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11:13.05kristianpaulI like that 100usd idea
11:13.12kristianpaulor 110 120 ;)
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11:49.23wpwrak100 USD idea ?
11:50.07xiangfuI think kristianpaul talking about dvdk's email
11:51.06xiangfuthis one http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2012-June/009708.html
11:51.57xiangfuwpwrak, do you have any idea on atusb error: http://pastebin.com/0AApmAE6
11:52.06xiangfu"failed submitting bulk urb, error -2"
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11:53.27wpwrak(100 usd) aah !  USD (100-1) + 1 :)
11:54.48xiangfu:-)
11:54.51wpwrakerror -2 is -ENOENT. that's an unusual one
11:55.42wpwraknot sure what exactly it means. sounds a bit like an addressing problem.
11:56.14xiangfuhttp://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/master/target/linux/xburst/patches-3.3/800-WPAN-new-files.patch#L5318
11:58.23xiangfuI just compiled kernel with atusb support on my laptop. now try to boot that kernel.
11:59.48xiangfuI modify the all from 'NETIF_F_NO_CSUM' to 'NETIF_F_HW_CSUM'
12:00.13xiangfusince there are no NETIF_F_NO_CSUM anymore. I modify that base on kernel log
12:00.33xiangfuand changed http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/master/target/linux/xburst/patches-3.3/800-WPAN-new-files.patch#L6042
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12:42.14xiangfuwpwrak,  the kernel I build for x86_64. I got same error on atusb. :(
13:01.38wpwrakxiangfu: yeah, makes sense. the problem looks as if it was at the interface to the USB subsystem
13:02.02wpwrakxiangfu: maybe some URB fields changed their use ?
13:09.54xiangfuI will look into the URB change log.
13:15.15wpwrakmaybe try to track down where the ENOENT comes from. that should shed some light on the issue.
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14:57.03kristianpaulhi dvdk :)
14:57.20dvdkhi
14:57.48kristianpaul100usd good to me,
14:57.56kristianpaulBut i also wanted to comment about development
14:58.06kristianpaulMost mobile devices have an SDK
14:58.37kristianpauland owrt provide a SDK, but is no the most friendly for UI desing for example
14:59.03kristianpaulWhat do you think about the lack(?) of a nanonote SDK for developing apps
14:59.25dvdkkristianpaul: owrt is not really a SDK, it's more a build system.  
14:59.27kristianpaulI'm not against porting, but something you need develop for making thing more unified
14:59.36kristianpauldvdk: exactly (owrt)
14:59.58dvdkyou'd have to decide on a tooolchain/menu-system to base your sdk on.
15:00.05dvdkmaybe qt, maybe sdk, maybe sth else
15:00.39kristianpaulyeah nanomap for example was developed in qt for the nanonote
15:00.40Aylafunny, we were speaking about UI design onĀ #dingoonity like 30min ago
15:00.45dvdkI've always been in favor of a script-language based approach that'd move the SDK part to the nanonote, i.e. user won't ahve to install stuff on his pc
15:01.56dvdkmaybe putting a simple SDK onto the nanonote, one that can be used remotely via e.g. tightvncclient might be the sipmlest way?
15:02.06kristianpaulah good point
15:02.31kristianpaulAyla: any conclusions? :-)
15:03.10kristianpaulAyla: dingoo have lots of games, and porting more very day, i heard also you have a online "library" of games as well no?
15:03.24dvdkall of this lives and dies with a well-made documentation/tutorial
15:04.50dvdkthe RHIDE IDE feels a little bit like a modern desktop OS despite running on a terminal http://www.rhide.com/.  used it extensively some 10 years ago.
15:04.57Aylakristianpaul: we didn't really conclude anything. I was suggesting to use the EFL instead of Qt/embedded to design UIs
15:05.24dvdk(wrt rhide) also implements proper project management, online help via GNU info-files etc.
15:05.39Aylakristianpaul: and yes, we have an online library: http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/dingoo.cgi
15:05.40Aylabut not everything is there
15:09.49kristianpaulbasically porting more apps and let gmenu2x do the glue is the esiest simple way than develop own app..
15:10.38dvdkkristianpaul: agree, porting is much more productive than developing from scratch
15:11.53Aylacertainly
15:11.58Aylabut gmenu2x is a piece of crap
15:12.17dvdkstarted coding a replacement from scratch, but it's not even 50% done.
15:12.36dvdkalso that one will be even more crappy :)
15:12.44Aylamore info please :p
15:13.12dvdkhttp://mosquito.dyndns.tv/opensvn/free/trunk/almenu/
15:13.19dvdkmaybe 10% complete
15:13.35dvdkugly but low footprint, designed for fast startup
15:14.10Aylammhhh allegro
15:14.55dvdkanything to complain about allegro? we have a very stable, efficient port running on nanonote
15:15.39Aylayeah. Never got it to work on the dingoo
15:15.41dvdkwe even have (partial) python bindings
15:16.02dvdkand alex4, and aseprite painting program, and and and... :)
15:16.34Aylaa SDL backend for allegro would be nice :)
15:16.55dvdkAyla: just strip it down to only use fbdev driver, why bother with SDL? also look at our patches.  I think i tweaked video mode selection a little.
15:17.22dvdkAyla: allegro has a lot of backends, maybe SDL is among it?
15:17.45dvdkwe even have sw-synthesized midi driver working in allegro.
15:18.29dvdkcall me an allegro fan :)
15:19.56kristianpaul:)
15:21.53AylaSDL 1.* is flawed
15:21.59Aylabut SDL 2.0 has a much better design
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15:34.28dvdkAyla: for me sdl always felt like having too many layers, too much "API" to be fun to program.  This is were allegre excells.
15:34.37dvdks/allegre/allegro/
15:34.39qi-botdvdk meant: "Ayla: for me sdl always felt like having too many layers, too much "API" to be fun to program.  This is were allegro excells."
15:35.25kristianpauldvdk: had you coded games for allegro before?
15:35.42wpwrakhuh ? SDL ? that's about as bare metal as it gets ...
15:37.33kristianpaulwpwrak: did you find the fonts API?
15:37.35kristianpaul:-)
15:38.49dvdkkristianpaul: http://mosquito.dyndns.tv/opensvn/free/trunk/tf/
15:39.21dvdk(mostly developed during about 1998-2000)
15:42.38dvdkwpwrak: wrt api: allegro has stuff like key[KEY_SPACE] to check for (possibly concurrent) keypresses.  or you write stuff like screen->w to get screen size.  use of global vars in APIs has somewhat declined recently :)
15:44.40wpwrakdvdk: hmm, you can get keys and screen size in SDL, too. it's not particularly difficult.
15:45.36wpwrakkristianpaul: yeah, picking the right thing to use on top of SDL is kinda tricky
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