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03:00.44kristianpaulhttp://www.witchnav.cz/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=wnav_fpga_user_guide-1.0.pdf
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05:25.42kyakeintopf: congratulations! you can both automatically tune PID controllers and generate C code (even for 8 bit MCUs). You can even automate conversion of your model to fixed-point arithmetic and generate pure integer code if that matters
05:26.24kyakthere is plenty of information in documentation and on mathworks website. For example, see this webinar: http://www.mathworks.com/videos/pid-control-made-easy-81646.html
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11:59.43qi-bot[commit] Werner Almesberger: sanitize show var/code handling; switch to enum for future changes (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/73389fb
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16:29.20DocScrutinizer05dang, the assassins got killed. What a pity, that's what they hoped for
16:30.38ysionneauyep 3 of them dead it seems :/
16:30.54ysionneauI hope there is no severely wounded amoungst GIGN or raid or police
16:30.57ysionneau(or dead)
16:31.07DocScrutinizer05can't those special forces use shot made of salt instead full metal jacket?
16:31.18ysionneauno idea
16:31.31ysionneaumaybe the order was to shoot to kill as soon as there is a "shot"
16:31.40ysionneauwe'll never know
16:32.11eintopf:-(
16:32.29DocScrutinizer05I don't begrudge those suckers to die, they shall live for a 100 years, in prison
16:33.26DocScrutinizer05s/don't//
16:33.26qi-botDocScrutinizer05 meant: "I  begrudge those suckers to die, they shall live for a 100 years, in prison"
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16:35.16ysionneausure, that was the plan, I hope :/
16:35.33ysionneauanyway, somehow those guyz also are victim of our shitty society
16:36.17ysionneauour post-colonialism + racist french environment + crazy social inequalities
16:36.28ysionneauwe create those "monsters"
16:36.35ysionneau:/
16:37.11eintopfkyak: thanks I will take these infromation into my presentation about matlab simulink code generation
16:37.45pcercueiysionneau: at least we still don't have neo-nazi demonstrations like in the east of Germany
16:38.08ysionneauwow yeah...
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16:38.43ysionneaubut we have FN and brain-washed skinhead people attending demonstrations to "fight"
16:38.48ysionneau:/
16:38.56DocScrutinizer05ysionneau: ((we create)) indeed
16:39.11viricysionneau: what do you think about the rumours like those of voltairenet.org?
16:39.22ysionneaunever heard of this website, *click*
16:39.42DocScrutinizer05pcercuei: you got LePen, which is worse than those idiots in Dresden. Anyway I don't like either
16:40.10viricysionneau: one policeman investigating the case suicided today
16:40.12pcercueiit's worse because he/she have power, yes
16:40.24viricif I understood right
16:40.50viricysionneau: a french saying "postcolonialism"? hehe
16:41.25ysionneauwell sure, we have a shitty colonial history and we are still doing those shit
16:41.26viricI mean that "post" does not quite apply to La France :)
16:41.41viricright.
16:41.42ysionneauhelping USA to intrude in other countries' business
16:41.51ysionneaubombing middle east and so on
16:42.14viricwell you are at war in Mali too, and have some Guaiannes, and Corsica, ...
16:42.25ysionneauah yes
16:42.30viricLa France doesn't need USA for that
16:42.35ysionneauand we make and sell weapons to dictatorship :)
16:42.37ysionneauwelcome to France
16:42.41ysionneaudroits de l'homme
16:43.18viricI know France enough. No need to welcome :)
16:43.53viricai fòrça d'amics occitans del nòrd dels Pirineus :)
16:44.08ysionneau:)
16:44.23ysionneaudo I need to watch the videos on your page? or just read the text
16:44.37viricas you wish.
16:44.40pcercueiyou're from el Pais Basco?
16:45.12viricnon, soi catalan
16:45.22DocScrutinizer05Hah!
16:45.38pcercueinice
16:45.47ysionneauanyway, as of now, the next imminent threat is our politician who will surely try to pass some "protective" laws ...
16:45.50viricas pas bezon de parlar amb lo mot castelhan :)
16:45.57ysionneau+ the extremists who will blame all the muslims
16:46.02DocScrutinizer05ysionneau: ACK
16:46.24viricysionneau: hence the suspicion whether this was theater-of-state
16:46.46ysionneauviric: you think it might be a setup to frame muslims?
16:46.49ysionneau*keeps reading the page*
16:47.16DocScrutinizer05viric: "never attribute to malice what can get explained by mere idiocy" never applied as much as here
16:48.09viricDocScrutinizer05: that is valid with zero information about the case
16:48.34viricbut you can use extra information too, to get an opinion :)
16:49.11viricysionneau: I don't know. I asked you, because I wondered if there is any counter-rumour published.
16:49.24DocScrutinizer05I can believe that maybe some authorities would have been able to stop things, and intentionally let go
16:49.57viricthere is the suicide of the policeman too
16:50.01viricadded to the rumours.
16:50.09DocScrutinizer05haven't heard of it
16:51.04virichttp://quenelplus.com/revue-de-presse/le-numero-2-de-lenquete-sur-charlie-hebdo-sest-suicide.html
16:51.24viricI simply chose the first link in google
16:52.41ysionneauviric: it's the first time I read such ideas at least, it's not stupid, but I don't see valid proof, so I just don't know :/
16:53.01ysionneauTV and newspaper don't broadcast those ideas at least
16:53.02pcercueiquenelplus, heh
16:53.05pcercueiit's like legorafi.fr
16:53.08viricysionneau: I understand, neither do I. But I wonder if anyone decided to counterback the rumours
16:53.31pcercueiit's basically anti-information
16:53.51ysionneaubut yes it's very weird that some policeman commited suicide, and was in charge of the case
16:54.04pcercueinobody commited suicide
16:54.05ysionneaumaybe it was personal reason and no link with the case... but timing is troubling yes
16:55.06ysionneaupcercuei: nobody?
16:55.30pcercueiysionneau: nobody. As I said, quenelplus.com just like legorafi.fr are false-information websites
16:55.33ysionneauhttp://www.20minutes.fr/societe/1512875-20150108-limoges-commissaire-police-suicide-police-judiciaire http://www.leparisien.fr/limousin/limoges-un-commissaire-de-police-se-suicide-avec-son-arme-08-01-2015-4429569.php
16:55.37ysionneau?
16:55.38ysionneauthose are not quenelplus
16:56.01ysionneauhttp://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2015/01/08/97001-20150108FILWWW00199-suicide-d-un-policier-judiciaire-a-limoges.php
16:56.03viricI've no idea. For quenelplus I clicked the first google link
16:56.10pcercueiok, then it's probably true :)
16:56.14ysionneaubut yes quenelplus sounds like a "gorafi" like website
16:56.25ysionneau(which is all fake articles)
16:59.54virichere some media broadcasted about people claiming it's a fake.
17:00.27viricso, not the press opinion. Just referencing someone else :)
17:00.29DocScrutinizer05why would somebody involved with a conspiracy commit suicide without at least publishing their reason to do so?
17:01.26viricwell, these days I read a bit how Inquisition worked
17:01.48viricand threats always involved people around the target
17:02.04viricfull families
17:02.18viricI don't know if it can be applied here.
17:02.19DocScrutinizer05and nevertheless even Galileo mumbles "and though it moves"
17:02.37viricThat's also theater.
17:02.38viric:)
17:03.30viricAfter Galileo come 300 years of Inquisition to write the fiction about Galileo and the Inquisition
17:04.04viricbut you can make as if Inquisition wasn't that bad.
17:04.21wpwrakyeah, the inquisition is a good example to follow. after all, it worked pretty well.
17:05.07DocScrutinizer05when that policeman would have published "they threatened my family" and then commits suicide, guess about the motivation of $whomever to actually provide prove of such claim by actually hurting any of the allegedly endangered persons
17:05.07viricif it worked during centuries, it means it worked well
17:05.34DocScrutinizer05s/prove/proof/
17:05.35qi-botDocScrutinizer05 meant: "when that policeman would have published "they threatened my family" and then commits suicide, guess about the motivation of $whomever to actually provide proof of such claim by actually hurting any of the allegedly endangered persons"
17:06.16viricmaybe next suiciders should contact you, how to do it well
17:06.17wpwrakno, look at the results. how many women lie with the devil these days ? i think rosemary was the last documented example. how many wizards and witches are in your town ? see ? :)
17:06.20DocScrutinizer05it maybe worked in pre-information age
17:07.10viricin all ages most people think they have enough information
17:07.51DocScrutinizer05I'm a fan of Occam's razor here
17:08.04viricthe occam's razor of "I don't need more information"
17:08.27viricYou already took judgement before knowing anything
17:08.35viricthat has been clear along all the conversation :)
17:08.45viricand defending that you already know enough.
17:09.06viricand then you come to the "current proverbial knowledge" of occam's razor :)
17:09.39viricnext you are going to tell me that you are using "scientifical method" :)
17:10.37wpwraki see that somebody has been honing his discussion techniques ;-)
17:10.59virichaha
17:11.24DocScrutinizer05viric: you're astarting your usual idiotic trolling like "you took judgement" and "you refuse to read info" etc
17:12.01viricI'll rest with the doubt, be happy with the certain.
17:13.02viricby now I have no need to decide one side or the other.
17:13.26DocScrutinizer05I will not accept advice/instruction from you what to think. Since YOU have no knowledge about what I think, it's YOU who takes justice about _my_ mind without _any_ proper info
17:13.53viricI only meant to help you know what picture I was building of you :)
17:13.55ysionneauplease, kiss each other :(
17:13.57DocScrutinizer05aka Trolling
17:14.52viricI'd trust you more if you weren't so sure :)
17:15.15viricbut that's only my view. don't worry.
17:15.18DocScrutinizer05when somebody doesn't applaud to viric's conspiracy theories, viric starts bashing them by claiming they wwere idiots
17:15.27wpwrakcorollary, since we cannot know the structure of other people's minds, we cannot be sure about the frame of reference their thoughts and expressions of them are based upon. ergo, communication is impossible and futile :)
17:15.53wpwrakdead figments of my imagination, i think i'll stick with solipsism for a while ;)
17:15.59wpwrakdeaR even
17:16.00virichehe
17:16.09ysionneauwell, at least writen communication indeed is very difficult and often leads to misunderstanding
17:16.33kyakviric: what are your usual news sources (web sites)? preferrably those you have in offrss, in english (or russian)
17:16.52virickyak: hm it'd take time to list
17:17.17kyakviric: do you have them in offrss?
17:17.18viricbut I like when people throw doubts, and others are forced to counterback the doubts
17:17.42virickyak: not anymore, because they are very few sites that provide a useful RSS that is not a "click here to read"
17:17.51viricthere are
17:18.37kyakviric: basically i'm asking because i'm failing to find an "other side" in foreign media
17:19.09virichere Willy Toledo, an actor, came up saying that some filmations are fake
17:19.11kyakthere is one opinion, and only one
17:19.18whitequarkviric: try reading conservative US sources
17:19.20viricthen voltairenet also had an article
17:19.35whitequarkyou'll fit right in
17:20.19viricI don't understand the subtility. :)
17:20.38whitequarkthere is none
17:21.00viricthen I don't understand what do yo mean
17:21.05viricyou
17:21.20whitequarkoh, sorry, that was to kyak
17:21.25whitequarkregarding "other side"
17:21.25ysionneauhere we are: www.bfmtv.com/politique/valls-nouvelles-mesures-necessaires-pour-repondre-a-la-menace-terroriste-856485.html
17:21.30kyakwhitequark: yeah, i figured :)
17:22.05ysionneau"new measures are necessary to fight terrorist threat" from 1st minister
17:22.16ysionneaucool, new shitty laws
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17:22.30ysionneau"we are at war against terrorism" he said, doesn't that ring a bell?
17:22.31kyakwhitequark: some links would be great
17:23.04whitequarkhttp://www.foxnews.com/
17:23.41DocScrutinizer05viric, the guy who badmouthes Aristotelian Logic a "scientific tool"
17:23.44kyakok, foxnews would be the "other side" to cnn or, say, bbc?
17:24.11viriceh?
17:24.11DocScrutinizer05as if science was something rogue
17:24.28whitequarkkyak: to nytimes or gawker, say
17:25.40DocScrutinizer05ysionneau: here the right wing assholes already asked for re-establishing communication data mass storage
17:26.13DocScrutinizer05ysionneau: and I heard LePen already suggested death penalty
17:27.22ysionneauyes
17:27.29ysionneaudeath penalty ... 2 days ago
17:28.00DocScrutinizer05no doubt we will see a lot of shit coming from this mess
17:28.36ysionneauand what's "fun" is that our mainstream media all said they were concerned about possible attacks against muslims (which happened) and with LePen rise in popularity (which is a right concern)
17:28.49ysionneauBUT, I saw no concerns about "new anti freemdom laws" ...
17:29.01DocScrutinizer05yep, exactly
17:29.11ysionneaueven though, this is very clearly a threat, like LePen rise
17:29.21ysionneaubut no one (mainstream) is talking about it ...
17:29.21wpwrakdoes any country in northern africa or the middle east need "liberating" ? i'm sure suitable connections will be found before too long
17:29.34wpwrakheck, maybe it was the north koreans again
17:29.37ysionneauyeah let's throw some democracy somewhere
17:29.50DocScrutinizer05:-/
17:29.55DocScrutinizer05so right
17:30.02kyakwpwrak: it's funny, but some ukraine media already blaimed Putin :)
17:30.05DocScrutinizer05feels depressed
17:30.19ysionneau:/
17:30.28DocScrutinizer05well, idiocy is global
17:30.57wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: you may like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTpBBs6HtCk
17:31.27DocScrutinizer05oh yeah, reeter
17:31.31DocScrutinizer05good guy
17:31.47DocScrutinizer05err Rether
17:45.23DocScrutinizer05ysionneau: well, at least our (tiny) parliament opposition here in Germany warns about legislative activism
17:46.12ysionneauah good
17:46.12DocScrutinizer05but yes, it almost sees zilch coverage in mass media
17:46.41ysionneauin French media, only 1 article so far with only 1 sentence about the threat of new shitty laws : liberation
17:46.58DocScrutinizer05the good guys ;-)
17:47.25ysionneauand I just read one very interesting article, but in French http://paris-luttes.info/rassemblement-contre-la-2406
17:47.51ysionneauone of the few having the "guts" to say that they don't fully backup what Charlie Hebdo did
17:48.05ysionneauand to say that the participated in the etablishment of a shitty climate around islam
17:48.20ysionneaueven though, of course, no one say that killing anyone is the correct response
17:48.46ysionneauthey contributed to islamophobia
17:50.09DocScrutinizer05quite possible
17:50.29DocScrutinizer05I'd outlaw *all* religion. Period
17:50.37ysionneauahah
17:50.38DocScrutinizer05alas can't be done ;-)
17:50.45ysionneauI'm not sure I would do that :p
17:50.52ysionneaubut I'm not a fan of those stuff either
17:51.08ysionneaubut that we like it or not, it's now part of our culture :/
17:51.13ysionneauwe need to deal with it
17:51.48DocScrutinizer05yeah
18:00.54arossdotmeDocScrutinizer05, remmber that link myinovationspace.com ? the writings on there talked about social groups (i think they do, i forgot precisely as i'm going by my chats with the guy who wrote them and not what i remmber reading in the books but anyway)
18:01.11DocScrutinizer05but actually religion is not the cause of all that mess, not at all. The religious mind just provides a convenient easily manipulated audience for some fascistoid asshats, labeling their crude ideas with islam, Christianity, marxism, whatsoever
18:01.14arossdotmewell....
18:01.18viricDocScrutinizer05: in any case, I shouldn't have make any fun of the discussion. I only meant that I wasn't convinced by your analysis. Nothing more.
18:01.35arossdotmelooks like you beaten me too it
18:02.00arossdotmeI was going to say $religion is just branding, a theme for a social group
18:02.38viricysionneau: Valls, the catalan minister... for what I remember, his sister in Barcelona was quite ashamed of him
18:02.38DocScrutinizer05pretty identical :-)
18:03.07arossdotmefor example see me newest post http://social.aross.me
18:03.13arossdotmefor a example
18:03.19ysionneauviric: oh really?
18:03.27viricysionneau: and I remember when Ràdio Arrels interviewed him in Catalan, he refused to use Catalan, and spoke always in French. Once asked, he said that he couldn't speak anything but French in France, for respect to the citizens
18:03.28arossdotmebut diff $relogion
18:03.35ysionneaugood, he indeed is quite a shame for a left wing political man
18:03.46ysionneauhe's not left wing at all...
18:03.47viricysionneau: the interview went on with catalan questions and his french answers
18:04.10ysionneauwell, for this I have no opinion
18:04.14viricysionneau: he used catalan, but only in Catalonia, outside France.
18:04.29ysionneauit sounds .. weird to react like that
18:04.50ysionneauif I know how to speak English and I have an English speaking person in front of me, I think I will speak English...
18:04.59ysionneaunot to exclude the english speaking person :o
18:05.24viricIt was a Catalan radio, with all public and people in the radio always speaking catalan
18:05.40viricyet in France.
18:06.02viricgood that the radio is not banned at least. But they allowed it only after "la vergonha"
18:06.05arossdotme*and english speaking person mentally acknowledges that he only speaks one language while the other person speaks more than one.... :)
18:06.10arossdotme;)
18:06.27arossdotmeand feels kind-a guilty
18:06.40ysionneauyeah, I should have chosen another example
18:06.42ysionneauthis one is special
18:06.55ysionneauI don't speak Catalan :p
18:07.04arossdotmeno it was a ok example
18:07.41arossdotmeI was just acknowledgeing my err appreation for those that speak eng as well as $native-lang
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18:08.20ysionneauwell english is usually a must-have, nowadays
18:08.24arossdotmeso why was he doing this
18:08.27arossdotme?
18:09.00ysionneauValls? Dunno, he's just ... ok let's stay polite.
18:09.16arossdotmepolite?
18:09.25arossdotmei thought you just said...
18:10.07viricFrance had a very strong politics against non-French
18:10.22viricby always showing the non-French as unpatriotical, unpolite, ...
18:10.33viricit started with the fight against nazis
18:10.48viricIf you weren't ultra-french, you were shown as enemy of the country.
18:10.53arossdotmehmm, need to look up catalan it seams... guilty
18:11.11virichttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergonha
18:11.35viricFrench still think about "the politeness of speaking French"
18:12.48DocScrutinizer05are french radio stations still required to play at least 50% of songs in french language?
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18:14.01ysionneauahah
18:14.14ysionneauat least I know there is some quota for movies on TV
18:14.21ysionneau"cultural exception" they say
18:14.50ysionneauprimary goal being not to get invaded with USA (sub?)culture
18:15.03viricThat's fine as self-protection from abroad
18:15.33viricBut it's horrible when that's done against the own citizens
18:15.52viricfor example, in "only French allowed in public communications"
18:16.54virichttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Interdiction_officielle_de_la_langue_catalana_2_avril_1700.jpg
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18:18.05DocScrutinizer05without laws ruling it, radio stations tend to play the songs their audience wants to hear. Forcing them to play songs they wouldn't play otherwise is basically manipulation / patronizing of their audience, the French people
18:18.45viricDocScrutinizer05: they play the songs they are payed to play
18:19.24ysionneauit's hard to really know what people want to hear
18:19.31ysionneauthat's very manipulated
18:19.52ysionneaupeople want what they are said to want
18:19.56DocScrutinizer05viric: at least here in Germany radio stations *pay* for each song they play
18:19.57viricThere comes Sony Inc., and pays a lot to French radios to spread their things
18:20.03DocScrutinizer05google GEMA
18:20.25viricmany bands are commercial products
18:20.26ysionneauif you show a chart with top10 songs to people, that you totally made up, then this top10 chart will quickly become the truth
18:20.32ysionneaupeople will start wanting those songs
18:20.54pcercueiDocScrutinizer05: yeah, I run into it a lot on youtube
18:21.07pcercueithat's so annoying
18:21.56viricDocScrutinizer05: why you think there is a 50% rule?
18:22.07viricFrench music is shitty compared to USA music?
18:22.20viricand the law goes against good taste?
18:22.55viricor USA music is also shitty, and French would prefer music in many tongues?
18:23.06viricOr maybe they would enjoy mainly Czech music.
18:23.44viricI agree more with ysionneau view
18:28.35arossdotmei find a lot of music i like on jamendo.com is by french artists
18:29.22arossdotmea lot or a good portion of the music i like....
18:30.14viricarossdotme: are them on the radio stations?
18:30.31arossdotmeerr no
18:30.52arossdotmei don't bother with radio
18:31.28arossdotmeinternet radio, maybe
18:31.50arossdotmelibre.fm if that counts
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18:43.24DocScrutinizer05viric: I think there's such 50%(?) rule because a 10 dozen news reported about it, several years or even decades ago. For the rest of your weird speculations, please check your own communication methods and statements instead of bashing others for allegedly "taking judgement"
18:45.36DocScrutinizer05and this reference to 50% rule is not a "view", just for a sidenote
18:46.09DocScrutinizer05it's jsut that: a reference to a well known proven fact, though maybe obsolete
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19:57.15viricDocScrutinizer05: Sorry, I meant why you think that the government set such a rule
20:03.55DocScrutinizer05I don't know
20:04.17DocScrutinizer05but i'm quite sure I despise it
20:05.27DocScrutinizer05I can't think of a reason that would justify such rule. IOW no matter what's the problem, there's for sure a better solution than such rule
20:07.07DocScrutinizer05a suggestion for wording: "what do you think why government set such rule?"
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20:48.20virichm may be. I'm not very good at English :)
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21:05.32ysionneauhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11334934/Vladimir-Putin-bans-transsexuals-from-driving.html ....
21:05.37ysionneauw.t.f.
21:18.35arossdotme+1 wtf
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21:31.35DocScrutinizer05oooh figure the confusion and thus risk those individuals introduce to traffic ;-)
21:32.18ysionneauI checked and indeed WHO is putting transsexual and travesti as behavioural disorder
21:34.25wpwrakthat's what mindless rule-centric bureaucracy does for you :) that could so happen in .de as well ;-)
21:35.47wpwrakand i wonder if it's an outright "ban" or just additional requirements. e.g., a doctor's certificate or such.
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23:14.20DocScrutinizer05wpwrak: indeed, exactly
23:15.52DocScrutinizer05you can even spend a 8 years in psychiatry here, when you say your bank does illegal stuff and the bank says "No, this guy must be paranoid". Even when the bank later on says "duh, there actually happened illegal stuff" you stay in psychiatry
23:16.59DocScrutinizer05just because you're already there, a Doctor can't fal when diagnosing mental disorder ;-)
23:17.06DocScrutinizer05fail*
23:41.54wpwrakcatch 22 :)
23:59.15DocScrutinizer05nah, catch 22 was exactly the opposite, no?

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