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03:45.00wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: so ... has the rigol arrived and you're in no-sleep-until-2014 mode now ? or did you pass out waiting for oops ? :)
03:45.13wpwrakerr .. until 2015
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09:15.19DocScrutinizer05it arrived at 18:00 and I gave it 50min test then had a nap
09:48.00DocScrutinizer05and earned a terrible headache, which I won't blame to UPS or Rigol but rather to weather
09:49.23DocScrutinizer05btw it just was o'scope and accessories (bnc-4mm adapters, Rigol-softbag), the DMM and related accessories completely postponed to week5/2015
09:50.21DocScrutinizer05maybe some poor chinese dude has to manually erase all the Agilent signs and replace them by Keysight
09:50.44DocScrutinizer05;-P
09:52.36DocScrutinizer05>> U1173A  Adapter Infrarot zu USB  fürHandmultimeter U125x-Serie obsolete, ersetzt durch U1173B, abwärtskompatibel<< and the complete lack of any *1173* product on that shop website open up room for speculations
09:55.16DocScrutinizer05btw I actually started looking at desktop-DMM but they are waaaay more expensive, mostly thanks to starting at 5 digits
09:55.47DocScrutinizer05they are generally calibrated and that costs $$$
09:58.07DocScrutinizer05my operation mode in lab is based on a "nothing is calibrated, except my own logic which is 99.999999999% true" - so I really don't need expensive calibrated gear. I don't do certification stuff where I need to check operational limits
10:00.44DocScrutinizer05worst case convenient "calibration" normals are available everywhere. 1V5 primary cell, 230V AC, etc
10:02.25DocScrutinizer05all my probing usually is a go/nogo type of data acquisition which often has 30%/70%/130% thresholds and for such even a 5% "accurate" DMM is absolutely fine
10:13.29DocScrutinizer05btw c't mag goes foolish: "Heft 2 (TWO!!!) 2015 erscheint ab 2014(!)-12-27 am Kiosk"
10:14.41DocScrutinizer05I wonder how long until I read issue 1/20XX in summer of 20$(( XX - 1 ))
10:16.44DocScrutinizer05http://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2015-1-Vorschau-2483922.html
10:42.55DocScrutinizer05watches Rigol 1054Z auto-calibrate, gripped
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11:09.55DocScrutinizer05some of them translations to english are a tad... unusual. using "printscreen" the scope shows a short remark "Disabled Some Operations!" ... OK. But after completing the save-to-USB process it shows a remark "Can Operate Now" which really puzzled me if this device is maybe from medical/surgery domain ;-)
11:18.57DocScrutinizer05"GetWay: 192.168.4.1"
11:25.21DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/17/plasma-desktopz11330.png   :-))
11:56.12DocScrutinizer05http://privatepaste.com/fa15e50ba6
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12:58.09wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: Nuernberg is a big city. takes UPS guy all day to make his rounds ;-)
12:59.48DocScrutinizer05:-)
12:59.53DocScrutinizer05HATE!!!! http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/17/plasma-desktops11330.png
13:00.32wpwrakIRC port is open,. interesting. didn't think they knew their customers *that* well  :)
13:01.53DocScrutinizer05I wonder what EU is worth for when they can't even enforce astronomically high penalty tax on all products that do not support alternatives to redmond crap
13:01.54wpwrak(bench dmm) yeah, for me it's mainly to get more sensible current measurements and the convenience. i don't send my critters in for re-calibration.
13:03.28DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/17/plasma-desktopz11330.png turns out to be absolutely useless since best you can do is configure the IP stack of the rigol. NOTHING else
13:05.25ysionneauthat's not very funny ...
13:05.30ysionneau(rigole in french is laugh)
13:06.33wpwrakysionneau: still better than the famous Toyota MR2 ;-)
13:06.58DocScrutinizer05http://www.lxistandard.org/  feels like I'm in for another waste of time
13:07.08ysionneauwpwrak: mr2 -> shit ?
13:07.18wpwrakysionneau: of course :)
13:07.23ysionneauyes nice as well
13:07.29ysionneaubut less obvious than rigol
13:07.38ysionneaumaybe depends on how you pronounce it :p
13:07.39DocScrutinizer05Pachero, or Pajero
13:08.11DocScrutinizer05akso Toyota?
13:08.20DocScrutinizer05also*
13:08.47wpwrakysionneau: and then there's always the Mitsubishi Pajero ... that one doens't lack clarity :)
13:08.52DocScrutinizer05http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Pajero
13:10.52ysionneauahah
13:10.57DocScrutinizer05https://translate.google.com/?hl=de#es/de/pajero  >>Definitionen von pajero  Adjektiv  [persona] Que se masturba con frecuencia.<<
13:10.59ysionneaujust discovered what Pajero means
13:11.17ysionneauI thought it meant "bird" but no :p
13:11.28ysionneauthat's pajaro
13:11.36pcercueiparajo
13:11.36pcercueiyes
13:12.16ysionneaupcercuei: are you french?
13:13.03pcercueiyes
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13:50.01larscwpwrak: or the Rolls-Royce Mist
13:50.51viricDocScrutinizer05: yes, that's why in Spain it's called Montero
13:56.48DocScrutinizer05hehe
13:57.21DocScrutinizer05only officially, my spanish friends told me. People still call it Pajero
13:59.01DocScrutinizer05now you see why Siemens pays signifacant fractions of a million for new product names. "Sony" been the result of iirc 12 months of worldwide studies and several millions spent on them. The name "Sonny" sounded weird in Korea or dunno where
14:00.47DocScrutinizer05that's why trademarks/names are high value assets for comapnies
14:01.41DocScrutinizer05though I guess Mitsubishi won't ask many $$ to sell "Pajero"  X-P
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14:02.57DocScrutinizer05glares at Rigol DS1054Z, wonders how to flash firmware and if that would reset the options (prolly not)
14:04.58wpwrakDocScrutinizer05: so you "upgraded" it ?
14:05.44DocScrutinizer05pondering to do. But no upgrade without decent rollback strategy
14:05.56wpwraklarsc: brought to you by the truth in advertizing board ;-)
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15:00.24larscwhat do you call a hypercube that is fully contained within another one with the same number of dimensions? sub-cube?
15:01.34viricinner hypercube
15:02.13larscok, thanks
15:03.00wpwraklarsc is gift-wrapping ;-)
15:06.44larscin 7 dimensional shoe cartons ;)
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15:12.02larscActually I'm working on a bit of ALSA documentation
15:14.54DocScrutinizer05DUH!
15:15.03DocScrutinizer05ALSA and hypecibes?
15:15.13DocScrutinizer05hypercubes* dang!
15:16.20DocScrutinizer05wonders if larsc tries to describe the ALSA audiostack plugin concept
15:17.02DocScrutinizer05take care, "lower" layers of stack might as well have more 2dimensions" than upper ones of same stack
15:17.21DocScrutinizer05s/2/"/
15:17.22qi-botDocScrutinizer05 meant: "take care, "lower" layers of stack might as well have more "dimensions" than upper ones of same stack"
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15:23.40wpwrakyou can tell things are going well when a document begins with "for simplicity, we assume a galois field of hypercubes in N-space, with N >= 4, for which we define ..."
15:30.03larscI see you did you research ;)
15:30.04DocScrutinizer05dang, I checked wikipedia galois field
15:31.59whitequark"the inherent amusement of the phrase simple complex Lie algrbra"
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