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| 00:12.24 | wolfspraul | yes but I was wondering how strong/independent that outside part is |
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| 02:34.50 | wpwrak | (trapware) not nice indeed |
| 02:39.17 | wolfspraul | nicely hidden there, eh? :-) |
| 02:44.40 | wpwrak | i didn't look at it. but what you describe sounds rather unfriendly. |
| 02:49.56 | wolfspraul | nah, I like it. just a little easter egg in the bsd license |
| 02:52.31 | wpwrak | kinda like monsanto's suicide seeds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_use_restriction_technology) |
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| 03:14.21 | wolfspraul | maybe lars can tell us more about where this idea/restriction comes from, so we understand analog better |
| 03:14.35 | wolfspraul | if he is still allowed to or not too afraid to talk about that :-) |
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| 03:52.17 | wpwrak | and/or ;-) |
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| 04:59.29 | wolfspraul | wpwrak: I read about some economic fun in Argentina, is that true? such as it's getting harder to get USD cash |
| 04:59.55 | wolfspraul | and stores that used to have imported products can't get them anymore and need to come up with local replacements? |
| 05:00.41 | wolfspraul | wine in restaurants got a lot more expensive? |
| 05:01.06 | wolfspraul | should I buy more Argentine wine here in Beijing to support you guys down there? |
| 05:01.18 | wolfspraul | good thing my local store here still has imported stuff from all over :-) |
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| 05:23.17 | wpwrak | i don't know about the wine in restaurants (it's usually considerably more expensive than in the supermarket), but the rest is true |
| 05:24.21 | wpwrak | it's almost impossible to buy USD now. about the only option that's still open is for travel. and there, you first have to get permission from the tax authority, who will then set the amount you're allowed (usually low) |
| 05:24.36 | wpwrak | of course, there's a rather lively black market now ... |
| 05:25.44 | wolfspraul | hmm, interesting |
| 05:25.48 | wolfspraul | well, new business opportunities |
| 05:25.57 | wolfspraul | I will check out the Argentine wine section next time I'm in the store |
| 05:26.13 | wolfspraul | always skipped it so far, but a little solidarity wine is a good opportunity |
| 05:26.37 | wolfspraul | anyone you recommend? something well known that makes it all the way to Beijing... |
| 05:26.40 | wpwrak | regarding imports, the government erected various new bureaucratic barriers that make if very hard for some companies to import. many luxury brand stores (cartier, ralph lauren [sp?], etc.) are closing. but it's also affecting other sectors. |
| 05:27.22 | wpwrak | and of course, the countries exporting to argentina reciprocate. this exports are down, too. and so is the overall economy. |
| 05:27.48 | wpwrak | argentine wine is the best. don't skip it ! ;-) |
| 05:27.53 | wolfspraul | well someone must benefit |
| 05:27.55 | wolfspraul | cui bono |
| 05:28.26 | wolfspraul | some people have an amazing capability to handle a benefit imbalance, where 1 USD benefit for them causes 1 million USD losses for others but they don't care |
| 05:28.38 | wolfspraul | that's no news, but at least they can now go buy their icecream... |
| 05:28.44 | wolfspraul | (with the dollar they made) |
| 05:28.51 | wolfspraul | yes, I will! |
| 05:29.06 | wolfspraul | my local store has 2+ rooms full of wine from all over the world, Chinese are learning :-) |
| 05:29.19 | wolfspraul | and that's in a suburb, the ones in downtown have even more |
| 05:29.26 | wpwrak | the ones i like most are saint-felicien, luigi bosca, and escorihuela gascon |
| 05:29.41 | wpwrak | the latter is a bit fragile but very good |
| 05:30.42 | wpwrak | terrazas de los andes is also a good brand |
| 05:31.33 | wpwrak | from saint-felicien, the cabernet-merlot is amazing. excellent for an asado. |
| 05:31.44 | wolfspraul | noting... |
| 05:32.51 | wolfspraul | alright, I will check this out. thanks! |
| 05:33.45 | wolfspraul | so USD cash smuggling into argentina is a good business now, interesting |
| 05:34.04 | wpwrak | luigi bosca is a little hard to find in argentina. perhaps they're exporting most of it. it's excellent. |
| 05:34.21 | wolfspraul | I will check. the argentine section is not that big here but it's definitely there |
| 05:34.32 | wpwrak | oh, definitely. you get about ARS 6.50-7.00 per USD. the official exchange rate is around 4.56 |
| 05:34.39 | wolfspraul | I need to take a closer look, there is too much stuff so I always just passed by... |
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| 05:36.11 | wolfspraul | I'm wondering what the general effects of the Internet have on these kinds of policies. in the sense that it's extremely easy for individuals and small groups to unite around all sorts of transactions at all sorts of places and times |
| 05:36.26 | wolfspraul | that must be a nightmare to fight |
| 05:36.52 | wpwrak | there's also rutini, which is supposed to be one of the star wines. it tends to be quite pricy, though. so i rather stick with the others, which tend to be priced (in argentina) around USD 15-30. |
| 05:37.09 | wolfspraul | wow that's a lot, I'm cheap |
| 05:37.11 | wolfspraul | I will check it out |
| 05:38.38 | wpwrak | cheaper wines .. hmm .. norton, terrazas also have a lower cost line, latitud 33 will do in a pinch, ... lemme check what else ... |
| 05:39.40 | wpwrak | trapiche is also good |
| 05:42.05 | wpwrak | (transaction) people are coming up with all sort of schemes. e.g., one is to travel abroad, go to a casino, buy chips with a credit card (the government hasn't figured out yet how to restrict credit cards without hurting the klaptocratic elite themselves), then immediately cash them in in dollars |
| 05:42.27 | wolfspraul | yeah high time for small business |
| 05:42.41 | wpwrak | it's also a good deal because such transactions are converted at the official rate. so you get around 30% "subsidiaries" |
| 05:42.50 | wolfspraul | a mess |
| 05:42.57 | wolfspraul | so that can only get worse then |
| 05:43.23 | wpwrak | the downside is of course that any inbound foreign currency transactions suffer a 30% "tax" because they're also converted at the official rate |
| 05:43.44 | wolfspraul | time to accumulate USD cash to snap up cheap real estate after the crash again? |
| 05:43.52 | wolfspraul | or will they turn it around before that? |
| 05:44.03 | wolfspraul | before then |
| 05:44.48 | wpwrak | i have my doubts. the president is obsessed with power. this means that she doesn't surround herself with good people. hence crazy policies. |
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| 05:45.47 | wpwrak | and you can probably already make good deals if you have a bag of dollars. the real estate market traditionally operates in dollars. with nobody having dollars and the peso devaluating at 20-30% p.a., that market has basically collapsed |
| 05:47.08 | wpwrak | the devaluation per se wouldn't be so bad, but the government also insists on lying about the inflation. the official figure is only about 10%, and interest rates are accordingly. so if you put your money (pesos) in the bank at the best rate you can reasonably obtain, you still lose 10-20% p.a. |
| 05:48.53 | wolfspraul | sure sure, I can imagine |
| 05:49.00 | wolfspraul | once the imbalances pop up they pop up all over |
| 05:49.21 | wolfspraul | that's why I looked up when I read the news about stores with imported goods running out of them :-) |
| 05:50.02 | wolfspraul | there are all sorts of new ways to make money now, I'm sure :-) |
| 05:52.16 | wpwrak | not all that many, since all this is really hurting the industry, so you may be able to get a bigger slice but of a much smaller cake. and a lot of people who think they're making money are losing in the end. |
| 05:55.49 | wpwrak | it's a bit like the broken window fallacy |
| 05:57.29 | wpwrak | and of course, people are afraid the government may force a conversion of dollar deposits to pesos (at the official rate). that's why many are withdrawing their dollars from the banks and put them either in safe deposit boxes (which are scarce, due to the high demand), or hide them somewhere. |
| 05:58.59 | wolfspraul | yes of course don't misunderstand me. obviously the macro policy is wrong and hurting everybody collectively |
| 05:59.00 | wpwrak | by sheer coincidence, crime rates are up, with breaking into apartments getting particularly popular. if the inhabitants happen to be present, they get threatened and/or tortured until they reveal where they're hiding their treasures. |
| 05:59.14 | wolfspraul | I am joking saying that it does open some micro opportunities on the other side |
| 05:59.18 | wolfspraul | it does, but it's stupid |
| 05:59.24 | wolfspraul | but what can you do |
| 06:00.08 | wolfspraul | so when will it get better? |
| 06:00.20 | wolfspraul | does the lack of imported good bug you? probably not... |
| 06:00.29 | wolfspraul | that's probably one of the minor issues anyway, can live without them |
| 06:00.55 | wpwrak | i suppose when the point will be reached when it collapses completely and the government is chased out |
| 06:01.04 | wpwrak | happened in 2001. can happen again. |
| 06:02.26 | wpwrak | the lack of imported goods means that there are fewer choices at the supermarket. also, if any appliances would break down, i couldn't replace them with anything equivalent. |
| 06:03.05 | wpwrak | i'm a bit worried about my fridge. it has 10 years on its back and makes funny noises. |
| 06:04.57 | wpwrak | and it's best not to need any unusual medication ... |
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| 06:52.09 | whitequark | wpwrak: 10 years?! Soviet fridges work for 40 years without a hitch. |
| 06:54.13 | wpwrak | whitequark: well, maybe mine will last for 20 years of continuous use, too (= 40 years in russia, where you don't need a fridge in winter :) |
| 06:54.52 | whitequark | haeh |
| 06:55.14 | whitequark | yeah, defrosting fridges in winter is common here |
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| 15:36.37 | mth | I think the module Ayla is thinking of is not compiled as a loadable module |
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| 16:29.39 | Ayla | it's not, indeed |
| 16:33.13 | larsc | Ayla: you want to unregister a driver and want to reregister it with different platform data? |
| 16:33.21 | larsc | s/driver/device/ |
| 16:33.21 | qi-bot | larsc meant: "Ayla: you want to unregister a device and want to reregister it with different platform data?" |
| 16:38.24 | Ayla | larsc, correct |
| 16:39.39 | larsc | well, then just do that ;) platform_device_register and platform_device_unregister |
| 16:43.11 | Ayla | ok |
| 16:48.28 | mth | there is the risk of course that the destruction code is buggy because it is never used |
| 16:52.44 | Ayla | larsc: but if I do that, the driver won't be stopped, am I right? |
| 16:52.53 | Ayla | which means that it'll still attempt to access its platform data |
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| 17:06.27 | larsc | Ayla: if you unregister the device it is gone |
| 17:06.38 | larsc | and won't access it's platform_data anymore |
| 17:07.07 | Ayla | good enough |
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| 22:26.27 | wolfspraul | hi |
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