:14.26dromthat was bloody brilliant
15:16.14dromeven though it is actually called kebnekajse or the more english-friendly kebnekaise
15:16.38Imperioshttp://i.imgur.com/pTqBUHQ.png
15:21.04dromWait, Sweden won another Eurovision?
15:24.05Tek0516So I was reading a Crusader Kings 2 where a guy tried and failed to create an English England. XD
15:24.33Tek0516He ended up creating the Roman Empire. XD
15:27.06Comrade_VinnyWhat? o.O
15:27.14Comrade_VinnyHow did he turned greek?
15:27.32dromImperios: https://i.imgur.com/Pgs4wm2.png
15:27.44dromRoman Empire is ITALIAN
15:28.10Comrade_VinnyYah, but only greek orthodox can restore it in CK2
15:28.58Imperiosdrom: ÑÌÅÐÒÜ ÌÎÑÊÀËßÌ
15:29.01Monetdrom: Yeah, Sweden won again
15:29.03dromBloody heresy
15:29.35dromImperios: http://i.imgur.com/krTJQRo.png
15:30.38ImperiosSeen
15:30.41ImperiosStill kinda funny
15:30.47Comrade_Vinnydrom: Why are all the balls with black borderline?
15:31.51dromIt is a standard
15:36.34dromCharles_Murray: http://i.imgur.com/n5hUIom.png
15:39.50Imperioshttps://hdwallpapers.cat/wallpaper_2560x1440/chaos_space_marines_warhammer_armour_sword_2560x1440_hd-wallpaper-1466305.jpg What the
15:39.53Tek0516I was reading a CKII AAR that sounded like it was written by a Loron. XD
15:41.03Tek0516Though it was an Orc AAR for a Warhammer mod so I'm assuming it's supposed to. :P
15:41.45MonetImperios: Fanart in a nutshell
15:41.55Imperioshur
15:41.58ImperiosSpeaking of which Monet
15:42.17ImperiosMonet: https://mlpforums.com/uploads/monthly_05_2015/blogentry-23942-0-98915800-1432129940_thumb.png Alyona showed me a new MLP episode today, that's the screenshot from it
15:44.12dromWork safety done right: http://i.imgur.com/I5Trr30.jpg
15:45.02dromImperios: http://i.imgur.com/mu4q54o.jpg
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15:49.14ImperiosXho: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/044/e/5/chaos_space_marine_by_skirill-d39fxmz.jpg Is that how Shiarchon look like
15:52.02XhoWorse than that
15:53.37dromImperios Ghelae Wormy_away: http://i.imgur.com/eIDvmJY.png
15:53.54Imperioshttp://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2012/211/6/6/succubus_by_antarcticspring-d5835ov.jpg Like this but male?
15:57.15OluapPlayerGoddamn I'm bored
16:00.19dromWormy_away Ghelae: http://i.imgur.com/03OHWsq.png
16:00.43XhoNo worse than that still
16:01.42XhoImperios: http://mrambisinistrous.deviantart.com/art/Spirit-of-Sauron-348274670 Like this
16:02.07ImperiosI think that is better off than what Is howed
16:03.00XhoWell
16:03.08XhoMy idea of bad is actually having no skin on their face at all
16:03.47OluapPlayerYou could have just said they look like skeletons hur
16:04.28XhoTrue
16:04.33XhoBut there's a lot of flesh on them as well
16:05.12OluapPlayerTibias - embrace the bone       become the bone
16:05.40dromMore like ghouls
16:07.25XhoI'd usually draw comparisons to Imhotep from The Mummy
16:07.31XhoThough twice as tall and fanged teeth
16:07.39XhoAs well as orange glowy eyes and the flesh is a lot more burnt
16:07.58dromvampire mummy on fire
16:08.22Wormy_awaydrom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4qxQRKAI2o
16:09.14dromew
16:09.45dromWormy_away: http://imgur.com/gallery/1cbbKOF
16:10.03Wormy_awaylol
16:10.18ImperiosXho: Egyptian elves
16:11.18ImperiosThat's kinda awesome
16:16.10OluapPlayerThere's nothing to do
16:16.11OluapPlayeru all borin
16:26.23ImperiosOluapPlayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c40kVKIoPvE Go listen to Serbian lady
16:26.40OluapPlayery wuld i do dat
16:27.09ImperiosBecause you're bored
16:47.23MonetTekDroid: I had a thought about that survey linked yesterday.
16:47.34TekDroidSurvey?
16:48.02MonetThe one that suggested 1 in 4 US high-schoolers thought Canada was a dictatorship
16:50.01MonetThe answer was "they all have leaders with absolute power" and I wonder if the popularity was thinking Canada is ruled by the Queen of England.
16:54.46TekDroidMonet: Well the question was "What do Canada, France and Australia" have in common, so that doesn't work.
16:55.44dromlmao
16:56.53MonetMaybe not specifically the Queen of England
16:57.18MonetI dunno how aware Americans are that the French has been dead for a hundred years
16:57.28MonetFrench Monarchy*
16:57.35TekDroidMonet: And 10% of the students answered that they were controlled by the military.
16:58.56Monet"Democratic People's Republic of Canada"
16:59.06dromCommie as fuck
16:59.21MonetI cannot say that title without bursting into laughter
17:01.08MonetThe concept of Canada being an authoritarian police state is that wierd.
17:02.43TekDroidYou'd be surprised.
17:03.40MonetOkay, that might be Harper's endgame to some people.
17:04.47MonetThing is I wonder if democracy is just too ingrained in countries like the US, Canada and the UK for a full-on authoritairan dictatorship to emere and last more than 30 years.
17:04.55Monetemerge*
17:09.26MonetFor places like Russia and the Weimar Republic, dictatorships only really emerged after those two countries became so financially ruined that the public were willing to accept *anyone* as a new leader.
17:09.40ImperiosNot only that
17:09.47ImperiosThere was a disillusionment with democracy
17:09.57MonetJust...anyone who could make the problem go away.
17:11.22MonetFunny how France in 2802 went the exact same way
17:12.22MonetFinancial crash + Straining war effort + Doubt the war could be won = no problem with a parliamentary coup that made the nation a helpless puppet of the DCP.
17:13.20ImperiosThat would describe the Russia of the 1990s more
17:13.25ImperiosOr the 1920s Germany
17:13.34MonetThe Fictionverse: Reflecting real life since 2009
17:13.46MonetI'll bbl
17:16.11ImperiosWell in my case I always based my fiction on real life
17:35.28ImperiosGo listen >tfw they don't know that when the USA, Russia, China and Europe are destroying eachother in world war three, Brazil will fill the power vacuum and take it's rightful place as the next world superpower.
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17:44.45ImperiosWormy_away drom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKW4BGMCB3o So Nazis in Sweden are protesting by *playing Arabic music out loud in 6 AM*
17:46.28dromImperios: Jesus, so cringey
17:48.17Wormy_awayIndeed
17:49.41ImperiosTheir cause notwithstanding, I do not see how harassing people will make their movement more popular
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17:50.03ImperiosIf someone was doing that in my neighbourhood I'd tell them to fuck off
17:50.20CyrannianHi guys and gals
17:50.33Wormy_awayhi
17:51.04Wormy_awayImperios:  You just organise to play louder music in protest
17:51.16Wormy_away*organise people
17:51.43ImperiosLogically, I should gather people to play *Nazi* music instead in their neighbourhoods then
17:51.46Wormy_awayWhenever there is a nationalist rally here there is a counter movement about three times its size
17:52.06dino82_heyz!
17:52.09Wormy_awayhi
17:52.35TechnobliteratorUgh, the Dudley march
17:52.39dromHonestly, I'm not a supporter of multiculturalism, but I'm neither a supporter of this kind of activity or this kind of nationalism.
17:53.17Wormy_awayI think multiculturalism was practised very badly and only made division worse
17:54.30ImperiosI do not think multiculturalism works that well TBH
17:54.37ImperiosFor me it is a means, not a goal
17:54.41dromLet me express of how Sweden is: Extremely dumb nationalism, extremely dumb politicans and extremely dumb immigration policy.
17:54.57Imperiosdrom: So basically Russia
17:55.12Wormy_awayLike, not allowing towns to put up Christmas lights encase it upsets Jewish people is basically excluding them from cultural interaction.
17:55.25dromSweden is like Russia, except more tolerant, democratic and backwards.
17:55.41ImperiosHeh
17:55.54dromCorrection: Put that tolerant as "tolerant".
17:56.49ImperiosYou reminded me of that time when I was shoving yaoi in my friends' faces while screaming "TOLERANCE" when I was in school
17:57.01Imperios*yaoi pictures
17:58.03dromhur
17:58.53dromI wish Sweden would just become a federal direct democracy, like Schweiz.
17:59.09ImperiosWe're a federal direct Putinocracy
17:59.23dromhur
17:59.51dromRight now we are more like federal direct Stockholmcracy
18:00.21ImperiosAs in ruled directly from the capital or ruled by people with Stockholm's syndrome
18:00.25dromPoliticans gives no single fucking shit about what is happening outside Stockholm.
18:01.02Wormy_awayHere in the UK we imagine the Nordic countries as the epitome of social democracy, equality, wealth and environmentalism.  Though very expensive to live in.
18:01.12dromThe politics just like a more "democratic" version of America's block politics.
18:01.35Wormy_awayPretty sure it must be "grass is greener on the other side" thing
18:01.42drom"expensive"?
18:02.05Wormy_awayYeah food and clothes and shit is more expensive according to people I know
18:02.17dromI have no issue with that.
18:02.26dromIt is just our currency.
18:02.36Wormy_awayIts alright if you are paid more anyway
18:02.38drom1 GPB = 10 SEK, about like that.
18:03.18dromBut I don't know about the ratio.
18:03.30Imperiosdrom: Our politicians pretend to care about anything outside Saint-Petersburg and Moscow but otherwise nothing is happening
18:03.57ImperiosWormy_away: My mother has a similar view of Scandinavia, she particularily likes its social democracy
18:04.27ImperiosShe's a communist (sort of) and she thinks that Scandinavians basically achieved what the USSR failed
18:04.43MonetAwayImperios: I think that might be true of many countries
18:04.45Imperios*failed at; that is, creating a socialist state
18:05.05ImperiosMonetAway: Problem is we
18:05.27MonetAwayAlthough in England's case it's probably to do with how London is 5x larger than any other city in the country.
18:05.27ImperiosProblem is we are sli-i-i-ghtly larger than most countries
18:05.29dromIs it kind of funny how I view myself as a half commie and half nationalist?
18:05.36Wormy_awayMy political compass falls between social democracy and Greens
18:06.00Imperiosdrom: I think of you as a nationalistic social democrat
18:06.34Imperios"Get rid of the immigrants because they do not accept our glorious gay communism"
18:07.10ImperiosMonetAway: Okay in our case we have one more region we care about: Crimea
18:07.16ImperiosWe funnel tons of money into it
18:07.21ImperiosAnd our border regions in general
18:07.24Cyrannianhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_liberalism - My preferred political ideology
18:07.35ImperiosLike Chechnya
18:08.07Wormy_awayI doubt drom would be a "UKIPer"
18:08.08dromHah, I'm not kind of "nazi". I do support immigration, but not mass immigration.
18:08.18dromWhich we do have.
18:08.36dromhumantarian immigration in general
18:08.38Wormy_awayThere is nothing nationalist about wanting immigration control
18:08.48ImperiosAgreed
18:10.20dromThe problem is how I often get the impression of holding that kind of opinion automatically ticks yourself as a nazi.
18:10.36dromAt least in Sweden.
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18:18.13dromAfter a little thought, I'm more central, but more to left as I distaste a few cases of left-wing politics and policies.
18:18.20dromMore adaptive.
18:22.37Wormy_awayI don't consider myself rigidly bound to a political philosopsy. I am definably on the left but that does not mean I am uncritical of it as well.
18:24.10Wormy_awayI value what is called the "dynamic society", one that open-minded and tolerant but also critical of itself and others, one that values progress
18:24.36Wormy_awayPretty much any liberal principles can create one
18:26.46Wormy_awayKarl Popper's ideas on "open society" interest me http://www.iep.utm.edu/popp-pol/  https://stephenwhitt.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/the-beginning-of-infinity-chapter-fifteen/
18:27.36ImperiosPersonally I fear that soon our society will collapse
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18:27.50ImperiosLike Rome did
18:28.03ImperiosAll the signs are here
18:28.41dromI fear we'll eventually fall into a left+right vs extreme right riot state.
18:29.28Charles_MurrayI'm always extremely critical of the "when will america fall like rome" argument. To be perfectly honest, our world leaders are not getting assassinated every six months, there aren't barbarians on our borders, our militaries aren't falling apart, etc.
18:29.29dromCases are becoming more extreme and extreme.
18:29.45ImperiosCharles_Murray: "there aren't barbarians on our borders"
18:29.56drom> 2015
18:30.01drom> barbarians
18:30.01ImperiosWe've been just discussing the problem of immigration hur
18:30.09ImperiosAnd, if they do not count
18:30.14ImperiosThere are always us ^^
18:30.45Charles_MurrayYes, though I'd hardly classify immigrants as raging barbarians which are coming in and taking over your land. ;)
18:30.58ImperiosTrue
18:31.34ImperiosThen again, barbarians were not always hostile to Rome, in many cases they joined its military forces instead
18:32.09Comrade_Vinny_Barbarians in Roman times were far from being all brutes
18:32.12Charles_MurrayYes, but in its latter periods they brought about Rome's downfall, sacked the capital twice, etc.
18:32.14ImperiosYep
18:32.24ImperiosWell, just you wait :3
18:32.34Comrade_Vinny_Most "barbarians" were trying to enter the Empire, not to destroy it, be to be protected
18:32.50ImperiosSo
18:32.51ImperiosBasically
18:32.54ImperiosOH SHI-
18:32.59Comrade_Vinny_From the Huns
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18:34.08ImperiosAnd the Huns would be
18:34.10ImperiosISIS I guess
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18:35.08Charles_MurrayCompared to the 5th century, the world is a haven of stability o.o
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18:35.55Comrade_Vinny_Yah, I would hardely consider ISIS as a great and mighty hunnique Empire ^^
18:36.35ImperiosATILLA AKBAR
18:36.39ImperiosATILLA AKBAAAAAR
18:37.30TekDroidISIS is dangerous but they aren't exactly a force that could overrun central Europe and send us back to the dark ages.
18:37.41Charles_MurrayAnd the threat that ISIS poses is insignificant beyond the immediate region it occupies. It has 0 projection power (no air force, no navy, no capability of carrying war over to other continents), and the kind of attacks it -can- carry out against developped nations are the ones they're most built to deal with, and are military insignificant (though culturally shocking).
18:38.02Imperios"ISIS is dangerous but they aren't exactly a force that could overrun central Europe and send us back to the dark ages."
18:38.10Imperios"force that could overrun central Europe"
18:38.27ImperiosThat would be us^^
18:38.38Imperios...Just kidding, we have no resources to wage all-out war with Europe
18:39.10TekDroidYeah but you're not a raging horde of pre-industrial brutes. :P
18:39.18Charles_MurrayYeah o.o The Russian economy is in shambles, and if you compare the military might of Russia vs. the US, you get a pretty clear idea of who would win that fight.
18:39.47ImperiosIt's not in shambles per se
18:39.51ImperiosAs in
18:40.04ImperiosIt is, but we've gone past the nadir and are now slowly recovering
18:40.12ImperiosThe nadir was last year
18:42.03Charles_MurrayProblem is that Russia needs loads of foreign investment in order to maintain the oil/natural gas production it's been enjoying these past few years. You can't get international investment with an international embargo, and Russia's economy is heavily dependent on its energy sector.
18:42.31ImperiosWe're working with Asian countries on that
18:43.02ImperiosSince China is not as intimidated by us as the EU we are trying to work out our relationships with them instead
18:43.06ImperiosTurkey, India too etc
18:43.12ImperiosWe have BRICS after all
18:44.57Charles_MurrayRight, but that's going to be a difficult transition to make when your infrastructure and investment is in Eastern/Central Europe.
18:45.13Charles_Murray(Not all of it, obviously)
18:51.51CyrannianHi Ghel
18:52.07ImperiosYes, that's why we are currently suffering from economic recession
18:52.10ImperiosRestructuring and stuff
18:52.43GhelHello.
18:54.44XhoWell I'm back from somewhere
18:55.28Wormy_awayImperios:  The reason why you might feel the world is teetering on an edge is because of the myth economists and politicians in the 20th century promised that we would live in a stable world with a stable economy, which is not possible.  In the last few years major powers have even failed in enforcing political change.  The world is not anymore likely to collapse than it was
18:55.41Wormy_awayIn many ways a world war is even less likely now
18:56.22Wormy_awayWe have lost or are losing our belief in this myth, the world seems unpredictable again
18:56.51Wormy_awayIt is contributing to the rise of nationalism and conservatism as well, because of the appeal of certainty.
18:56.58OluapPlayerreturn of the spu
18:58.12GhelPeople have thought that the end of the world is nigh since the world existed.
18:58.49MonetWe have a masochistic fascination with the end of everything
18:59.08Wormy_awayWhat I'm talking about is explained better in these documentaries by Adam Curtis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_Lake_%28film%29  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines_of_Loving_Grace_%28TV_series%29
18:59.34ImperiosThe world will not end, but maybe there will be a civilization shift
19:00.54CyrannianAfter the result of the referendum here, I'm a bit more optimistic about humanity than usual.
19:03.16Wormy_awayRational optimism is not about prophesying good or bad, but its a theory of failure.  Unless there is a physical law telling us we can't do something, we can do it with the right knowledge.  So I'm an optimist of this kind, which says humanity can solve problems but not forsee them unless a physical law prevents us.  And it doesn't prevent from doing a lot of things.
19:04.01Wormy_awayFTL is impossible, but it doesn't rule out interstellar travel of some kind.
19:04.21Wormy_away(though things like FTL might be, e.g. wormholes)
19:05.40Wormy_awayThe world *is* heading to an unpredictable future but it not never was certain in the first place.  There is hope!
19:06.01ImperiosCyrannian: Ireland be fabulous now
19:06.54Wormy_awayRational optimists interestingly reject sustainability
19:07.25Wormy_awayThey see it as a problem rather than a solution
19:07.40Wormy_awayshouts geoengineering
19:07.47CyrannianYes. The amount of glitter in the atmosphere has increased drastically over the last few days.
19:09.35Wormy_awayWell, what they are really saying is, rather than set back climate change a little, seek ways to cool the Earth, and seek ways to help societies adapt to a changing climate.
19:09.36ImperiosMeanwhile we sold lollipops of anti-gay activists in Saint-Petersburg last week
19:09.47ImperiosSpecifically the guy who proposed that homosexual propaganda law
19:09.50Imperioshttp://icdn.lenta.ru/images/2015/04/02/16/20150402164951241/pic_62333768d1689f29b4ca3256d830df10.jpg
19:10.22Imperios(that was part of the LGBT demonstration)
19:11.38Wormy_awayThough geoeingeering methods can also heat the the Earth from secondary factors an it isn't looking as feasible.  But I'm sure we just on zone of Disillusionment, which is followed by a zone of Enlightenment.
19:22.46Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Cyrannic_Imperial_Battlestation#Construction_and_Early_Operations - An update about the origins of the Battlestation
19:23.38Wormy_awayThe DCP is proud of where the Libertus have come.
19:23.58Wormy_awayThey consider this a step in the right direction.
19:25.28dromMonet TekDroid: Skylines just got updated!
19:25.56CyrannianMost Libertus probably don't. Such a weapon is probably viewed as overkill to all but the more imperialist Libertus.
19:26.52Wormy_awayCan there be a DCP state visit to the station?
19:26.56Charles_MurrayFrance - Stahp showing off
19:27.51Wormy_awayIt would of course be them showing a big dick to the Xonexi Allies, that the DCP also has another great empire as its ally and they stand together in several other galaxies.
19:28.10Charles_MurrayFrance - :(
19:28.38dromNS - no
19:28.58CyrannianThat sounds like a nice idea
19:29.00dromNS puts all of its forces near French borders
19:29.18CyrannianThe New Republic won't be impressed at all though
19:29.19Charles_MurrayFrance - We don't... Have any shared borders?
19:30.58dromNS - No, that why we are here
19:33.35Charles_MurrayFrance - ; . ;
19:35.03TekDroidFarengeto - Gib Lower Katar!
19:35.19Charles_MurrayConfed of Lower Katar - No
19:35.21drom*Meanwhile 1000 years later* Old man - Aaaand, that how France ceased to exist
19:35.44dromjk
19:36.01dromI wonder why I love sadist bantering
19:38.27CyrannianImperios: Could I use Agnassana in a story? It's a minor role, but also quite important.
19:38.40ImperiosAlright
19:58.59dino82_what do you guys mean witha parent organisiton for the your media channels?
20:02.36Monetdino82: The company that owns it
20:02.53Monetir Fox news is owned by the Fox broadcasting corporation
20:02.56Monetie*
20:04.06dino82_oh clear! Thanks!
20:12.52Cyrannianhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Cyrannic_Imperial_Battlestation#Imperial_Battlestation - History section is completed
20:14.52OluapPlayerBrezank - dum gray egg
20:16.11Cyrannianthe egg of the hyperdvottie
20:26.36dromOh well. I write a whole bit about a *media organization*.
20:26.40dromNag-damnit
20:28.28dromAnyway http://i.imgur.com/idkGGUd.jpg
20:32.10dromWormy_away: http://i.imgur.com/RqOxc4z.gif
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20:36.42HachimanNgh one sec
20:36.47OluapPlayer~cuddle Hachiman
20:36.47infobotACTION grabs Hachiman and cuddles until Hachiman begs for mercy
20:36.49OluapPlayerFUCK
20:37.03dromlel
20:37.15Wormy_awaydrom:  Seen the original.  Wish my whippet was that smart
20:37.26Wormy_awayWhippets are not very smart
20:37.36dromOluapPlayer: http://imgur.com/gallery/FFMqTEB
20:38.48Wormy_awayIt is..  It is.  Wrong.  It is WRONG
20:39.39OluapPlayerLiving the life
20:39.41Wormy_awayheart attack pizza http://imgur.com/gallery/YzbUf
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20:40.48HachimanNgh
20:40.58HachimanThis fucking lapo
20:41.01HachimanLaptop even
20:42.26OluapPlayer~cuddle Hachiman
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20:42.27Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/xhDSk
20:48.25Technoblitzbbl
20:50.20dino82_byey bye all!
20:51.01dromIs it out of question if I put a multimedia distribution organization, a wide collection of channels, in the organization list?
20:53.10dromlooks around
20:53.25dromAlright, I'll publish it then
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21:05.02HachiTopRight better
21:05.20HachiTopManaged to get AdBlock on this thing to get rid of a bunch of shitty baitware
21:11.45MonetOuch.
21:12.29Xhohttps://soundcloud.com/michaelharding/osaka-jam-cover-muse Well I got bored so I did something
21:23.30Wormy_awayCyrannian:  http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Vehicle:Cyrannic_Imperial_Battlestation#Quotes
21:27.56CyrannianVery noic, thanks
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21:34.44HachiTopHi Ae
21:34.47HachiTopAeo even
21:34.53Aeohi
21:35.17GhelHello.
21:38.41MonetHello
21:45.42TekDroidHello
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22:06.08GhelHello.
22:06.40TybusenGreetings
22:09.00HachiTopSo I am watching Jackass 2.5 on TV
22:09.42HachiTopThe rattlesnake salad toss and the experiment with inserting mace into the anus are perhaps the most extreme experiments I have seen thus far
22:09.54Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/8kBzrMV
22:11.19HachiTopThe rattlesnake salad toss involved one of the guys inserting a blown up condom into their ass and getting a wild rattlesnake to pop it
22:12.38Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/eiktmRz
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22:13.14ExternalHello peasants.
22:14.35Wormy_away"That's a long time to sit still for a photo!" http://imgur.com/gallery/ZcGFo57
22:15.48HachiTopThat is a pretty fucking cool poto
22:15.51HachiTopphoto even
22:24.15Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/eGnCIHP
22:30.41Wormy_awayhttp://imgur.com/gallery/eayLBsl
22:32.37Wormy_awayHachiTop:  http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=44397
22:33.13Wormy_awayCould be good.
22:34.45HachiTopHuh curious
22:43.13Wormy_awayoh god http://movieweb.com/movie/jurassic-city/
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22:46.44External_Wormy_away: Will they ever learn that making dinosaurs never worK/
22:46.56External_It hasn't worked for the last 4 movies.
22:46.59External_At al.
22:47.01External_*all
22:47.41Wormy_awayBut dinosaur parks attract the masses for touism
22:48.03Wormy_awayEspecially if the dinos have gotten out sometimes, making them even more popular
22:48.32External_Which are gobbled up. As soon as the maximum population is reached, the dinosaurs escape and eat everyone.
22:49.18External_they al ded
22:49.29External_I wonder how any of them aren't sued.
22:53.48TekDroidExternal_: I think I saw that a different company runs it in the new one. So you've got a couple incidents but the experiment was fully effective and represented an investment in the billions. Meanwhile in the new one I believe they've had the park fully open to the public without issue for years.
22:54.20External_Well,
22:54.23CyrannianIndeed, fictionally Jurassic World has been open since 2005.
22:54.26External_Common sense would dicate
22:54.29External_*dictate
22:54.45External_Don't make killer dinosaurs that WILL break out.
22:55.29CyrannianAnd the Jurassic Park incident was technically sparked by Denis Nedry being greedy rather than the dinosaurs themselves.
22:55.38TekDroid^^
22:56.14TekDroidThere was a lot of safety issues blatant in the movie, though none of them caused that incident.
22:57.29TekDroidCan't remember what caused the dino lose in the US of the second...
22:57.29Cyrannianhttp://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Jurassic_World_(park) - c
22:59.45TekDroidIn both the first two movies almost everything that happened could be blamed on incompetence of the company
22:59.48Cyrannianhttp://jurassicpark.wikia.com/wiki/Jurassic_World_(park)) Whoops
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23:00.13DrodoEmpireHey everyone
23:00.18TekDroidHello
23:00.28TekDroidCyrannian: Still broken. XF
23:00.47External_Hello peasant.
23:01.09DrodoEmpire:p
23:01.11TekDroidSo it looks like in the second one it is a new company.
23:01.30External_Bye for now peasants.
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23:04.36Wormy_awayI'd rather be peasant than rich snob
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23:05.36The_RandomnessHello
23:05.40Wormy_awayhi
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23:22.35HachiTopHai again
23:23.07The_Randomnessayy
23:23.21Aeohi
23:24.34HachiTopSo apparently a Muay Thai fighter has been suspended from tournament after the discovery of the insertion of titanium plates in his shins
23:24.53HachiTopAnd this was discovered after he knocked out an opponent by kick to the head
23:25.55The_RandomnessO_o
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23:29.29Wormy_awayBloody hell
23:29.33Wormy_awayHi

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