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| 08:59.16 | wpwrak | whitequark: btw, would be nice to have a shortcut for editing group names from the list of groups, without having to select the group, edit there, then return |
| 09:11.41 | wpwrak | hmm .. no autosave before the first "save as" ? just crashed on me :( |
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| 09:31.36 | wpwrak | whitequark: now, a very simple problem: i want to make a box for a display. i start with the sides: i draw the module rectanglt (as construction), then with a little offset the inside of the side walls, and with another offset their outside. extrude, all fine. |
| 09:32.19 | wpwrak | next, the top. there i put a workplane on the top of the walls, make one rectangle, extrude, set thickness. couldn't be easier. |
| 09:34.06 | wpwrak | now, the window opening. for this i go back to the sketch with the walls since they have the geometry of the actual display. i add a new workplane on top, then construct a suitable rectangle, and extrude. |
| 09:35.38 | wpwrak | now, first problem: this should have the same thickness as the top, but when i select the top so that i can select its thickness, "home" disappears, so i can't go back to the group of the extruded window. |
| 09:38.33 | wpwrak | (i need to go to the group of the extruded window since part of the edges that define the thickness is hidden inside the top, and if i try to set a length (thickness) on what is visible, i just get a REF, if i set an equivalence, (of course) an error |
| 09:38.42 | wpwrak | ) |
| 09:39.34 | wpwrak | but okay, i can just set the length independently and slvs is happy. but then comes the real problem: when i set the window to "difference", nothing happens. |
| 09:40.28 | wpwrak | i guess slvs applies the "difference" to the "parent", i.e., the side walls, which already have a big hole there, but not the whole model ? |
| 09:47.24 | wpwrak | this is the bothersome critter: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/slvs/box.slvs |
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| 11:41.32 | whitequark | wpwrak: (shortcut for editing group names) ehhh... seems like too much clutter on the main display to me |
| 11:41.47 | whitequark | (no autosave before 1st save as) indeed |
| 11:41.54 | whitequark | what was the crash? |
| 11:43.21 | whitequark | (bothersome critter) I see a few issues |
| 11:44.42 | whitequark | in g002, you don't have a closed contour |
| 11:44.51 | whitequark | so the extrusion in g003 fails |
| 11:47.12 | whitequark | the second issue is that you've put g006 after g003, this happens if you have created g006 after g003 was active |
| 11:47.21 | whitequark | erm, s/after/when/ s/was/is/ |
| 11:47.49 | whitequark | so the order of booleans is "extrude walls" "remove the window" (from empty space) "extrude top" |
| 11:49.29 | wpwrak | (crash) i think that was when i was adding a point to the "window" sketch. quite unexpected. alas, didn't record the traceback, and it hasn't happened again. |
| 11:54.29 | whitequark | wpwrak: I think I know what the crash was, pull from master |
| 11:54.30 | wpwrak | (g002) oh strange. thought it had worked. maybe it did before the crash, then failed in the 2nd try, but i didn't even pay attention. fixed, thanks ! |
| 11:55.04 | whitequark | anyway, the way you can fix this is by deleting g006 and activating g005 before creating it |
| 11:55.13 | whitequark | so that you have something to subtract from |
| 11:55.15 | wpwrak | the the order, i needed to select g003 to anchor the workplane, since i need the geometry from g003, not g004 |
| 11:55.25 | whitequark | huh? how so? |
| 11:55.54 | wpwrak | err no ... |
| 11:56.22 | wpwrak | not g005 i mean |
| 11:56.54 | whitequark | that still doesn't make sense |
| 11:57.03 | whitequark | all of the geometry from g003 is present when g005 is selected |
| 11:58.01 | whitequark | if you are having a hard time *selecting* it with a mouse, remove the "shown" check, "show solid model" and/or activate "draw invisible lines" |
| 11:58.02 | wpwrak | not the inner wall or the construction rectangle on the inside |
| 11:58.49 | whitequark | sure it is: https://imgur.com/a/PH0VE |
| 11:59.11 | wpwrak | ah ... when toggling the cube, they eventually appear |
| 11:59.47 | wpwrak | kewl. that should work then. thanks ! |
| 12:00.26 | wpwrak | btw, is the list of groups really a linear list or a tree ? e.g. would a diff in my current g005 also affect g007 ? |
| 12:00.35 | whitequark | you could also set the construction stuff to some vibrant color: https://imgur.com/a/g0Wro |
| 12:00.43 | whitequark | the list of groups is a linear list |
| 12:01.06 | whitequark | but you can add groups in the middle, because that lets you avoid rebuilding the entire sketch in certain cases |
| 12:01.19 | whitequark | unfortunately... that feature also seems to have added confusion, which is very unfortunate |
| 12:01.29 | whitequark | (vibrant color) especially once I fix the color selector bug. |
| 12:01.30 | wpwrak | heh :) |
| 12:01.58 | wpwrak | you could solve some of the issues by supporting reattaching work planes :) |
| 12:02.05 | wpwrak | that is, "moving" |
| 12:02.15 | whitequark | from one origin point to another? yeah |
| 12:02.20 | wpwrak | yup |
| 12:02.27 | whitequark | I don't really know what UI to add for this yet, but it's planne |
| 12:02.36 | whitequark | btw we have #solvespace on freenode.net |
| 12:04.11 | wpwrak | ah, let's use that then |
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| 15:31.18 | wpwrak | just-in-time delivery, updated: 3D print finishes just when DHL delivers the parts that go into the piece i printed :) |
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| 17:35.42 | strawberyargon | airport security check advice? |
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| 17:37.37 | wpwrak | strawberyargon: don't carry water, guns, or weapons of mass destruction (samsung galaxy whateveritwas) :) |
| 17:48.21 | strawberyargon | wpwrak, what about this: https://transfer.sh/zd271/img-5521.jpg |
| 17:48.30 | strawberyargon | https://transfer.sh/VDKxt/img-5522.jpg |
| 17:49.04 | strawberyargon | https://transfer.sh/VKINh/img-5523.jpg |
| 17:49.20 | strawberyargon | the little lcd display will have numbers on it |
| 17:49.41 | strawberyargon | including a time remaining... |
| 17:49.45 | strawberyargon | hmm |
| 17:50.05 | strawberyargon | the numbers wont be changing when its not in use |
| 17:51.52 | strawberyargon | i need to take as carry on due to the battery. the box was ment to make it safer/"more professional". while i was at it i added extras on top of the little battery capacity monitor, hench time remaining |
| 17:53.14 | whitequark | strawberyargon: country? |
| 17:53.40 | strawberyargon | uk toLanzarote |
| 17:53.44 | strawberyargon | uk to #Lanzarote |
| 17:54.16 | whitequark | to, uhm, one of the Canary Islands? |
| 17:54.21 | strawberyargon | (spain) |
| 17:54.38 | strawberyargon | where http://totalism.org/ is |
| 17:55.03 | whitequark | ok. i'm not really familiar with uk security and customs |
| 17:55.12 | strawberyargon | ok then |
| 17:55.15 | whitequark | it does sound like you may have to do some explaining |
| 17:55.20 | strawberyargon | oh no |
| 17:55.26 | whitequark | personally I would put that into luggage and disconnect the battery |
| 17:55.35 | whitequark | just put the battery in carry-on |
| 17:55.42 | strawberyargon | i doupt they will notice the time remaining. its a smaller number |
| 17:55.59 | whitequark | the entire box is not exactly confidence-inspiring |
| 17:56.08 | whitequark | also not sure how interesting will it look on x-ray |
| 17:56.15 | strawberyargon | sigh... the box was supposed to protect battery during carry on... |
| 17:57.23 | whitequark | protect? |
| 17:57.30 | strawberyargon | looks like ya cant win when trying to comply with lithium batt rules |
| 17:57.39 | strawberyargon | yea a hard box |
| 17:58.04 | whitequark | what sort of batteryis it |
| 17:58.31 | strawberyargon | so if its droped. the batt is already in a good old box. |
| 17:58.34 | strawberyargon | lifepo4 |
| 17:58.40 | strawberyargon | under 100WH |
| 17:59.17 | strawberyargon | safer than li-ion but the lithium rules dont recognise lifepo |
| 17:59.19 | strawberyargon | :( |
| 17:59.47 | whitequark | I mean, the type of case |
| 18:00.08 | strawberyargon | its the same package as a 7AH lead acid |
| 18:00.09 | whitequark | is it a 18650? a flat pack? something else? |
| 18:00.10 | whitequark | hm |
| 18:00.13 | strawberyargon | see the pics |
| 18:00.23 | whitequark | so this? http://upload.ecvv.com/upload/Product/201111/China_Sealed_lead_acid_battery_12V_7AH2011114942160.jpg |
| 18:00.54 | strawberyargon | the links i spent to wpwark |
| 18:01.04 | whitequark | ah I see the other picture now |
| 18:01.19 | strawberyargon | the one with the batt? |
| 18:01.23 | whitequark | I would *definitely* put the battery in carry-on, wit properly insulated contacts |
| 18:01.30 | whitequark | that looks way less sketchy than your entire device |
| 18:01.46 | strawberyargon | shame |
| 18:02.28 | strawberyargon | admitly its not finished yet |
| 18:02.34 | strawberyargon | got the hole to patch up |
| 18:02.36 | wpwrak | display, counting down the time, and i even spot some red wire ! well, in guantanamo, they speak spanish, too :) |
| 18:02.55 | strawberyargon | yea |
| 18:03.02 | whitequark | I don't think the counting down part is especially problematic, personally |
| 18:03.02 | strawberyargon | i dont wana go there, |
| 18:03.11 | whitequark | just the entire device doesnt look very safe |
| 18:03.18 | strawberyargon | aww |
| 18:03.25 | whitequark | the "will it accidentally catch fire" issue more than "will it deliberately explode" |
| 18:03.25 | wpwrak | whitequark: you don't go to the movies much, do you ? :) |
| 18:03.30 | strawberyargon | it be more tidy when finished |
| 18:03.32 | whitequark | wpwrak: i fly a lot though |
| 18:03.37 | whitequark | with tons of weird shit on me |
| 18:03.44 | wpwrak | heh ;-) |
| 18:04.14 | whitequark | a few days ago I have suggested and successfully read the xray image to a customs official who wanted to inspect my luggage |
| 18:04.20 | strawberyargon | i just hope the staft are better than usa teachers (ref bomb clock kid) |
| 18:04.36 | strawberyargon | xray image? |
| 18:04.52 | whitequark | they xray your luggage to see if theres anything suspicious |
| 18:04.54 | strawberyargon | *staft=staff |
| 18:05.05 | whitequark | he looked at the screen and asked me to open my luggage, which would have been a pain |
| 18:05.16 | strawberyargon | sry, yea but how did you see the pic |
| 18:05.20 | whitequark | so i instead asked him to show me the xray pic and explained exactly what all the weirdly shaped blobs were |
| 18:05.24 | strawberyargon | oh |
| 18:05.27 | strawberyargon | nice one |
| 18:05.46 | strawberyargon | metel boxes? |
| 18:06.00 | wpwrak | whitequark: i once went through airport security with two bottles of this in my backpack: http://mozart-spirits.com/de/produkt/mozart-chocolate-cream |
| 18:06.01 | whitequark | phone, some hoses, a vise |
| 18:06.25 | whitequark | next time I'm gonna try to memorize the positions of xray-opaque stuff in my luggage and read the xray *without* looking at the display, just for kicks |
| 18:06.29 | strawberyargon | its easier to take batts i thought it there part of packed with gear |
| 18:06.42 | strawberyargon | heh |
| 18:07.43 | strawberyargon | better print out the datasheet for the batt.... |
| 18:07.49 | whitequark | strawberyargon: anyway i count uk in the same "police state" category as the us |
| 18:07.56 | strawberyargon | +1 |
| 18:08.01 | strawberyargon | i dont like it here |
| 18:08.23 | wpwrak | whitequark: the lady stared at her screen in disbelief, then asked if i had anything peculiar in my backpack. then i realized that this must have looked like this on her x-ray: http://www.freevectors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Bomb-Free-Vector.jpg |
| 18:08.34 | whitequark | wpwrak: LOL |
| 18:10.28 | strawberyargon | if they dont allow the box on carry on can i put in my luguage or would it be too late by then? first time doing airtravel |
| 18:11.30 | wpwrak | that's too late then. though they can just take things they simply don't want you to use during flight, and lock them up somewhere. |
| 18:15.17 | strawberyargon | aww had hope to use to it to extent laptop batt life :) |
| 18:16.17 | whitequark | wpwrak: really? I've never seen that |
| 18:16.25 | strawberyargon | hehe |
| 18:16.46 | strawberyargon | idk if there a socket on the plane? |
| 18:19.37 | wpwrak | whitequark: i had it happen 1.5 times with insulin pens. those with the deadly 8 mm x a few microns needles. security found it, and handed it to the cabin crew, so that they could let me use it when i needed it for a meal, but would keep it at a safe place otherwise. so much the theory. of course, as soon as the door was closed, they brought me my pen. |
| 18:20.35 | whitequark | wpwrak: oh, it happened with a necessary medical item. that's a different question. |
| 18:20.46 | wpwrak | the 0.5 was similar, but there the purser handed me the pen right when security delivered it. the lady was clearly upset by that flagrant disregard of security, but he just shrugged ;-) |
| 18:20.47 | whitequark | strawberyargon: which plane |
| 18:21.01 | whitequark | wpwrak: lol |
| 18:22.15 | strawberyargon | thomas cook airlines, ryianair maybe or monarch |
| 18:22.34 | strawberyargon | whitequark, ^ |
| 18:23.37 | whitequark | wpwrak: which *plane* |
| 18:23.42 | whitequark | not which *airline* |
| 18:23.49 | wpwrak | dunno ;-) |
| 18:24.00 | whitequark | er, s/wpwrak/strawberyargon. |
| 18:24.20 | strawberyargon | plane? idk |
| 18:24.28 | strawberyargon | not bookedf |
| 18:24.31 | whitequark | you can look that up if you know the flight number |
| 18:24.41 | whitequark | they tell it to you before you book. |
| 18:24.56 | strawberyargon | oh trying to find the info |
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| 19:45.09 | strawberyargon | did you guys know about talos? https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation/updates/the-state-of-owner-controlled-computing-as-talos-winds-down?utm_source=Talos+Supporters&utm_campaign=19545976d2-talos_update_winds_down_2017_01_09&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_451951d5fa-19545976d2-112395773 |
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| 20:25.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | strawberyargon: not heard about talos, but the text there is pretty nice (first paragraph I read), and it explains excellently why Neo900 is needed |
| 20:25.53 | strawberyargon | aww i should have posted a link here sooner... |
| 20:25.59 | strawberyargon | sigh... |
| 20:26.23 | strawberyargon | know anyone how might have pledged? |
| 20:26.33 | strawberyargon | how=who |
| 20:26.44 | strawberyargon | just wondering |
| 21:14.52 | strawberyargon | DocScrutinizer05, neo900, dont need proprietary stuff to record video from camera/encode? |
| 21:15.17 | strawberyargon | i think so... |
| 21:17.10 | strawberyargon | just wonding about alt to buying non-free action cam. with a diy computer + camera module/interface how hard it would be to get something... but then its gona be so bulky.... and by the time one was spent xxx on it such a project i guess one could have got a neo900 or at lest paid for part of one :) |
| 21:17.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | strawberyargon: no, neo900 can record from camera using FOSS, I think |
| 21:17.37 | strawberyargon | great :D |
| 21:18.03 | strawberyargon | hmm done much with solar DocScrutinizer05 ? |
| 21:18.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | not really |
| 21:18.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | then, there's not that much different solar things you could possibly do |
| 21:19.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless I misunderstood "solar" (PV and heating) |
| 21:21.16 | strawberyargon | seeking advice on CIGS panels and where to get them. how risky might a experimental, development flexible pannel be? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152364018330?_mwBanner=1 if you have any ideas that is |
| 21:21.41 | strawberyargon | solar electric photovoltaic |
| 21:22.27 | strawberyargon | DocScrutinizer05, hmm turn 150M roll into mini power station XD http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Generic-Solar-Panel-Top-Film-Roll-150M-Long-1-16M-Wide-0-6MM-Thick-/262774029933?hash=item3d2e8d7e6d |
| 21:29.24 | strawberyargon | there was a company that have made a commercial portable container sized rollup solar power station |
| 21:29.33 | strawberyargon | forgot the name |
| 21:33.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | my outdated knowledge about flexible PV: poor efficiency and terribly fragile |
| 21:36.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | also that link sounds like... it's just the top film, not a real complete PV thing |
| 21:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | the price tag suggests that too |
| 21:37.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think you could get a 150+ square meters of PV cell for a ~500 bucks |
| 21:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | or did you consider making CIGS yourself? :-o |
| 21:59.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | on that Generic-Solar-Panel-Top-Film. Would probably be a very demanding project |
| 22:01.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_indium_gallium_selenide_solar_cells#Production |
| 22:02.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway afaik the major source of problems/failures in flexible stuff are the electrodes which break or come loose |
| 22:12.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | to be more precise: had been, several years ago |
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| 23:42.09 | strawberyargon | CIGS are really good. they still work well in low light conditions unlike mono-crystalline |
| 23:42.42 | strawberyargon | apparently there robust. |
| 23:53.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | #define robust |
| 23:55.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you could fire a whole peacemaker empty into one and odds are it works just like before with all those holes, but too often bended or with too narrow radious, and the electrode stuff came off or at least cracked, back when electrodes had significant layer thickness |
| 23:55.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | radius* |
| 23:59.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw all the same problem like e.g. with flexible OLED displays |
