| 08:04.26 | *** join/#qi-hardware infobot (~infobot@rikers.org) |
| 08:04.27 | *** topic/#qi-hardware is Copyleft hardware - http://qi-hardware.com | hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote, atben / atusb 802.15.4 wireless, and other community driven hw projects | public logging at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs |
| 08:04.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 08:04.38 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer |
| 08:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~nfc |
| 08:04.41 | infobot | nfc is, like, No Fucking Clue, or near field communications |
| 08:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | kick if you feel like |
| 08:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | she won't stay anyway, I haven't added #qi-hw to infobot's autojoin list |
| 08:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | !status |
| 08:06.23 | wolfspra1l | DocScrutinizer: thanks a lot! in my opinion she should stay |
| 08:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | np, I can add to autojoin |
| 08:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | (I'm one of the admins) |
| 08:06.53 | wolfspra1l | I would think that is great |
| 08:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 08:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | tonight |
| 08:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | have to run, friggin daywork |
| 08:07.12 | valhalla | I should get my morning caffeine, because it took quite a few seconds for me to understand what was happening :) |
| 08:07.52 | *** mode/#qi-hardware [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 08:08.18 | whitequark | hehe |
| 08:08.32 | whitequark | DocScrutinizer: printrbot is very well _not_ academic, but very practical |
| 08:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | whitequark: the autoclone concept though is academic |
| 08:09.23 | whitequark | afaik the main reason it exists is that it's $500 unlike MakerBot, which is $1500 |
| 08:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | in RL nobody give a flying F about what machine has built your makerbot |
| 08:09.43 | whitequark | I'd say wrong |
| 08:09.52 | whitequark | because you can cut the price in half or something like that |
| 08:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | or what assembler was used to build your GCC |
| 08:10.13 | whitequark | also: it can extend itself (larger build volume, etc.) by printing replacement parts |
| 08:10.18 | whitequark | and this was done by design |
| 08:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: chanadd #qi-hardware |
| 08:11.15 | infobot | Joining #qi-hardware... |
| 08:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: +chanset #qi-hardware |
| 08:12.13 | infobot | chan: #qi-hardware (see _default also) |
| 08:12.13 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: +chanset #openmoko-cdevel |
| 08:13.14 | infobot | chan: #openmoko-cdevel (see _default also) |
| 08:13.14 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: +chanset #qi-hardware factoidSearch #qi-hardware _default |
| 08:14.02 | infobot | Setting factoidSearch for #qi-hardware to '#qi-hardware _default'. |
| 08:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: +chanset #qi-hardware |
| 08:14.11 | infobot | chan: #qi-hardware (see _default also) |
| 08:14.11 | infobot | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 08:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: +chanset #qi-hardware factoidSearch $chan _default |
| 08:14.37 | infobot | Setting factoidSearch for #qi-hardware to '$chan _default'; was '#qi-hardware _default'. |
| 08:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: #qi-hardware infobot is <reply>I'm your very local infobot, and this is a facoid only valid in this chan |
| 08:15.52 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 08:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: infobot |
| 08:15.58 | infobot | I'm your very local infobot, and this is a facoid only valid in this chan |
| 08:16.06 | whitequark | finally! a nanonote in my hands |
| 08:16.39 | jurting | My Nanonote should arrive today or tomorrow :) |
| 08:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: literal infobot |
| 08:16.47 | infobot | "#qi-hardware infobot" is "<reply>I'm your very local infobot, and this is a facoid only valid in this chan" |
| 08:17.03 | whitequark | it's tiny |
| 08:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: _default infobot |
| 08:17.14 | infobot | from memory, infobot is happy, or a liar |
| 08:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | wolfspra1l: what's qi-bot's hotkey? |
| 08:18.29 | valhalla | is glad that people are still buying nanonotes even in the middle of this not-so-free-hardware craze |
| 08:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | qi-bot: help |
| 08:19.00 | whitequark | well, I mostly bought it as a testbed for 6lowpan |
| 08:19.11 | whitequark | but now that I look at it, it's significantly better than I have thought |
| 08:19.23 | whitequark | probably I'll find some other use for it. not much devices with full qwerty lately |
| 08:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | qi-bot: seen wolfspra1l |
| 08:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | !seen wolfspra1l |
| 08:19.44 | qi-bot | DocScrutinizer, if you can't see wolfspra1l here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ |
| 08:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | ok, fine |
| 08:19.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen wolfspra1l |
| 08:19.59 | infobot | wolfspra1l is currently on #qi-hardware. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 13m 6s, last said: 'I would think that is great'. |
| 08:20.37 | whitequark | oh, the font is eye-pricking |
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| 08:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 08:20.51 | *** mode/#qi-hardware [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
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| 08:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | cya folks |
| 08:39.41 | valhalla | http://www.trueelena.org/clothing/projects/utility_vest.html <--- I've added a picture of the iPocket -> Ben Pocket change :) |
| 08:41.32 | whitequark | hum hum. it should work for me as offline wikireader, graphing calculator (very useful) and an audio player, through I'm not yet sure about how long it will last as the latter |
| 08:43.27 | valhalla | whitequark: I use it as an audio player and it has always lasted "long enough" (I don't use it for more than a few hours, say 4-5) |
| 08:43.54 | jurting | I will use mine for Notes, programming ideas and pseudocode, "emergency" music player, making programs/games to it and playing roguelikes |
| 08:44.10 | whitequark | oh, I need no less than 8 |
| 08:44.14 | valhalla | and it keeps charge between days of non-use quite well |
| 08:44.34 | whitequark | because even power-hungry Android phone can do that |
| 08:45.34 | whitequark | reflashing is really slow |
| 08:45.49 | whitequark | 10 minutes already and it's still on 319/808 |
| 08:51.06 | whitequark | damn. tuxbrain forgot to put the atben to the package :/ |
| 09:05.57 | whitequark | but where's a + key on the keyboard? O_o |
| 09:08.36 | xiangfu | shift + = |
| 09:08.49 | xiangfu | [=] at the left of [enter] |
| 09:16.35 | whitequark | ah, I see it, thanks |
| 09:21.34 | wolfspra1l | thank you guys for buying and more importantly using your Bens :-) |
| 09:21.46 | wolfspra1l | it may seem slow but I think we are 100% focused on doing the right things for the future |
| 09:23.51 | whitequark | sigh. ben is very user-unfriendly |
| 09:25.22 | wolfspra1l | whitequark: start! :-) |
| 09:25.35 | wolfspra1l | #1 it is user unfriendly because it doesn't have good documentation |
| 09:25.57 | wolfspra1l | there should be a way to learn how to use it, and find out about the preinstalled software on the Ben |
| 09:26.11 | wolfspra1l | but unfortunately that will be a long-term goal most likely |
| 09:26.22 | whitequark | well, what I see as a "power user" is: |
| 09:26.46 | whitequark | 1) hardware is quite nice. yes it has some quirks, but they're avoidable and not really that bad |
| 09:27.13 | whitequark | 2) but the software is... well, it looks kinda abandoned |
| 09:27.44 | whitequark | like you'd expect from a non-native-Linux PDA from late 1990s where a team of two students ported something in their free time and it mostly works |
| 09:30.17 | whitequark | wolfspra1l: your goal (from my point of view) was to make a good OSHW device, given some quite strong limits |
| 09:30.26 | whitequark | you definitely succeeded in that. it is a good device. |
| 09:35.24 | whitequark | btw, any idea why ben isn't picked up by usbnet driver? |
| 09:52.13 | jurting | Is there any decimal clock (10:100:100) program for the Nanonote? |
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| 12:13.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~+chaninfo |
| 12:13.47 | infobot | 122/122 channels, 5186 users, 3713 unique: #debian/1203, #kde/408, #maemo/313, #gsoc/274, #meego/268, #asterisk/187, #harmattan/186, #oe/147, #wowuidev/141, #webos-internals/128, #wowace/124, #openmoko/103, #wowhead/86, #openmoko-cdevel/72, #uclibc/69, #utah/65, #n9/64, #bzflag/64, #htc-linux/62, #edev/61, #curseforge/58, #qi-hardware/54, #tomcat/52, #maemo-ssu/48, #sc2mapster/44, #asterisk-dev/42, #flow3/36, #slug/34, #diablofans/33, #elinux/31, ... |
| 12:14.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, forgot to metion... |
| 12:14.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~logs |
| 12:14.48 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23qi%2dhardware/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 12:15.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | feel free to add according notice to /topic, according to general freenode guidelines |
| 12:16.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess sincew this chan is aleady logged elsewhere, itr+ irrelevant |
| 12:16.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's* |
| 12:18.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh, one problem though I'll deal with later on: |
| 12:18.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/duh,/DUH!/ |
| 12:18.19 | qi-bot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: "DUH! one problem though I'll deal with later on:" |
| 12:20.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | wolfspra1l: shall infobot ignore regex, or do you prefer to disable it in qibot? |
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| 12:21.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | I personally think qibot's implementation is inferior |
| 12:23.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/personally/for one/ |
| 12:23.27 | qi-bot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: "I for one think qibot's implementation is inferior" |
| 12:24.17 | wpwrak | let's see how the sloppy ones go |
| 12:24.24 | wpwrak | s/e/@ |
| 12:24.25 | qi-bot | wpwrak meant: "l@t's s@@ how th@ sloppy on@s go" |
| 12:24.56 | wpwrak | and now with proper formatting |
| 12:25.07 | wpwrak | s/o/u/ |
| 12:25.07 | qi-bot | wpwrak meant: "and nuw with pruper furmatting" |
| 12:25.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | you *can* do same for infobot as well |
| 12:25.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/a/@/g |
| 12:25.35 | qi-bot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: "you *c@n* do s@me for infobot @s well" |
| 12:25.48 | wpwrak | ah yes, i was about to try that. good :) |
| 12:27.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | g is the only one infobot knows of, afaik |
| 12:27.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | also infobot rejects all regex with special chars |
| 12:28.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | some special chars, and no arbitrary / delimiter replacements |
| 12:28.15 | wpwrak | there's Another one that may be useful |
| 12:28.23 | wpwrak | s/an/'n/i |
| 12:28.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | which is worst part of qibot |
| 12:28.39 | wpwrak | so you say this would work ? |
| 12:28.46 | wpwrak | s/./&/ |
| 12:29.06 | wpwrak | naw, didn't. or it's looping :) |
| 12:29.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 12:29.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | not for ibot |
| 12:29.18 | wpwrak | aaabbb |
| 12:29.21 | wpwrak | s/ab// |
| 12:29.22 | qi-bot | wpwrak meant: "aabb" |
| 12:29.28 | wpwrak | no recursion. good :) |
| 12:29.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | s.ibot.infobot |
| 12:30.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | s.ibot.infobot. |
| 12:30.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm what now |
| 12:30.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | s.what.wut. |
| 12:30.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
| 12:30.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | thought qi does that |
| 12:30.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe not dots |
| 12:31.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | s!not!no! |
| 12:31.27 | wpwrak | i think you're confusing it with sed :) |
| 12:31.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/!/#/ |
| 12:31.31 | qi-bot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: "s#not#no#" |
| 12:32.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, qibot has some sed ideas |
| 12:32.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/has/got/;s/ideas/concepts/ |
| 12:32.32 | qi-bot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: "well, qibot got some sed concepts" |
| 12:32.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | this oe I'm missing in infobot |
| 12:33.54 | qi-bot | [commit] Adam Wang: removed embedded newlines in *.csv (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/cd6b64d |
| 12:34.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, one of both has to shutup |
| 12:34.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | for auto regex |
| 12:35.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically the implicit /g of qibot is BS |
| 12:36.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | as you usually don't expect that |
| 12:36.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | then otoh it's easy to work around |
| 12:37.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | tell me what you decided on that |
| 12:37.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | so I may find the proper chanset flag for infobot to turn it off, if it's infobot to shutup |
| 12:39.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | dang, these 50min lunch break were short :-(( |
| 12:40.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~chanset _default |
| 12:40.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~+chanset _default |
| 12:40.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | ummm |
| 12:41.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~+chanset #qi-hardware |
| 12:41.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 12:41.37 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer51 |
| 12:41.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | grrrrr |
| 12:42.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | whatever, bbl |
| 12:42.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah, DocScrutinizer51 isn't admin of bot |
| 12:44.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
| 12:51.15 | wpwrak | thinks DocScrutinizer needs a pet stone :) |
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| 12:59.58 | wolfspra1l | DocScrutinizer51: hmm I don't know, haven't thought enough about how and when those regexes are used |
| 13:00.05 | wolfspra1l | I never use them for now |
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| 14:16.13 | kristianpaul | infobot: what is qi? |
| 14:16.14 | infobot | kristianpaul: what are you talking about? |
| 14:16.35 | kristianpaul | infobot: about qi ;) |
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| 14:16.37 | kristianpaul | infobot: qi-hw is copyleft hardware |
| 14:16.37 | infobot | kristianpaul: okay |
| 14:16.43 | kristianpaul | infobot: what is qi-hw? |
| 14:16.43 | infobot | from memory, qi-hw is copyleft hardware |
| 14:16.46 | kristianpaul | :D |
| 14:16.58 | kristianpaul | loves infobots |
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| 15:31.30 | jurting | Just received my Nanonote :D |
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| 15:34.29 | kristianpaul | jurting: great! :-) |
| 15:45.21 | roh | l /var/www/tmp/ |
| 15:45.23 | roh | argh |
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| 16:12.20 | kristianpaul | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17370150 |
| 16:13.08 | kristianpaul | "Darpa says that contractors will probably have to make use of rapid manufacturing techniques more commonly associated with the smartphone industry to meet its price target." |
| 16:13.18 | kristianpaul | sounds interesting for us at some point i guess :-9 |
| 16:13.23 | kristianpaul | s/9/) |
| 16:13.24 | qi-bot | kristianpaul meant: "sounds interesting for us at some point i guess :-)" |
| 16:20.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | DARPA? meh |
| 16:21.19 | larsc | and now my missile guidance question suddenly makes sense ;) |
| 16:21.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | have they brought us anyrthing good except darpanet? |
| 16:22.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | not the first time I refuse to develop missile guidance systems |
| 16:23.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's reulting from a (unint32)float ? |
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| 16:23.49 | kristianpaul | was supose to start a talk about satellites not missiles.. |
| 16:23.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | is this a conversion or a hard cast? |
| 16:24.29 | wpwrak | threre |
| 16:24.36 | larsc | conversion |
| 16:24.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | hard cast should result in rather bogus crap |
| 16:24.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok |
| 16:24.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks |
| 16:24.59 | larsc | hard cast would be something like *((uint32_t *)&float) |
| 16:25.01 | wpwrak | there are no "hard casts" in C. at least not directly |
| 16:25.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
| 16:25.14 | wpwrak | yup, via pointer |
| 16:25.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | crap lang |
| 16:25.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | union |
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| 16:26.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | no need for pointers |
| 16:28.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, I guess my crap-comment was just for the unfamiliar syntax for what's a function to me |
| 16:29.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | uint32 i = float2uint(float); |
| 16:30.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm pascal spoiled |
| 16:34.06 | larsc | in a negative or a positive sense? |
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| 16:46.39 | wpwrak | is there a positive way about pascal ? |
| 16:48.16 | wpwrak | a long time ago, i wrote a lot of code in pascal. then i met C and learned to program :) |
| 16:53.15 | viric | hehe |
| 16:53.23 | kristianpaul | :-) |
| 16:53.37 | viric | I remember very well my days on BASIC, where I thought: all operations look very useful, but I can't see what GOSUB can be used for |
| 17:02.50 | wpwrak | well, GOSUB is quite optional ... |
| 17:03.04 | viric | :) |
| 17:03.56 | viric | But at that time I could not grasp subroutines |
| 17:04.07 | viric | I was young :) |
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| 17:09.39 | lindi- | http://iki.fi/lindi/HP71AS -- good luck trying to figure out what it does :) |
| 17:10.47 | larsc | makes people go crazy when they read it? ;) |
| 17:12.50 | lindi- | wrote it on my HP-71 calculator that was quite short on memory |
| 17:14.38 | lindi- | (its an assembler for the saturn cpu) |