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| 19:35.10 | Ornotermes | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device-phone#/ |
| 19:42.08 | Ornotermes | I really hope they're succsessful, because it looks like a really cool device. The only thing is that I fell it might not be a great replacement for a phone. |
| 20:02.07 | kyak | looks cool |
| 20:05.04 | wpwrak | keyboard labeling looks a bit problematic. the lower-case letters may be hard to read, especially in the dark. |
| 20:05.18 | Ornotermes | I'm guessing you won't get away from blobs in Linux |
| 20:05.24 | kyak | i'd buy it for the qwerty keyboard. But i won't because it's still too expensive :) |
| 20:06.32 | kyak | and LInux, of course. Even with the blobs |
| 20:07.21 | Ornotermes | there is the WiFi version if you only would want it to complement your phone |
| 20:09.28 | Ornotermes | If it was my only device I would like to be able to run the same Linux instance directly on the hardware and in a VM under Android as well |
| 20:09.35 | kyak | yeah, that would be cheaper.. And i could share 4G from the phone just in case |
| 20:10.06 | kyak | Ornotermes: what would be the use case for that? or the reason to do that? |
| 20:10.38 | Ornotermes | not having to reboot to use linux, having to abort or possibly miss calls |
| 20:11.13 | kyak | i think it would be great to run Linux as a base, and to be able to run Android in some kind of chroot |
| 20:11.41 | Ornotermes | having access to the linux filesystem from android would be great too |
| 20:12.54 | Ornotermes | well, the main thing fo me is that I would be more likely to want good graphics performance in Android, if that works I would be happy |
| 20:14.26 | Ornotermes | but I cant really say I need it at all, I have my phone, my desktop computer and my laptop, that covers almost very need |
| 20:14.45 | Ornotermes | every need* |
| 20:32.07 | opbolt | yea ive fancied the gemini too but from my searching, they seam to have not given consideration for free software firmware and drivers for the hardware choices they made. There for, i expect it to be suckly to run a gnu/linux system on. with poor support, lack of updates, and non-free blobs. |
| 20:32.53 | opbolt | pyra is not much better non-free blobs wise but it will work and get some support and updates. |
| 20:33.51 | opbolt | depressing really |
| 20:34.54 | Ornotermes | yeah, I think the biggest pottle neck is the GPUs, if they would start being open the rest would probably follow. |
| 20:35.04 | opbolt | i really fancy a eoma-68 handheld :). i suspect such a thing would be more likey to have better free software and gnu/linux support. |
| 20:35.46 | opbolt | cus then one can pick the lessor of the evil cpu card avablibe at the time, and swap it out for a more free cpu card in the future. |
| 20:36.33 | opbolt | where the pyras cpu module is limited to pyra only. so we will be lucky to see 1 cpu module upgrade |
| 20:37.31 | opbolt | wheres eoma68 cards are shared between many many devices, there for each new card can be potently enjoyed by every thing. |
| 20:37.48 | opbolt | anyway, i can go on about it |
| 20:37.59 | opbolt | i should put efforts in to doing something to help it |
| 20:38.06 | opbolt | instead of writing on irc |
| 20:38.10 | Ornotermes | think there is a few x86 handhelds as well, now at reasoable prices... but I suppose they don't have the same power saving features as some other devices |
| 20:38.22 | opbolt | i have gpd pocket |
| 20:38.37 | opbolt | suspend can jsut about last the night |
| 20:38.57 | opbolt | i advise using shutdown if more than a few hours |
| 20:39.46 | opbolt | lid shut detect seams to be unreliable for me. :/ |
| 20:39.57 | opbolt | had to disable suspend on lid close |
| 20:41.07 | Ornotermes | it's a shame it's so expencive to make a decent small keyboard |
| 20:41.07 | opbolt | nice and powerful though, 8gb ram yum yum. for computing specs, it was cheaper then large laptop. idk how cpus compare but for the same price nothing had 8gb ram. |
| 20:42.22 | opbolt | Ornotermes, yea, a reason why ya only want to make a keyboard once :). mozzwald on #zipit was doing some experiments with diy keyboards for handhelds |
| 20:42.41 | opbolt | *why ya might only want to make ... once |
| 20:42.51 | Ornotermes | I got a used ThinkPad Carbon X1 2016 for a good price (2000 SEK) but it have a few issues but I can live with it |
| 20:43.41 | opbolt | sounds good |
| 20:44.11 | opbolt | heh i use my zipit for music, gps, notes, recording |
| 20:44.23 | opbolt | £20 for old little handheld thing |
| 20:44.37 | Ornotermes | opbolt: I'm not really saying I would want to make only one, but han't seen a good solution |
| 20:45.02 | opbolt | yea |
| 20:46.33 | opbolt | i meant, its such a struggle to make a device at all, yet projects still make there $device like the big boys do. by designing around a soc. which means it had a more limited life than if it was designed around generic module. |
| 20:46.36 | Ornotermes | would be nice if someone made the plastic part and pcb layout as components for circuit board packages |
| 20:47.51 | opbolt | thats kind of what eoma68 does. the ram, cpu, gpu, is in the hard. so a more simple was it 2layer? pcb board can be made for the device (aka housing) |
| 20:48.03 | opbolt | edit: |
| 20:48.35 | opbolt | thats kind of what eoma68 does. the ram, cpu, gpu, is hard to do, so its a ready done module. so a more simple (was it 2layer?) pcb board can be made for the device (aka housing) |
| 20:48.49 | opbolt | *so its in a |
| 20:49.07 | Ornotermes | There is a lot of people making handhelds and stuff from embedded boards like raspberry pi, but there is no great solutions for keyboards, usualy people have to use a bluetooth keyboard |
| 20:49.16 | opbolt | yea |
| 20:49.41 | opbolt | its anoying. there trying to do something with what they have |
| 20:50.21 | opbolt | i guess someone is gona have to make there own keyboard boards to sell to people |
| 20:50.56 | opbolt | mozzwald was having a go and making his own keyb oard: |
| 20:51.03 | opbolt | http://mozzwald.com/ |
| 20:52.36 | Ornotermes | looks pretty decent |
| 20:53.11 | Ornotermes | if someone would make that as a product it could be nice |
| 20:54.56 | Ornotermes | a pcb component you drop in in your PCB tool, a dome sheet, kaycaps and a frame that can be screwed in |
| 20:55.49 | Ornotermes | but not as nice as a psion style keyboard :) |