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| 02:44.32 | qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: pwr.lib: fixed pin name (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/5140476 |
| 03:02.57 | qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: js28f256j3f105.lib: removed duplicated pin22 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/f0ec97a |
| 03:07.14 | cladamw | (KiCad BZR 3494) it CANT detect an err about duplicated pin when ERC. It's bad. (i.e. I cant reply on the ERC in eeschema) Must do ERC in Library Editor prior to schematic editor. |
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| 03:10.53 | wpwrak | yeah, i think it only detects duplicate pins in schematics if they cause some other problem. e.g., if two outputs drive the same net |
| 03:17.51 | cladamw | yeah. eeschema could detect some wrong while verifying electrical types, but i was amazing that it cant detect that Pin22's in flash chip even we got 0 err before. so i just finished all board-m1's symbols checked by "Test for duplicate and off grid pins". man! |
| 03:19.10 | cladamw | wpwrak, i just summaried some contents of your mails for http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Rules_on_Editing_Schematics |
| 03:20.22 | cladamw | some sub-tiltle names may be not good. few are I've not filled in. If you have new idea once, lemme know then we put idea in there. |
| 03:22.49 | cladamw | need more worse/bad, better/good pictures to show each rules. i'll keep working on this while i make sch better, the gta-02 pdf link is a nice example though. thanks. |
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| 03:46.54 | wpwrak | whee, schhist is back ! :) |
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| 06:00.32 | qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: diodes_inc.lib: AP21X2A -> changed to nRESET and FLG pins to inverted style. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/1df0097 |
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| 07:20.13 | wpwrak | cladamw: great page ! the illustrations really help |
| 07:48.25 | cladamw | wpwrak, :-) |
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| 15:34.25 | Ayla | maybe Nanonote users want it too |
| 15:46.16 | mth | the NanoNote font uses special colored glyphs to get the best result on the alternating subpixel positions on its screen, afaik |
| 15:46.39 | mth | not sure if a generic font can beat that |
| 15:58.15 | qi-bot | [commit] Paul Cercueil: Read the credits from the "about.txt" file. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/c2576d4 |
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| 16:06.00 | kyak | mth: not using it by default anymore due to a popular request |
| 16:06.13 | kyak | default is 6x11 |
| 16:06.35 | kyak | which i would really like to replace with terminus by default |
| 16:08.04 | Ayla | ah, then you should switch to 6x10 too |
| 16:08.20 | kyak | the font you talking about is greta, but has no colors.. so we provide a special shortcut for that |
| 16:08.36 | kyak | in gmenu |
| 16:08.55 | Ayla | you can write in color, using escape codes |
| 16:09.01 | kyak | nope |
| 16:09.17 | kyak | it just doesn,t have colors.. |
| 16:09.29 | kyak | as mth said, it IS colored |
| 16:09.56 | Ayla | what is the value of $TERM ? |
| 16:10.03 | kyak | but special placement of ben,s pixels makes it look like it,s not colored |
| 16:10.28 | kyak | you dont, quite understand, sorry :) |
| 16:10.34 | Ayla | no I don't |
| 16:10.55 | kyak | there is an article in qi wiki , search for setfont2 |
| 16:11.11 | kyak | i cant,t give you the link right now |
| 16:11.36 | kyak | we can dispaly colors, but with other fonts |
| 16:11.50 | kyak | liks 6x11 or terminus or any other |
| 16:12.11 | kyak | just not that special font from setfont2 |
| 16:12.23 | kyak | irrelevant of TERM env var |
| 16:13.03 | Ayla | if TERM=vt100 you won't have color at all |
| 16:14.09 | kyak | did you read the article? |
| 16:14.31 | Ayla | I'm looking for it :) |
| 16:14.39 | kyak | it,s linux btw, but again, it doesn,t matter |
| 16:14.54 | mth | kyak: if you're using 6x11 now, then the 6x10 font I just committed is probably an improvement |
| 16:15.08 | mth | 3 more lines and more distinct characters |
| 16:15.21 | kyak | that,s for sure |
| 16:15.37 | kyak | does it have ascii onky? |
| 16:15.45 | kyak | only |
| 16:15.59 | mth | it's forked off the 6x11 font, same chars |
| 16:16.05 | kyak | ah ok |
| 16:16.34 | kyak | you should make it global then, ben users won,t mind :) |
| 16:16.49 | mth | the 6x11 font had a very large line spacing, so it was easy to remove one line from each char |
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| 16:17.17 | mth | it's in the qi-kernel git; I don't know how to get it from there to NN users |
| 16:18.10 | kyak | we have this font in userspace, it,s loaded by startup scrapts |
| 16:18.39 | kyak | i guess we just don,t load it and then we will get 6x11 |
| 16:19.01 | kyak | 6x10 sorry |
| 16:23.07 | kyak | once we catch up with qi-kernel git, of course |
| 16:23.48 | kyak | mth: did you try that terminus font to see how it looks? |
| 16:24.12 | mth | no, but I don't have a NanoNote and the Dingoo has an ordinary LCD panel |
| 16:24.21 | kyak | if not, you should try; it,s really a nice looking font |
| 16:24.32 | kyak | even better |
| 16:24.43 | kyak | it,s not nanonote specific |
| 16:25.02 | mth | ah, terminus is not the colored font? |
| 16:25.42 | kyak | nope, it,s a regular font |
| 16:25.50 | kyak | but has more glyphs |
| 16:26.11 | kyak | i use it by default on my laptop as well |
| 16:26.32 | kyak | very popular in a cyrillic world |
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| 16:28.02 | mth | it looks rather similar to the 6x11 font though |
| 16:28.48 | kyak | well, it looks much better.. but all fonts are similar anyway ) |
| 16:29.59 | mth | this is the 6x10 font: http://www.treewalker.org/temp/font_6x10.png |
| 16:31.20 | kyak | indeed very nice and has more than ascii glyphs |
| 16:31.42 | mth | it's the IBM PC character set, I think |
| 16:31.43 | kyak | i,ll try it on ben,s screen as soon as i can |
| 16:32.35 | mth | if you want to change character, here are the tools: http://www.treewalker.org/temp/font2png.py http://www.treewalker.org/temp/png2font.py |
| 16:32.51 | kyak | oh great |
| 16:33.26 | kyak | kick out something useless, add in cyrillic :) |
| 16:34.19 | mth | "font" format here is C source for inclusion in the kernel |
| 16:34.29 | mth | not sure what kind of format the user space tool wants |
| 16:34.37 | mth | but it shouldn't be hard to adapt the scripts |
| 16:34.51 | mth | they need the Python Imaging Library installed, by the way |
| 16:35.20 | mth | I didn't feel like writing an image decoder |
| 16:35.48 | kyak | it,s easy to convert between kernel c and usespace font |
| 16:36.11 | kyak | please kill the links yet, i,ll get to it in couple of days |
| 16:36.24 | kyak | dont,t kil) |
| 16:36.35 | mth | it's called "temp" because it won't be around forever, but probably it will take a few years before I remove them |
| 16:37.02 | kyak | good :) |
| 16:37.47 | kyak | where did you find the fork btw? |
| 16:38.06 | mth | I forked it myself |
| 16:38.20 | mth | I wrote the tools this morning |
| 16:38.31 | kyak | hehe, pretty awesome! |
| 16:38.38 | mth | and edited the PNG version in GIMP |
| 16:38.56 | mth | 1x1 square tip pencil, "x" to swap black and white |
| 16:39.04 | mth | at 400% zoom |
| 16:39.13 | kyak | it,s similar to what we do with setfont2 |
| 16:40.26 | kyak | setfont2 is a code name for that colored font if you wonder |
| 16:40.48 | mth | ah, I thought it was a package for changing fonts |
| 16:40.50 | kyak | you can have a look at according repo in qi git.. |
| 16:41.02 | kyak | it,s a package too :) |
| 16:41.14 | kyak | plus kernel patch |
| 16:42.00 | kyak | the utility, kernel patch, the font and utils to create such fonts |
| 16:42.36 | mth | you're using a 32x8 grid as well :) |
| 16:42.52 | kyak | yeah |
| 16:43.17 | kyak | so we get the same terminal size |
| 16:43.39 | mth | and using pygame for image loading, instead of PIL |
| 16:43.42 | kyak | btw setfont2 provides a 4x6 font |
| 16:44.05 | kyak | which it damn tiny as you can imagine |
| 16:44.19 | mth | we were using a 4x6 font from the kernel source tree, but it was very hard to read |
| 16:44.49 | mth | then Ayla switched to 8x8, which was an improvement but 40 chars per line isn't much |
| 16:45.10 | kyak | the regulat 4x6 font is not readable, but 4x6 from setfont2 is readable, though not for a very long time |
| 16:45.24 | mth | so we tried 6x11 which looked OK but 11 matches very poorly with a height of 240 |
| 16:45.33 | kyak | then your eyes start bleeding |
| 16:45.46 | mth | of course, as a prime number, 11 matches poorly with almost anything |
| 16:45.59 | kyak | yeah.. |
| 16:46.09 | mth | but 1 or 2 leftover pixels would have been OK, but it was over half a character |
| 16:46.20 | kyak | what a werid number to choose for whoever created that font |
| 16:46.43 | mth | it says it was intended for Macs, maybe they had hardware 6x11 chars? |
| 16:47.41 | kyak | they have a weird?resolution, which divides by 11? |
| 16:48.49 | mth | I don't know |
| 16:49.08 | mth | I was never interested in Macs until they started running unix |
| 16:50.25 | kyak | hm. weren,t they running unix from the beginning? |
| 16:50.34 | mth | nope, only since OS X |
| 16:50.54 | mth | OS X has almost nothing in common with OS 9, at the code level |
| 16:51.11 | mth | it was a rebranded Next Step |
| 16:51.12 | kyak | interesting! what was it before? |
| 16:51.20 | mth | horrible ;) |
| 16:51.28 | mth | some kind of cooperative multitasking |
| 16:51.54 | mth | wikipedia says 512 × 384 display; 384 % 11 == 1, so it's possible they used 11-high fonts on it |
| 16:52.22 | kyak | hehe |
| 16:53.27 | mth | I'm not sure if Macs even have a console-only mode though |
| 16:53.44 | mth | if it's only GUI, then the font height and screen res don't have to be connected |
| 16:53.58 | kyak | do you know if their licensing had changed since they switched to unix? |
| 16:54.41 | kyak | like.. they need to release the source code, don,t they? |
| 16:55.08 | mth | almost everything they use is BSD licensed |
| 16:55.25 | mth | GCC is the exception, but they're moving away from that to clang |
| 16:55.49 | mth | they do release a lot of the sources, even if it's not required |
| 16:55.52 | kyak | i rememer their vertical resolution is something like 1440, which doesn,t divide by 11 ) |
| 16:56.07 | mth | for modern Macs, yes |
| 16:56.15 | kyak | why would linux kernel fonts support mac anyway? |
| 16:56.16 | mth | but those render with subpixel positioning |
| 16:56.24 | mth | Linux runs on Mac hardware |
| 16:56.35 | mth | including old m68k ones |
| 16:56.40 | kyak | ah.. |
| 16:56.43 | kyak | sure.. |
| 16:57.09 | mth | Debian has/had a m68k version, but the build machines could never keep up with new releases |
| 16:57.37 | kyak | new releases of what? |
| 16:57.47 | mth | of upstream packages |
| 16:57.59 | mth | still better then IA64, where we'd get build logs with internal compiler errors |
| 16:58.09 | mth | s/then/than |
| 16:58.10 | qi-bot | mth meant: "still better than IA64, where we'd get build logs with internal compiler errors" |
| 16:58.15 | kyak | so they had to reduce the number of supported archs? fuuny ) |
| 16:58.52 | mth | I think they have a half-supported category, where they do the best they can but don't consider broken or unavailable packages a reason to delay Debian releases |
| 16:59.49 | mth | "we" == "openMSX team" here, by the way |
| 17:00.14 | mth | we like to have our sources built on as wide a range of OS and hardware as possible |
| 17:00.35 | kyak | have to google the openMSX thing ) |
| 17:00.37 | mth | most exotic combination we succeeded on was OpenBSD/Alpha, I think |
| 17:00.46 | mth | openmsx.sf.net |
| 17:00.55 | mth | it's an emulator |
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| 17:05.58 | kyak | mth: forgive me my ignorance, never heard of msx before |
| 17:06.14 | kyak | now i read abot it) |
| 17:07.03 | kyak | so it,s an old school calculator, put it like that |
| 17:07.08 | mth | Yamaha MSX machines were used in education in Russia in the 80's |
| 17:07.12 | mth | even with a kind of network |
| 17:07.20 | mth | not calculator, home computer |
| 17:07.47 | mth | like C64, ZX Spectrum |
| 17:08.58 | mth | you could connect it to a TV or to an RGB monitor |
| 17:09.20 | mth | and use it for games, for programming or for serious stuff |
| 17:09.42 | kyak | i read the hardware has been emulated on altera cyclone |
| 17:09.46 | kyak | that, reallt cool |
| 17:10.48 | mth | and the sources for that are available, so it could be ported to Milkymist if the FPGA has enough gates |
| 17:11.05 | kyak | thats what i thought of |
| 17:11.09 | kyak | mth: so msx is really dead, it,s just a bunch of enthusiasts? |
| 17:13.53 | mth | it's been commercially dead since about 1990 |
| 17:14.01 | mth | but still every year new games are released |
| 17:14.18 | kyak | really amazing! |
| 17:14.56 | mth | this is the most popular competition for new games: http://msxdev.msxblue.com/?page_id=378 |
| 17:16.12 | mth | I have to go now, talk to you later |
| 17:16.43 | kyak | bye, thanks for the talk! |
| 17:19.07 | kyak | i guess i can just install the emulator and go play these games.. pretty great, though im not of a gaming kind of guy |
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| 18:18.26 | Jay7 | ZX Spectrum is the best! :) |
| 18:20.54 | Ayla | when I was a kid I had an Amstrad CPC |
| 18:21.07 | Ayla | ... my father threw it away x_x |
| 18:22.06 | kyak | first time i saw a computer it was pentium I. When i was a kid a never had anything like that, not even a gaming console like NES |
| 18:25.46 | kyak | actauuly i still have this old peice of shit around |
| 18:25.55 | kyak | my first computer |
| 18:26.41 | kyak | even the fujitsu 611 Mb HDD |
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| 18:27.39 | kyak | but it,s still nothing like msx or zx spectrums which i completely misse |
| 18:27.40 | kyak | d |
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| 18:34.50 | Jay7 | had russian ZX clone (Delta 48k iirc) |
| 18:41.31 | kyak | did you throw it away? :) |
| 18:52.15 | Jay7 | kyak: it is broken :( |
| 18:52.46 | Jay7 | so.. it was lost in time long ago :) |
| 18:53.42 | kyak | but you have it for what matters.. fixing it is just finding a pair of straight arms :) |
| 18:54.05 | Jay7 | yeah.. |
| 18:54.28 | Jay7 | btw, lot of people in zx.pp.ru are still making clones of ZX |
| 18:54.53 | Jay7 | s/lot of// :) |
| 18:54.54 | qi-bot | Jay7 meant: "btw, people in zx.pp.ru are still making clones of ZX" |
| 18:55.01 | kyak | i have dendy, the russian clone of nes as you defintely know.. but it,s unconnectable :) |
| 18:55.34 | Jay7 | iirc, it was connecting to antenna |
| 18:55.40 | kyak | some fucked up video out .. |
| 18:55.41 | Jay7 | or to video input? |
| 18:55.47 | Jay7 | ah.. |
| 18:56.00 | kyak | i might wanna double check |
| 18:56.08 | kyak | dont remember for sure |
| 18:56.15 | Jay7 | I've seen another dendy clone in local metro-cc.ru |
| 18:57.32 | Jay7 | it have price about $20 :) |
| 18:58.01 | kyak | yep |
| 18:58.17 | kyak | it,s pretty much available now |
| 18:58.27 | kyak | and even the cartridges |
| 18:59.30 | kyak | i have sega as well.. but it,s all postfactum |
| 18:59.38 | kyak | i missed the era :) |
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