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01:34.20CatfaceHi
01:34.40OluapPlayerHi
01:35.48Catfacebrb dinner
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07:39.29LotGHello.
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10:51.10ImperiosHi.
10:51.20ImperiosAnybody here?
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10:52.04ImperiosHi CB.
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14:42.21GhelaeHi!
14:42.31CatfaceHi
14:43.46CatfaceCiv universe started.
14:44.14GhelaeYes, I noticed.
14:45.17CatfaceI'm going to join it but I don't know how much I'll be active in it.
15:05.53CatfaceWelcome back
15:07.54CatfaceI'm quite pleased with the name of my civ nation. I find Confederation of Imperial States  quite pleasing.
15:11.55GhelaeJust make sure it *is* a confederation of imperial states, otherwise the name will simply be misleading.
15:14.49CatfaceAs of right now it is a confederation  but the Imperial High Councilor and Imperial Council are gaining more and more power and is coming close to becoming a Federation of Imperial States.
15:19.23CatfaceWith each of the nations becoming a state (And some of the larger ones becoming two or three)
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15:34.45GhelaeHello!
15:35.00TricarrionHello.
15:35.06CatfaceHi
15:36.44TricarrionOkay.
15:36.50TricarrionDo you wonder who I am?
15:36.55*** join/#sporewiki LotG (56ab347b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.171.52.123)
15:36.57CatfaceYour Wormy, right?
15:36.58LotGHello.
15:37.00CatfaceHi
15:37.06GhelaeHi!
15:37.09Ghelae~seen Wormy
15:37.15infobotwormy <55d35151@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.211.81.81> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 16h 23m 11s ago, saying: 'Look here http://ibot.rikers.org/%23sporewiki/20110320.html.gz'.
15:37.20TricarrionNo, not Wormulus...
15:37.27GhelaeNope, not Wormy, unless he's using another computer.
15:37.31GhelaeJudging by the grammar...
15:37.33Ghelae~seen Imperios
15:37.34infobotimperios <d9429265@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.66.146.101> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 4h 45m 30s ago, saying: 'Hi CB.'.
15:37.38GhelaeNope.
15:37.44Ghelae~seen Xho
15:37.44infobotxho <5ac811ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.200.17.237> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 18h 24m 28s ago, saying: 'Do the math...£700 if I had A's on all my exams in the end'.
15:37.53CatfaceErm
15:38.01Catface~Seen Catface
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15:38.12Ghelae~seen OluapPlayer
15:38.12infobotoluapplayer <c88ac7a0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.138.199.160> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 14h 3m 32s ago, saying: 'Hi'.
15:38.14TricarrionA clue:
15:38.15TricarrionDark chick
15:38.41GhelaeHmm...
15:38.46Ghelae~seen Technobliterator
15:38.47infobottechnobliterator <519a2277@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.154.34.119> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 16h 44m 50s ago, saying: 'xx'.
15:38.50CatfaceThat sure is something
15:39.07TricarrionNo. I HAVE a darj chick, bot a dark chick myself.
15:39.14TricarrionTechno isn't dark.
15:39.26GhelaeI wondered if maybe she's turned emo. :P
15:39.35Catface~emo
15:39.35infobot/wrists
15:39.49LotGI dunno.
15:40.06LotGWait.....OluapPlayer? Wild guess.
15:40.19TricarrionYou actually already mentioned me.
15:40.23GhelaeI already tried his IP address. They don't match.
15:40.36Catface~Lord_HiggiWiggy
15:40.47TricarrionActually, you have already mentioned me.
15:40.47Catface~seen Lord_HiggiWiggy
15:40.50infobotCatface: i haven't seen 'lord_higgiwiggy'
15:41.30CatfaceYou are...a person
15:42.04TricarrionSo you give up?
15:42.10LotGYarp.
15:42.45CatfaceYep
15:42.48GhelaeYeah. I don't really care anyway, else I'd have asked earlier.
15:42.57Ghelae:D
15:43.41TricarrionImperios.
15:43.45ImperiosTa-dah!
15:43.46Catfaceforce feeds Ghelae fish
15:43.49LotGKnew it.
15:44.08Ghelaetakes the fish out of his mouth and repeatedly hits Catface in the face with it
15:44.12LotGDark chick = Telfinne
15:44.13GhelaeAh, my first guess.
15:44.17ImperiosYep.
15:44.32GhelaeJust with a different IP address today.
15:44.48LotGI am starting to dislike Liquid Ink's attitude.
15:45.14ImperiosActually (I am trying not to use BTW), I found that T is evil letter.
15:45.16ImperiosWe have:
15:45.19ImperiosT-ricarrion
15:45.21ImperiosT-elfinne
15:45.27Imperiosand T-yraz
15:46.07LotGA is more evil.
15:46.13LotGA = ngazhar
15:46.17LotG-*
15:46.18ImperiosLawful evil Tyraz, Neutral evil Tricarrion and Chaotic evil Telfinne
15:46.23ImperiosA-ngazhar only.
15:46.32Imperiosonly one evil guy on A, but T-hree on T.
15:46.53GhelaeAnd there was T-okzhalat, although he wasn't actually evil, just an antagonist to the SSA and civilisations in the Milky Way.
15:47.16GhelaeA lot of people seemed to think that the Tokzhalan Empire's evil, though.
15:47.45Ghelae(seem to think that it is or seemed to think that it was, I'm not sure which)
15:49.05CatfaceI thought they was just militaristic.
15:49.16GhelaeYes.
15:50.13LotGWhat do you think of the Sohet Walkers? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:Spore_2011-03-24_18-04-55.png
15:52.45GhelaeThey're... walker-y.
15:52.48CatfaceI like it,
15:52.56GhelaeOne thing - they don't really look too stable on two legs.
15:54.18LotGThey have automatic balancing functions that balance the legs on difficult terrain. Kinda like the legs we have.
15:56.24CatfaceLuc if you die can I have your shirt?
15:56.45LotG???
15:56.49LotGNo.
15:57.13CatfaceOkay...
15:57.57LotGWhy?
15:58.07CatfaceI like shirts.
15:58.17LotGStill no.
15:58.39Imperioshm.
15:58.43ImperiosGhelae
15:58.49Imperioscan I have  a quetion?
15:58.53Imperios*question
15:59.21Imperiosis there any possibility for parasitic organism to gain intelligence?
15:59.54ImperiosUsually, parasites have simple structure.
15:59.58GhelaeI'll answe you when I get back. But, in short, I doubt it.
16:00.13Ghelae_awayanswer*
16:02.37*** join/#sporewiki Um2k9 (562dc5d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.45.197.209)
16:02.43Um2k9Hi!
16:02.53CatfaceHi
16:02.54Catface<PROTECTED>
16:02.56LotGHi Um2!
16:03.16CatfaceLuc, Um, whoever: It started http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/SporeWiki:Civ_Universe
16:04.10Um2k9I wasn't here yesterday because of a school trip (Um + Mud = Unhappy Um). Anything interesting happen?
16:04.12LotGAwesome.
16:04.38ImperiosHm. Ok.
16:06.55LotGI'm gonna go make my empire page. Think I'll call it the Rogue Nation of Revanance, after my NationStates empire.
16:08.02ImperiosDo you know what, LoTg?
16:08.10LotGWhat?
16:08.16ImperiosWhy do you have fantasy for Sci-Fi and sci-fi for fantasy?
16:08.29LotGI like to mix things up a little.
16:08.42ImperiosLasers and robots are TOO. MUCH.
16:09.29LotGIts heat rays from solar storage and ANCIENT WALKERS! They are not robots, they are vehicles1
16:09.32LotG!*
16:09.35LotGlol
16:10.01ImperiosOkay
16:10.02Imperiosstill.
16:10.27ImperiosThat's ridiculuos to have necromancers for Sci-fi and Mechas for Fantasy.
16:10.35CatfaceUm: Do you like the name Confederation of Imperial States?
16:11.06Um2k9It sounds strangely familiar! lol
16:11.11LotGWho says there aren't necromancers in Fantasy? You haven't seen any, yet.
16:12.14ImperiosOkay, but still.
16:12.25ImperiosTry to make things less... sci-fi.
16:12.34CatfaceThey are going to be the Civ Universe's ULE (Only more lawful)
16:12.46ImperiosSteampunk is OK, my Klaxxa fiction is all around it, but...
16:13.04LotGRevanance will be the Civ Universe's main antagonists, as will Xho's fic if he joins.
16:13.04CatfaceSteam guns!
16:13.05ImperiosCan you make these tech more steampunk and less scifi?
16:13.21LotGEgyptians don't have steampunk.
16:13.47CatfaceWhy can't the CIS be main antagonists, too?
16:13.52ImperiosStill, more sci-fi looking>
16:13.53Imperios?
16:14.06ImperiosWell I am currently making the Imperialis, who are suppsed to be bad guys
16:14.11Imperioshowever, they may be allies.
16:14.14ImperiosLike Axis.
16:14.33LotGYeah, thats a good idea.
16:14.56CatfaceYesh, I support that.
16:15.18Imperioshttp://lurkmore.ru/images/a/a1/Inwwr.png
16:15.42LotGThere is debate as to whether or not the Egyptians were helped by aliens. The Sohet Walkers are the remaining vehicles of the Sohet, who were worshipped as gods by the Khep Dominion. There are only three.
16:15.57Um2k9Did R17 return yet?
16:16.05LotGNot yet.
16:16.30Um2k9I see.
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16:17.08CatfaceHi Xho
16:17.13XhoHello
16:17.28LotGHi Xho.
16:18.00LotGWe were just discussing that all the evil nations in the Civ Universe should be allies, like the Axis.
16:18.34CatfaceWell not all of them. That would be too one sided.
16:18.41LotGHmm
16:18.45XhoI suppose
16:18.54XhoMy fiction will be there as well
16:19.03LotGRevanance would be a strong member, for they have a large airship.
16:19.04Catfacee.g rouge nations and banana republics.
16:19.16XhoWhich I kinda forgot to tell everyone,  Luc knows most of the detail
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16:19.40LotGYo OP!
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16:19.47OluapPlayerHello
16:21.36Um2k9Hi!
16:21.47CatfaceHi
16:22.07OluapPlayerHey Um, have you seen the newest war update yet?
16:22.15ImperiosI know
16:22.16ImperiosBTW
16:22.23Imperiostry to make these constructs less scifi
16:22.32Imperiosmmake them look more... ancient.
16:23.00LotGI try to make them a fusion.
16:23.14Um2k9I have only just returned from a school trip, but I will look at it after I finish reading Ghlea
16:23.21Um2k9*ghelae's blog
16:24.11OluapPlayerAlright
16:24.28XhoSo, two new fictions, the Civ and Sci Universe
16:24.43ImperiosWell egyptians with lasers and mechas are just silly, but Egyptians with staffs throwing pure burning light and ancient walking golden golems are kewl.
16:25.03XhoTolochoss Nation for the Civ, Desolation Hivemind for the Sci
16:25.14ImperiosWhat is Desolation Hivemind?
16:25.57XhoXhousthoe pawns
16:26.09XhoThough they're more or less as powerful as the Cult
16:26.11LotGAncient walking golems are also hard to make.
16:26.39XhoI need to improve on their looks, they're quite simple at the moment
16:28.01XhoAside from the Desolation Serpent which is quite cool
16:28.48XhoIt's like this long snake made of bone with many eyes at the front
16:29.03LotGCool!
16:29.21ImperiosKewl.
16:30.06XhoI might make many bits of it in the Creature Editor
16:30.19XhoThen add them altogether in the GA editors
16:31.52LotGAwesome!
16:32.22Um2k9I think I have an idea that would appeal to both sides of the cleanslating debate.
16:32.34LotG.......go on
16:32.59Um2k9Hang on. I am nearly finished writing it up.
16:35.50Um2k9Check Ghelae's blog for my proposal.
16:37.16CatfaceHere w go. Pretty sad rigt now but I'm going to edit it off and on today. http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Confederation_of_Imperial_States
16:39.34LotGWelcome back.
16:39.42CatfaceHi
16:39.49GhelaeHello!
16:40.08OluapPlayerHi
16:40.12Um2k9Hello!
16:41.49GhelaeImperios: The Sohet Walkers are piloted golems made of metal. Duh. :P
16:42.03ImperiosTry to make them more anceitn.
16:42.08ImperiosLotG?
16:42.09ImperiosOkay
16:42.11ImperiosGhelae
16:42.26LotGI'm doing two things at once.
16:42.36Imperiosis there any way that parasitic organism would be able to have some kind of intelligence? Not true sentience, maybe like dogs...
16:43.56GhelaePossibly, yes, especially if it evolved to take over its host's brain functions (or, at least, most of the rest of its body).
16:44.24LotGKay, back. And the Walkers look ancient enough for me.
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16:45.32GhelaeHi!
16:45.33IrskaadHello.
16:45.43OluapPlayerHi
16:46.11IrskaadHello.
16:46.48LotGI disagree with you, Irskaad. Explain how one galaxy is boring.
16:47.17IrskaadWell, a Universe with just one Galaxy looks so empty, and void.
16:47.23IrskaadIt's just lame.
16:47.32IrskaadVariety is much better.
16:47.53LotGWhat's lame is that people want whole galaxies that they would never use up realistically.
16:47.56OluapPlayerYou are both forgetting about the sattelites we talked about yesterday
16:48.05IrskaadI didn't forget them.
16:48.15IrskaadBut I absolutely love Um2k9's idea.
16:48.49LotGI don't. I disagree with it. It's an unrealistic idea that is pointless in my view.
16:48.57GhelaeThe new universe wouldn't only have one galaxy.
16:49.07GhelaeIt's just that only one could/would be visited.
16:49.14GhelaeWell, one galaxy and its satellites.
16:49.17OluapPlayerIf you are going to start yet another discussion about this, I'll leave
16:49.33IrskaadIf this Universe is very young, then how do new users enter it?
16:49.34LotGIf we have a Universe that looks EXACTLY like the other one, then wants the point of having the other one destroyed?
16:50.44GhelaeNew users' civilisations could be races from the old multiverse that were taken to the new one by the Arks, but haven't been discovered yet.
16:50.44CatfaceWell the ULE could have Lanat Prime back and they will still be the ULE.
16:51.13GhelaeIt makes no less sense than having undiscovered civilisations in the galaxies of our current universe.
16:51.36OluapPlayerSince new users would probably nt even know the cleanslating ever happened, they could simply be native from the new universe
16:51.39OluapPlayernot
16:51.47Um2k9This is getting deadlocked.
16:52.04LotGI think that if users don't want the universe destroyed, Terminal Point should not happen.
16:52.18GhelaeCatface: If the name "United Lanat Empire" is so important, and the Tralor would refuse to keep that name even in memory of their homeworld, why not colonise a planet and call it "New Lanat"? Nobody would really think about the "new" part of the name anyway.
16:52.59GhelaeOluap: The point Irskaad is making is that the new universe would be only just enough to support life. Otherwise, the Arks will have been waiting outside of time for billions of years needlessly.
16:53.12Ghelaejust old enough*
16:54.28OluapPlayerTerminal Point can happen with a different ending
16:54.37LotGIf people would like Terminal Point to happen, then they should accept that the universe gets destroyed at the end.
16:55.05OluapPlayerThe cleanslating is a consequence of the Terminal Point, not the Terminal Point itself
16:56.32Um2k9It is my opinion that the cleanslating is a good idea, however unfortunately I don't think it will work. Users are too conflictive and it is difficult to meet a compromise.
16:57.17LotGAnd if Terminal Point has a different ending, then WHY would it be called Terminal Point? If everybody lives at the end of Terminal Point, then it would've been pointless to call it Terminal Point when the "good side" win again. I reckon that this one should have the ultra-destructive ending.
16:59.01LotGNot a pyrrhic victory for the good side, I mean that they properly lose.
16:59.53LotGAnd Ghelae has made a good point on the blog.
17:01.44Um2k9Indeed he has, but it doesn't solve the problem. The chances are that nothing will.
17:04.44XhoBecause people don't understand COLLABORATIVE
17:04.49LotGlol
17:05.13LotGI understand it, thats why I think the cleanslating is a good idea.
17:07.45Um2k9@Xho: No, they don't. But respected users that Tybusen, Catface and Liquid don't agree with it, and we have to acknowledge their opinions.
17:07.45GhelaeIt seems that the only people still opposed to are CaptainTybusen and Liquid Ink. We'll have to see if both of them still hold those opinions when they next come on the wiki
17:07.48Ghelae.*
17:07.50CatfaceWhatever happens happens.
17:08.54OluapPlayerAll Liquid did was hate and insult
17:09.03OluapPlayerHe made no point until now
17:09.26XhoThe only user I really respect there is Catface
17:09.32LotGWe have a majority wanting to cleanslate. Whether they like it or not, they will lose this arguement, but their opinions will be respected/
17:09.35LotG.*
17:09.47CatfaceI'll work around the cleanslate and make the best of what I can but I'll prob end up making a new main fiction.
17:10.04Um2k9@OP: Yes, apart from complaining about dictators he didn't really make a point.
17:11.21Um2k9I personally don't think it will go ahead.
17:11.49LotGI think it will.
17:12.32LotGbrb
17:12.36Catfacek
17:12.49GhelaeFor the record, if anybody wants to wipe out any of their fictions but keep some survivors (not as a primary fiction, like I think Luc wants to, but perhaps like Wormy and the DCP, and in the recent past, like Imperios and the Radeon), the... whatever the Girdo+Tokzhalan Empires turn into... will be happy to take them in.
17:12.51GhelaeOkay.
17:14.05XhoI don't think it will because SOME USERS ARE SELFISH GITS
17:14.22GhelaeOnly two of them seem to be, Xho.
17:14.31CatfaceI'm sorry.
17:14.35XhoOk....TWO USERS ARE SELFISH GITS
17:14.50Catface:(
17:14.52XhoNot you
17:15.02GhelaeAnd we can probably ignore them if they don't make any points (at least, we can ignore Liquid if he only continues ranting about dictators).
17:15.04CatfaceOh, okay
17:15.09XhoHow can you be selfish...you gave me an entire fiction
17:15.17CatfaceTrue
17:15.34GhelaeAnd you've said that you can work around cleanslating, like everyone else will.
17:15.50GhelaeLiquid and Tybusen have just outright rejected the idea.
17:16.39Um2k9I don't see how Tybusen is being selfish. You can call someone selfish because they don't agree with you.
17:16.53Um2k9Liquid just isn't making sense.
17:17.00Um2k9*can't
17:17.00CatfaceYes, once I get past some self pity  I'll be fine :P
17:17.22GhelaeWell, "selfish" isn't accurate. Although Xho seems to think it is.
17:17.22OluapPlayer*Drac fleet approaches Ikrhas*
17:17.30OluapPlayerOops, wrong IRC :v
17:17.30Ghelaetakes another look at Tybusen's comments
17:18.47GhelaeReally, it's just that Tybusen seemed to be insisting that the cleanslating would result in too much effort for him, even though we've explained why it wouldn't.
17:19.25LotGONE USER IS A LAZY GIT
17:19.26GhelaeSo he has made points. It's just Liquid who hasn't.
17:19.56OluapPlayerlolololol
17:20.52GhelaeYeah, that was actually my first impression, Luc. :P
17:21.28Um2k9Personally I don't know what I think of cleanslating. For some reason, sometimes I look at the Ascension War and I think, ''Oh this is great, I wish I could relive it'', but on the other hand sometimes I just disagree with it.
17:21.49GhelaeWell, try to think about why you disagree with it.
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17:22.06CB11Hi.
17:22.13GhelaeHi!
17:22.23IrskaadHello, CB11.
17:22.30CB11Hi. I'm bored.
17:22.31Um2k9I suppose it would be the plot that Dino and I have worked on for the past year.
17:22.47OluapPlayerHi
17:23.24CatfaceAnd (somewhat) me.
17:23.27CatfaceHi
17:24.06GhelaeAnd how much would it be affected? All of the civilisations will remain into the new universe if you want them to, but I assume there's some other major things that might be ruined with the cleanslating, otherwise it wouldn't be too much of a problem for you.
17:24.13Um2k9Plus, the Voyages of the Avenger was supposed to lead to a distant war.
17:24.27Um2k9Plus, the mythology I was trying to create.
17:24.42CB11What's going on?
17:24.51GhelaeTalking about cleanslating.
17:24.56CB11Again!?!
17:24.56Ghelaehttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Ghel%C3%A6/Universal_Cleanslating
17:24.59Um2k9@Ghelae: Hugely affected. Especially with this one galaxy idea.
17:25.10GhelaeYes. It's the hot topic at the moment.
17:25.30CB11Again... -_-
17:25.40GhelaeUm: Is it really just the geography of it? It needs Cyrannus and the Quadrants, otherwise...?
17:26.49Um2k9Partly. It also needs the planets I was trying to create for the URC. I know that planets can be moved. But I highly doubt that all of them will.
17:27.30CB11I only agree on the one galaxy idea.
17:27.42GhelaeYes, you're right there. Besides recolonising planets in the new universe in the image of the destroyed ones - which is possible, but I can understand might not be the same - there's nothing you could really do about that if the cleanslating occured.
17:29.03GhelaeFor the galaxies, I suppose it seems less epic if it's a fight over a few sectors instead of a cluster of galaxies. Is that the main issue there?
17:29.21XhoI think so.
17:29.29Um2k9Plus, I like revising places and characters that I have used in previous fictions. A prime example would be General Zillum from the SGW.
17:29.44Um2k9I actually have several other reasons.
17:29.52GhelaeWell, characters could survive. The places, again... yeah.
17:31.16Um2k9Again, with the plot. Me and Dino have actually been discussing the future of the Quadrants and we actually had a very good plot, which just wouldn't work if all surviving civilizations were clumped into a single galaxy. As large as they are.
17:31.23GhelaeWell, it helps if we know all of the reasons, so we can see what we can do about it (even cancelling the cleanslating, if necessary). I'm actually neutral on the matter - I don't really mind if it doesn't happen, and I've suggested other options to solve some problems like the retconning+resolving - but most of the arguments seem to point towards either the cleanslating being a good idea or not being a bad idea.
17:31.41Um2k9You shouldn't cancel just because I don't agree with it.
17:32.00GhelaeI know. But I don't know what points you'll come up with, do I?
17:32.00Um2k9It would be also wise to note that I only had three hours sleep last night.
17:32.10GhelaeAnd what are the reasons why the plot wouldn't work in a single galaxy?
17:32.36Um2k9Generally intergalactic governments don't work in a single sector.
17:33.30GhelaeAnd why not? Besides the naming, of course. In practice, the only difference between intergalactic and intersectorial is more stars and, mainly, a load of empty space in the middle.
17:35.29Um2k9More stars, more planets, more species, more places to explore, more discovery, more freedom. etc.
17:36.18GhelaeThat's purely psychological. You couldn't use up an entire galaxy if you tried.
17:36.26GhelaeAs I've told Irskaad, several times. :P
17:36.39Um2k9I know I wouldn't. And yes, it is purely psychological.
17:36.58LotGAlso, who said the one galaxy would be a perfect paradise? There will be some hardship involved.
17:36.59IrskaadWe have a lot in common, Um2k9. =P
17:37.22GhelaeIt's only because we're so used to having multiple galaxies that it doesn't feel excessive to us.
17:37.28GhelaeI don't know, Luc. Who said that?
17:37.46Imperioshttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Imperialis
17:38.23Um2k9If I agree with this idea, I would be going against my opinion, and if I don't go against it I will probably fall out with some people. Which is probably the main issue.
17:39.19GhelaeDo you mean "don't agree with it"? Agreeing with it and not going against it are the same thing.
17:39.26GhelaeMaye you should catch up on that sleep ASAP. :D
17:39.52GhelaeActually, no... you might have meant that.
17:39.54GhelaeNever mind. :P
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17:40.09Wormyhi
17:40.13Um2k9Regardless, I need sleep. But I want to put my case across.
17:40.18Um2k9Wormy!
17:40.19GhelaeBut, as we've mentioned, there only seems to be two people who actively disagree with it now.
17:40.22GhelaeHello, Wormy!
17:40.56WormyHey in the UK, we still have slaves http://www.frijj.co.uk/  I want to win Warren, he can do my assignments!
17:41.14CatfaceHi
17:41.15OluapPlayerHi Wormy
17:41.34Wormyello ello
17:43.05Um2k9I will rephrase my sentence. If I agree with the cleanslating I would be going against my opinion and a plot I have been working on for months (Yes, months.) And If I continue disagreeing with it, I will probably fall out with users like you and Xho, and be seen as selfish. What do you think Wormy?
17:43.37XhoYou wouldn't be seen as selfish as you have perfect reasons whilst others do not.
17:43.41GhelaeAs I've said, I don't mind what happens, and I don't consider people selfish for disagreeing with the idea for legitimate reasons.
17:44.22XhoWait...hold on. Sometime ago you said you liked the Cleanslating.
17:44.30Um2k9Thats what I mean.
17:44.37Um2k9Hang on.
17:44.48WormyI don't really know how users will react to it if the fiction starts
17:44.58WormyHowabout.  We do it trial
17:45.13Um2k9[17:21] <Um2k9> Personally I don't know what I think of cleanslating. For some reason, sometimes I look at the Ascension War and I think, ''Oh this is great, I wish I could relive it'', but on the other hand sometimes I just disagree with it.
17:45.24WormyAnd if users hate the idea or hange their minds, it can be retconned or absorbed into The Legacy
17:45.32XhoNo not minutes ago....weeks ago
17:45.42LotGbrb
17:45.45WormyWhat about my idea?
17:45.57Um2k9@Wormy: Yes, I like it!
17:46.11ImperiosWell, many galaxies is simpyl too much.
17:46.11WormyI think we should do that
17:46.25ImperiosConsidering how large galaxies are...
17:46.40WormyWhile I'm fine with whatever happens either way, if the majority dislike the idea I won't keep pressing it
17:46.50Um2k9@Xho: I did like it, I thought it would be like the Ascension War, where my galaxy survives and my plot continues, unbeknownst to the survivors in the new universe.
17:47.02WormyWe haven't yet had enough usre opinions
17:47.08LotGback
17:47.28XhoHmmm...:L
17:47.30Wormy@Um: You heard of my plan for the DCP of it happens?
17:47.38GhelaeBRB
17:47.41XhoIf this idea completely fails, there are two alternatives
17:47.51Irskaad*Listens*
17:48.28XhoIt could be moved to Legacy, or another Ascension-War like event could happen again...and this time a bit more organized
17:49.34XhoAscension War event was similar to cleanslate...but far less consequences
17:49.36Um2k9Yes, I did. The DCP are as much as part of the SporeWiki universe as the Xhodocto, if they are sacrificed then a part of SporeWiki dies! I can't imagine SporeWiki without the DCP.
17:49.39Ghelaeback
17:50.00Um2k9@Xho: Probably because many users came on the wiki at the time unaware of the war.
17:50.54XhoExactly...basically start with more organization with an already-built fiction rather than completely switching universes...that is if Cleanslate fails to go ahead.
17:51.12WormyWell, the idea comes with a twist, the BCC's crystal space will preserve my fiction in a psuedo-omega point http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Global/Omega/tipler_page.html
17:51.22IrskaadI agree with Xho's idea.
17:51.43Um2k9So do I.
17:52.28XhoIt's basically a dimmed-down version of the cleanslate
17:52.54Wormythat could be better
17:53.00GhelaeIf Xho's idea takes place, and we turn the cleanslating into an Ascension War... the only problem is, how do we realistically return everyone to the old universe?
17:53.08Xho...
17:53.10XhoGood point
17:53.11CatfaceI agree.
17:53.15XhoXhodocto won't do it again
17:53.30XhoXhodocto destroyed and saved you all
17:53.35XhoThey won't save you again
17:53.52XhoOf course other Tier 0's then could Ark it back to the old universe
17:54.12Um2k9I like it.
17:54.13LotGXhodoctos....destroyed?
17:54.14GhelaeSo, basically, the Xhodocto wouldn't necessarily destroy the universe, just Scourge all life from it?
17:54.25XhoYeah....mess it up real bad basically
17:54.38OluapPlayerWait what
17:54.39GhelaeGiven that that's what their original purpose was for, it makes sense.
17:54.50XhoYeah....Scourge Round 2.
17:55.02OluapPlayerWhat's that about destroying the Xhodocto?
17:55.11CatfaceAnd what about the Void Order I gave you?
17:55.21XhoI have plans...
17:55.25Um2k9Clone an infinite number of Lezias.
17:55.35XhoNot for destroying Xhodocto...not essentially possible
17:55.35GhelaeBut just in case cleanslating succeeds: for Um's problems... it may be a bit of a stretch, but we could perhaps dismiss most of those problems, leaving just having some of the original planets in the new universe. How many of the planets are particularly important?
17:55.39OluapPlayerUltimate Anti-Xhoddie protection
17:56.12OluapPlayerSo it will be like the March of the Apocalypse?
17:56.30Um2k9@Ghelae: The planets are rather unimportant compared to the plot.
17:56.31XhoA bit more strenuous than that
17:56.51XhoXhodocto destroyed the universe, mostly everyone moved to Universe 66501
17:57.02XhoBut I forgot how most fictions survived to stay as they were
17:57.21XhoSomeone remind me
17:57.33Um2k9The Ultimate God trolled the Xhoddies out of destroying the Cyrannia Quadrant.
17:57.37GhelaeBut as far as I can tell, the plot is only threatened by the changes of the planets.
17:57.46Um2k9For some unexplained reasons.
17:58.01Um2k9@Ghelae: Not at all. The plot revolves around the galaxy.
17:58.04GhelaeFor the Girdo Galaxy, it vanished into a pocket universe where the Xhodocto forgot to look for it.
17:58.19XhoOh dur...but now that's kinda more stressed on the Ultimate God since the Xhodocto are many thousands of times more powerful than last
17:58.27OluapPlayerDracs survived the Scourge with their super advanced "owner is not present" technology
17:58.45IrskaadLOLOLOLOL
17:58.48GhelaeThe Milky Way was saved by Krassio, DCP, etc, fighting constantly.
17:58.49Um2k9lol
17:59.11Um2k9Cyrannus technically didn't exist.
17:59.16Um2k9...
17:59.18XhoYeah...but would they be able to hold back against the Xhodocto now?
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17:59.34Wormybrb
17:59.48GhelaeThe Kraw Galaxy was saved because the Xhodocto subconsciously knew about Lezia and didn't want to risk being petted by her.
17:59.49XhoUnless....the Omni 3 fight them back
17:59.55OluapPlayerXhoddies + Xhosthies + Xhonies + Corrupties
18:00.21OluapPlayerI gotta change their name to Xhorruptus, so it combines :v
18:00.23GhelaeAnd, besides the Omnipotent races, everybody else just didn't bother to look at the history of the SporeWikiverse and their survival was completely inexplicable.
18:00.44XhoWhich is the most feasible idea. Xhodocto don't annihilate everything because Omni 3, possibly a bit more would fight to hold most or all galaxies
18:00.46CatfaceHey, what about teh Void Order?
18:00.59OluapPlayerOh alright
18:01.05OluapPlayerXhoddies + Xhosthies + Xhonies + Corrupties + Voidies
18:01.33XhoXhodocto might leave most planets in a dystopian state though...though rebuild-able
18:02.36XhoSo basically Xhodocto universally bomb you all
18:02.52OluapPlayerTo the bomb shelters boys
18:02.53Um2k9Agreed.
18:02.58XhoNot leave all life as particles...Xhodocto show a sign of good fate again =.=
18:03.09XhoThey still have a soft side still I guess
18:03.16OluapPlayerYell at Draguros for being merciful
18:03.22GhelaeSo, if cleanslating fails, we have a backup plan. We'd have to retcon the origin behind the "new" universe, but that shouldn't be much of a problem.
18:03.49GhelaeOf course, we couldn't do the same thing again. I doubt the Xhodocto would let themselves be tricked three times.
18:04.02Ghelae(again... after this time)
18:04.24LotGZazane - Kamik'Khazurhal Draguros, you commited sin by being merciful!
18:04.53XhoDraguros - YOU COMMITED A SIN BY EXISTING *Kills him*
18:05.01OluapPlayerShu'ulathoi - lolzazanes
18:05.25Um2k9Maybe the nations of the First Gigaquadrant basically said that if you don't destroy the entire universe, we will hand you Lezia.
18:05.38XhoHeh
18:06.05XhoXhodocto however...will destroy the rest of the universe that isn't the First or any other Gigaquadrant
18:06.16Xho*inhabited
18:06.44OluapPlayerYou can now change your name to "Only Gigaquadrant"!
18:06.58Um2k9Agreed. That will probably end the new galaxies controversy.
18:07.14Xho:D
18:07.21Um2k9I suppose that means that Coggies Galaxies are going bye bye.
18:07.21XhoSo, the next question...
18:07.37XhoAnd the Xhodocto's previous galaxies
18:07.57GhelaeWe also won't need to call it the "First Gigaquadrant" any more.
18:08.12XhoThe "Gigaquadrant"
18:08.13Um2k9What about the Tokzhalan Galaxies and the Mortiol Galaxy?
18:08.15CatfaceYeah
18:08.31GhelaeIsn't the Mortiol Galaxy within the First Gigaquadrant?
18:08.42GhelaeAnd the Tokzhalan Galaxies are essentially so, as well.
18:08.44Wormyand Grox strongholds
18:08.52XhoOk...
18:08.57OluapPlayerSilly Wormy always caring for the Grox
18:09.06GhelaeBesides, nearby Gigaquadrants would be "merged" into the First one to create the "explored universe", anyway.
18:09.06Wormyi do
18:09.16XhoXhodocto may feel its reasonable for them to live...because they'll still attempt to kill everyone else.
18:09.35Um2k9@Ghelae: Outside it, but obviously not far from it.
18:09.38OluapPlayerMyab ethey can be "You put a good fight, we will let you live so we can kick your ass again in the future"
18:09.57XhoI suppose, Xhodocto CAN show mercy
18:10.43GhelaeThe Grox could just recolonise strongholds like Ardenta when they return to the universe, though, couldn't they?
18:10.46OluapPlayerBut Xhousthoe, Xhonet and Corruptus are still fighting together, right?
18:11.27XhoYeah
18:11.30XhoAnd Void Order
18:11.31OluapPlayerYey
18:11.50Um2k9http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091222162511/spore/images/6/67/Awakening_of_Dinoman82.jpg - This is basically what happened last time.
18:12.05XhoYeah....but still
18:12.47Um2k9I know what you mean.
18:13.26Xho[[Fiction:Desolation Hivemind]]
18:13.26morgothBotPyXho meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Desolation_Hivemind
18:13.29XhoJust for me
18:13.34XhoI'm editing it
18:14.26OluapPlayerdeletes that page
18:14.31OluapPlayerOoooohohohohoh
18:16.21CatfaceXho, so you know your making the Void Order page.
18:16.34XhoI am
18:16.34WormyAll Xho needs to do is save it and it is recreated
18:17.00XhoI am?
18:17.13XhoI thought there was one
18:18.09WormyI was jk
18:18.11CatfaceNope
18:18.46XhoAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
18:18.48XhoAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
18:18.50XhoAaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
18:18.55Wormy@Ghelae: Perhaps we should update your blog with the latest discussion
18:19.06CatfaceIs that a problem?
18:19.41OluapPlayerGeez calm down damnit!
18:20.14XhoYeah
18:20.27XhoI thought I didn't have to because I thought you made one
18:20.50CatfaceI can make the page I guess.
18:22.23CatfaceMight be better that way since I came up with the concept.
18:22.49GhelaeWormy: Okay. Perhaps you should just summarise the current ideas, though.
18:23.13ImperiosArdenta is other dimension actually.
18:23.16Imperios*universe
18:23.16CatfaceAnd you can take control of it from there exspanding and such after the fact.
18:23.35ImperiosThe name "Ardenta" And 99% of its content originated on Sporepedia.Ry.
18:23.37Imperios*Ru
18:23.43Imperiosessentially this is another universe.
18:24.17Um2k9Does Ardenta even have a page?
18:25.15GhelaeNo.
18:25.46LotGbrb
18:25.49Catfacek
18:25.59GhelaeAlso, it's probably best to keep hte Sporepedia.Ru and SporeWiki realities seperate. If we're going to have an Ardenta, it should probably stay in this universe.
18:25.59Um2k9And apparently it is where the Grox originated from?
18:26.07ImperiosYep.
18:26.17ImperiosWell, so it is our canon, after all.
18:26.19Ghelaethe*
18:26.37ImperiosSporepedia.Ru no longer exists, so Ardento now BELONG TO US./
18:26.54Um2k9http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110131031529/spore/images/0/0d/Universal_Map.png - According to this, Mortiol is most likely in the Second Gigaquadrant.
18:28.08Ghelae"Gigaquadrant" isn't an astronomical term, it's an astropolitical one.
18:28.19GhelaeThat map also puts the Tokzhalan Galaxies is completely the wrong place, too.
18:30.19Um2k9The region ''north'' of Cyrannia in most maps appears to be the Second Gigaquadrant, so regardless of its political connections, it is most likely located in its space.
18:30.54GhelaeMaybe, yes.
18:33.26Catfacebrb
18:33.29WormyImperious inherited Ardento then
18:33.57LotGBack
18:34.38Wormyw e l c o m e
18:35.09WormyThe BBC website is evil, don't ever go there again
18:35.22WormyI got three computer viruses from there lately
18:35.35IrskaadHow?
18:35.41LotGoh wow
18:36.09ImperiosThere was another major ficytionwrite, MEdved, but his whereabouts are unknown
18:36.20Imperiosonce I will meet him, I will say him that he will join s
18:36.22ImperiosSporeWiki
18:36.23Imperiosthen
18:36.32ImperiosFear mortals, ГГС will come!
18:36.52IrskaadGGS?
18:37.05Um2k9@Worm: Once I got a reward for being the 999,999th person to ever visit BBC, and then a week later I was the 1,000,000th person to visit it. What are the odds?
18:37.33Wormysounds fake, like a virus
18:37.59Um2k9I was kidding!
18:38.10LotGlol
18:38.10Wormy<PROTECTED>
18:38.44Wormywho wants to win a slave?  http://www.frijj.co.uk/
18:38.51XhoUhh
18:38.54XhoNo thanks
18:38.57XhoToo many already
18:39.03Wormyi want to win him so he can do my asignments
18:39.41Um2k9All my slaves are cluttering up my house.
18:40.09Wormyi enslaved my parents
18:40.26WormyLocked in the cupboard when not in use
18:41.03Um2k9I enslaved my entire town.
18:42.08XhoYou too?
18:42.24Um2k9All 45,000 of 'em.
18:42.36OluapPlayerI can't enslave anyone. I'm too nice :>
18:42.53Um2k9enslaves OluapPlayer
18:43.06OluapPlayerShi
18:43.12XhoOh damn you
18:43.25Um2k9You can enslave Ghelae.
18:43.27ImperiosNot really a GGS
18:43.32GhelaeNo, you can't.
18:43.40Um2k9Can I?
18:43.41ImperiosГ из Гидраргерум - Hydrargyrum
18:43.42GhelaeTechnically speaking, I've enslaved the whole world.
18:43.44Xhohttp://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/spore/images/0/0c/DesHiveMain.png - Main pic for the Desolation Hivemind
18:43.49GhelaeThey just don't know about it.
18:43.56ImperiosГ из Галактическое - Galactic
18:44.06OluapPlayerOCTOPUS
18:44.07Imperiosand C is Содружество - commonwealth.
18:44.12WormyI enslaved the omniverse.  I win
18:44.18ImperiosSo Hydrargyrum's Galactic Commonwealith
18:44.19Wormythere, beat that
18:44.19GhelaeLiar.
18:44.21ImperiosHGC
18:44.31Um2k9I enslaved one more then anyone else.
18:44.35XhoOctopus? Count the legs again
18:44.36Ghelaebeats Wormy. With a really big stick.
18:44.59Wormyputs the stick in a wood chipper
18:45.11GhelaeXho: Dodectopus?
18:45.12Um2k9grabs some popcorn
18:45.22XhoI suppose it would be :{
18:45.31XhoIt's a Mind Abstractor
18:45.35XhoWait Abstractor
18:45.36WormyI will just get Warren to defeat you all for me
18:45.36GhelaeWormy: Doesn't matter. Already beat you. :P
18:45.38ImperiosHm.
18:45.41XhoAbdicator
18:45.43ImperiosBasically
18:45.45OluapPlayerOctopus is cooler
18:45.52IrskaadWhat nations will you people put in the Civ Universe?
18:45.53Imperiosour Sporepedia.Ru was heavily based on Star Wars
18:46.08LotGI will put a nation in there, soon.
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18:46.15CatfaceBack
18:46.16ImperiosThere was HGC - basically, Soviet Union meets Galactic Empre
18:46.39GhelaeWelcome back.
18:46.40ImperiosTertamian Alliance - Galactic Republic meets USA and a little bit of Tau Empire
18:46.52ImperiosAlliance of Death - something like Xhodocto...
18:47.02Imperiosand Black Dragon Confederation - basically, Yuuzhan Vongs.
18:47.47WormyThe DCP crusahed the yuuzhan Vong and their stupid technology
18:47.55WormyI hate them to core
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18:48.02WormyFor killing Chewie
18:48.41Um2k9lol
18:48.41Wormyhttp://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Chewbacca_Sernpidal.jpg
18:49.03GhelaeMind you, of all the ways to be killed...
18:49.47Xho“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!” - Common reaction upon invasion by the Hivemind
18:49.58Um2k9Getting crushed by a moon isn't a nice way to go...
18:50.57WormyI actually disniss the entire Yuuzhan Vong War, it ruined Star Wars
18:51.01GhelaeIt makes being killed by Palpatine look pretty pathetic, though.
18:51.21GhelaeOr any Sith Lord, for that matter.
18:51.59LotG"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!" - Common reaction from Chewbacca about anything.
18:52.32Wormystupid pond skipping stones vs X Wings.  NEVER
18:53.17XhoThere was an idea that the Desolation Hivemind was going to be like the Flood
18:54.04XhoBut I was like meh and leave that to the Xhonet
18:54.07LotGThe Hivemind should be like the Tyranids.
18:54.16XhoWell then they'd be the Tyranids then
18:55.34CatfaceI SUCK AT MAKING HUMANOIDS! >:(
18:58.09ImperiosTyranids?
18:58.17ImperiosРАЗУМ ОДИН ТЕЛО ХИТИН
18:58.37WormyNone of us understtand Russian I presume
18:58.52ImperiosTyranids are basically Starship Troopers Bugs + Xenomorphs + Flood.
18:59.01Wormyindeed
18:59.07ImperiosI know
18:59.13Imperiosjust I find it cool.
18:59.16Irskaadhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Republic_of_Halloway My Civ =D
18:59.17WormyI based the Mantisorac on the Arachnids
18:59.19ImperiosWarhammer 40k also has Covenant.
18:59.27ImperiosExcept they are atheists.
18:59.54IrskaadGhelae: Everything ok with it?
19:00.00ImperiosAnd Wh40k's Covenant are in fact the most peaceful race in setting.
19:00.12ImperiosBecause they are like "Join or die."
19:00.12ImperiosOthers are like "die"
19:00.22CatfaceSomething I find funny about Star Trek. Change the nose of a human and they become the powerful warrior race known as the Somethingians and can pick up a human with ease.
19:00.59WormyThats the bad thing about Star Trek
19:01.17WormyYet, in thew first battle of DS9, humans pawn the Klingons hand to hang
19:01.25WormyI don't get it
19:01.59ImperiosAgree.
19:02.07ImperiosRubber Forehead Aliens.
19:02.17ImperiosBut I think they are like... subspecies, may be?
19:02.23Wormyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V_tp5C27TQ
19:02.31WormyThey are essentially
19:02.35CatfaceMost star trek aliens all look like humans. Some of them look just like human.
19:02.40CatfaceYeah
19:03.01WormyThe Preservers were resposible for humanoids in Star Trek by spreaing a gene throughout the galaxy
19:03.23WormySo essentially, they are the same
19:03.45CatfaceBut still you would think they would still change quite a bit more.
19:04.19WormyKlingons getting curb stomped by mere humans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V_tp5C27TQ
19:04.32WormyAnd humans in Star Trek are weedy
19:04.58LotGYeah, dem lot of Red Shirts!
19:05.00WormyUnless we consider the mirror universe with the mighty Terran Empire
19:05.18CatfaceThe Tralor would curb stomp star trek humans big time.
19:05.47WormyThe UFP would just get in the way of the DCP
19:05.58WormyThe DCP would clear them like bad rubbish
19:06.56XhoAah computer is screwing me over with intense lag
19:07.44LotGbad luck, Xho
19:07.51WormyI wonder how the ULE and Sontarans would react to each other
19:08.14XhoPotatoes...
19:08.25WormyWith the DCP it would be either warrior-respect or competition, but the Grimbo's would step on them
19:08.37Wormythey are shorter than humans
19:08.58WormyAnd Grimbo's are taller than most people
19:09.30CatfaceI think the ULE would get along until they made them mad.
19:10.03ImperiosActually
19:10.09ImperiosHm...
19:10.10ImperiosI wonder
19:10.16ImperiosRadeon Vs Yuuzhan Vongas
19:10.22Imperioswho will win?
19:12.04ImperiosЩк
19:12.05ImperiosOr
19:12.08WormyRadeon
19:12.14ImperiosRadeon vs Na'Vi in the hand-to-hand combat.
19:12.26WormyYuzhan Vong were devastating because they attacked a weakened galaxy
19:12.45ImperiosSo Radeon will beat them?
19:12.57WormyOtherwise the YZ would get wrecked
19:13.23WormyNa'Vi in their home territory
19:13.36WormyThey would know how to move through their jungle
19:13.38Catfacehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5cKkzclKP0
19:13.40Catfacelol
19:14.01ImperiosWell, Radeon are pretty adept injungles as well.
19:14.22XhoXhodocto are attacking my computer again
19:15.00OluapPlayerYou can't control your own creations
19:15.03WormyLexx sounds thick
19:15.08OluapPlayerYou suck at being Kamik'Shi
19:15.39OluapPlayerBy the way Xho, I have a question about Kamik and Draguros
19:15.48XhoWhat's that
19:15.53Wormy" I    AM   ALWAYS    IN THE          MOOOD TO BLOW SOMETHING UP" lol
19:16.24OluapPlayerI was reading Kamik's page, and in the part where it says he takes the form of Draguros, there's this sentence
19:16.26OluapPlayer"Kamik'Shi had erased his memory so he could live the life of a Xhodocto"
19:16.30WormyTHAT...IS...WHAT....I...WAS...BUILT...FOR
19:16.42OluapPlayerDoes that mean they were once separated beings?
19:17.12CatfaceThat is what ULE AIs sound and act like.
19:17.22ImperiosHm...
19:17.27ImperiosDo Pandore exist in SporeWiki?
19:17.50Imperios*Pandora
19:17.54IrskaadBNSC blew up Pandora.
19:17.59Um2k9They have been mentioned.
19:18.14XhoWait what
19:18.23XhoBNSC were allies with Pandora
19:18.31OluapPlayerAnswer me you foo'
19:18.41ImperiosNot BNSC
19:18.54XhoOh
19:18.55ImperiosI think that Radeon met Na'vi
19:19.05XhoNo they weren't
19:19.12Imperiosafter short communication of so similar yet so different species, Tadjamad send a message:
19:19.14Imperios"You are...all of you...vermin. Cowering in the dirt thinking... what, I wonder? That you might escape the coming fire? No. Your world will burn until its surface is but glass!"
19:19.36Um2k9lol
19:19.51ImperiosThen guess wht.
19:20.05OluapPlayerIf they were always the same, I don't get the "erased his memory" part
19:20.37ImperiosRadeon once gathered a little Covenant for themselves - including Elites, Jackals and Brutes
19:20.41WormyI'm afraid the DCP beat the Radeon to Pandora
19:21.01ImperiosHow?
19:21.06OluapPlayerAlan eats Pandora, game over
19:21.09Wormythey evaporated its atmosphere because they didn't like the savages
19:22.05ImperiosKewl, but I wonder
19:22.11Imperioswhat happened to Pandora them?
19:22.13Imperios*then?
19:22.18ImperiosWhich empire conquered it?
19:22.49WormyIts crust was removed like organge peel for unobtanium.  The DCP decided the metal was useless
19:22.51ImperiosGlassed Pandora can serve as Temple of Spode's HQ.
19:22.53ImperiosXD
19:22.55ImperiosKewl.
19:23.19Wormyand so Pandora died for no rwason.  The end
19:23.38OluapPlayerlolol
19:24.11CatfaceThe Tralor would use the Na'vi for melee training.
19:24.25XhoPunch bags
19:25.23LotGZazane would use them for food.
19:25.34ImperiosRadeon used them as punchbags
19:25.51Imperioslook at vendespode template
19:26.09Imperiosthere are pirahnas eating Na'vi and Oluaposaur captain beating them in Arena.
19:26.10XhoXhodocto would have used them as hunting targets in Hell
19:29.52CatfaceI command thee to vote for Tralor vs. Klingon (or not) http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Liquid_Ink/Sporewiki_Deathmatches
19:30.06OluapPlayerYou ain't no boss of me
19:31.13Boss_CatfaceNow?
19:31.24ImperiosШ цщтвук
19:31.28Imperiosi wonder
19:31.41Imperiosso Vrorekaa are religious?
19:31.44IrskaadYep.
19:32.39ImperiosWhy? They may just have faith, but not be overly religious.
19:32.57ImperiosReligios != Stupid or primitive
19:32.57IrskaadThey believe everything in the world is God's plan.
19:33.07IrskaadThey are a Tribal species.
19:35.09ImperiosYeah. Most likey they just have little knowledge of the world...
19:35.20IrskaadYep.
19:35.27ImperiosIsn't it ridiculous that Radeon have higher IQ than tahar XD.
19:35.30Boss_CatfaceThats just part of there theology and what Imp said.
19:35.30OluapPlayerbtw I updated Shu'ulathoi's PNG, it was called "Nightmare" before.
19:37.31ImperiosI wonder
19:37.35Imperioswhat is Grimbs' IQ?
19:39.24XhoGot to go
19:39.36OluapPlayerFarewell
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19:41.35WormyIQ won't work dor the Grimbo's
19:41.58WormyI mean, how do you measure the intyelligence of sopecies who evolved it differentky?
19:42.28Boss_CatfaceI want to make a ULE occupied URC planet.
19:42.28WormyA dog in a way, when it comes to the world of smell is far clever than a human, and most creatures are more adept uin the wild
19:42.46GhelaeThe whole system that was used for measuring SporeWikiverse races' IQs completely misunderstands the whole idea of IQ anyway.
19:43.08Wormyindeed, thats why I prefer Sentience Quotient
19:43.16IrskaadGhelae: Why?
19:43.53WormySQ is merelt the speed on processinf information
19:44.30Wormywhether it is hormonial sentience, neurological, dryware wtc
19:45.06IrskaadGhelae, Wormy, what do you think of this? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Republic_of_Halloway Any flaws in it?
19:45.16Boss_CatfaceUm2k9: Would you like to see a URC world occupied by the ULE.
19:45.29Um2k9Of course!
19:45.53GhelaeBasically, statistics. IQ is calculated for the human population using 100 as the mean and with 15 points from this representing the standard deviation of the sample: basically, about 68% of the population fit between 75 and 115 IQ points, 98% between 60 and 130 points, and the remaining 2% can be best described as "???" IQs become practically incalculable as you approach IQs of 200 points.
19:46.23IrskaadGhelae: How come?
19:46.33Boss_CatfaceUm: It isn't going to be pretty.
19:46.34GhelaeAnd, as Wormy mentioned, the idea of human IQ wouldn't be applicable to other species. "Intelligence" isn't a universal, objectively-measurable phenomenon.
19:47.01IrskaadGhelae: Why?
19:47.16GhelaeOkay, I'll answer the second of those questions first.
19:47.59Wormylooks alright irsk.
19:48.06GhelaeDifferent species evolve in different ways. Problem-solving, for instance, is one thing that varies greatly depending on species' physical abilities and social structures.
19:48.18WormyI have an example
19:48.20Um2k9I honestly better be going to bed.
19:48.33Boss_CatfaceOkay
19:48.49Um2k9Bye!!
19:48.50GhelaeComparing the problem-solving abilities of two species that have completely different thought processes is difficult. I'll try to think of an example:
19:48.54GhelaeOkay, bye!
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19:49.08GhelaeWelcome back.
19:49.10WormyThe dogs brain responisible for processing smell is 4 times larger than a humans.  What does this mean?  A dogs world is not percievable to us, no matter how cklever our cognitive abilities are
19:49.18Irskaad=P
19:49.40ImperiosAlso
19:49.46IrskaadWhy do some people say Dogs can't see in color?
19:49.51Imperios(do not use BTW... Do not use BTW...)
19:49.55LotGCos they can't.
19:49.59ImperiosWell they can see less colors than we humans.
19:50.05Imperiosno they can. just less than humans.
19:50.13WormySo Grimbolsaurian intelligence is not that similar to a humans, they are just similar at a glance because they have social structures and technology
19:50.29WormyDogs can see colour, but not quite as well as us
19:50.34ImperiosRadeon are highly intelligent but with limited creativity.
19:50.48WormyIn fact human eyesight in keender than a dogs, they can only see movement
19:50.48LotGHuman - Cut the red wire!
19:50.48ImperiosTha'ts why they are religious
19:50.51LotGDog - I'm colour blind!
19:50.51GhelaeAlthough I can't remember the details, I can remember that, relatively recently, there were experiments done with dogs and cats. They were given a difficult problem - some sort of contraption that they had to work out how to enter, or something along those lines - of which the reward was getting food within the device.
19:51.15ImperiosHm...
19:51.21GhelaeThe dogs, due to being social animals, tried to do what their owners wanted them to, and eventually managed to get the food.
19:51.22ImperiosI am making my new empire for the new universe
19:51.24Imperiosbasically
19:51.28Imperiosthey are
19:51.36Imperiosapes whi are in symbiosis with plants.
19:51.44WormyHuman taste is 6X stronger than a dogs
19:51.45ImperiosSimilar to Da Orkz from Warhammer 40k.
19:52.04Irskaadhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Republic_of_Halloway Ghelae, what do you think of this?
19:52.09GhelaeThe cats came to the conclusion that it would probably take more effort/energy getting into the thing than the reward was worth, so they didn't bother.
19:52.10IrskaadAny flaws in it?
19:52.21GhelaeI'll look at it when I've finished answering your questions.
19:52.23ImperiosAksi
19:52.24IrskaadOk.
19:52.26ImperiosAlso
19:52.30ImperiosIrsk
19:52.34Imperioscan't you make Imperialis flag?
19:52.36ImperiosIt is
19:52.40Imperiosa black background
19:52.59GhelaeAnyway, which is more intelligent? The dog, that worked out how to solve the problem, or the cat, who calculated that it wasn't worth solving?
19:53.09GhelaeBoth were argued by scientists.
19:53.29Imperiosa dark green circle and white fist in it
19:53.31IrskaadWho knows.
19:53.31GhelaeThese are species-wide tendencies, involving minds that are practically alien to each other.
19:53.39GhelaeThey're not really comparable.
19:53.51GhelaeAlien minds could be even more different.
19:54.10LotGWhich would you rather keep as a pet, slug or snail? I'd say....NEITHER!!!
19:54.35IrskaadMeh, I like snails.
19:55.47ImperiosAlso, Ghelae.
19:55.59ImperiosWhy do we combine all non-elf creatures into "Dwarf" category?
19:56.07ImperiosKlaxxa are reptilian and draconic
19:56.10Imperioswell, most of them
19:56.10GhelaeWe don't. There's also giants. :P
19:56.15GhelaeIt's not a scientific classification.
19:56.41GhelaeAlso, have you and Oluap discussed more on a possible connection between Carmetego and the Eola'Nar?
19:57.46OluapPlayerWe did
19:57.55WormyEeerrr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V_tp5C27TQ
19:57.57OluapPlayerWe just haven't decided "how" Carmetego came toe xistance
19:58.12OluapPlayerSince he is apparently older than the Eola'Nar
19:58.13WormyA rash that is caused by writing
19:58.21GhelaeWhat are your current thoughts for possibilities?
19:59.22OluapPlayerIf he was created by the Eola'Nar, he needs to be younger than the very first of them, but old enough to exist before Shu'ulathoi was first trapped
19:59.56GhelaeIrskaad: For why IQs become incomparable beyond so many IQ points, basically, only 1% of the population is above 130 IQ points (IQ follows a "normal distribution" or "bell curve": the most common IQ is 100, with the numbers of people with each IQ score decreasing on either side), and... effectively, the further you go, eventually there aren't enough people with the highest of IQs to compare IQs with each other.
20:01.01GhelaeOluap: Yes, what's wrong with that idea?
20:01.33OluapPlayerWell, there are two Eola'Nar leaders
20:01.55IrskaadOk.
20:01.58OluapPlayerAnd one of them became leader "after" Shu'ulathoi was trapped
20:02.19ImperiosHe may become During
20:02.22OluapPlayerAnd I don't know how old Divin-Ra us
20:02.29OluapPlayeris
20:02.34ImperiosDivin-Ra and Felaanith became Eola'Nar in the same times
20:02.48ImperiosThis is during or after the War of Black Fog
20:02.58OluapPlayerSo neither of them crated Carmetego
20:03.01OluapPlayercreated*
20:03.09ImperiosFelaanith may create it.
20:03.30OluapPlayerCarmetego is older than the Vida'Rra
20:03.41OluapPlayerFellaanith coudn't have created him
20:04.07GhelaeIf Carmetgo's older than the Vida'Rra, that could be a problem, since the Eola'Nar should be younger than them.
20:04.42IrskaadDinner, see you soon.
20:04.43GhelaeUnless we say the the Vida'Rra weren't necessarily the first civilisation in the universe.
20:05.18ImperiosWell, Divin-Ra is Venhokwe
20:06.32OluapPlayerDepending on how old she is, she could have created Carmetego
20:09.30GhelaeLooking on the Vida'Rra page, it says that they weren't the first species to become sapient, so the Eola'Nar could have come into existance before them.
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20:10.48GhelaeAlthough, Oluap, perhaps you should clarify on the page - it's life on the Vida'Rra's homeworld that was the first life to exist in the universe, not the multicellular Vida'Rra themselves, right?
20:10.50GhelaeHello!
20:10.56CyrannusHello!
20:11.21CyrannusApparently, if I go to bed now I won't be able to go to sleep tonight.
20:11.31GhelaeWhy not?
20:11.50CyrannusCaffeine for the most part.
20:11.56OluapPlayerVida'Rra's unicellular ancestors were the first lifeforms of the planet
20:11.57GhelaeAh, okay.
20:12.01OluapPlayerPlus all other cells
20:12.10GhelaeSo, basically, "yes"?
20:12.39OluapPlayerMulticellular Vida'Rra came after the unicellular ones, I mean
20:12.56GhelaeYes, I gathered that.
20:13.34GhelaeSo, could the Eola'Nar have created Carmetego?
20:13.46GhelaeAnd would asking if they created Shu'ulathoi be going too far? :P
20:14.01OluapPlayerToo far :v
20:14.02WormyI almost got stung Attack of the Giant Hogweed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ9P1preCGM&feature=related
20:14.09OluapPlayerI prefer to keep Shu's origins unknown
20:14.31OluapPlayerThe Eola'Nar can create Carmetego, as long as it happens before the First War
20:15.11GhelaeShame. From my SporeWiki deities list, Carmetgo and the Ultimate One, etc would be listed under the Eola'Nar, Kavi'Raz would be removed since he hasn't actually appeared in the fiction yet, leaving Shu all alone in the "other deities" section.
20:15.19GhelaeOkay.
20:16.24IrskaadI am back.
20:16.45OluapPlayerIf it isn't possible, I'll leave Carmetego as just as an manifestation of the Realm's energies
20:16.59ImperiosHm..
20:17.04ImperiosI wonder...
20:17.18ImperiosHow would a hominid ape with plant symbiote be classified?
20:17.33IrskaadGhelae, can you find any flaws on this? http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Republic_of_Halloway
20:17.54GhelaeAh, yes, I've read that now. No, no flaws.
20:17.59Irskaad=D
20:18.02ImperiosAnd this
20:18.08IrskaadMy retconning was a success!
20:18.10Imperios[[Fiction:The Imperialis]]
20:18.11morgothBotPyImperios meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:The_Imperialis
20:18.13GhelaeImperios: As a member of Hominidae with a symbiote somewhere in Plantae.
20:18.33GhelaeYou'd have to make a seperate page if you wanted to classify the symbiote.
20:18.42ImperiosThey are like... Lichen, dunno.
20:18.44GhelaeOluap: I think it's possible.
20:18.50IrskaadImperios: I'll change the quote a bit.
20:18.56ImperiosA plant was originally a parasite but then it become a symbiotic creature...
20:21.15ImperiosGhelae, what do you think of imperialis?
20:21.17ImperiosIrsk?
20:21.21ImperiosAre there any flaws?
20:21.49IrskaadAsk Ghelae for flaws, he's a pro.
20:21.58Imperioshelae?
20:22.02ImperiosGhelae?
20:22.48GhelaeNo flaws.
20:23.07GhelaeBut it looks like you haven't finished the last sentence in the "Military" section.
20:23.38GhelaeAlso, one successful attempt to invade the island? What happened?
20:24.18GhelaeI mean, if that was in the war in which their empire was beaten back to its homeland, a successful invasion should have destroyed them all.
20:24.35GhelaeIt could be a flaw, but more likely, you just haven't described it well.
20:26.02GhelaeBRB
20:28.10LotGlol Cyrannus
20:28.25IrskaadCyrannus? Where?
20:28.35IrskaadOh.
20:28.53Ghelaeback
20:29.35Wormylol
20:30.12OluapPlayerwut
20:30.19IrskaadWormy, will you be making a nation for the Civ Universe?
20:30.22Wormyi'm gonna take on this page soon and do a summary of the DCP's opinion on every race they met http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Delpha_Coalition_of_Planets/Political_relations_and_influence
20:30.33Wormyno, probably not as I have no interest
20:30.34IrskaadEven my Races?
20:30.35Cyrannuscries because everyone is laughing at him.
20:30.52IrskaadOh, sorry to hear that, Wormy.
20:31.02WormyI'm fed of questions like, what does the DCP think to X
20:31.14OluapPlayerDon't forget the Dracs :v
20:31.31IrskaadI plan on moving my focus to the Civ Universe after Cleanslating.
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20:32.07Cyrannus_asks a question like, what does the DCP think to X
20:32.18IrskaadXD
20:32.18Cyrannus_Connection issues.
20:32.41Cyrannus_Haha, I stole Oluaps joke!
20:33.17OluapPlayerHurrrr
20:33.19Irskaadhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:CRE_Mortalitas-0bb6feb9_ful.png Lezia - You are so cute!
20:33.55LotGlol Mortasgord.
20:34.08IrskaadYeah, when are you doing him, Um2k9?
20:35.15Cyrannus_Morties are actually not related to sharks.
20:35.21Irskaad=P
20:35.24Cyrannus_So buuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrnnnnnn............
20:35.52IrskaadAsgord are not related to Sharks either.
20:36.03Cyrannus_They are actually descended by creatures that resembled Mosasaurs.
20:36.03IrskaadThey never were.
20:36.34Cyrannus_What are they related to?
20:36.56IrskaadPredator Creatures from Ka'an.
20:37.29Cyrannus_I mean what animal on Earth are they more closely related to?
20:37.43IrskaadNone. They're alien.
20:38.32LotGWhat did their ancestors look like? What animal on Earth did they resemble?
20:38.58IrskaadTheir ancestors are mammalian reptile-like beings.
20:39.50Cyrannus_So they are Synapsids, perhaps similar to Dimetrodon.
20:40.18LotGThis is Dimetrodon http://www.search4dinosaurs.com/rm_dimetrodon.html
20:40.26IrskaadPS: Who are the Trucinex?
20:40.55IrskaadI wasn't here before July 2010.
20:41.08Cyrannus_The Trucinex were a race of zealots that attacked the CSA February 2009.
20:41.13IrskaadWoah.
20:41.14Cyrannus_*2010
20:41.15LotGhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Trucinex_Imperium
20:41.48IrskaadAre they the reason the Cognatus are Zealots?
20:41.55LotGhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/File:A_Trucinex_Battle.png
20:42.24OluapPlayerIrsk, I was reading the War of Champions, it was pretty cool
20:42.29Irskaad=D
20:42.34Cyrannus_@Irsk: The Cognatus were several hundred years more advanced then the Trucinex, so no! =P
20:42.38Irskaad=P
20:43.09LotGWhat do you guys think of my latest literature? http://lotg.deviantart.com/#/d3cfsjr
20:43.09OluapPlayerUm, have you seen the war yet?
20:43.36Cyrannus_The Asgord probably evolved from creatures similar to Lystrosaurus. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lystrosaurus
20:43.47Cyrannus_@Olaup: I am as we speak.
20:44.17LotGLystrosaurus - LOL WEE 2 CUUUTE!
20:44.44OluapPlayerlol shovel lizard
20:45.15Cyrannus_http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Lystr_georg1DB.jpg - cute?
20:46.46IrskaadHow do you people pronounce "Irskaad"?
20:46.58OluapPlayerIrs-kad
20:47.14LotGIrs-ka-AD
20:47.25IrskaadIrska'ad? =P
20:47.39Ghelae"Ir" like "err", "kaad" like half-way between "card" and "cad".
20:47.53GhelaeThe "s" is attached to the end of the "ir", so "Errs-card".
20:48.02IrskaadYhrskaad? =P
20:48.09GhelaeExcept, more like "Irskaad" than "Errs-card".
20:48.26LotGDiictodon are way cuter! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTZbjtGwOkY
20:51.46Cyrannus_http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Sinornithosaurus.jpg - This is similar to the Libertus, millions of years ago.
20:52.18IrskaadAwwwwwwww...
20:52.19LotGAn Asgord would die if it saw the cuteness of a Diictodon!
20:52.34OluapPlayerGotta pet 'em all
20:53.02IrskaadXD
20:55.02Cyrannus_Bye everyone!
20:55.10LotGAsgord probably would've evolved from something similiar to those.
20:55.17IrskaadI wish I had my own fiction Universe.
20:55.26OluapPlayerWhy?
20:55.56LotGWhat do you guys think of my latest literature? http://lotg.deviantart.com/#/d3cfsjr
20:56.02IrskaadI'd have fiction that nobody could harm, and possibly make stories out of it.
20:56.26IrskaadLotG: I don't really feel like reading right now.
20:56.52GhelaeIrskaad: Well, why don't you make one?
20:56.53OluapPlayerPoor Shu is lonely in the "Other deities" section
20:57.06IrskaadGhelae: Wait, I can make one?
20:57.27GhelaeYes... that's why I keep on suggesting personal fiction universes to people.
20:57.57GhelaeIt's not something you'd need permission for... if anything, you should need less permission to make your own universe than you should to join a collaborative one.
20:58.26IrskaadGhelae: Ok. I might start making it soon, not today, soon. And it's going to be just a few pages, around 1-5.
20:58.43GhelaeYou can do whatever you want with it.
20:58.50Irskaad=D Ok.
20:58.53GhelaeThat's the whole idea, after all.
20:59.08OluapPlayerYou aren't leaving the wikiverse, are you?
20:59.11IrskaadNah.
20:59.13Irskaad=D
20:59.18OluapPlayerPhew
20:59.22IrskaadWhy would I leave it?
20:59.44GhelaeI started out with a personal fiction universe - the [[Fiction:Imperial Universe]].
20:59.44morgothBotPyGhelae meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Imperial_Universe
21:00.03GhelaeThe Empire of the Girdo Galaxy is just an "alternate reality" version of the Empire in that one.
21:00.11Irskaad=P
21:00.13WormyLol seen this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfQwXEqYaI
21:00.30OluapPlayerGhelae: Can't Shu'ulathoi's minions like Shu'wokerama and Shu'ytrogarva be related to him in that Pantheon like how Carmetego is under the Eola'Nar?
21:00.37LotGgtg for a bit
21:01.31GhelaePehaps, but those minions are more like part of him than Carmetego is of the Eola'Nar. Still, he *is* looking a bit lonely, so adding those minions will give him his own little pantheon. :P
21:02.21OluapPlayerWell, they are technically part of him
21:02.59GhelaeHmm...
21:03.28GhelaeWell, I've moved him to his own "Pantheon of Nightmares"... are there any supernatural beings that aren't part of him that could go in his pantheon?
21:03.55OluapPlayerI don't know anyone fitting in that
21:04.07IrskaadToragh 9
21:04.10IrskaadXD
21:04.11OluapPlayerlol
21:05.00OluapPlayerShu'ulathoi shares a group mind-like relationship with his minions. They were all creted from his own body, they share the same mind with him, but they still have some independence.
21:05.17OluapPlayerThe only two not in this group mind are AC and Shu'suvreca
21:07.06GhelaeWell, I've just put Shu'ulathoi and the Corruptus together in their own pantheon.
21:09.02OluapPlayerAlright
21:11.36GhelaeWell, now we only have four "real" supernatural pantheons.
21:32.34WormyDon't you just hate it when you are listening to music load and then it cuts short?
21:32.42Wormy*loud
21:34.21OluapPlayerlol
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21:36.03GhelaeHello!
21:36.10Dino___hello
21:36.15Dino___it seems to be quiet on here?
21:36.17IrskaadHello!
21:36.36Irskaadhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Galactic_Alliance. Who adds a dot to the title of a fiction?
21:37.09OluapPlayerHe does, apparently
21:37.21Irskaad=P
21:37.26GhelaeTo be fair, there's already a [[Fiction:Galactic Alliance]] without the dot.
21:37.26morgothBotPyGhelae meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Galactic_Alliance
21:37.36IrskaadLOL
21:38.04IrskaadSomebody must tell the "dot creator" about this.
21:38.11GhelaeHowever, it is his/her/its/their fault for coming up with such an unimaginative name.
21:38.20Ghelae...This coming from the creator of "the Empire". :P
21:38.25IrskaadXD
21:38.48OluapPlayerlolololol
21:39.54Dino___???
21:40.46Wormyhi Dono
21:40.50Wormy*Dino
21:43.25Dino___hello
21:49.27WormyThis song is one of the most epic you will ever ever hear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8VDvOVDDWE
21:51.29*** join/#sporewiki Catface (4459016c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.89.1.108)
21:51.36CatfaceHello I am back
21:51.45CatfaceDino__
21:51.53CatfaceGhelae
21:51.55GhelaeHi!
21:52.01CatfaceIrskaad
21:52.05CatfaceGreetings.
21:52.45CatfaceAnything happen during my time away?
21:53.06WormyNot much
21:53.16GhelaeLet's see...
21:53.37CatfaceWormy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YUuyzQDmjY&feature=related
21:54.03CatfaceYou smile you lose.
21:55.00GhelaeCarmetego was concluded to be created by the Eola'Nar... a couple of Civ Stage universe races have been linked to... Asgord aren't descended from sharks... Shu'ulathoi's been given his own pantheon on my SporeWiki deities list... and that's about it.
21:55.42CatfaceWell thats a hum-dinger!
21:55.53GhelaeI don't think the Vartekians are coming back. According to [[Special:ListUsers]], Richardson72 hasn't been active since January 6.
21:55.53morgothBotPyGhelae meant: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Special:ListUsers
21:55.59GhelaeAnd...
21:56.04Ghelae~seen Reaper_17
21:56.14infobotreaper_17 <79362259@gateway/web/freenode/ip.121.54.34.89> was last seen on IRC in channel #sporewiki, 5d 9h 39m 48s ago, saying: 'IRSKAAD YOU BASTARD I HATE YOU!'.
21:56.32GhelaeHe doesn't seem to be coming back either.
21:56.42GhelaeJudging by that last comment, that may not be a bad thing.
21:57.01CatfaceI could od destroyed him so its a good thing I was not there.
21:57.29GhelaeAnyway, I'm going to go now. Bye!
21:57.30*** part/#sporewiki Ghelae (519c98d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.156.152.212)
22:01.06WormyI assume the Vartekians have been defeated and punished then
22:01.20Wormycool song
22:01.21CatfaceYeah
22:01.55WormyI have a new one for you!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nExfwreAu-c
22:02.23WormyBit like Progidy
22:02.27CatfaceI bet most (Well two anyways) users would break out in laughter after hearing  that song
22:03.03Wormyyeah
22:07.15CatfaceThis is a nice song from an underrated band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhrp_h_BkPs
22:07.32CatfaceI liked your song BTW
22:08.56Wormygood
22:16.23Dino___is richardson not comign back?
22:16.53CatfaceI don't know, I hope so but I don't know.
22:17.47Dino___you hpe so he is not coming back?
22:18.05CatfaceNo I hope he is coming back.
22:18.42Dino___oh ok
22:18.46Dino___then I misread it
22:18.47Dino___srry
22:18.50*** join/#sporewiki LotG (56ab347b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.171.52.123)
22:18.51LotGHello.
22:18.58IrskaadHi, LotG!
22:19.12LotGAt last I've gotta pic scanner in my room!
22:19.23CatfaceHi
22:19.23LotGhttp://lotg.deviantart.com/#/d3cg3k2
22:19.45IrskaadLol Cows
22:20.11LotGI loved that achievement.
22:20.42LotGBut now, I'm gonna need to start doing pic work again. I gotta reputation on deviantArt to live up to.
22:23.14WormyI might stick my fiction on Devianart
22:24.53LotGCool
22:27.36LotGGrimbos would go far.
22:27.51CatfaceI can't play as good as Slash.
22:28.09LotGMr. Slash?
22:29.05WormyWho?
22:29.33Catfacehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOwFkTGndGk
22:30.48*** join/#sporewiki Um2k9 (562eac17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.46.172.23)
22:30.51Wormysounds like a Grox
22:30.55Um2k9Hello!
22:31.02WormyNo, a scientist archetype
22:31.05Wormyhi
22:31.13CatfaceHi
22:31.17LotGHi Um2!
22:31.22Um2k9I love your updates to the DCP Relationship page!
22:31.25LotGhttp://lotg.deviantart.com/#/d3cg3k2
22:31.33LotGI gotta pic scanner at last!
22:31.36CatfaceWell this is a better solo. More clear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZSTFRKIjbs&
22:31.54Wormythanks!
22:32.05WormyI hope to include every mentioned race ever encounted
22:32.14Dino___hello
22:32.19Um2k9http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Confederacy_of_Allied_Systems#Nations - I have added new nations (Well one) to the CAS page!
22:32.31Um2k9Hi Dino! How is your dog?
22:34.25LotGYo dog whattup?
22:34.42Um2k9Hello Luc!
22:34.57Irskaad*Lezia pets LotG*
22:35.28LotG*Tyraz pets Irskaad, making him bleed accidentally*
22:35.41IrskaadHey!
22:35.44Irskaad=P
22:35.49IrskaadWatch it Tyraz
22:36.00Dino___he is finer now
22:36.10Dino___he walks better too and seems more happier
22:36.29Wormygood
22:36.58IrskaadVermulan + Wormulon = Vermulon =P
22:36.58CatfaceWhat happend?
22:37.47Um2k9@Dino: Thats good to hear!
22:37.57WormyI know, I'm sure Liquid modelle the Vermulans after my name
22:38.01Dino___yeah better indeed
22:38.02Dino___anyway
22:38.05Dino___have to leave again
22:38.10IrskaadBye.
22:38.10Dino___it is way past bed time here
22:38.11Dino___haha
22:38.12Dino___see ya
22:38.14LotGcya
22:38.14Dino___bye
22:38.16CatfaceBye
22:38.17Um2k9Bye!
22:38.39IrskaadCan you guess who Nolumrow is?
22:39.47LotGWormulon?
22:39.50Irskaad=P
22:46.57CatfaceUm:How close is the ULE to being the URC's greatest enemy?
22:48.37Wormybrb shortly
22:49.06Catfacek
22:49.16CatfaceUm2k9: Beep
22:50.13Um2k9The CAS and the Imperial Remnant are the URC's biggest enemy at the moment. The ULE would be third, not including the member races themselves of the Confederacy.
22:50.42CatfaceBTW I'm shocked at SocietyofSTEVE. He is far  less nooby then I thought he would be.
22:51.15IrskaadWhat was everyone's first thoughts on me when I joined?
22:51.57LotGI though "alright fic, needs to sort out the capitals in his sentences".
22:52.07CatfaceI don't remember XD
22:52.15Irskaad=P
22:53.04IrskaadYes, I Really Needed To Do That.
22:54.29LotG-_-
22:54.41Irskaad=P It was a joke.
22:54.54Irskaad_-_
22:55.22WormyIrsk I'm catching up with you
22:55.33IrskaadWith what?
22:55.44WormyI'll be 17 in a couple of months
22:55.48Irskaad=P
22:56.06LotGI thought you were 18, Wormy!
22:56.32WormyNah, I'm 16, I first came to this wiki when I was 14, that feels a long time ago
22:59.01Irskaadlotg, want to roleplay?
22:59.07LotGNot atm
22:59.12WormyNo offense to any 14 year olds present, but I was such a wiki n00b
22:59.38LotGWho likes my latest literature? http://lotg.deviantart.com/#/d3cfsjr
22:59.46LotGAnd I take no offence, Wormy.
22:59.53Irskaad*Brings in the 14 year old Wormy to this chat*
23:00.14Wormylol
23:00.42WormyI'll try and act like I was
23:01.07CatfaceHillo
23:01.07N00b_WormyHmm, this is harder than I thought
23:01.13IrskaadWelcome to the near future, Wormy.
23:01.21N00b_Wormyhi?  The future?
23:01.34CatfaceTHE FUTURE IS WILD! RAWR!
23:01.40IrskaadYep, this is the Year 2011, where everyone mocks justin bieber.
23:01.58CatfaceYOUR GOING TO DIE IN TWO YEARS!
23:01.58N00b_WormyWhat is this place, I don't like social sites
23:02.04N00b_LotGlolz Justin Bieber sucks he die by my Galaxy Burnerz!
23:02.16IrskaadWelcome to the future, LotG.
23:02.23N00b_Wormy(I used to be a bit shy of blogs and the like back then :P)
23:02.37IrskaadThen why are you here, Wormy?
23:02.54N00b_LotGGalaxy Burnerz rock cuz me have dem only and kill all y'allz!
23:02.55N00b_WormyI have just got hold of Spore
23:03.12N00b_Catfacehi i like to mak frition on ted wikikia.
23:03.40N00b_WormyWiki's?  I just joined SporeWiki, the users there are mean to me >:(
23:03.48N00b_LotGHar! Me noob!
23:03.53IrskaadYes, what language is that, Catface? Oh, and welcome to the- *Gets taken by 15 year old Irskaad*
23:04.07N00b_Wormy...Wait, I didn't make emoticons back then, or internet speak
23:04.27N00b_CatfaceI slik elnglik
23:04.41NoobIrskOh yeah, my character can beat all of yours, even though they are only Lvl 30.
23:04.43NoobIrsk!*
23:04.47N00b_CatfaceYes, I eas that bad.
23:04.50N00b_Catface*was
23:05.04N00b_CatfaceDONT LIE U IDIHOT!
23:05.08N00b_WormyMy Homo Grimbledon Rex empire has 400 planets
23:05.16N00b_WormyBow down to them!
23:05.17NoobIrskThen fight me, I dear you!
23:05.33N00b_LotGGalaxy Burnerz go every 2 howaz! Me win u lose!
23:05.54NoobIrskOh and I absolutely hate the winner of Eurovision 2007, Ukraine should have won!
23:05.55N00b_CatfaceI clud fight uo good!
23:06.07N00b_Wormyleaves for a week (I only used to visit a few times a week)
23:06.08NoobIrskBring it on, I am invincible!
23:06.21NoobIrskF
23:06.28N00b_CatfaceThe US can never win Eurovision
23:06.41NoobIrskFear Dragoness! (Yes, that was a nickname of mine in ~2007.)
23:06.59NoobIrsk(Start laughing... now.)
23:07.00N00b_LotG(XD Dragoness is a female dragon!)
23:07.11N00b_CatfaceIM A STRUNG MAN! I CANN BEAT U U WOMAN!
23:07.17NoobIrsk(I am foreign, that's how I could not notice.)
23:07.26NoobIrskI am not a girl, noob!
23:07.58LotGMe no like being n00b.
23:08.00N00b_CatfaceU SAID U WAS A DRAGOONNESS! UR A WOMAN!
23:08.16NoobIrskBut wait, this is 2011, I wonder what my future self looks like...
23:08.17N00b_WormyTimeMaster reported me as a vandal again **gets worked up like an00b**
23:08.47NoobIrskIrskaad - Why you, how dear you embarass me with my old bad memories???
23:08.59NoobIrskWhat? What memories?
23:09.29N00b_Wormy**clash of the Wormulons**
23:09.43NoobIrskIrskaad - You'll understand in 3 years. Oh, and Lavos won't be popular anymore. Shu'ulathoi will.
23:09.47NoobIrskWho?
23:09.55N00b_WormyWormulon - Hey wtf are you do here, you look like me (tthinks of quantum explamation)
23:10.15NoobIrskIrskaad - Oh wormy, tell my past self to shut up about being "invincible".
23:10.31NoobIrskAnd why does everyone keep calling me a girl?
23:10.37N00b_Wormyoh shut up n00b or I'll bl,ock you
23:10.43N00b_Wormygirl
23:10.51NoobIrskIrskaad - Lol.
23:11.05NoobIrskI am not a girl! And what is an Irskaad?
23:11.13NoobIrskIrskaad - In 2010 you'll understand.
23:11.18N00b_Wormyn00bWormy - **looks at a familair face two years on**
23:11.25N00b_Wormyahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
23:11.29NoobIrskIrskaad - And trust me, being 18 is the same as being your age.
23:11.36NoobIrskI DON'T BELIEVE THAT, LIAR!
23:11.46NoobIrskMy future life will be awesome!
23:11.59N00b_CatfaceI'm going to make some minor empires now.
23:12.21N00b_WormyLol, when I was younger I was desperate to grow up but now I want to enjoy what little years I have left yoing
23:12.30NoobIrskIrskaad - I am now hoping to be 21, not 18. I am 18. And please, NEVER MAKE YOUTUBE VIDEOS?
23:12.32NoobIrsk!*
23:12.46NoobIrskWhat is Youtube?
23:12.54NoobIrskOh right
23:12.55*** join/#sporewiki Ramis (4404f359@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.4.243.89)
23:13.06LotGHi Ramis.
23:13.08Ramisdiscussing retconnign are we?
23:13.10Ramishello Luc
23:13.14N00b_WormynoobWormy - its full of trolls I don't ever want to go there
23:13.31N00b_WormyHi I'm wormulon, I'm new here
23:13.31Ramiswhats full fo trolls?
23:13.54N00b_Wormy<we are pretetending we are are n00bs again>
23:14.02Ramisoh ok
23:14.06Ramishello Wormy
23:14.10RamisI am Ramis
23:14.11IrskaadWe are roleplaying our past selves. I was roleplaying a 15 year old me with an awful nickname and an ego the size of the Galaxy.
23:14.17Ramiscreepy
23:14.21RamisMy ego is larger
23:14.30N00b_WormyI'm roleplaying 14 year old me when I first came on SporeWiki
23:14.34Ramisok
23:14.41IrskaadNoob Irskaad - Geez, Tempest 2000 rules!
23:14.42N00b_Wormynow I'm 16
23:14.59IrskaadYeah!
23:15.36IrskaadNoob Irskaad - Don't play runescape again, past Irskaad. It will scar you. And get SPORE when it comes out and join the fic universe early!
23:15.43IrskaadWhat? What the frak is SPORE?
23:15.52UmAwayFrak?
23:15.56RamisRunescape, lol!
23:15.57N00b_WormySpore I hsave waited for two years
23:16.22N00b_WormySince I was 12 was a n00b
23:16.40Irskaad(I switched the past and future irskaads lol)
23:16.45N00b_WormyLol, in two years time I might thiknk my curret self as a n00b
23:17.15Ramismy friend was the one who told me about Spore, he quit two years ago and said the game sucked
23:17.26Ramisnow Im stuck on it creating adventures
23:17.34IrskaadIrskaad - Tell me, why do you keep playing MMOs? They suck. move to something better.
23:17.38UmAway(When I was a new user, I thought that every time you join a new wiki you had to make an account. Hense Um2k7 and Moranosaurus1. I also remember I put a reply to a message on someone's userpage)
23:17.51Irskaad(LOL)
23:18.17WormyI kept getting reported as a vandal
23:18.24WormyI was a wild user back then
23:18.27LotGBoo
23:19.01RamisMMO's kick ass
23:19.07WormyI actually recall vandalizing wikipedia
23:19.10Ramisnice
23:19.13LotGMMORPGs are my sorta thing.
23:19.14IrskaadXO
23:19.25Ramisexcept they cost too much
23:19.35WormyAnd Star Wars wiki
23:19.47WormyI kept moving pages to silly names XD
23:19.57IrskaadLike what?
23:20.05RamisI vandalized the wikipedia page for my school
23:20.25LotGLOL
23:20.38RamisApparently someone had the same idea
23:20.42WormyCan't remrember what pages they were
23:21.05RamisI put redirects on the link to my principals page
23:21.15RamisI hate authority!
23:21.45WormyLook http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:OluapPlayer/Archive_1#Mistake_by_User:Wormulon
23:21.52Ramisok
23:22.43Ramisthose were wild days Wormy
23:22.56Irskaad"Dracogona Empire"?
23:23.04IrskaadWhere's the "rious"?
23:23.19Ramisdark days indeed
23:23.27Ramislike when I wrote that RPG in Spore
23:24.06WormyI was responsible for this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ryvita&action=historysubmit&diff=210131250&oldid=210131210
23:24.33LotGLOL
23:24.40Ramisbritish bread
23:25.38WormyI like Ryvita, its crispy bread
23:26.06RamisIve never had it
23:26.10Irskaadhttp://spore.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:OluapPlayer/Archive_1#Child_Porn O______________O
23:26.20N00b_CatfaceI made a new race for my new minor empire.
23:26.34N00b_Catface(That might merge with the ULE)
23:26.39Ramisnice
23:27.02LotGOuch
23:27.25Ramischild porn
23:27.30Ramisreally?
23:27.37WormyI remember the Fev vandal attack
23:27.47RamisI wasnt there for it
23:27.55WormyI think Morgoth reported it officialy though
23:28.43RamisMorgoth of Angband
23:28.51WormyLook what I found on Encylopedia Dramatica, its about SporeWiki http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Spore#Sporewiki
23:29.11N00b_CatfaceEveryone uprate and comment. Lets get it to MPN! http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Matt-190|2265961107%3Asast-500725680560
23:30.20Wormywill do
23:31.14Ramisfuck encyclpedia dramatica
23:31.28Irskaad*To the Creature* Lezia - Can I pet you?
23:31.31Ramisme
23:31.33Ramisno
23:31.44UmAwayhttp://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-moranosaurus%7C500302488262 - On the subject of uprating, well you know what to do!
23:32.21Ramisok
23:32.45Irskaad*Lezia pets a Lanat, again*
23:33.43Ramisif we're all circle uprating here allow me to unveil an adventure of mine that take >20 minutes to beat
23:33.54Ramishttp://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=ftr-adventure%3Ausr-Demagol%7C500611752802%3Asast-500683040350%3Aview-newest
23:35.45Ramisyeah
23:37.40WormyUprate my creations damnit!  http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Wormulon%7C2267110959
23:37.44Wormylol
23:37.52N00b_CatfaceDoing it now.
23:38.25Ramisok chill
23:38.33Ramisdownlaod my GA!
23:38.47WormyDamnit was just a joke lol
23:39.09IrskaadBye everyone.
23:39.18Ramisbye
23:39.21RamisR+ed
23:39.32N00b_CatfaceBye
23:40.14Ramisbye
23:40.40N00b_CatfaceI'm posting my creation on Sporum.
23:41.35UmAwayBye!
23:41.40LotGCya
23:41.42WormyGate84 steals again http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Gate84%7C500528798960%3Asast-500723955960
23:42.32N00b_CatfaceThat little gay butt rapist.
23:42.36Ramisoh god the loser w/ 5 subs
23:42.41Ramisthats not cool
23:42.55N00b_CatfaceI hate people who steal.
23:43.00WormyHe copies user's stuff, oparticulary mine from SporEwiki
23:43.17WormyThe Memory Machine is MasterMachines
23:43.19Ramishe stole from MasterMachien now?
23:43.25Ramisdamn
23:43.29Wormyby the looks of it
23:44.09Ramiswe could have the entire wiki tell him to piss off
23:44.16RamisI would troll the noob
23:44.33Ramisor we could not give a damn because he ahs no chanc eof makign MPN
23:44.40N00b_CatfaceThis kid has stole from me http://www.spore.com/view/myspore/colin999
23:45.00N00b_CatfaceAnd he had to nerve to tell me one of my adventures sucked.
23:45.12Ramisreally
23:45.36WormyUsers already have told him off but he gibves no response
23:45.57Ramisdo you want me to tell him off as well, I'll enjoy it
23:46.10Wormyif you want!
23:46.15Ramissweet
23:46.21RamisI shall with due pride
23:46.33N00b_CatfaceReally
23:46.37N00b_Catfacebrb dinner
23:46.48Ramiskk
23:46.50Wormy"palnet of the dead" crap spelling
23:46.58Ramishes subbed to a lot of wiki guys
23:47.04Ramisimperios,u,xho,etc
23:47.10Wormyindeed
23:47.36Ramisidiot
23:48.28Ramisill go tell him off, the hell sub me lol
23:50.24Wormylol, has he copied you yet?
23:50.54Ramisno
23:51.03Ramisbeign bad at spore has its benefits
23:51.22RamisIm honestly offended he would copy MM and not me :(
23:51.42Ramisnot that MM is abd, just ive been around longer
23:52.29RamisStealing creations and concepts from other (talented) creators is just sad, almost as pathetic as pretending to be original with those concepts.
23:52.33Ramisthere it is
23:52.35WormyIts just fustrating to have every good creation of your recreated, ad him stealing my fic without credit
23:52.53Ramisindeed
23:53.10WormyIf he gave me credit, I wouldn;t mind
23:53.12WormyI asked him three times, twice poltely
23:53.21Ramisdoes he even respond?
23:53.42WormyInd the end I dounrated every one of his copied creations of mine, to make sure they won't go on mpn
23:53.49Wormyno he carries on
23:53.53Ramishe has 6 subs, hes not making MPN
23:54.08WormyHis copies are crap version thats why
23:54.14Ramisohhh
23:54.32WormyYou know what else he does, he belittles my fic by making out his i s stronger than mine
23:54.42Ramisthe paint really is terrible if he was competent at theft he would use the "paint like" button
23:54.49Ramisgod
23:54.56Ramishe should join the bloody wiki then
23:55.34RamisI downrated his recent steal to orange btw
23:56.11N00b_CatfaceBack
23:56.19Ramiskk
23:56.20WormyLook at Xho's comment http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Gate84%7C500528798960%3Asast-500687852422%3Apg-200
23:56.52Wormyhttp://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=usr-Gate84%7C500528798960%3Asast-500687863376%3Apg-200
23:57.04N00b_CatfaceGate stole from me?
23:57.14Ramisyes
23:57.42RamisCatface, join me in flamign him with comments!
23:58.19RamisI love how he pretends to know what an AU is
23:58.36N00b_CatfaceWhat creation did he steal from me?
23:58.49RamisI cant recall exactly
23:58.53WormyDownrate the stolen ones, make sure they never get popular
23:59.13Ramiswe could threaten his subs with mass downrates
23:59.27Ramisand reward their disloyalty towarda Gate with uprates
23:59.36RamisI like that

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