| 01:45.37 | whitequark | kyak: I have recently learned that cars run entertainment and control systems on the same CPU because some shitbag can save a few dollars |
| 01:45.49 | whitequark | I have also learned today that planes run these on the same network |
| 01:46.13 | whitequark | I do not belive your claims that automotive has its shit together anymore |
| 01:47.33 | wpwrak | maybe it's the less vital control systems. wiper temperature control and such :) |
| 01:48.02 | whitequark | nah, ECU and everything |
| 01:48.26 | whitequark | direct quote from a proud industry paper |
| 01:48.27 | whitequark | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEUge2EUMAAOGZP.png |
| 01:50.09 | wpwrak | "System resources for braking action required. Please terminate your turn in ''Angry Birds''." |
| 02:22.40 | whitequark | (note: the plane thing still might turn out to be shit, though it is already clear it's not a low-effort hoax) |
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| 06:49.21 | kyak | whitequark: modern cars have 40+ ECUs, and many times engine/powertrain/entertainment systems are developed by completed different providers and integrated by OEM. Partitioning (both hardware and software) is a vital part of ISO 26262 and DO-178. You are probably right anyway that saving money becomes more important for some manufacturers |
| 06:49.55 | kyak | some asshat may come up with a crazy idea to save some money |
| 06:50.03 | kyak | what is that car you are talking about? |
| 06:50.14 | kyak | i bet it has bumpers made of paper |
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| 10:59.16 | whitequark | hm |
| 10:59.45 | whitequark | this is the OEM that does it: http://www.redbend.com/en |
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| 11:35.53 | kyak | how do you know they do it? |
| 11:48.32 | whitequark | that's a quote from their paper |
| 12:03.00 | kyak | interesting.. can you give a link? |
| 12:05.02 | whitequark | http://embedded-computing.com/articles/virtualizations-impact-mobile-devices-the-iot/ |
| 12:05.45 | whitequark | that was the first thing I found googling "automotove virtualization", there are easily more |
| 12:06.01 | whitequark | I'm told this is a new trend |
| 12:08.08 | whitequark | I would honestly dismiss that as a particularly inane conspiracy theory if that wasn't written in an industry whitepaper |
| 12:29.31 | kyak | i see.. it looks more like a "glance into the future" |
| 12:31.13 | kyak | there is still a long way to go before it becomes possible (and permitted) in practice |
| 12:32.02 | whitequark | they seem to imply it is already being shipped... |
| 12:32.11 | whitequark | I mean, yes, that thought did cross my mind |
| 12:32.44 | kyak | as far as i know, multicore processors are slowly making their way in automotive industry.. Processors are getting more powerful in general. The idea "why not to run more on the same embedded device" is therefore unavoidable |
| 12:35.49 | kyak | embedded operating systems also need to catch up.. so it's a long way to go |
| 12:36.36 | whitequark | ponders what is the last mfg year from which it is acceptable to buy a car |
| 12:36.44 | whitequark | you can't go further than 1999 or so because of emission controls |
| 12:36.59 | whitequark | (I think?) |
| 12:43.00 | larsc | another trend is putting the car diagnostics into the cloud |
| 12:45.09 | kyak | whitequark: if your car is already in Russia, it can be whatever you like - even Euro-0 :) emission regulations apply to newly manufactured and imported cars |
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| 12:58.53 | viric | here two insurance companies offer discounts if you allow them to download all recorded digital data from your car |
| 12:59.12 | viric | once a year I think |
| 12:59.34 | viric | that includes the speed you used at highways, etc. |
| 13:00.01 | viric | that's available for high-end cars |
| 13:07.23 | kyak | also re-routes you took to your mistress :) |
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| 13:59.35 | viric | kyak: exactly |
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| 17:55.08 | whitequark | kyak: yeah I know that |
| 17:55.22 | whitequark | but it would be boring to remain inside RU all the time |
| 18:42.36 | kyak | if you mean that you won't be allowed into europe on such a vehicle, then my advice is not to bother about travelling to europe in your car anyway. Car rental is a better choice; most of the cost is not from rental, but from petrol |
| 18:43.15 | whitequark | that defeats the point of having a car that doesn't have half of its brain in some cloud |
| 18:43.21 | whitequark | but otherwise, yeah |
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| 18:44.19 | kyak | i went from berlin to munster one weekend, and i paid majority of money for petrol, not for rental =\ |
| 18:44.42 | whitequark | I don't /travel/ on a car, that's silly. planes and trains ftw |
| 18:44.50 | whitequark | I do want one for work though |
| 18:45.16 | kyak | do you mean, going to work? |
| 18:45.43 | whitequark | no, using it for work. I have spent the last few months, and few weeks especially, manufacturing a vacuum chamber |
| 18:45.54 | whitequark | and all contractors are invariably located in some industrial zone in the outskirts of Moscow |
| 18:46.09 | whitequark | I have probably spent more in traffic jams on MKAD than all my previous life combined |
| 18:46.21 | kyak | yeah, that can be bad |
| 18:47.17 | kyak | what's you current car? |
| 18:51.00 | whitequark | I don't have one |
| 18:51.04 | whitequark | not even a license |
| 18:51.57 | kyak | did you take taxi (you said MKAD)? |
| 18:53.11 | kyak | anyway, don't bother about any of the modern middle-range cars being in cloud :) they are not yet |
| 18:54.40 | whitequark | kyak: I did, but mostly it was in маÑÑÑÑÑка |
| 18:54.56 | whitequark | if you want to get from a metro station to a suburb, it invariably involves a few km over MKAD |
| 18:55.28 | whitequark | the inner-city ones don't do that, of course, but I've been taking the suburban ones |
| 18:55.33 | whitequark | like to ÐалаÑиÑ
а or something |
| 18:58.04 | whitequark | right now in ÐалаÑиÑ
а, in fact, in the machine shop that does tumbling |
| 18:59.10 | whitequark | Saturday, 22:00, the director of this shop is here, natch, doing some odd fuckery to a stuck bearing or something |
| 19:00.05 | whitequark | it used to be a company that distributes machine equipment such as tumblers or hydraulic presses or something, but then sanctions came and he converted the machinery he had for demos to pay for itself instead |
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| 19:40.01 | kyak | ÐалаÑиÑ
а.. my home town for the last two years :) |
| 19:42.56 | whitequark | ah huh. I'm at ÐеÑной гоÑодок bus stop, or rather near it |
| 19:45.10 | kyak | damn you should be going home :) |
| 19:45.41 | whitequark | pffff not done here yet |
| 19:47.32 | kyak | reading back, what's "tumbling"? and "tumbler" |
| 19:47.52 | whitequark | a method of polishing by vibrating your workpiece in a large box of tumbling media |
| 19:47.58 | whitequark | usually alumina or zinconia balls |
| 19:48.10 | whitequark | well, more like... a method of surface finishing |
| 19:48.25 | kyak | i kind of understand.. what's it in russian? |
| 19:48.32 | kyak | полиÑовка? |
| 19:48.33 | whitequark | галÑовка |
| 19:48.45 | whitequark | doesn't help, does it |
| 19:49.20 | kyak | sure does not. .that strange feeling when i don't know the word in russian as well :) |
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| 19:49.47 | whitequark | i did not know the russian term but the chief engineer slash executive of this shop knew the english one |
| 19:50.31 | kyak | do you have all you need to do you want, anyway? |
| 19:50.52 | whitequark | what do you mean? |
| 19:51.11 | kyak | al you needed for the vacumm chamber |
| 19:51.26 | whitequark | I have... most parts |
| 19:51.45 | whitequark | I'm redesing one right now because the person I have contracted to weld it says the weld will fail after cycling |
| 19:53.26 | kyak | you are doing some crazy shit.. i'm proud of you.. just saying :) |
| 19:57.08 | kyak | whitequark: what's your plan for that vacuum chamber? |
| 19:57.21 | kyak | what does it do? what can it do? |
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| 20:36.20 | whitequark | it's a universal kinda thing, not done for a particular process |
| 20:36.20 | whitequark | I will do RIE and magnetron sputtering in it |
| 20:37.22 | whitequark | also a vacuum induction oven |
| 20:37.29 | whitequark | to melt metals you can't melt at atmospheric pressure |
| 20:52.45 | whitequark | we,,ll, more like with atmospheric oxygen |
