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| 01:47.50 | qi-bot | [commit] David Kühling: Fix Aseprite and Alex4 compilation with newest version of OpenWrt (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d478f19 |
| 01:50.31 | wolfspraul | when does David sleep? |
| 01:50.51 | dvdk | :) |
| 01:50.57 | dvdk | not at the regular times :) |
| 01:52.47 | wolfspraul | xiangfu: hi good morning :-) |
| 01:53.09 | wolfspraul | your latest release has gotten some attention and people help to bring things back together - which is wonderful! |
| 01:54.44 | dvdk | will there be a 03-18-b release? given how much is still broken? |
| 01:54.50 | wolfspraul | let's continue to inrease the quality in builds and makefiles etc. to reduce our maintenance overhead going forward |
| 01:54.56 | wolfspraul | oh sure, why not |
| 01:55.21 | dvdk | btw, will just have a (short) look on the bard package |
| 01:55.28 | wolfspraul | sometimes xiangfu is a bit lonely/overwhelmed, so he just kicked this 'release' out also for people to see the distro is still alive :-) |
| 01:55.45 | wolfspraul | the long term goal is to increase quality, decrease maintenance overhead |
| 01:56.06 | wolfspraul | so that we can make future new products (hw+sw combined) without running into a fork/maintenance trap |
| 01:56.23 | wolfspraul | but as we can see now, it's easier said than done - things get upleveled, other things break, etc. |
| 01:56.42 | dvdk | I guess most people (including me) won't have looked at he problems as long as it was still labled "testing" or "prerelease" :) |
| 01:56.55 | wolfspraul | sure that's ok, we all need to be efficient with our time |
| 01:57.06 | wolfspraul | high quality software does *not* rot, right? :-) |
| 01:57.41 | kristianpaul | I was trying last release today.. got few apps :( (yes i'm aware rebase issues) |
| 01:58.16 | kristianpaul | could had also try nanonote owrt from upstream.. |
| 01:58.18 | dvdk | kristianpaul: wahat's missing |
| 01:58.20 | dvdk | ? |
| 01:59.04 | wolfspraul | kristianpaul: yes but it's correct to first remove everything that drags us down, and then bring things back depending on what someone wants, where a maintainer steps up, what is easy to un-break, etc. |
| 01:59.19 | wolfspraul | otherwise we would drag a bigger and bigger boatload of low-quality stuff with us, which would be bad |
| 02:00.01 | kristianpaul | i dont remenner actually... i had installed the night build from late 2011 |
| 02:00.12 | kristianpaul | dvdk: soem gtk based apps i think |
| 02:00.14 | wolfspraul | dvdk: I thought more about codecs, and I think we can and should really only focus on a very short whitelist, starting with Ogg*, and 100% clear free stuff only |
| 02:00.18 | wolfspraul | basically what we do already :-) |
| 02:00.19 | kristianpaul | sure remove is okay |
| 02:00.38 | kristianpaul | those were working (wrong characters) well anyway |
| 02:01.51 | wolfspraul | we have nothing to gain by thinking that if we just include this one MPEG whatever or other borderline codec, where patents might have/should have expired, we are doing something good |
| 02:02.00 | kristianpaul | xiangfu: about jz4760, just curious when Miguel mention flash support that will require xburst tool support the specific nand chip that its board uses? |
| 02:02.05 | wolfspraul | it's better to focus on the best free codecs, and support and document them well |
| 02:02.13 | kristianpaul | or this is some how done by the xburst soc it self? |
| 02:02.14 | wolfspraul | most likely videos or music for the Ben will have to be transcoded anyway |
| 02:02.33 | kristianpaul | just curious to learn a bit of xburst tool, big unknow to me so far ;-) |
| 02:05.31 | xiangfu | kristianpaul, (jz4760) I don't think so. I would guess just some configure should be ok. |
| 02:06.24 | xiangfu | kristianpaul, I found the gtk/qt moved to other package feeds. I added them back yesterday. in fact include all feeds I can found. :) |
| 02:06.52 | xiangfu | kristianpaul, so the gtk/qt will be back soon. |
| 02:09.38 | xiangfu | dvdk, I will try to fix the package from feedback. |
| 02:10.03 | dvdk | hi xiangfu. fix which packages |
| 02:10.04 | dvdk | ? |
| 02:10.13 | xiangfu | bard first |
| 02:10.28 | xiangfu | then ase |
| 02:12.29 | dvdk | xiangfu: ase already fixed http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d478f19 |
| 02:12.37 | dvdk | looking just at fixing bard |
| 02:13.29 | xiangfu | you fast :) |
| 02:19.01 | kristianpaul | xiangfu: gtk, good :) |
| 02:20.06 | kristianpaul | xiangfu: jz4760, np, just vagly asking i dont hold much interested on it, just curious about xburst a bit as i said |
| 02:20.41 | kristianpaul | actually my nanonote interest are software related, i had lear some about openwrt and linux thanks to it :) |
| 02:29.40 | qi-bot | [commit] David Kühling: bard: fix compilation (various configure script fixes), still misses dejavu font (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2c706db |
| 02:30.09 | dvdk | so where do I find the font packaga dejavu-fonts-ttf-DejaVuSans? |
| 02:30.11 | dvdk | for bard? |
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| 02:32.05 | xiangfu | dvdk, it's under another package feeds: svn://svn.openwrt.org/openwrt/feeds/xorg |
| 02:32.44 | xiangfu | dvdk, this is our new feeds.conf: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/openwrt-xburst.full_system/feeds.conf |
| 02:34.13 | xiangfu | dvdk, let's wait this build result: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120321-0142/. it should build gtk/qt and font |
| 02:34.32 | dvdk | ah, ok wasn't here http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/Ben_NanoNote_2GB_NAND/latest/feeds.conf |
| 02:44.14 | qi-bot | The build was successful: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120321-0142 |
| 02:44.59 | dvdk | ok, bard works now. packag here http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/dvdkhlng/openwrt/ |
| 02:46.20 | wolfspraul | wow |
| 02:46.22 | wolfspraul | thanks! |
| 02:51.05 | dvdk | hmm, I cannot open .epub files; only .txt files. maybe some libs still missing |
| 02:51.18 | dvdk | but the speech synthesis is talking at least :) |
| 02:52.08 | kristianpaul | bte screen is getting white after a while.. let confirm again not been my broke bus.. |
| 02:52.14 | wolfspraul | oh nice, wait |
| 02:52.19 | wolfspraul | you can make the ben read a text aloud to you? |
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| 02:52.30 | wolfspraul | I wanted to give this a solid try soon |
| 02:52.52 | wolfspraul | kristianpaul: check that your battery is charged |
| 02:53.07 | wolfspraul | and then check that the fpc from mainboard to lcm is seated well in the connector on the mainboard |
| 02:53.16 | wolfspraul | (hopefully there is no problem at the hot-glued connection on the lcm side) |
| 02:53.46 | kristianpaul | not my lcm bus.. damn i hate my self for breaking it |
| 02:54.57 | dvdk | hmm, which pakcage has zip.h? |
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| 03:09.31 | dvdk | night. |
| 03:12.17 | wolfspraul | n8 |
| 03:13.23 | kristianpaul | nice size |
| 03:13.34 | kristianpaul | voice a bot robotic but not that bad |
| 03:15.49 | kristianpaul | oh, yeah missing gnuplot octave as well.. |
| 03:16.25 | kristianpaul | links or was elinks.. |
| 03:16.38 | kristianpaul | ah wait |
| 03:16.44 | kristianpaul | nv |
| 03:17.42 | wolfspraul | kristianpaul: what is the easiest way / command line to have the ben read a text aloud? |
| 03:18.06 | wolfspraul | robotic, hmm. I am probably spoilt from some actors recording audio books. |
| 03:18.27 | wolfspraul | there's no way software will easily match that in quality. |
| 03:18.30 | kristianpaul | bard? |
| 03:18.38 | kristianpaul | bard --text some.text |
| 03:18.40 | kristianpaul | then pressed s |
| 03:18.44 | wolfspraul | cool |
| 03:54.31 | kristianpaul | n8 |
| 03:56.36 | wolfspraul | n8 |
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| 08:55.47 | qi-bot | [commit] Xiangfu: add new folder for m1 Kicad (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/m1/5a5e335 |
| 09:03.41 | wolfspraul | xiangfu: I think we want to keep the m1 kicad schematics/bom in github |
| 09:03.49 | wolfspraul | wait for werner & adam to pick the final location |
| 09:03.51 | xiangfu | wolfspraul, yes. |
| 09:03.53 | xiangfu | ok |
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| 11:02.48 | kristianpaul | Order is being prepared for shipment. !, finally.. |
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| 14:42.47 | wpwrak | kristianpaul: digi-key ? |
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| 15:10.19 | kristianpaul | wpwrak: nope, yet |
| 15:10.36 | kristianpaul | dx.com i ordered a rtl-sdr compatible DVB-T dongle |
| 15:11.19 | kristianpaul | but i will ! (digikey) just noticed i have two different SMD type of mechanical of capactitors.. |
| 15:12.29 | kristianpaul | need confirm list before order.. |
| 15:12.34 | kristianpaul | shopping list* |
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| 16:16.03 | whitequark | whoever asked about osPID here... |
| 16:16.06 | whitequark | it has arrived! |
| 16:16.09 | whitequark | I'm assembling it now |
| 16:21.59 | kristianpaul | whitequark:acrylic is 3mm ? |
| 16:22.03 | kristianpaul | or 2mm? |
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| 16:29.34 | whitequark | kristianpaul: wait a sec |
| 16:30.02 | whitequark | kristianpaul: 3mm |
| 16:31.10 | kristianpaul | good |
| 16:39.51 | whitequark | they have a very... unusual way of mounting PCBs |
| 16:40.02 | whitequark | this is seriously clever, I could never manage to think of something like that |
| 16:40.42 | whitequark | they milled several narrow grooves in the acrylic, and added some screws (again, quite perversely mounted within acrylic itself, but I'm unable to explain _this_) |
| 16:40.54 | whitequark | which hold the acrylic tightly |
| 16:41.00 | whitequark | and hence, the PCBs are also held in place |
| 16:41.06 | whitequark | very, very clever |
| 16:43.11 | whitequark | these grooves are also quite coarse, which adds some friction |
| 16:43.38 | whitequark | and the PCBs are like .1mm longer than the case itself, so they are forced to stay in those |
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| 17:49.34 | whitequark | sigh. |
| 17:49.48 | whitequark | both firmware and app are... well, they're arduino. |
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| 18:19.18 | kristianpaul | mplayer: can't load library 'libfaad.so.2' |
| 18:19.20 | kristianpaul | :( |
| 18:21.25 | kristianpaul | do we really need syslogd on the naonote? |
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| 18:46.48 | wpwrak | kristianpaul: yes, because there's no port to connect a line printer to (who would print the log entries directly to paper, for the operators to review) |
| 18:48.26 | kristianpaul | nah |
| 18:49.02 | roh | kristianpaul: there are different kinds of syslogd |
| 18:49.09 | kristianpaul | also nowdays logs are not reviwed by operators ;) |
| 18:49.35 | roh | i think what openwrt uses in default is fine. i think it logs into a fifo or so... one can read it via logread |
| 18:50.13 | roh | which is part of busybox |
| 18:50.24 | roh | same as syslogd there |
| 18:52.07 | kristianpaul | ah good |
| 18:57.32 | wpwrak | fifo sounds reasonably non-intrusive |
| 18:58.26 | kristianpaul | indeed |
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| 20:58.11 | whitequark | roh: memory buffer, not a fifo |
| 20:58.16 | whitequark | it's like dmesg |
| 20:58.33 | whitequark | it's fixed size, small and does not incur nand writes |
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