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| 02:23.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly this one |
| 02:29.22 | wpwrak | hmm, i still have my doubts. just because you can buy it doesn't necessarily mean that it will work :) |
| 02:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh |
| 02:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you know Germany? Guess what happens when you buy sth in a shop like Conrad that doesn't work |
| 02:36.58 | wpwrak | so they don't sell penis enlargement in .de ? ;-) |
| 02:37.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that I know of |
| 02:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | never searched for it thoigh, so I can't tell for sure |
| 02:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually even TV commercials with obviously incorrect claims are forbidden |
| 02:39.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/obviously/verifiable/ |
| 02:39.19 | qi-bot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: "actually even TV commercials with verifiable incorrect claims are forbidden" |
| 02:41.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | even such commercials with absolutely non-verifiable claims are already critical. Particularly when those claims are about health of nutrition (functional food?) |
| 02:42.29 | wpwrak | yeah ... "dasch waescht am weissesten" usw. besides a few technicalities, i remember german advertising as being just as dishonest as anywhere else ;-) |
| 02:42.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it was a 20 or 30 years ago |
| 02:44.01 | wpwrak | actually, when i read in c't of all the dirty things companies do to their customers, all those fancy laws don't seem to help much |
| 02:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | indeed |
| 02:44.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | "up to 16Mbyte bandwidth"... UP TO |
| 02:44.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | WHO THE FSCK CARES? |
| 02:44.56 | wpwrak | hehe :) |
| 02:45.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wanna know what I'm *guaranteed* to get |
| 02:45.09 | wpwrak | zero or more ;-) |
| 02:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 02:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's our honest commercials |
| 02:45.56 | wpwrak | well, bandwidth is tricky |
| 02:46.33 | wpwrak | btw, that cable is cheap. you could get one and see if it gives you happiness or becomes a new source of frustration |
| 02:47.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeahm but they sell you a "up to 16Mbit" internet, and when you get 1Mbit, you pay the same and cannot cancel the contract either |
| 02:48.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | happy guy when you have a contract for only 3 months then |
| 02:48.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually they are 24 months |
| 02:50.01 | wpwrak | strong laws also mean that angry customers can't just stop paying and disappear :) |
| 02:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and when switchng internet provider, you again need tons of luck to not fall in between the cliffs and are without _any_ internet for the next 12 months |
| 02:51.16 | wpwrak | yes, i read "vorsicht kunde" :) |
| 02:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | with provider_new telling provider_old doesn't hand over the line, and old tells that new never asked for it |
| 02:51.50 | wpwrak | and i always wonder whether germany still has colonies in the 3rd world :) |
| 02:52.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, we're our own 3rd world colony |
| 02:52.28 | wpwrak | mass-masochism ;-) |
| 02:55.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's called industry ran by capitalism. The people is only involved as far as idiocy matters |
| 02:56.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Germans for sure have a general hang om some sort of masochism, but that's completely unrelated and irrelevant here |
| 02:57.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | masochism starts at Ikea at Saturdays ;-) |
| 02:59.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's the neo-liberal BS that results in this wild-west capitalism |
| 03:01.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | DB not investing anymore into their rails, so all trains get delayed and some stations completely abandoned, that's just to make the IPO(?) at stock exchange work. Nobody wants late trains, and abandoned stations and all that with even higher prices for the tickets |
| 03:03.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | not masochism either. Just political idiocy based on neo-liberalism |
| 03:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | politics is just executive of industry, since quite some time already |
| 03:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | they can only decide where industry doesn't think lobbying is worth the money |
| 03:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | s§where§when/if§ |
| 03:10.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "as long as" |
| 03:12.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | for example: did you know you can earn money by consuming electrical power? HUGE amounts of electrical power |
| 03:12.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | like 100s of MW |
| 03:13.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you can sell your ability to consume that much power, and make a few pence per kWh |
| 03:14.08 | wpwrak | yeah, nice :) |
| 03:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if breweries would pay me for drinking beer |
| 03:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 03:20.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | but nah, they rather pay the landfill for taking a 1000 t of apples, than giving them away for free |
| 03:25.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or look at that extended shelf life milk crap. I don't know any masochist who *wants* that poor quality milk, even while it admittedly keeps "fesh" a few days longer (when you're lucky and the extended life wasn't used up in shelf). Nevertheless it's nearly impossible to find _normal_ milk anywhere, since for the shops and the whole supply chain it's simply more convenient to deal with ESL shit |
| 03:41.23 | wpwrak | hmm, if that already upsets you, then i better don't tell you the ugly truth about milk and expiration dates :) |
| 03:42.43 | whitequark | hhahaha |
| 03:50.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't know which truth might hide there that's not easily experienced in daily life |
| 03:51.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway what upstes me is not the expiration date but the vanishing of good tasty milk |
| 03:51.26 | wpwrak | hm, checked and it may in fact be a myth. gotta ask my source ... |
| 03:54.41 | wpwrak | this one (with claim that the theory is wrong): http://www.packagingeurope.com/Packaging-Europe-News/28159/Tetra-Pak-Romania-invalidates-repasteurized-milk-rumours.html |
| 03:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't even sound like worth reading |
| 03:55.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | tetra pak already sounds like H-"milk" |
| 03:56.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | Romania too |
| 03:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm talking about the stuff that expires and gets sour (not mouldy) 4-7 days after production |
| 03:57.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | not that toxic stuff that has exoiration dates of $NOW + 5 months |
| 03:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The electronic message is accompanied by an **UHT** Tetra Pak milk box...<< MEH! |
| 03:59.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm refusing to drink that stuff |
| 04:00.08 | wpwrak | yeah, healthy living is important. no smoking, no alcohol, regular exercise, ... oh, wait ! :) |
| 04:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsck no, I want tasty stuff, no crap |
| 04:00.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | healthy... PFFF |
| 04:01.07 | wpwrak | ok, toxins are okay then. but they have to taste good. some milk flavouring agent perhaps ? :) |
| 04:02.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | they seem incapable to find one that would make UHT milk bearable |
| 04:04.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather I often wonder if the feed the cows with wild garlic that give the milk for UHT |
| 04:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hey |
| 04:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | they* dammit |
| 04:05.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even ejoy latte macciato that's prepared with UHT milk |
| 04:06.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | it tastes awful |
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| 04:07.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | and ESL milk is UHT in disguise |
| 04:07.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | they don't heat it to 120°C but only to 108°C or sth like that |
| 04:09.38 | wpwrak | with GMO garlic :) |
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| 20:43.04 | larsc | wpwrak: I hope you didn't consider migrating to google code |
| 20:53.44 | wpwrak | larsc: hah, that indeed didn't occur to me :) is that even in the same league ? naw, thinking of github |
| 20:56.57 | whitequark | wpwrak: i mentioned github doesn't trap your data? you can export it easily |
| 20:59.50 | whitequark | e.g. try this |
| 20:59.50 | whitequark | curl -v -H 'Accept: application/vnd.github.v3+json' https://api.github.com/repos/ocaml/ocaml/issues |
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