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| 00:21.12 | kristianpaul | oh |
| 00:21.16 | kristianpaul | i will wolfspraul |
| 00:22.58 | wolfspraul | great, thanks |
| 00:23.22 | kristianpaul | btw i still got Forbidden for m1 not found for gps |
| 00:23.27 | wolfspraul | sure |
| 00:23.34 | wolfspraul | because I just deleted everything and rebuilding now |
| 00:23.39 | kristianpaul | ok ok |
| 00:23.41 | wolfspraul | forbidden or 404? |
| 00:23.47 | wolfspraul | which url is not working right now, and what is the error? |
| 00:24.09 | kristianpaul | board-m1 forbidden |
| 00:24.37 | kristianpaul | m1-gps-expansion 404, but i guess because just one commit so far :) |
| 00:25.13 | wolfspraul | board-m1 is currently being rebuilt |
| 00:25.21 | wolfspraul | there is no index.html yet so the end result is forbidden |
| 00:25.27 | wolfspraul | m1-gps hasn't started yet, so it's 404 |
| 00:25.43 | wolfspraul | no, there is 1 nice page in m1-gps, you will see later :-) |
| 00:25.51 | kristianpaul | wow how long it take to rebuild? |
| 00:26.19 | wolfspraul | don't know |
| 00:26.26 | wolfspraul | a few hours? |
| 00:26.28 | wolfspraul | 1 hr? |
| 00:26.30 | wolfspraul | don't know |
| 00:26.37 | wolfspraul | I just deleted everything and it will rebuild everything |
| 00:26.43 | wolfspraul | normally it only adds incrementally on top |
| 00:27.25 | kristianpaul | okay |
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| 01:09.18 | qi-bot | [commit] Werner Almesberger: schhist/schhist2web: correctly align shared columns (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/d8f5c95 |
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| 02:33.29 | wolfspraul | alright, all schematics histories rebuilt |
| 02:34.42 | wolfspraul | please let me now if anyone spots a problem still |
| 02:35.20 | wolfspraul | roh: a little while back you were asking about easier entry points, PDF |
| 02:35.26 | wolfspraul | here is the overview now http://projects.qi-hardware.com/schhist/board-m1/ |
| 02:36.00 | wolfspraul | and the link to a complete latest schematics PDF is always this one http://projects.qi-hardware.com/schhist/board-m1/pdf_m1.pdf |
| 02:36.15 | wolfspraul | (which is auto-rebuilt after commits) |
| 02:36.24 | wolfspraul | lemme see how clean it looks :-) |
| 02:38.13 | wolfspraul | wow, nice |
| 02:38.23 | wolfspraul | wpwrak cladamw - congrats! |
| 02:38.47 | wolfspraul | a few things I noticed - would be nice if the first page overview had hyperlinks to the individual schematics pages |
| 02:39.21 | wolfspraul | also, the entire file has no mentioning of license whatsoever, it should mention cc-by-sa somewhere, just to give people confidence |
| 02:39.30 | wolfspraul | or whatever license we think this falls under |
| 02:39.53 | wolfspraul | without any copyright or license info, a lot of people will assume there is some hook somewhere |
| 02:40.27 | wpwrak | the compliments are all adam's - he did all the hard work. i was just heckling :) |
| 02:40.45 | wpwrak | (c) good point |
| 02:41.05 | wpwrak | (links) hmm. very tricky. |
| 02:41.32 | wolfspraul | I cannot search text (like FLASH_A9), strange |
| 02:41.42 | wolfspraul | hyperlinks between wires would also be nice |
| 02:41.51 | wolfspraul | there is no index |
| 02:42.06 | wpwrak | there's worse. the PDF isn't searchable (kicad doesn't produce the tags and there is nothing postscript would recognize as text in the file) |
| 02:42.07 | wolfspraul | even though the PDF has 19 tidy pages, it's only 1.3 MB - great |
| 02:42.25 | wolfspraul | yes, not searchable - just noticed |
| 02:42.29 | wpwrak | (not searchable) yup :) |
| 02:42.32 | wolfspraul | and no hyperlinks between wires either |
| 02:42.39 | wpwrak | that would be nice too, yes |
| 02:42.59 | wolfspraul | ok, but copyright and license should be added |
| 02:43.01 | wolfspraul | first step |
| 02:43.15 | wpwrak | though, perhaps that needs more than just simple links. e.g., if there are multiple peers, where do you go ? |
| 02:43.19 | wolfspraul | the searchability and hyperlinks probably need to be improved in kicad, I would think? |
| 02:43.21 | wpwrak | yrd, that's easy |
| 02:43.26 | wpwrak | s/yrd/yes |
| 02:43.27 | qi-bot | wpwrak meant: "yes, that's easy" |
| 02:43.38 | wpwrak | yup. they need some serious kicad work |
| 02:44.08 | wpwrak | at some point in time we may also want to fix those bloody arcs. i thought they had done this years ago, but no ... |
| 02:44.38 | wolfspraul | the individual pages have no title whatsoever, so you may initially be confused about which page you are on |
| 02:45.00 | wpwrak | also one of my minor gripes |
| 02:45.09 | wolfspraul | unless that is our secret trick to get people to *memorize* the overview faster :-) |
| 02:45.33 | wolfspraul | so yeah, I think that's it at first glance |
| 02:45.38 | wpwrak | actually, in the PDF generated by schhist it's a major gripe :) |
| 02:46.01 | wolfspraul | license, searchability, hyperlinks, titles, index |
| 02:46.08 | wpwrak | the ones i print have the sheet name in that little box. hard to read, though |
| 02:46.37 | wolfspraul | yeah that box is ugly, not sure what is better - nothing or that standard box |
| 02:47.05 | wolfspraul | the license should be there, right on the first page ideally |
| 02:47.17 | wolfspraul | and some THANKS mentioning all contributors |
| 02:47.49 | wpwrak | index .. i get one (PDF index) |
| 02:48.42 | wolfspraul | I mean a listing of all pins/wires |
| 02:48.50 | wpwrak | (THANKS better have a link to a page with more data. or just the repository. replicated THANKS lists rot even faster than commented-out code ;-) |
| 02:48.56 | wolfspraul | making it searchable would help a lot |
| 02:49.04 | wpwrak | (index) oh, i see. |
| 02:49.38 | wolfspraul | I think the PDF is the major entry point for anyone looking at the schematics |
| 02:49.39 | wpwrak | at some point, it's better to just use eeschema |
| 02:50.00 | wolfspraul | so I would still repeat the attributions (thanks) on the first page, yes. it's important to highlight our culture and values. |
| 02:50.03 | wpwrak | so i'd leave out the really deep stuff |
| 02:50.11 | wolfspraul | 95% or more will never move past the PDF stage |
| 02:50.21 | wpwrak | a agree on general searching, though |
| 02:50.27 | wolfspraul | yes |
| 02:54.38 | wpwrak | (highlight culture and values) not sure. those credits lose meaning quickly once a project goes beyond a very small number of people. it's still good to record who contributed, but it doesn't really need to take up space on the front page (figuratively speaking) |
| 02:55.22 | wpwrak | the record would be more for confirming someone's claims of having participated in a project. of course, the role would still be difficult to assess without much deeper examination |
| 02:56.32 | wpwrak | so that's for a) providing credentials to people who don't know you or your work, and b) legal battles (e.g., to prove that you're a copyright holder) |
| 02:57.33 | wpwrak | a lot of b) is already covered by commit logs and commit policies. we don't have the latter, but we're also tiny with a flat hierarchy, so this matters less |
| 03:04.15 | wolfspraul | nah |
| 03:04.23 | wolfspraul | nothing better than THANKS, the more the merrier |
| 03:05.28 | wolfspraul | and I wouldn't even make one fuss about who is who. it's a different level. someone who reported a typo back is listed together with someone who may have contribute an entire new subsystem. |
| 03:05.52 | wolfspraul | it's about expressing the culture of collaboration, nothing more |
| 03:05.59 | wolfspraul | (or less :-)) |
| 03:06.28 | wolfspraul | just a pretty obvious question to ask now that the PDF is just 'bare metal', so to speak |
| 03:06.58 | wolfspraul | makes me wonder who the people are |
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| 03:50.09 | wpwrak | hmm. i don't think it works this way :) but the people who need to find that credits file, wherever it may be, tend to find it .. |
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| 07:39.15 | LunaVorax | Good morning everyone! |
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| 10:49.01 | wolfspraul | good morning |
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| 13:22.06 | kristianpaul | morning |
| 13:26.34 | viric | hola kristianpaul |
| 13:26.39 | viric | xiangfu: one question about chinese |
| 13:27.05 | viric | xiangfu: many sites have the simplified/traditional chinese options. Do people write manually in both, or computer programs can map one into the other? |
| 13:29.47 | wolfspraul | >95% of chinese are learning and more comfortable with simplified |
| 13:30.02 | wolfspraul | are learning = 'have learned' at some point in their lives |
| 13:30.19 | viric | but I mean... can a computer map between simplified and traditional? |
| 13:30.23 | viric | or it requires manual work? |
| 13:30.30 | wolfspraul | >95% of websites are equally simplified, and people write simplified, and read simplified |
| 13:31.01 | wolfspraul | computer can map, but it's not 100%, maybe a little better or similar to google translate going from, say, spanish to english :-) |
| 13:31.15 | viric | ah ok |
| 13:31.20 | wolfspraul | maybe a little better, but there are still lots of ambiguities. google translate is probably pretty good at it |
| 13:31.24 | wolfspraul | but that's a non-issue really |
| 13:31.25 | wolfspraul | no need |
| 13:31.36 | viric | It's not like... types to handwriting |
| 13:31.37 | wolfspraul | the only 2 very small regions that are 'native' in traditional are hong kong and taiwan |
| 13:31.46 | wolfspraul | so that's what 8 + 25 million? |
| 13:31.47 | wolfspraul | 33 |
| 13:31.56 | wolfspraul | but simplified is more like 1.3 billion or so |
| 13:32.19 | wolfspraul | so in hong kong and taiwan, it's all traditional, in the rest simplified |
| 13:32.29 | viric | yes I knew |
| 13:32.53 | wolfspraul | I don't think many sites have both actually |
| 13:32.59 | wolfspraul | maybe sites in HK and Taiwan do :-) |
| 13:33.06 | viric | can be |
| 13:33.11 | wolfspraul | most mainland sites I know of don't bother much with traditional |
| 13:33.27 | viric | I find that most I've seen (by chance - I don't go to chinese sites at will) have the options |
| 13:33.48 | viric | so, both traditional and simplified are each written manually, on websites showing both |
| 13:33.51 | wolfspraul | in my personal opinion, they should have gone further and straight to an alphabet |
| 13:34.10 | viric | yes, like koreans |
| 13:34.21 | wolfspraul | but that revolutionary chance has passed (there were such plans and efforts, but revolutions caused too much pain already and nobody really nobody wants to get back to this stuff now) |
| 13:35.09 | viric | wolfspraul: when they get an alphabet, maybe they'll have better mapping between sounds and letters, not disasters like English or French. |
| 13:35.20 | wolfspraul | it won't happen anyway |
| 13:36.15 | wolfspraul | I am getting happier with chrome and auto-translation by the day |
| 13:36.43 | viric | I thought you were more of open source |
| 13:36.46 | viric | :) |
| 13:36.53 | wolfspraul | and that is not? |
| 13:37.04 | viric | where is the translator? |
| 13:37.19 | wolfspraul | plus relax, if you get me started you will never hear the stopping of ranting about foss anymore :-) |
| 13:37.33 | viric | haha :) |
| 13:37.42 | wolfspraul | I think I already have to be careful with my constant "get an iphone if you want a good phone" advice... :-) |
| 13:38.07 | viric | this week, I tried to get two people show me how they get a QR code with their super phones |
| 13:38.09 | wolfspraul | I actually, until you raised it, never thought for one second about the fact that google translate is, oh my god, indeed, a CLOSED SaaS! |
| 13:38.10 | viric | both failed |
| 13:38.12 | wolfspraul | OH MY GOD |
| 13:38.19 | wolfspraul | I will slap on my back for a while now |
| 13:38.23 | viric | wolfspraul: well done! :) |
| 13:38.25 | wolfspraul | how could I not have noticed? |
| 13:38.30 | wolfspraul | I just don't care maybe? |
| 13:38.31 | wolfspraul | urgh |
| 13:38.35 | wolfspraul | it just works? |
| 13:38.38 | wolfspraul | oh my |
| 13:38.48 | viric | you should stop using things that just work ;) |
| 13:38.59 | viric | If it works, it's a trap |
| 13:39.05 | wolfspraul | yeah |
| 13:39.11 | wolfspraul | pick foss, and you will never worry about anything else anymore |
| 13:39.12 | wolfspraul | H AHA |
| 13:39.17 | wolfspraul | indeed! |
| 13:39.18 | wolfspraul | :-) |
| 13:39.35 | wolfspraul | ok I hold myself back now |
| 13:39.43 | wolfspraul | not to taint this beautiful channel :-) |
| 13:45.36 | GNUtoo-desktop | http://www.apertium.org/index.php?id=translatetext <- not a closed SaaS but doesn't support chinese.... |
| 13:46.15 | viric | apertium only works between close languages |
| 13:46.18 | wolfspraul | good |
| 13:46.24 | GNUtoo-desktop | ah ok |
| 13:46.30 | viric | by design |
| 13:46.31 | wolfspraul | can firefox integrate this so I can just right-click on stuff to translate? |
| 13:46.34 | GNUtoo-desktop | ok |
| 13:47.29 | wolfspraul | anyway it's a good link - thanks! learning new things, never heard about apertium... |
| 13:47.46 | kristianpaul | hides |
| 13:47.47 | viric | I've a friend working at it |
| 13:48.35 | kristianpaul | sigh, i have to two steps to get apertium translate from english to spanish.. |
| 13:49.38 | wpwrak | kristianpaul: i see english -> spanish there |
| 13:49.56 | kristianpaul | oh |
| 13:50.06 | kristianpaul | thats new to me >:) |
| 13:50.11 | kristianpaul | really |
| 13:50.44 | wpwrak | and it even seems to work :) it's pick about orthography, though |
| 13:52.45 | viric | the best should be catalan related and esperanto :) |
| 13:52.56 | kristianpaul | i was to say that |
| 13:53.54 | kristianpaul | ah, yes, spanish -> english is beta |
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| 19:05.51 | qi-bot | [commit] Paul Cercueil: MIPS: JZ4740: SLCD: Toggle TV-out through /sys instead of ioctl. (jz-3.3) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/6068b05 |
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| 19:06.52 | Jay7 | tv-out? |
| 19:07.13 | Jay7 | is it just merge from upstream? |
| 19:07.28 | Jay7 | or for some real Qi-HW device? |
| 19:08.00 | Ayla | the SLCD driver is used only for the dingoo a320 |
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| 23:00.14 | whitequark | I just rewrote irclogger from scratch |
| 23:00.20 | whitequark | it shouldn't suck as much anymore |
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| 23:04.20 | wpwrak | the log collector ? or the presentation ? |
| 23:05.40 | whitequark | collector |
| 23:05.50 | whitequark | the presentation was fine, whereas collector randomly died |
| 23:06.18 | whitequark | I added several quick hacks to it and nothing has changed, so now I rewrote it on a much better IRC library |
| 23:06.26 | whitequark | and solved a TODO item which lasted for months |
| 23:06.40 | wpwrak | ah, i see |
| 23:07.10 | wpwrak | oh, that's not an unusual age for TODO items. in fact, it's easy for such things to become immortal ;-) |
| 23:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* true |
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