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| 03:42.57 | crimson{home} | hey file, gonkulator, scanline --been a while, what's up guys |
| 03:43.10 | scanline | heyas crimson{home} |
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| 06:33.06 | collord | grrr |
| 06:33.24 | scanline | hi |
| 06:33.26 | collord | make menuconfig tries to create a /.libs dir |
| 06:33.28 | collord | hello |
| 06:35.59 | zak | what's up doc? |
| 06:36.00 | scanline | hi zak |
| 06:36.26 | scanline | flashing a precompiled OpenZaurus ROM on my C700 while another one compiles |
| 06:36.47 | zak | hmm...fun? |
| 06:36.52 | scanline | holy zombie jesus, this screen is beautiful in console mode |
| 06:37.08 | collord | mmm openzaurus |
| 06:37.23 | zak | (do i know collord?) |
| 06:37.44 | scanline | zak: I doubt it, this isn't #tacobeam :P |
| 06:37.57 | zak | well sometimes i know people |
| 06:38.08 | zak | oh wait, are you sure this isn't #tacobeam |
| 06:38.11 | zak | *checks |
| 06:38.15 | zak | *rolls her eyes |
| 06:38.53 | gonkulator | scanline: way to take action |
| 06:39.05 | scanline | :) |
| 06:39.32 | scanline | the Qt stuff just doesn't show off the beauty of the LCD like console mode doe |
| 06:39.35 | scanline | er, does |
| 06:39.58 | zak | (ya know they really don't reccomend combining drool and and electronics |
| 06:40.09 | gonkulator | ) |
| 06:40.25 | scanline | I bet it can take a little drool |
| 06:40.43 | gonkulator | scanline: you did take the electrolytes out of your saliva, right? |
| 06:40.55 | zak | don't you dare correct that |
| 06:41.00 | gonkulator | cause if you do that, electronics can take all sorts of drool |
| 06:41.03 | scanline | { |
| 06:41.13 | gonkulator | } |
| 06:41.19 | scanline | hmm |
| 06:41.53 | gonkulator | int main(void) {while(1) fork();} |
| 06:41.56 | zak | }:( |
| 06:42.53 | scanline | sure takes this thing a while to reconfigure packages... |
| 06:44.26 | scanline | collord: sufficiently frustrated with automake? |
| 06:45.00 | Thinger | haha |
| 06:46.35 | scanline | hehe... the default terminal settings on this thing give a 124x52 console |
| 06:47.36 | scanline | kinda slow... |
| 06:49.23 | gonkulator | Thinger: are you running dual head off of one card? |
| 06:49.39 | Thinger | nope |
| 06:49.44 | Thinger | single monitor TNT2 |
| 06:50.16 | gonkulator | and if I try to quit X, it crashes everything |
| 06:50.42 | gonkulator | so I get to start X, and once that is done, I can't even shut down the machine properly |
| 06:50.50 | gonkulator | cause part of shutting down is killing X |
| 06:50.55 | gonkulator | but killing X crashes the machine |
| 06:51.23 | Thinger | Is two monitors worth the trouble? |
| 06:51.36 | gonkulator | its not not worth the trouble :) |
| 06:51.54 | Thinger | haha |
| 06:52.15 | Thinger | Rich buggar :P |
| 06:52.21 | gonkulator | not quite |
| 06:52.30 | gonkulator | two of them are crappy as hell 15" POSes |
| 06:52.43 | gonkulator | and I have a really nice 19" that I picked up cheap at a used computer store |
| 06:53.15 | Thinger | I've got a crummmy 15" |
| 06:53.21 | Thinger | And an old Celeron |
| 06:53.33 | gonkulator | ah |
| 06:54.11 | Thinger | How do you switch between them and so on? |
| 06:54.26 | gonkulator | I just move the mouse, and the keyboard focus follows the mouse |
| 06:54.28 | Thinger | And your desk must be crowded ^^ |
| 06:54.52 | zak | he's got 3 desks |
| 06:54.59 | Thinger | wacky |
| 06:55.02 | zak | picnic table size |
| 06:55.06 | zak | arranged in a u |
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| 06:55.17 | gonkulator | ok, that sucked |
| 06:55.26 | gonkulator | anyway |
| 06:55.27 | zak | gonkulator: you have three picnic sized tables arranged in a u don't you? |
| 06:55.45 | gonkulator | have you seen my basement? |
| 06:55.55 | zak | a digi pic |
| 06:56.02 | gonkulator | oh |
| 06:56.03 | gonkulator | thats old |
| 06:56.17 | zak | oh dear! it's almost one! |
| 06:56.37 | zak | i am an hour late for turning back into a pumpkin! |
| 06:57.06 | Thinger | its 5pm, here, and I've wasted an entire day |
| 06:57.14 | gonkulator | Thinger: mostly, it is nice to have all the screen space |
| 06:57.34 | gonkulator | Thinger: and by doing 3 monitors instead of just two, it makes it so that I have more pixels than scanline :) |
| 06:57.50 | zak | Thinger: what continent? |
| 06:57.58 | captain_proton | har |
| 06:58.00 | Thinger | .au |
| 06:58.04 | captain_proton | nobody has more pixels than me at work |
| 06:58.06 | zak | ah, cool |
| 06:58.08 | zak | where in? |
| 06:58.15 | Thinger | Coffs Harbour |
| 06:58.15 | gonkulator | captain_proton: I have more pixels at work than you have at work |
| 06:58.22 | captain_proton | gonkulator: i doubt that |
| 06:58.39 | gonkulator | ibot: 3*1600*1200 |
| 06:58.39 | | 5760000 |
| 06:58.52 | captain_proton | ibot: 16*800*600 |
| 06:58.52 | | 7680000 |
| 06:58.57 | gonkulator | ibot: 3*1600*1200 + 2*1920*1200 |
| 06:58.58 | | 10368000 |
| 06:59.11 | gonkulator | yay for apple cinema displays |
| 06:59.18 | scanline | whee |
| 06:59.30 | captain_proton | ibot: 16*800*600 + 7*1024*768 + 2*1280*1024 |
| 06:59.31 | | 15806464 |
| 06:59.50 | scanline | ...on Opie's crappy terminal |
| 07:00.23 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 07:00.28 | scanline | now that picogui has a good terminal emulator, I might have a reason to use it besides just for the heck of it |
| 07:01.07 | zak | Thinger: i have a friend studying abroad at a place called glenelg (is that spelled right?) |
| 07:01.08 | Thinger | is that terminal emulator going to still be usable in Picogui 2? |
| 07:01.24 | scanline | well, the actual VT102 emulation code should be |
| 07:01.49 | scanline | in fact, I plan to move the emulator itself into a library, since it shouldn't be hard to make reusable, and terminal emulators are a pain to write :) |
| 07:02.10 | scanline | me too.. but at the rate things are happening now it will take a very long time |
| 07:02.20 | scanline | I'm the only one working on it, and I've been working very little on picogui lately |
| 07:02.44 | Thinger | If I knew what I was doing, I'd try and help :) |
| 07:02.52 | scanline | lots of people say that :) |
| 07:03.13 | scanline | I think everyone that knows what they're doing is working on something people actually, use like gtk or qt |
| 07:03.14 | Thinger | tehehhe |
| 07:03.23 | scanline | and if they're interested in something new, they're working on fresco |
| 07:03.37 | Thinger | I've got no patience for something like fresco |
| 07:03.53 | scanline | wait, you have patience for picogui2 but not fresco? :) |
| 07:04.13 | Thinger | scanline: If you can convince me to do so, I could spend a semester doing picogui stuff as my software project :) |
| 07:05.06 | Thinger | anyway, fresco is based on Corba |
| 07:05.07 | scanline | I'm not going to try to force people to see my way... if you want to help, help |
| 07:05.13 | Thinger | fair enough |
| 07:05.28 | scanline | best way to help right now is to start openly discussing architecture on pgui-devel, get people interested |
| 07:05.29 | Thinger | With pg2, have you a tiny codebase for it? |
| 07:05.32 | captain_proton | scanline: you're going about this recruitment thing all wrong ;) |
| 07:05.42 | scanline | there's a little code, but nothing we're going to keep |
| 07:05.45 | Thinger | ok |
| 07:06.09 | Thinger | Would it be ridiculous to code a prototype for pg2 in Python, using something like pygame, just for proof of concept? |
| 07:06.21 | Thinger | As a Project (for my University Course) |
| 07:06.21 | scanline | not at all |
| 07:06.42 | Thinger | excellent. I was going to write a framework for async programming in Scheme, but I'm on a Python high atm |
| 07:06.43 | scanline | in fact, if we get the Om protocol defined concretely, we could write the whole thing in python then gradually replace parts of it with C |
| 07:06.57 | Thinger | nice- thats my preferred way to do things |
| 07:07.29 | captain_proton | python is a quick way into scanline's pants *ahem* |
| 07:07.39 | scanline | heh |
| 07:09.25 | Thinger | hey, my normal way is to send mails directly to a list and read the archives every day |
| 07:09.32 | Thinger | Can I send to pgui-devel without being subscribed? |
| 07:09.39 | scanline | sort of... |
| 07:09.45 | scanline | you can, but I have to manually approve each message |
| 07:09.54 | Thinger | Oh.. too much effort, I'll just subscribe |
| 07:10.04 | scanline | if it wasn't that way, the list would get spammed with ads for swedish web development firms a dozen a day :P |
| 07:10.19 | Thinger | haha excellent |
| 07:10.32 | Thinger | A no-spam mailing list, my favourite |
| 07:10.47 | scanline | mailing lists should never have spam |
| 07:10.58 | scanline | which should be the case if you only let subscribers post |
| 07:12.11 | Thinger | ok I'm on |
| 07:12.17 | scanline | yay |
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| 07:16.18 | Thinger | Reading the archives, I can't find much on plans for pg2 |
| 07:16.35 | scanline | there isn't much... the few messages there were are linked to on the wiki |
| 07:16.36 | collord | heh, what kind of connection is navi.picogui.org on? |
| 07:16.42 | scanline | comcast cable modem |
| 07:17.17 | collord | i see |
| 07:18.14 | Thinger | "Separate the socket code into the OS abstraction layer" <- Not assume sockets? |
| 07:18.38 | scanline | those are separate steps |
| 07:18.41 | scanline | but that's not talking about pg2 |
| 07:22.52 | Thinger | http://old.picogui.org/doc/neopicogui.png <- is relevant? |
| 07:23.05 | scanline | yes |
| 07:23.25 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/svn/picogui/trunk/pg2/doc/ <-- also a copy of that here :) |
| 07:28.21 | collord | ooops, segfault |
| 07:28.46 | collord | scanline: could i pester you for the command line you give your pgserver vnc server? |
| 07:30.11 | scanline | I use a config file for that |
| 07:33.28 | collord | would you have a sample? it doesn't seem a .mk one is in my pgserver/etc |
| 07:34.05 | scanline | I have a few... but it's best if you just read README.configfile |
| 07:49.17 | collord | segfaulting trying to run as a vnc server |
| 07:49.28 | scanline | more information? |
| 07:49.33 | scanline | a backtrace would be nice |
| 07:51.22 | collord | http://dt.collord.net/~collord/pguibacktrace.txt |
| 07:51.55 | scanline | that's not a backtrace |
| 07:51.59 | collord | strace |
| 07:52.00 | collord | sorry |
| 07:52.03 | scanline | run it under gdb and use the 'bt' command |
| 07:52.09 | collord | ah |
| 07:54.14 | collord | sorry, reload that |
| 07:55.15 | scanline | hmm, that's weird |
| 07:55.23 | scanline | try 'print vncserver_screeninfo' |
| 07:56.58 | collord | $1 = 0x0 |
| 07:58.17 | scanline | oh... |
| 07:58.29 | scanline | looks like you're using the vncinput driver, but not the vnc video driver |
| 07:59.13 | collord | input = vncinput |
| 07:59.17 | collord | video = vncserver |
| 07:59.48 | collord | pgserver -l shows both enabled |
| 08:00.06 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:04.03 | scanline | well, I should get a couple hours of rest |
| 08:04.09 | scanline | be back later today probably |
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