| 00:50.24 | *** join/#qi-hardware Ornotermes (~ornoterme@78-73-30-246-no180.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 02:30.59 | *** join/#qi-hardware sb0 (~lekernel@210006059234.ctinets.com) |
| 03:30.50 | sb0 | https://www.crowdsupply.com/onchip/open-v is getting a very familiar treatment... |
| 03:52.18 | wpwrak | spreading the word certainly can't hurt |
| 03:53.40 | whitequark | familiar? |
| 03:59.38 | sb0 | yes, single-digit % funding, hackaday cheapskates complaining it doesn't have feature X and Y, comparing it with cheap mass-produced stuff, etc. |
| 04:00.05 | whitequark | right |
| 04:24.12 | *** join/#qi-hardware _whitelogger (~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org) |
| 04:24.12 | *** mode/#qi-hardware [+v _whitelogger] by ChanServ |
| 05:36.11 | *** join/#qi-hardware _whitelogger (~whitelogg@uruz.whitequark.org) |
| 05:36.11 | *** mode/#qi-hardware [+v _whitelogger] by ChanServ |
| 05:55.52 | *** join/#qi-hardware DocScrutinizer05 (~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 06:32.27 | kyak | DocScrutinizer05: did i disable TR-069 by installing openwrt onto my router? :) |
| 10:04.57 | *** join/#qi-hardware pcercuei (~paul@137.71.226.54) |
| 11:06.13 | *** join/#qi-hardware pcercuei (~paul@137.71.226.54) |
| 14:39.24 | *** join/#qi-hardware sandeepkr (~sandeepkr@103.49.155.114) |
| 15:48.37 | *** join/#qi-hardware baaba (~baaab@2a01:cb1c:52e:1800:2ec0:7d2a:8cc:fc35) |
| 15:51.10 | baaba | Hello ! I tried with an older bootloader, still not working but there are error messages now |
| 15:51.34 | baaba | The first one being Bad ext2 partition or disk - mmc 0:1** |
| 15:56.51 | baaba | I'm wondering something, what partition table do I need to use ? |
| 16:07.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | kyak: I guess yes :-D |
| 16:17.14 | mth | baaba: I'm guessing a traditional PC boot sector (MBR) with primary partion 1 being vfat and primary partion 2 being Linux formatted as ext2 |
| 16:18.48 | mth | although it sounds like it can also just be a single Linux/ext2 partition if you're using a boot loader that includes the linked commit |
| 16:19.11 | mth | this is extrapolating from how boot loaders work on other systems; I don't have a NanoNote myself |
| 16:30.26 | *** join/#qi-hardware paul_boddie (~paul_bodd@host-37-191-208-15.lynet.no) |
| 16:30.45 | paul_boddie | baaba: Sorry to see that you're still having difficulties! |
| 16:32.15 | paul_boddie | For the record, doing "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" tells me... |
| 16:32.48 | paul_boddie | "/dev/sdb1 10 2097899 1048945 83 Linux" |
| 16:33.44 | baaba | allright thanks I am trying again after having formatted the sd card |
| 16:34.05 | paul_boddie | I can never remember the magic around formatting and partition tables. |
| 16:34.38 | paul_boddie | Interesting that the start is "10", though. I guess the partition table is from 0 to 10. |
| 16:38.16 | baaba | omg |
| 16:38.22 | baaba | it seems to work |
| 16:38.27 | baaba | YES |
| 16:38.29 | baaba | Finally ! |
| 16:38.40 | baaba | I formatted with no partition table |
| 16:39.14 | baaba | But without changing the bootloader for an older one i wouldn't have known the issue was the partitions |
| 16:40.42 | baaba | I am so happy ! |
| 16:42.10 | baaba | so thank you ! |
| 16:44.29 | paul_boddie | Glad that it worked! Not sure I understand how it works now, though. ;-) |
| 16:44.51 | paul_boddie | Do you get similar output from fdisk? |
| 16:55.36 | baaba | well now yes, I don't know about before |
| 16:55.47 | baaba | except that I have a second partition for swap |
| 16:58.18 | paul_boddie | Maybe I should add an example of fdisk to the page. |
| 17:04.43 | baaba | there is one, maybe just specify that there must be no partition table |
| 17:07.15 | paul_boddie | Actually, how did you reformat the card? |
| 17:08.27 | baaba | well I'm not a pro with fdisk so I just did it from gnome-disks |
| 17:14.15 | baaba | Now a small problem is that I don't have apt-get, ping and internet on my nanonote |
| 17:18.13 | mth | you can do networking over USB (cdcether) |
| 17:18.55 | baaba | thanks mth ! |
| 17:20.55 | paul_boddie | OK. I'm not a pro with fdisk, either. |
| 17:21.52 | baaba | lol i don't even have ifconfig |
| 17:22.31 | paul_boddie | The default kernel should support Ethernet over USB: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ethernet_over_USB |
| 17:22.48 | paul_boddie | But for the tools, you will need various packages in Debian. |
| 17:23.28 | paul_boddie | When configuring multistrap, you should specify those packages. For example... |
| 17:23.47 | baaba | yeah I added some packages to multistrap but not these ones :( |
| 17:23.57 | paul_boddie | http://hgweb.boddie.org.uk/qi-emdebian/file/d2f68bc185dc/conf/multistrap-jessie-mipsel.conf |
| 17:24.35 | paul_boddie | I guess net-tools and ifupdown and so on. You can ignore stuff like python-pygame. ;-) |
| 17:25.06 | baaba | do you have ifconfig working ? |
| 17:25.51 | baaba | Or maybe there is a way to grab packages and dependencies from my main pc and put them on my sdcard then do some dpkg -i ? |
| 17:27.13 | paul_boddie | Yes, ifconfig works. (Just testing to make sure!) |
| 17:27.33 | paul_boddie | You could copy packages and install manually, too. |
| 17:28.09 | paul_boddie | I'm not sure if it is possible to multistrap a rootfs again with more packages and not make it upset. |
| 17:28.45 | baaba | I think I will do a fresh install with a ton of packages, is there any cli game you recommend ? |
| 17:29.18 | paul_boddie | Not really, sorry! |
| 17:29.27 | baaba | by the way do all guis require x11 to be installed ? if I want a graphical game will I need a x server ? |
| 17:29.47 | paul_boddie | Just looking now, and it hasn't activated Ethernet over USB, but that did work in Wheezy. |
| 17:30.07 | paul_boddie | So maybe I need to find the right magic for Jessie. ifconfig is there, though. |
| 17:32.30 | paul_boddie | I think my brother got the framebuffer version of Qt working on the NanoNote at one point. |
| 17:32.48 | baaba | oh okay |
| 17:36.22 | paul_boddie | Maybe I should check my kernel, although it should be the right one (and not one I compiled with different modules). |
| 17:39.33 | baaba | maybe sdl games will work without xorg |
| 17:40.57 | mth | baaba: lots of games work on the framebuffer |
| 17:41.09 | mth | check games for the Dingoo A320 |
| 17:41.31 | baaba | thanks mth ! I'll do that |
| 17:41.32 | mth | you could even try to use the OpenDingux rootfs via chroot, then you don't even have to build the games |
| 17:41.44 | mth | http://www.treewalker.org/opendingux/ |
| 17:42.28 | paul_boddie | Yes, SDL stuff works on the framebuffer pretty well. That's why I was messing around with python-pygame. |
| 17:42.56 | baaba | do you think love2d would work too ? |
| 17:43.27 | mth | does that require GL ES? |
| 17:43.28 | paul_boddie | OK, so it was the kernel that didn't have the "Ethernet Gadget" driver. That shouldn't be a problem for you: I just copied the wrong file from my system. |
| 17:43.41 | baaba | oh okay |
| 17:44.13 | baaba | well now that everything works I am going to pick some games and programs and multistrap again |
| 17:44.41 | paul_boddie | Good luck! |
| 17:53.03 | mth | baaba: A320 software is here: http://boards.dingoonity.org/dingux-releases/ |
| 18:09.18 | baaba | thanks mth and paul_boddie |
| 18:14.17 | paul_boddie | No problem! Nice to see people getting into the NanoNote even now. |
| 18:14.28 | paul_boddie | I thought I was a late adopter back in 2012. ;-) |
| 18:14.51 | paul_boddie | Now if only there were a new edition. :-) |
| 18:21.33 | baaba | yes that would be cool ! |
| 18:22.03 | baaba | There is the pyra that looks a bit like the nanonote due to its size mainly |
| 18:23.08 | baaba | by the way idasystems website is still not working, maybe they stopped their activity :o |
| 18:23.27 | baaba | maybe I am the last buyer of a ben nanonote |
| 18:31.22 | wpwrak | paul_boddie: (new edition) find a pot of gold, and we'll make it happen :) |
| 19:17.37 | baaba | I'm trying to add the modules for sound to work as explained here http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Debian#Setup_sound but i get a modules.builtin no such file or directory, same for some modules.order |
| 19:18.02 | baaba | is it just a warning ? |
| 19:23.12 | *** join/#qi-hardware pcercuei (~pcercuei@92.177.36.45) |
| 19:24.56 | baaba | ok it won't work⦠|
| 20:13.07 | *** join/#qi-hardware eintopf (~eintopf@unaffiliated/eintopf) |
| 20:24.49 | paul_boddie | Not sure if I tried sound. Not a big sound user, really. I can ask my brother, though. |
| 20:26.45 | paul_boddie | wpwrak: The funny thing now is that you could replace the jz4720 with something like the M150 and have four times the RAM embedded on-chip. |
| 20:27.00 | paul_boddie | http://www.ingenic.com/en/?product/id/12.html |
| 20:27.20 | wpwrak | oh, nice |
| 20:27.53 | wpwrak | and no embedded NAND. excellent, just what i've been preaching for years :) |
| 20:29.10 | paul_boddie | I think all these things have hardware floating point support as well. The jz4775 does, at least. |
| 20:29.44 | wpwrak | yup, the M150 has that |
| 20:30.05 | wpwrak | there's a reasonably detailed data sheet: ftp://ftp.ingenic.com/SOC/M150/M150_DS.PDF |
| 20:30.07 | paul_boddie | No need to rebuild libvorbis or whatever. |
| 20:30.24 | wpwrak | (ftp, so retro) |
| 20:30.31 | paul_boddie | Yes, I think I already grabbed the datasheet. There were also programming manuals for some SoCs on the FTP site. |
| 20:31.28 | paul_boddie | At some point I'll get the enthusiasm to do more low-level MIPS stuff on the Ben. |
| 20:35.29 | wpwrak | (programming manual) indeed, even for the M150. nice that ingenic have reverted to the openness of the early nanonote days |
| 20:35.45 | *** join/#qi-hardware eintopf_ (~eintopf@unaffiliated/eintopf) |
| 20:36.26 | paul_boddie | I kept getting timeouts when looking for manuals, so I only found a couple of them. |
| 20:37.37 | wpwrak | looks decent enough ftp://ftp.ingenic.com/SOC/M150/M150_PM.PDF |
| 20:38.17 | wpwrak | so we have the MCU, the memory, a boot architecture. lcd should be findable, too. now, who gets the money ? :) |
| 20:39.00 | paul_boddie | I think I found the M150, jz4775 and jz4780. The latter may have been made available because of the MIPS Creator CI20 and the need for documentation. |
| 20:39.16 | pcercuei | need some more? |
| 20:39.27 | pcercuei | very cheap. :D |
| 20:39.59 | paul_boddie | But yes, nice that they're putting them on their FTP site. |
| 20:40.43 | pcercuei | doing a nanonote 2? |
| 20:41.52 | paul_boddie | Idle chat, really. :-) |
| 20:42.11 | paul_boddie | Just noting that you could drop the external RAM and have a lot more on the chip itself now. |
| 20:42.34 | paul_boddie | A lot more by Ben standards, at least. :-) |
| 21:25.06 | baaba | ok I think the problem comes from alsa not being installed |
| 21:30.15 | paul_boddie | Most likely. |
| 21:30.48 | baaba | but apt-get seems to be missing⦠|
| 21:31.32 | baaba | do you know how I could download and install all dependencies only using dpkg and an other pc ? |
| 21:35.32 | mth | use packages.debian.org and look up the dependencies manually? |
| 21:36.06 | baaba | yeah :/ seems a bit long if there are many depedencies :o |
| 21:36.11 | baaba | but I shall try |
| 21:36.27 | mth | maybe you can make an ftp mirror and add that to your sources.list? |
| 21:36.33 | mth | but then you probably need a huge SD card |
| 21:37.29 | mth | 110 GB for mipsel according to https://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 21:37.49 | mth | not impossible, but probably more than the card you're using |
| 21:38.05 | baaba | yes :p i have a 32GB card |
| 21:39.05 | baaba | i found this http://www.tuxradar.com/answers/517 |
| 21:40.17 | baaba | meh |
| 21:50.05 | paul_boddie | You could perhaps multistrap separately and then compare the package archives. |
| 21:50.35 | baaba | oh yes good idea |
| 21:51.12 | paul_boddie | Not sure where the package archives live, though. :-) |
| 21:52.24 | paul_boddie | I know the package scripts usually go into /var/lib/dpkg/info. |
| 21:52.38 | paul_boddie | Not sure if the actual .deb files are kept around. |
| 21:56.30 | baaba | by the way, what packages includes the apt-get command ? |
| 21:56.43 | baaba | oh apt |
| 21:56.46 | baaba | found it |
| 21:57.22 | paul_boddie | Yes. On a Debian system "dpkg -S /usr/bin/apt-get" says "apt". |
| 22:56.23 | baaba | bye i'm going to bed ! |