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| 17:05.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Anti-Maidan" in Moscow -- never before heard of a huge demonstration against the results of a fair election *in another country*. Are a large fraction of russian people simply mad or megalomaniacal? |
| 17:08.45 | viric | I can't imagine what kind of propaganda is there... but among friends, they feel like their territory is attacked, and they are just defending |
| 17:10.55 | whitequark | DocScrutinizer05: well, it's a fair election from your point of view :] |
| 17:11.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, not compliant with the russian definition of a "fair election" |
| 17:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | also it seems it's just as usual: voluntary participation on order from above |
| 17:13.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually it seems many think they are demonstrating about some enemy *inside* Russia, they fear a Maidan in Moscow |
| 17:14.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | which sonds like absolutely to the point, regarding Putin's concerns and worries |
| 17:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds* |
| 17:14.43 | viric | That's the picture I had from my friends this last year too. |
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| 17:16.52 | wpwrak | how was that ? "deutschland wird am hinduschk verteidigt". talk about defending your territory :) |
| 17:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, same bullshit |
| 17:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | poor sod Putin sees the communist totalitarian method fail in one of the ex-SSSR states after the other, and even worse, they all join the western club. This for sure must worry him to death, and make him feel like he's looking like loser he actually is |
| 17:24.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and instead of acting smart, he thinks he must act "strong" |
| 17:29.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | just watched a TV report about Putin (history and all) - two statements were quite enlightening: 1) his own narrative is like "I was a weak boy. Then I learned Judo and beat everybody who argued with me. I didn't even stop beating them when they were down to the ground" 2) some Putin-"expert": >>he's stubborn. And whenever somebody tries to push or manipulate him towards one direction, Putin acts exactly the opposite way and does |
| 17:29.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly the opposite of what they try to push him to" |
| 17:31.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the latter makes all those EU/US-sanctions rather questionable |
| 17:33.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's easy to see how Putin rather tends to demonstrate that those sanctions will _not_ influence nor impress him |
| 17:35.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then they help a lot to build up a legend about "the whole world has ganged up against Russia" and play the patriotism card internally |
| 17:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | see anti-maidan |
| 17:37.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Alexander Saldostanow http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/ukraine-1063~magnifier_pos-0.html |
| 17:56.04 | dos1 | hmm |
| 17:56.26 | dos1 | let's give whole Ukraine to Putin for free then |
| 17:56.50 | dos1 | push him more into acting how he does now |
| 17:56.58 | dos1 | he'll do the exact opposite and everyone will be happy :) |
| 18:13.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | torch tower burning. Well, at least the name fits |
| 18:13.49 | whitequark | do you turn on TV monthly and then turn to IRC to discuss it, or what? :] |
| 18:13.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | 50th to 70th floor |
| 18:14.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, just monthly feel like commenting, it seems |
| 18:14.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually TV hardly ever get switched off |
| 18:15.43 | whitequark | I see you're happily getting brainwashed by the DE government |
| 18:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, training my filters |
| 18:17.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually watching news to mutate from first newsflash version to later more censored version is quite interesting |
| 18:19.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | unlike many other countries, we have no censor guys paid by gvmt in the redaction of TV stations. So often the first version is not - yet - "approved" by any such gvmt brainwash. |
| 18:20.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and knowing about the brainwash is even better than not exposing oneself to it at all |
| 18:22.37 | kyak | /h |
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| 18:31.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually any such censorship happening here would be a huge news story in itself. So the amount of such brainwash is naturally limited since it's difficult to do tight invisible coordination of all those journalists to comply with the recent central planning about how and in which direction to such brainwash and censorship |
| 18:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | in countries where the censorship is well established and a known and "accepted" fact, things work differently |
| 18:33.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course redaction chiefs may get a call from some minister and then next day tell their colleagues "we generally don't like Putin" or similar basic rules on how to write reports |
| 18:34.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | those rules are easy to "see" when you watch carefully the news and compare them to other sources of same info |
| 18:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | but I wouldn't call that brainwash |
| 19:31.25 | wpwrak | dos1: the thing is that the ukraine may not be all that attractive for russia. i think putin has what he wants already. so if the rest would just shuts up and behave, i think he'd be more than satisfied. |
| 20:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | could somebody tell me what's wrong with inotify-tools, please. There must be a reason why it didn't make it into opensuse regular repo during 4 years and up to version 3.14 |
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| 22:26.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | btrfs and snapper, a sysadmin's wet dream |
| 22:26.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | awesome stuff |
| 22:27.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | now if only I had formatted my rootfs as btrfs already |
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