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15:02.39wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: nice article on hacking BMWs. and look at who wrote it :) http://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2015-5-Sicherheitsluecken-bei-BMWs-ConnectedDrive-2536384.html
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15:21.38DocScrutinizer05ROTFL MUUHAAAHHAAAAHAA   >>freundlicherweise erwies sich die Combox als sehr kooperativ: Wenn sie eine ansonsten gültige NGTP-SMS erhielt, in der lediglich die VIN falsch war, so antwortete sie mit einer Fehler-SMS, ebenfalls im NGTP-Format. Die enthielt als Absender die korrekte VIN des Fahrzeugs.<<
15:22.28DocScrutinizer05only question: where from a hacker gets the IMSI/phone-number?
15:23.11DocScrutinizer05no problem for near field, but hey, we want to rule whole highways, right?
15:23.41wpwrakhehe :)
15:23.49wpwrakalready like this it's pretty bad
15:24.15DocScrutinizer05we want to shoot down cars at other end of the country by simply DNS-poisoning a few servers and using the regular internet and phone network
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15:27.33wpwraki wonder, when he visited bmw, whether they counted the cars they had on site after he left. just to be sure :)
15:36.41DocScrutinizer05haha
15:36.45DocScrutinizer05:-P
15:37.08DocScrutinizer05I wonder what else is possible except the rather boring unlocking of doors
15:37.32DocScrutinizer05"tune" the engine controller? 30° early ignition
15:37.44DocScrutinizer05breaks? steering?
15:38.18DocScrutinizer05gear?
15:39.05DocScrutinizer05prolly ASP is most "funny" - 'please break 100% on both rear wheels only"
15:39.30wpwraknaw, the left wheels only :)
15:39.35DocScrutinizer05or that
15:40.29DocScrutinizer05though I guess a car is amazingly stable and steerable as long as one "line" of wheels stil has full contact to road
15:41.08DocScrutinizer05sure it will tend to the left, but you can compensate easily with steering
15:41.39DocScrutinizer05maybe not much worse that strong side winds
15:41.47DocScrutinizer05than*
15:42.37DocScrutinizer05fullblock of both read wheels though, and then a gentle 5% break on only one of both front wheels
15:42.46DocScrutinizer05s/read/rear/
15:42.48qi-botDocScrutinizer05 meant: "fullblock of both rear wheels though, and then a gentle 5% break on only one of both front wheels"
15:44.19wpwraki'd count on the element of surprise to cause most of the damage. "controllable" doesn't mean that a driver will :)
15:44.25DocScrutinizer05you ever tried full stop on bike with only read wheel?
15:45.36DocScrutinizer05you'll inevitably see own rear wheel pss you on either left or right side
15:46.17DocScrutinizer05you also know how ralley drivers driver turns? hand break to block reag wheels
15:46.24DocScrutinizer05rear*
15:53.21wpwrakon the other hand, there are plenty of accidents with car and road in perfect condition, nice weather, good sight, no other traffic nearby, yet ... boom
15:53.59DocScrutinizer05https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VHXwlJtNgU  watch rear wheels!
15:55.14wpwrakif you want to explore the full extent of human frailty, i'd recommend avherald. that's all trained professionals, be it pilots, atc, mechanics, etc., subject to strict controls and regulations. yet a good number of incidents / accidents are just "human error"
15:57.55wpwrakyou may want to check the videos before you recommend watching them ;-))
15:59.41DocScrutinizer05https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVmSAZJdkhQ
16:01.12wpwrakyeah, i don't like it when my cars do that. you can't complain about the braking efficiency, though :)
16:02.21wpwrakyeah, 02:00 looks more familiar :)
16:02.27DocScrutinizer05https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWIB9qZwyUE
16:08.44DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbrake_turn
16:09.56DocScrutinizer05the higher the cruising speed the better it works
16:10.30DocScrutinizer05and when you even could break only one of both front wheels too... simply awesome
16:10.42wpwrakthe the more spectacular the failure when something goes wrong :)
16:11.01wpwrakyou could hack into your ABS ;-)
16:11.08DocScrutinizer05you can bet on _something_ "going wrong" when you do this via remote control
16:11.24DocScrutinizer05ASP >> ABS
16:12.21DocScrutinizer05well, maybe control over ASP is not _that_ simple even on BMW
16:12.59DocScrutinizer05I don't know of any data buses those ASP/ABS controlers expose to rest of system
16:13.34DocScrutinizer05for good reason those are autonomous and sealed
16:13.50DocScrutinizer05at least they were, a 10 or 20 years ago
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16:15.40DocScrutinizer05nowadays though... who knows. Designers might want to show APS-intercet per wheel in headup display, needs a data bus from ASP controller to somewhere else. That's it then
16:16.34DocScrutinizer05I rejected ~ 15 job offers in automotive industry during last 8 years
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16:18.33wpwraknowadays they're probably cloud-based, with monthly subscriptions - BaaS, braking as a service ;-))
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