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03:27.30wpwraksome people have a peculiar sense of humor: www.screwschina.com (and yes, they make screws and are located in china, but ...)
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09:40.06eintopfwpwrak: but what? You wouldn't use screws from china?
09:40.12eintopfI mean a screw is screw
09:40.22eintopfs/is/is a/
09:40.24qi-boteintopf meant: "I mean a screw is a screw"
09:46.26larscjust make sure you don't get screwed
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10:36.21eintopflarsc: ah, I think, I understand.
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12:44.59wpwrakeintopf: i was just looking for information on small screws. the sort i'll have to put into anelok to make the case a bit more robust
12:46.09wpwraklessons learned: you can google all you want for "torx t5 screw" or such, the best you'll find are fiendishly overpriced cell phone replacement screws (something like USD 2 apiece)
12:47.48wpwrakwhat you really want to look for is called "self-tapping" screws. and of these, it's the "thread-forming" kind (and not "thread-cutting", although some make take the terminology loosely)
12:48.49wpwrakand the size won't be given in the size of the opening (T5 or such) but in the diameter of the thread, i.e., M1, M1.6, and so on.
12:50.12wpwrakthe small cell phone type screws still seem elusive - western sites seem to prefer large sizes. M3 and bigger.
12:51.29wpwrakbut at least i have been able to gather enough information to know what i'll have to do to make such critters fit. turns out that it's not too bad. i need for M1.6 are few slots in the PCB that are at least 2 mm wide and 2.2 mm deep.
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13:07.03eintopfi know these smartphone screws, I bought some tool set from china
13:07.41eintopfwith plastic pieces which looks like a plectrum from guitar
13:07.55eintopfand the small torx scredrivers
13:08.20eintopfs/scredrivers/screwdrivers/
13:08.21qi-boteintopf meant: "and the small torx screwdrivers"
13:11.05eintopfwpwrak: you should not but some gamebody screws. These screws with some triangle hole. I hate these screws
13:11.33eintopfs/gamebody/gameboy
13:11.33qi-boteintopf meant: "wpwrak: you should not but some gameboy screws. These screws with some triangle hole. I hate these screws"
13:12.15wpwraki've heard apple also have some fun ones: a little smaller than T1, so a T1 piece won't fit :)
13:14.21eintopfmy brother knows how to deal with such screws, you need a hammer and a four edged screwdriver. Than attach the screwdriver and hammer on it.
13:14.41eintopfbut you could also drill it
13:15.11eintopfanyway, I would not do the hammer method on electrical devices
13:15.20eintopffor cars, okay... that might works
13:16.52wpwraki think i'll not add compatibility with the drill and hammer method to the design specs of anelok :)
13:21.26eintopfsimple: use a normal screw without buying the special wpwrak repair tool set
13:21.38eintopfthats what they company try to do with that
13:21.58eintopfs/they company/the companies/
13:21.58qi-boteintopf meant: "thats what the companies try to do with that"
13:25.03wpwraknaw, torx isn't all that special :)
13:26.27wpwraksmall phillips would be an option too, though. torx is better but since the forces in use there are relatively small, phillips should do
13:36.17eintopfI have this set: http://src.discounto.de/pics/product/26850/43719_WORKZONE-Feinmechaniker-Satz-26850_xxl.jpeg
13:36.22eintopfand torx is included
13:38.10eintopfwpwrak: but you want a case for anelok? You said for me some time ago, that when you using a case you need to get some certificates
13:38.13eintopffor selling
13:40.53wpwrak(WORKZONE) they you're prepared for whatever the future may bring :)
13:41.56wpwrakcases can complicate things, yes, since they make it less credible that what you're selling is a "kit"
13:42.46wpwrakbut there's no much of a choice - you can't sell a bare pcb to end users
13:43.27eintopf(WORKZONE) the cheapest thing 4 ever. It's from ALDI. In austria it's "hofher"
13:43.28wpwrakfor the "alpha" units (small quantity, quite kit-like) we're probably fine without certs and such
13:43.52wpwrak(workzone) yeah, and nobody even specifies what's inside it :)
13:44.04eintopfso you selling the kit and the end-user need to build it together?
13:44.28eintopf:S
13:44.56eintopfokay, doesn't matter, were I need to subscribe to get an anelok? I will give you money ;)
13:45.04eintopfokay, let do that next month
13:45.32wpwrakwell, that's what i may want to do with the "alpha" units. they'll be intended for developers anyway, not for "normal" users
13:45.52wpwraki must have described that on the list some time ... checking ...
13:48.37wpwrakhere we are: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2014-May/010613.html
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13:50.51wpwrakslight changes: making "alpha" units myself probably won't be necessary. also the number of "alpha" units may be a bit larger then than just ten.
13:51.37eintopfah, ok.
13:52.27wpwrakalso, Y-Box almost certainly won't be necessary. so this could be replaced by another anelok. (to act as radio peer)
14:02.00xiangfuwpwrak: your last code works just fine here.
14:17.14wpwrakkewl. so i need to try harder to break something :)
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15:59.44xiangfuhappy chinese new year.
16:00.06kyakxiangfu: and happy long holidays :)
16:00.30xiangfuYEAH.
16:02.29larscparty party party!
16:02.52DocScrutinizer05whitequark: _whitelogger__ isn't registered
16:06.07whitequarksiiiiiigh
16:06.33whitequarkhm, actually, I can register _whitelogger now without logger downtime
16:06.39whitequarksince it has the __ at the end
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16:10.33whitequark.
16:10.38whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: i registered it
16:10.39whitequarkare you happy now
16:10.57DocScrutinizer05well, I'd be even more happy when it was in #neo900 too ;-)
16:11.11whitequarkit's not in #neo900?
16:11.18whitequarkstill joining i guess
16:11.21DocScrutinizer05sorry, it is, now
16:11.33whitequarki've fifty channels and freenode throttles me to 1 msg per 0.8s
16:11.37whitequarkso join takes a WHILE
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16:17.28DocScrutinizer05whitequark: not ülanning to annoy you, just a hint: often hidemail in nickserv isn't what you want for bots
16:18.36DocScrutinizer05some even add metadata:
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16:18.57whitequarkwell /now/ i can't do anything about it
16:19.05DocScrutinizer05:-)
16:19.06wpwrakxiangfu: happy new year ! :)
16:19.07whitequarksince i can't impersonate the bot without shutting it down
16:19.55DocScrutinizer05whitequark: that's actually not an obstacle. Just autheticate against bot's account ;-)
16:20.24whitequarkwon't that kick the bot out?
16:20.27DocScrutinizer05/ns id _whitelogger MyPassWord
16:20.31DocScrutinizer05no
16:20.45wpwrakwhitequark: if you stand up, turn to the west, and say three times aloud "NSA, NSA, NSA", maybe they'll help you with the impersonation
16:22.25whitequark.
16:22.31whitequarkhm, right, doesnt kick it out
16:24.07whitequarkDocScrutinizer05: ok done
16:24.11DocScrutinizer05:-)
16:24.18DocScrutinizer05pleased to help
16:24.45DocScrutinizer05loggers (and generally bots) with proper accountability have way higher acceptance
16:27.05DocScrutinizer05chanops know where to complain when bot ever starts to misbehave
16:28.02whitequarkright
16:30.14DocScrutinizer05/ns info _whitelogger now looks great
16:30.49DocScrutinizer05clearly no rogue/spam-bot
16:39.48arossdotmewhat do you think of external gps antennas?
16:40.27arossdotmearr is it china's newyear...
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17:06.36kristianpaulhow so arossdotme ?
17:06.56arossdotmehow so?
17:07.04arossdotmegps or china newyear?
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17:07.08kristianpaulgps
17:08.03kristianpauleveything need wiring and for gps like an extenal antenns is most likelly to gibe you problems
17:08.16arossdotmewell i my case shall i get one sold by http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?linux_pda.htm
17:08.36arossdotmewould it be helpful for car use?
17:08.59arossdotmeit's just the postagge is £10+ so i'd prefer to only make one worder :D
17:09.06arossdotmeone order
17:10.03kristianpaulthat link redirects here
17:10.44arossdotmei can't give you the dirct link
17:10.48kristianpaulcars should have built-in antennas, my  personal opinion
17:11.16kristianpaulwhat is your apllication?
17:11.19arossdotmeit's in the open moko section
17:11.24arossdotmecar nav?
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17:11.36arossdotmebost maybe, if i'm ever one one
17:11.38arossdotmeon one
17:11.46arossdotmeboat
17:12.42kristianpauland is your receiver just gps or also glonass? perhaps beidu as well :D ?
17:12.44arossdotmewould it make a difference woods when walking?
17:12.55arossdotmeit's gta04
17:13.04kristianpaulahhhhhh
17:13.16arossdotme;)
17:13.26kristianpaulwe shall ask wpwrak  or DocScrutinizer05
17:13.35arossdotmeoh
17:14.00kristianpaulnot sure what gps receiver it  uses
17:14.15arossdotmei think no glonass
17:14.18arossdotmehmm
17:14.23kristianpaulfor walking you probably need a IMU on board a well i bet
17:14.42kristianpaulyou need meter or centimet accuracy?
17:14.56kristianpaulcentimeter*
17:16.18DocScrutinizer05the gta04 has no glonass afaik
17:16.22arossdotmeleft or right accuracy :P
17:16.47arossdotme* do i turn left or right accuracy
17:17.10kristianpaulleft or rigght? use a compass ! ;-)
17:17.18kristianpaula digital ine of course
17:17.20arossdotmehe ha
17:17.26arossdotmeor a map
17:17.33arossdotmebut you get the idea
17:17.41arossdotmeor waling in a city
17:17.45DocScrutinizer05gta04 using the gta02 active GPS antenna internally
17:17.45arossdotmewalking
17:17.55arossdotmeyea
17:18.15DocScrutinizer05which is supposed to work sufficiently fine when no interference from device and no broken cable
17:18.23arossdotmeso how much benefit is there from the external one..
17:18.31DocScrutinizer05usually zilch
17:18.50arossdotmeok, i'll save my £10 then
17:18.57DocScrutinizer05external antenna my have higher gain when yiu use a huge one
17:19.05DocScrutinizer05may*
17:19.14arossdotmewhat about the one i linked too/
17:19.32arossdotmet?
17:19.32arossdotmehttp://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?linux_pda.htm
17:19.41arossdotmein the openmoko section
17:19.43kristianpaulput the gt04 in your gap, thats a better antenna
17:20.29arossdotmeso if the gta04 head has 40%~ I';M OK
17:20.39arossdotmeopps caps lock
17:20.59DocScrutinizer05you'll need external antenna when the device is in an unfortunate location with no free sight to sky
17:20.59arossdotme40% sky
17:21.16arossdotmehmm
17:21.31kristianpauli meant cap sorry
17:21.52arossdotmecap=hat>
17:21.57arossdotmet?
17:21.57arossdotme?
17:22.01kristianpauleven better
17:22.06kristianpaulyes arossdotme
17:22.11arossdotmeok
17:22.36arossdotmehmm
17:23.21arossdotmei guess these gps antentor cables don't like being moved/bent a lot?
17:23.43arossdotmebest fitted and left permanently?
17:24.12kristianpaulbent... hmm
17:24.26arossdotmeflexed
17:24.46arossdotmepacked up
17:25.20arossdotmeinto storage bag
17:25.55kristianpauli have one of those antnna is magnetic attached, so far gold behavior after packing
17:25.59kristianpaulbut im carefull
17:28.08arossdotmeand even then i was thinking of using my diy lunch box computer for my car computer, so what would be using a usb gps. it's advantage is it has a bigger screen
17:28.22arossdotmewhat=that
17:28.43kristianpauloh usb gps need for sure an extension
17:28.56arossdotmeyea
17:29.16kristianpaulbut works decently with its antenna
17:29.18arossdotmebut a gps antentor would be of so much use
17:29.28arossdotmewoundn't
17:29.39arossdotmeDocScrutinizerthx
17:33.02arossdotmearr hmm what to do
17:36.08kristianpaulbuy buy buy (-:{
17:37.35arossdotme:)
17:38.58DocScrutinizer05there's a bazillion of external GPS antennas available in the intarwebs
17:39.31DocScrutinizer05as long as the plug matches, they usually shall "just work"
17:40.16DocScrutinizer05I mean, nasically it's just... an antenna
17:40.20DocScrutinizer05basically*
17:41.03DocScrutinizer05(ok, it has an amp built in, but those are standard pretty much)
17:42.14DocScrutinizer05https://www.google.de/search?q=GPS+external+antenna+active&gws_rd=cr&oq=GPS+external+antenna+active
17:47.14DocScrutinizer05http://www.ebay.com/itm/28dB-LNA-Gain-1575-42MHz-RP-SMA-Male-GPS-Active-Antenna-Stronger-Singal-/291353328325
17:47.26DocScrutinizer05you'll usually need a adapter
17:49.24arossdotmehmm
17:49.28arossdotmemmh
17:52.04DocScrutinizer05the pulster one comes with right plug it seems, maybe worth the 13 bucks more
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18:32.12arossdotmei guess i might be usefull to have just in case
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