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| 00:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | thanks |
| 00:22.08 | mth | DocScrutinizer05: light in the sense of simple or light in the sense of being able to service lots of requests on modest hardware? |
| 00:22.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | aiui as in simple |
| 00:22.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | or small |
| 00:22.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | easy probably |
| 00:23.14 | mth | a friend of mine maintains this server: http://www.xs-httpd.org/ |
| 00:23.26 | mth | and there is also a small http server included in python |
| 00:23.51 | mth | example code using the python server: http://code.google.com/p/toys4droids/source/browse/easy_webserver.py |
| 00:23.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-13 00:22:50] <merlin1991> hm what's the quickest way to start a local http server for some time? |
| 00:27.15 | wpwrak | maybe /etc/init.d/httpd start; sleep SOME_TIME; /etc/init.d/httpd stop ? :) |
| 00:27.28 | wpwrak | replace "httpd" with whatever you fancy |
| 00:37.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | loking at this eQ3 homematic CCU station, I feel like paying RMS a beer |
| 00:37.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | looking* |
| 00:39.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of those rogue companies who thing printing the GPL on last 2 pages of their user manual "booklet" is all it needs to abuse OSS |
| 00:39.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | think* - damn typos |
| 00:40.50 | roh | DocScrutinizer05: homematic has gpl stuff in it? |
| 00:41.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the CCU there's quite obviously a linux |
| 00:42.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | all the way from ntpd to kernel |
| 00:42.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I can't find the source anywhere |
| 00:45.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # uname -a |
| 00:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linux homematic 2.6.21.3 #6 Thu May 31 12:51:30 CEST 2012 armv4tl unknown |
| 00:46.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | BusyBox v1.00 (2012.05.14-12:29+0000) Built-in shell (ash) |
| 00:47.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | crippled to death |
| 00:47.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~ # df -h |
| 00:47.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 00:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mtdblock2 32.0M 22.5M 9.5M 70% / |
| 00:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | /dev/mtdblock3 32.0M 2.4M 29.6M 7% /usr/local |
| 00:48.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | tempfs 32.0M 576.0k 31.4M 2% /var |
| 00:57.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://pastebin.com/yCUELZkV |
| 01:00.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | roh: I know I'll get banned now for owning such a crappy device ;-P |
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| 01:02.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | esp for that hefty pricetag |
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| 01:04.14 | mth | ancient kernel as well |
| 01:05.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | I even heard their glorified "bidCos[TM!1!!]" is not safe against replay attacks - something particularly nasty for a bidir protocol that could easily run proper challenge-response auth |
| 01:05.36 | roh | DocScrutinizer05: maybe send in a report to gpl-v ;) |
| 01:05.46 | roh | when you know a ticket# holler... |
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| 01:21.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | roh: well, I guess I first should write a "Einschreiben mit Rueckschein" to them, asking for source |
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| 03:01.18 | whitequark | DocScrutinizer05: http://irclog.whitequark.org is updated instantly :) |
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| 04:12.58 | kyak | DocScrutinizer06: could you make it so IP addresses are not logged? |
| 04:14.21 | kyak | DocScrutinizer06: generally, logging an irc channel and making it public without letting anyone know is not ethical (as in irc ethics) |
| 04:14.56 | kyak | i know it's logged by qi-hw and whitequark, and i know that these logs don't contain personal information |
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| 07:26.02 | qi-bot | [commit] kyak: uboot-xburst: fix dl url, add md5sum (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/490004f |
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| 11:09.09 | DocScrutinizer06 | kyak: while I partially understand your concerns, I can't change anything with infobot's logging. Just like I can't change how qibot logs. Anyway rhe fact that this channel is logged actually _is_ announced in topic, I don't think we could or need to list every log or guarantee that certain info is _not_ logged. There are other ways on (freenode) IRC to take care about your privacy if you're concerned |
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| 12:01.17 | wpwrak | it's an open channel and storage is cheap. i don't think there's any reason to assume it's not logged by NSA, KGB, and so on, quite independently from what qi-bot and friends do. |
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| 12:13.06 | DocScrutinizer06 | wpwrak: kyak is right about general freenode policy somewhat dicourrages chan logging, and requires announcing any logging. I'm not entirely in line with this sentiment, but will happily follow requirement for log-warning in chan topic. But that's it |
| 12:16.27 | DocScrutinizer06 | since there are a lot of self-nominated 'services' that sneak in aribrary IRC channels with their bots, to log them publicly, and they do so without any announcement, I think the warning/info about QiBot logs in topic, plus naming infobot like that, plus making infobot standing out in chanuser list by giving it +v, plus ~logs, is just good enough for everybody. after all you're right that this is a public channel |
| 12:18.56 | DocScrutinizer06 | obviously kyak knows how to hide his IP and take care about his privacy, as everybody can tell from /whois kyak. Those IRC users who care less about those things maybe don't need somebody to fight for their rights |
| 12:25.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | wpwrak: aiui those concerned about logging are so because of "google'ability" of what's been said and "done" in IRC channels. I have a hard time adopting this rationale. |
| 13:02.39 | wpwrak | in the end, it all gets lost in the noise |
| 13:03.32 | wpwrak | it's only a problem when there are very few people who get exposed that way. once a google search will find a bunch of atrocities for just anyone, it gets irrelevant |
| 13:11.12 | valhalla | otoh being able to google the actual ip history of somebody may be problematic (but then, if somebody is following you he might as well whois you) |
| 13:31.43 | wpwrak | well, you may want to use an anonymizer when discussing the plans for overthrowing the government with your fellow conspirators. especially when approaching the implementation phase :) |
| 13:32.11 | wpwrak | that's simpler than trying to stay 100% undercover. and also less suspicious :) |
| 13:32.39 | wpwrak | just make sure the anonymizer is immune to traffic analysis |
| 13:35.16 | kyak | i think it was discussed already in this channel |
| 13:35.46 | kyak | and wolfgang even did some extra job to remove personal information from existing logs |
| 13:36.05 | kyak | DocScrutinizer05: you are saying you have no control over logs, but it's your bot and your responsibility |
| 13:36.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | kyak: that's outright incorrect |
| 13:36.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's neither my bot nor do I have any control whatsoever over logs it creates |
| 13:36.47 | kyak | you said "I can't change anything with infobot's logging." |
| 13:37.07 | kyak | whos bot is that? |
| 13:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-10-13 15:37:15] [Whois] infobot ist ~infobot@rikers.org (TimRiker's infobot) |
| 13:37.44 | kyak | ok, then i don't know what is the reason for this bot to be here |
| 13:38.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is more in line with freenode's requirements about bots than what qi-bot announces |
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