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| 03:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | not to support my employer, just my honest notion: PIA works great and is easy to set up. |
| 03:07.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | 120up,13down |
| 03:07.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | for "Germany" |
| 03:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | "easy to set up" - after you found the right website explaining how to import the VPN into KDE NetworkManager, for me |
| 03:09.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | import, add user:pw, click AES-128(?) and "OK" - done |
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| 04:50.23 | whitequark | DocScrutinizer05: you work at PIA? |
| 04:50.50 | whitequark | also, 120 up 13 down is some really weird numbers |
| 04:51.01 | whitequark | sure you didn't put a zero where it shouldn't be or the opposite? |
| 04:51.34 | wpwrak | maybe he looks at it from the VPN's point of view ;-) |
| 04:54.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, swap down <-> up |
| 04:55.34 | whitequark | ah that's better |
| 04:55.45 | whitequark | how's latency? |
| 04:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | though a friend had a DSL where he actually could do that, literally. Swap down/up BW |
| 04:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | 38ms |
| 04:57.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I guess that is the bottleneck |
| 04:57.22 | whitequark | that DSL sounds perfect for torrents, heh |
| 04:57.45 | whitequark | it's easy to see how this would work at modem level but I've never heard of ISPs actually offering the option |
| 04:58.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, very unusual |
| 04:58.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | he also could only switch once a day |
| 04:59.14 | whitequark | in hong kong there's now fiber to the home everywhere, even in rural areas (did you know hong kong is mostly mountains and villages by area, not those high-rises everyone thinks of?) |
| 04:59.29 | whitequark | the absolute worst cheapest plan that i've got is 300mbps symmetric |
| 04:59.42 | whitequark | they offer up to 10g down 2.5g up |
| 05:00.10 | whitequark | I cannot fathom what purpose could having 10gbps of bandwidth at one's home possibly serve |
| 05:01.06 | whitequark | last time I was downloading 30TB of archives, my hard drives bottomed out at around 180mbps, limited by random I/O |
| 05:03.11 | wpwrak | 10 Gb sounds useful for people participating in the great distributed cultural heritage archival project, aka download every movie that appears on the usual torrent sites in the highest quality available |
| 05:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | whitequark: http://neo900.org/news/joerg-pia-2018-03-01 |
| 05:03.48 | whitequark | wpwrak: like I said, you're now limited by, at least, hard drives |
| 05:04.21 | whitequark | you're also likely limited by the CPU consumed by verifying blocks, and by the I/O subsystem in the kernel, and by your torrent client, none of which are up to the task of handling even 300mbps (I looked!) |
| 05:05.52 | whitequark | you'll need something absurdly beefy like one of those multisocket xeon motherboards, dozens of 7200rpm hard drives with RAID... |
| 05:06.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | whitequark: maybe that's exactly the point: when your local drives are "so slow", better get the data from the cloud |
| 05:06.23 | whitequark | ... and then you'll just bottom out the upload bandwidth of everyone else in the torrent swarm |
| 05:06.27 | whitequark | singlehandedly and simultaneously |
| 05:07.01 | whitequark | I don't think you can actually achieve 10g down even if you're downloading the entire set of movies on rutracker.org |
| 05:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I usually do this already with my 400mb down cable |
| 05:07.14 | whitequark | DocScrutinizer05: this = ? |
| 05:07.20 | wpwrak | then they feel weak and ask for faster uplinks -> $$$ for the isp. see, it's all a conspiracy :) |
| 05:07.48 | whitequark | oh it's not even that expensive |
| 05:07.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | hit / exceed the upload BW of the speedtest and any otherservers |
| 05:08.31 | whitequark | I think their 2gbps plan is around 90 USD per month with commitment |
| 05:08.54 | whitequark | the 10gbps plan is "call us", I presume because they also want to know what the hell are you planning to do with it |
| 05:09.38 | whitequark | or even ask if you have the hardware to handle the bandwidth |
| 05:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I honestly wouldn't need those 400 down, I only got it for the associated 25 up |
| 05:11.37 | whitequark | back in Moscow when I needed a lot of DL bandwidth I actually simultaneously called two ISPs and got two uplinks |
| 05:11.58 | whitequark | then... then I discovered that any old router just cannot handle doing NAT on more than around 80mbps |
| 05:12.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I got a real router here |
| 05:12.56 | whitequark | so I had to get an EdgeRouter Lite to actually utilize that bandwidth |
| 05:13.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ERpro8 :-) |
| 05:13.14 | wpwrak | the "call us" is probably for the marketing department: "please tell us what this could possibly be used for" |
| 05:13.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or 'please tell us what you're willing to pay for it' |
| 05:14.17 | whitequark | wpwrak: their marketing department already struggles with slower plans so that sounds about right |
| 05:14.26 | whitequark | for 2g they actually split it into two 1g uplinks |
| 05:14.39 | whitequark | so that you can watch IPTV on one and do low-latency gaming on another |
| 05:14.45 | whitequark | what happened to ToS? |
| 05:17.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
| 05:17.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | my IPTV eats max 30Mb/s |
| 05:18.27 | whitequark | maybe they want you streaming movies in 4K or something |
| 05:18.36 | whitequark | though I'm not sure where would you even *find* movies in 4K |
| 05:19.27 | whitequark | DocScrutinizer05: oh fun fact |
| 05:19.35 | whitequark | their IP backbone is only 4tbps |
| 05:20.16 | whitequark | so if 500 customers sign up for that 10gbps plan they can eat PCCW's entire connectivity |
| 05:23.08 | wpwrak | (4k) hmm, if you search for 2160p you should find some stuff |
| 05:24.16 | whitequark | wpwrak: oh they actually tell you how much it costs |
| 05:24.33 | whitequark | 345 USD per month plus 230 USD installation fee |
| 05:25.50 | whitequark | and they connect your PC via a Thunderbolt LAN interface |
| 05:28.26 | wpwrak | eww. appletech |
| 05:29.45 | whitequark | I have a Thunderbolt 3 interface in my Dell XPS 13 9360 |
| 05:30.40 | whitequark | I think it even works on Linux |
| 05:38.55 | whitequark | it's kind of amusing though |
| 05:39.04 | whitequark | my *previous* plan was ADSL with 8 Mbps down 1 Mbps up |
| 05:39.29 | whitequark | I imagine this ISP upgrades equipment once every 20 years, but when they do, they do it for 20 years in the future |
| 05:50.06 | wpwrak | my isp recently upgraded me to ~13 Mbps. good enough for what i do :) |
| 05:57.27 | wpwrak | nominally it's ... checking ... 25 Mbps. ah well, 50% overhead and lossage :) |
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| 21:26.20 | opbolt | is there such a thing as a isolated dc-dc buck usb power supply? |
| 21:27.10 | opbolt | isolated dc-dc 5v convters yes but still need the fancy current indication for phones |
| 21:48.28 | opbolt | arr i see theres now china usb isolators at last, couldnt find them before https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?initiative_id=SB_20180319132754&site=glo&g=y&SearchText=usb+isolator&needQuery=n&page=3 |
| 21:52.42 | opbolt | heres one, not sure if it has phone current indication circuity https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-isolated-power-module-vehicle-mounted-power-USB-output-suitable-for-mobile-phone-charging-navigation-power/32773769334.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.116.4e506221Hp6yR9&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10152_10151_10065_10344_10130_10068_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10340_10548_10341_10696_10192_10190_10084_10083_10618_10307_10301_10 |
| 21:52.42 | opbolt | 303_10313_10059_10184_10534_100031_10103_10624_10623_443_10622_10621_10620,searchweb201603_2,ppcSwitch_2&algo_expid=134e409c-972f-4830-adc1-b0b51b326e63-17&algo_pvid=134e409c-972f-4830-adc1-b0b51b326e63&transAbTest=ae803_4&priceBeautifyAB=0 |
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| 23:41.26 | opbolt | or what about this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2pcs-lot-DC-DC-step-down-power-supply-module-input-DC12-80-V-output5VA-ISOLATED-buck/32826051055.html |
| 23:41.37 | opbolt | looks cheap, |
| 23:41.42 | opbolt | noisy? |