irclog2html for #picogui on 20021202

00:00.19fileok
00:02.20merlin262so, I do all this work so my PC can dualboot into Windows
00:02.28merlin262and now, I've forgotten WHY i wanted it to dualboot into windows
00:02.44darth_ballslol
00:02.46filemerlin262: lol
00:03.29njsmerlin262: solitaire
00:13.49*** join/#picogui sad0ur (~sad0ur@erebor.lep.brno.cas.cz)
00:15.19merlin262now starts the slow process of archiving all my mp3s, and files....
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00:46.15darth_ballsarg
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00:50.34merlin262hey darth_
00:50.36merlin262hey darth_balls
00:54.17darth_ballshi merlin262
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00:57.09darth_ballsbrb
01:02.38darth_iBookwhy won't this work?
01:03.15darth_iBookdoes anyone know how to get fluxbox to work on redhat 7.3?
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01:05.46merlin262time to yank a hard drive
01:05.49merlin262bbiab
01:05.52merlin262(hopefully)
01:20.54darth_iBookwell fuck
01:20.59darth_iBookPicoBot: seen scanline?
01:20.59PicoBotscanline was last seen on #picogui 2 hours, 23 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: chvt? [Sun Dec  1 16:02:24 2002]
01:25.25filegreat
01:26.14Xentacfile: know how to play chess yet?
01:26.18fileno
01:26.34fileso ha
01:26.42XentacKidder: you there?
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02:02.17fileI feel dead
02:02.44merlin262{igen}w00t
02:02.45merlin262{igen}life!
02:07.41NonToxicHey!!
02:07.46merlin262{igen}hi NonToxic
02:08.01fileso cold...
02:08.08fileI need a drink, then I'm going to sleep
02:08.12fileI hope I feel better tomorrow morning
02:08.22NonToxicAww, not feeling well file?
02:08.28fileNOOOOOOOOO!
02:08.41fileI ache all over, and the pounding in my head is back
02:08.48NonToxicNot good.
02:08.50NonToxicNot good at all.
02:09.01NonToxicStaring at a screen is a BAD thing for a headache.
02:09.10filethat's why I'm going to sleep
02:09.34fileafter I have a drink
02:13.18merlin262{igen}so I'm stuck on an ancient AMD K6-2
02:13.19merlin262{igen}blehhhh
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02:28.37kergothXentac: i hate that.
02:28.47Xentacluckily I have till dec 06 on my telus bill...
02:28.52Xentacbut my visa bill I forgot
02:29.19XentacI believe you have to pay by dec 1st on that one... I don't know what /time/ on dec 1st though...
02:29.38kergothI'm behind on a number of my bills atm, unfortunately
02:31.10Xentacnov 29th?!? damn...
02:36.18captain_protonPicoBot: seen scanline?
02:36.19PicoBotscanline was last seen on #picogui 3 hours, 38 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: chvt? [Sun Dec  1 16:02:24 2002]
02:38.19scanlinecaptain_proton: hey
02:38.28captain_protonscanline: when you tromping back over here?
02:38.32scanlineI'm still in Parker, but should be leaving for boulder around 7:00
02:38.41scanlineerr, 8:00
02:38.49captain_protonah ok :)
02:39.09captain_protonhmm, 10:20 showing of solaris
02:39.24scanlinehmm indeed
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02:46.29scanlinetime to throw everything in the car, bbl
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02:48.27captain_protonahnkana: perhaps interested in solaris later?
02:48.58ahnkanacaptain_proton: what is that?
02:49.07captain_protonahnkana: a movie
02:49.22ahnkanahmm....a good movie or a weird movie?
02:49.36captain_protonsupposedly pretty good, the book was excellent
02:51.11ahnkanawhat about?
02:51.52captain_protonstrange things happening at a space station above a planet
02:52.08ahnkanamaybe
02:52.15ahnkanadepends on how far i get on my hw
02:59.36merlin262bleep
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03:15.36darth_iBookwhy does athena hate me so
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03:16.15captain_protonathena? as in xaw?
03:16.26darth_iBookcaptain_proton: pardon?
03:16.37captain_protonx athena widgets
03:16.45captain_protonaka ugliest toolkit ever
03:16.49darth_iBookno no
03:16.53darth_iBookathenaIRC
03:16.56darth_iBookfor OSX
03:16.57captain_protonohh
03:17.00captain_protoni dunno then
03:17.03captain_protonsee yas
03:17.53revsomeone should do an Xaw theme for OS X
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03:36.51merlin262hi sad0ur
03:37.23sad0urhi
03:38.14sad0urmust not sleep, couse i had to be at faculty in about 4 hours :/
03:39.18sad0urlittle bad thing is, that i didn't sleep too much during weekend :)
03:40.56revis there any work to create a gecko-based browser for picogui?
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03:41.36darth_iBookhi ahnkana
03:42.58sad0uri've noticed zsnes emulator at some sshot of picogui. does anyone have a tip for a nice ROM?
03:43.47revreally?
03:45.39sad0uri've played chrono trigger. the gameplay is really nice. whole style reminds me dos game dreamweb (cool game). but chronotrigger is too simple & too er, infantile (not sure, if that's correct english:) ... :(
03:46.22sad0urrev> that "really ?" was about zsnes running in picogui ?
03:46.38revyes
03:47.32sad0uri'm not completely sure, if that was zsnes(i guess so), just a moment...
03:50.35sad0uryep, it was zsnes. via SDL
03:50.59sad0urhttp://www.picogui.org/sshotdetail.php?index=83
03:51.14revoh
03:51.19revi thought you meant picogui *in* snes
03:51.23revlike picogui ported to the snes
03:52.56sad0urno :)
03:53.24sad0urbut there is screenshot of pg running on playstation
03:54.09sad0urno, crap, it was dreamcast...
03:54.11sad0ursorry :(
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03:57.55rev:)
03:58.06Xentacsad0ur: yeah... that's in the dreamcast linux port
03:59.27Xentacsomewhat...
03:59.34Xentaceven though he still has his queen..
03:59.44Xentacand I lost mine in a stupid move...
04:00.38*** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@user-33qtv7t.dialup.mindspring.com)
04:00.50gonkulatorPicoBot: seen sc
04:00.51PicoBotI haven't seen 'sc', gonkulator
04:00.55gonkulatorPicoBot: seen scanline
04:00.56PicoBotscanline was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 14 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: time to throw everything in the car, bbl [Sun Dec  1 19:51:06 2002]
04:01.11XentacI'd say I'm screwed...
04:01.18gonkulatorXentac: whats up?
04:03.33Xentacouch... checkmated...
04:06.38merlin262df -h
04:06.47merlin262arghhhh, that's it!
04:08.56Xentacyou remind me of that simpsons episode where Homer gets a gun...
04:09.48merlin262:(
04:10.05Xentacwell come on... you didn't think that shooting me would make me want to stay, did you?
04:10.08Xentac;P
04:11.01Xentacta ta
04:11.16gonkulatorlater Xentac
04:12.08merlin262if Xentac leaves, who will i shoot?
04:13.00dakoda:)
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04:16.02gonkulatorhey fractaldan
04:16.19gonkulatorPicoBot: seen darth_iBook
04:16.20PicoBotdarth_iBook was last seen on #picogui 34 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: hi ahnkana [Sun Dec  1 20:46:14 2002]
04:16.24fractaldanhi
04:16.28gonkulatorfractaldan: whats up?
04:16.41fractaldannot much, I'm just watching adult swim
04:17.52sad0urgonkulator: what's the time at your place ?
04:17.59gonkulator9:22 PM
04:18.20sad0ur05:29 here :)
04:18.27sad0ur(AM)
04:18.47darth_iBookhey fractaldan
04:19.34gonkulatorfractaldan: LAN party
04:19.38sad0uri have to be at university at 9:00, so... no sleep :)
04:19.55sad0uror in university ?
04:19.58gonkulatorfractaldan: Jai's house
04:20.03gonkulatorfractaldan: December 31
04:20.08fractaldanthe LAN party was fun... until the hub left
04:20.15fractaldancoolness
04:21.42gonkulatorsorry about that
04:21.47gonkulatorbrian wanted to get home
04:21.55gonkulatorand I need that hub for my home network
04:22.52fractaldanthats fine, I just have to complain about it :P
04:23.12gonkulatoroh, programming contest will be started next tuesday
04:23.28gonkulatorthe problem is a bit more complex than I anticipated (I am writting it right now) so it will be a 2 weeker
04:25.01fractaldansounds interesting, looks like it will be a nice challange :)
04:25.51fractaldando you know who is participating?
04:26.06gonkulatorlots of people I hope
04:26.31sad0urbye
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04:26.53fractaldanis darth_iBook darth_balls?
04:27.01darth_iBookyes
04:27.06darth_iBookonly on an iBook
04:27.10gonkulatordarth_iBook: fix it :)
04:27.13darth_iBookcuz my tower is being used for CS
04:34.44dakodaok, if i start omnibar, and then connectfour, c4 doesnt show up until omni is closed.  is this suposed to happen?
04:35.00gonkulatordakoda: I dunno
04:35.35dakoda(but starting c4 and then omni has both open at once.)  i dunno either :)
04:35.57gonkulatorI wrote c4, and I didn't put that bug in on purpose :)
04:36.35dakodawell, is it c4, omnibar, or pgserver?  i think replacing c4 with scribble does the same thing
04:36.51captain_protondum dadum
04:36.56dakodaor, maybe it's desired behaviour, and i havnt read enough docs yet :)
04:36.57gonkulatorhey captain_proton
04:37.12captain_protonhow goes gonkulator?
04:37.17gonkulatorcaptain_proton: pretty good
04:37.38gonkulatorcaptain_proton: you
04:37.43captain_protondoing ok
04:38.31gonkulatordakoda: if I had to guess, I would say it is an omni bug
04:38.49captain_protonall the stuff past last tuesday is scanline's work, i've been separated from a development environment
04:39.13dakodagonkulator:  ok :)  i'll try other stuff and see what happens.  thanks :)
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04:41.49darth_iBooktime to boot back to linux
04:42.12revLINUX PARTAY
04:42.19revman linux blew hard on my ibook
04:42.23revbut now that i have this k6-2 again
04:42.31revi'm glad to see linux isn't so sucky on pc hw
04:45.52captain_protonerf, where is scanline?
04:46.17gonkulatorhe is on his way back up to boulder
04:49.58darth_iBookyay linux is back
04:50.11darth_iBookdammit!Q
04:50.21darth_iBookit still booting into fvwm or whatever it is
04:50.52revFUN
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04:55.52captain_protonscanline: welcome back to reality!
04:56.09gonkulatorhey scanline
04:56.31scanlinehehe
04:56.32darth_iBookhi scanline
04:56.32scanlinethanks
04:56.39darth_iBookgonkulator: any idea how to help me?
04:56.42darth_iBooki'm really stuck
04:56.57revyo scanny
04:57.39scanlinehi rev
04:57.49gonkulatordarth_iBook: rm -Rf ./.X*
04:57.56scanlinedarth_iBook: still trying to set up fluxbox?
04:58.05darth_iBookya
04:58.18darth_iBookgonkulator: in my home directory?
04:58.24gonkulatordarth_iBook: yes
04:58.29gonkulatordarth_iBook: or, move them elsewhere
04:58.30scanlineI don't remember exactly how redhat does it, but there's usually a file named ~/.Xsession or ~/.xsession or ~/.xclients that you can put a shell script to be run when X starts
04:58.33scanlinegonkulator: that won't help
04:58.45gonkulatorscanline: it won't?
04:58.54darth_iBookscanline: I'm stuck in fvwm right now
04:59.00scanlinegonkulator: it will fall back on system-wide defaults if there's no X config in your home directory
04:59.01darth_iBookgonkulator is trying to help me get out of that
04:59.03gonkulatordarth_iBook: that sucks
04:59.04dakodadarth: doe it run X automagically, or do you use startx?
04:59.04scanlinehmm
04:59.14darth_iBookdakoda: I use startx
04:59.24dakodaif startx, you can just force the wm in there (towards the end)
04:59.38darth_iBookdakoda: how?
04:59.40dakodathat's what i do, rather than try to figure out how to do it 'right' :)
05:00.13dakodapico `which startx`, comment out the wm nonsense at the end, and add icewm or whatever you happen to have
05:01.06darth_iBookcomment what out?
05:01.31dakodatheres a pretty big chunk of stuff, probably depends on what distro you use
05:01.39dakoda(suse has a big chunk at the end at least)
05:01.52darth_iBookis it all those if...elif stuff?
05:02.03dakodaits a chunk like that (not all of those are for the wm though)
05:02.55*** part/#picogui ahnkana_ (~trillian@aden2-135-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)
05:02.58dakodathere's some environment var stuff, maybe look for a capitalized 'WM'  or something?  any comments in the file?  or look for fvwm/fwm/twm or whatever it's using
05:03.43darth_iBookI'm not seeing anything that looks WM related to me
05:04.19dakodawhat's the last if/elif/fi chunk look like?
05:04.24darth_iBookthe comments aren't very helpful
05:04.37darth_iBookit's a deallocvt somthin
05:05.00dakodahmm..
05:05.22darth_iBookarg, I shoulda known better than to mess around w/ this
05:05.32dakodasorry =(
05:05.35dakodacan you toss it up somewhere to look at?
05:05.39darth_iBooknot your fault
05:05.41darth_iBookthanks anyway
05:07.15dakodaor maybe link the wm its running to the wm you want it to run.  *shrugs*
05:07.22scanlineeek
05:07.34dakodathat's really ugly though :)
05:12.49gonkulatordarth_iBook: as well you should :)
05:13.03gonkulatorwhen you get home, I'll be there while you do a gentoo install
05:13.17captain_protonscanline: lazy man
05:15.17darth_iBookw00t!
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05:16.17dakodawhat did you have to do?
05:16.25darth_ballshehe, it was really simple
05:16.31dakodafigures :)
05:16.46darth_ballsI created a .xintrc file in my home directory and put in two lines of code
05:16.59darth_ballsexec /usr/local/bin/fluxbox
05:17.03darth_ballsedit:
05:17.06darth_ballsand it worked
05:17.36dakodanice :)
05:18.33darth_ballsnow I gotta figure out how to change the desktop
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05:20.44darth_ballsoops, shouldn't have closed that window
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05:28.53darth_ballshmm
05:28.59darth_ballsfluxbox couldn't use my speakers
05:29.02revhrm
05:29.14gonkulatordo you have permissions to /dev/dsp?
05:29.28darth_ballswha?
05:29.43gonkulatorcat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
05:29.52gonkulatorthat should make a terrible hissing noise
05:29.55darth_ballswhile in flux box?
05:30.17gonkulatoras the user that fluxbox is running as
05:30.32darth_ballswell, when I use KDE the speakers work
05:30.34darth_ballsone sec
05:31.11gonkulatorKDE might have pieces running as root
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05:31.25gonkulatorKDE might have pieces running as root
05:31.37dakodahmm, maybe dont cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp...  that could hurt :)
05:31.52darth_ballswhen I run it it says: "arts_init error: can't connect to aRts soundserver"
05:31.56darth_ballswhen I click play in xmms
05:32.15darth_ballshmm
05:32.18darth_ballsok, speakers work
05:32.24darth_ballscuz gaim's sound works
05:32.28darth_ballsbut xmms won't play
05:32.38dakodamaybe because gaim already owns the speakers?
05:32.52darth_ballshow can I change that?
05:32.57dakodaor, maybe mess with xmms's output plugin
05:33.14dakodaclose gaim, start xmms playing, restart gaim.  of course, arts is supposed to make this unnecessary...
05:33.43darth_ballsnope, it still isn't working
05:34.09gonkulatordarth_balls: do a killall -9 aRts :)
05:34.34darth_ballsgonkulator: for real?
05:34.46gonkulatordarth_balls: it couldn't hurt
05:35.01darth_ballsno process killed
05:35.26gonkulatorfluxbox might be trying to get direct access to /dev/dsp
05:35.27dakodamaybe arts isnt started
05:35.51gonkulatordakoda: maybe
05:36.08darth_ballswhat do we do to start arts?
05:36.34darth_ballsoh well
05:36.38darth_ballsmaybe I should just stick w/ kde
05:37.08gonkulatorNO
05:37.11gonkulatorKDE is EVIL
05:38.25darth_ballsah, got it
05:38.29darth_ballsok, no KDE
05:38.46gonkulatorwhew..
05:39.06darth_ballsin fact... xmms works better in fluxbox then it did in kde ^_^
05:39.17darth_ballsit no longer takes over the speakers entirely
05:39.26darth_ballsi can still here gaim while the music is playin
05:39.28darth_ballsw00t
05:40.01gonkulatordarth_balls: do a "ps -ef | grep -i esd" and paste the results in here
05:40.45darth_ballswhat's the key command for copy?>
05:41.09gonkulatorleft highlight is "copy" and middle click is "paste"
05:41.15gonkulatorit is all done with the mouse
05:41.40darth_ballsLain      2669     1  0 22:38 ?        00:00:00 esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -s
05:41.40darth_ballsLain      2687  2532  0 22:40 pts/0    00:00:00 grep -i esd
05:41.42darth_ballswow
05:41.51darth_ballscool
05:41.55gonkulator:)
05:43.07gonkulatordakoda: you use KDE?
05:43.13gonkulatordakoda: you deserve it :p
05:43.21dakodaits the default.  i work mostly in console anyway :)
05:43.27gonkulatoruh huh...
05:43.28dakodait's an ancient version, 1.1 or something
05:43.40gonkulatorso why the hell don't use use a light-weight WM for large numbers of consoles
05:43.43gonkulatorlike PWM
05:43.47gonkulatorPWM is great for that
05:43.55darth_ballsnow I need to figure out how to change the background
05:44.16gonkulatorfind a jpeg that you like
05:44.24darth_ballsI've got some
05:44.27gonkulatorat the console, type ee <filename?
05:44.28dakodai used to use icewm, but as i said, kde was the default here, and im too lazy to change it :)
05:44.35gonkulatorer, <filename>
05:45.10gonkulatorthen, left click it and use the "set as desktop" option
05:45.48darth_ballsnice
05:45.57darth_balls(it was a right click for me)
05:46.03gonkulatorer, yeah
05:46.51darth_ballstoo bad scanline went to sleep
05:46.59gonkulatorwhy is that?
05:47.44darth_ballsI wanted to ask how he got his terminal clear
05:48.12gonkulatoroh, I think it is cause he uses eterm
05:48.20gonkulatorbut I don't know exactly how that gets configured
05:48.35dakodayeah.  eterm or wterm.  there are command line options to change transparency levels
05:55.45darth_ballsI hate looking for .rpms
05:56.00revthen use debian :)
05:56.46gonkulatorrev: he is switching over to gentoo soon enough
05:56.52gonkulatorrev: don't be hard on him
05:57.09revi'm not being hard on him
05:57.15revi run RH8 on this beast myself :)
05:57.17gonkulatorlike hell you aren't
05:57.27gonkulatoryou debian people are all the same
05:57.29revjust giving him a solution to his problem
05:57.31revpfft!
05:57.33gonkulatordebian this, and debian that
05:57.38revi run debian on no machine in this house!
05:57.40revSO THERE!@$#!
05:57.44gonkulator:)
05:57.54revme too
05:57.59revYIPPEE
05:58.10dakodaisnt there an apt-get type thign for rh?
05:58.12revwell
05:58.15revthere is apt4rpm
05:58.24revbut from what i'm told it's still nowhere near as slick
05:58.28revnot many repositories &c
05:58.34dakodaahh
05:58.35revbut theoretically it could
05:58.44revi've not installed it on this RH8 machine yet
05:58.49revso i can't say for sure
05:58.59gonkulatoremerge is so much better than apt-get
05:59.09revhow so? cuz it compiles it to your machine?
05:59.23gonkulatorrev: exactly
05:59.35gonkulatorrev: also, there is no "-" in the command
05:59.37revcan't you do that with apt-get? using source debs?
05:59.39revwhat does - do?
05:59.47gonkulatorit is hard to get at on the keyboard
06:00.13njsecho 'alias aptget=apt-get' >>/etc/profile
06:00.23dakoda:)
06:00.24gonkulatorand it is easy to say "emerge" with emphasis, but "apt-get" sounds abrasive
06:00.34rever oh
06:00.36gonkulatornjs: I know, I am just making shit claims
06:00.38revheh
06:00.57njsgonkulator: I know, I'm just suggesting absurd responses
06:00.58revplus, gentoo helped keep away the demons which were assulting my dog in the night
06:01.08gonkulatornjs: I am bitter toward debian because I couldn't install it correctly
06:01.17njsgonkulator: ah
06:01.19revwhat went wrong?
06:01.26revthe deb installs i've done went slicker than snot
06:01.31reveven slicker than this rh8 install
06:01.35njswhich reminds me, this headless box here is halfway through a debian install
06:02.04gonkulatormy debian troubles can only be described as "pebkac"
06:02.10revnaturally
06:02.25gonkulatorand dselect's UI blows major ass
06:02.39revbig time
06:02.45revyou think they could make it simpler
06:04.17revdon't blame you
06:05.03gonkulatorthe portage tree and emerge make so much more sense
06:05.11revsomeday i'll look at it
06:05.29revgentoo really came frmo nowhere in the last year.5
06:05.53gonkulatorI saw it about 4 months ago and said "w00t"
06:06.03gonkulatorhmm... maybe 6 months ago...
06:06.11gonkulatorit was the 1.2 release
06:06.42darth_ballstarballs are so much easier than .rpms
06:07.06gonkulatorand .ebuilds are so much easier than tarballs
06:07.35darth_balls.ebuilds??
06:07.48gonkulatorgentoo meta-package description files
06:07.58darth_ballsooh
06:08.04dakodacome on, what's easier than tar zxf [file];cd [file];./configure --prefix=/usr/local;make;make install? :)
06:08.15gonkulatordakoda: :p
06:09.49darth_ballsdakoda: it's a helluva lot easier than constantly searching for the damned dependencies
06:10.07darth_ballswhich, come to think of it is rather sad
06:10.12gonkulatordarth_balls: dependencies exist regardless of the package management
06:10.18darth_ballstrue
06:10.21dakodagood point though
06:10.31darth_ballsbut I never have as much trouble and conflicts as I do w/ .rpm
06:10.34gonkulatordarth_balls: the beauty of distros like Gentoo and debian is that they take care of that for you
06:10.40darth_ballsthat could just be me though
06:10.43dakodadoesnt the new stuff automatically get the deps as well?
06:11.09gonkulatordakoda: the new RH stuff?
06:11.19dakodaanything, i have no idea
06:11.32gonkulatorgentoo automatically grabs dependancies for you
06:11.41dakodasee, now that's cool :)
06:11.44gonkulatorlike, I wanted to install X on my gentoo box at work
06:11.50gonkulatorso I did "emerge xchat"
06:12.02gonkulatorand gentoo grabbed X for me and all the other stuff
06:12.17dakodaholy crap!
06:13.24revdakoda: apt-get does that too :)
06:13.34gonkulatorthe only problem with this is that sometimes, programs have weird dependancies
06:13.40captain_protonbut apt-get is still retrieving i386 packages :)
06:13.53captain_protonand i don't get to funroll with binary packages
06:13.56gonkulatorrev: don't go toting your debian shit in here
06:14.04revEAT ME GENTOOBOI
06:14.13gonkulatorBOI?
06:14.20dakoda=> boy
06:14.38captain_protonboi has a somewhat different connotation than boy
06:14.46dakodatru
06:14.57gonkulatorhow can we take someone's distro choice seriously when they can't even spell "boy" correctly?
06:14.58darth_ballsI *love* flux box
06:15.00darth_ballsit's so easy
06:15.24dakodahow does one configure kdm to recognize it as a wm to use?
06:15.27captain_protonwhen it comes down to raw power, you fools can keep your lunix.
06:15.32gonkulatordakoda: emerge fluxbox is all you have to do in gentoo :)
06:15.41gonkulatorlunix?
06:15.55captain_protongonkulator: you've never read JeffK?
06:15.55rev!@$!!!
06:16.01dakodagonkulator:  yeah, but im running a 3 year old suse distro, so that doesnt help me much :)
06:16.14dakoda*lol*
06:16.25revwell, linux is defiantely suboptimal for me
06:16.28captain_protonhttp://www.somethingawful.com/jeffk/internatfunhorse/index.htm
06:16.31revwhich is why i run squeak on top of it. :P
06:16.36gonkulatordakoda: time to reinstall on that bad boy, unless it is working perfectly and has some un-Godly amount of uptime
06:16.45njsEDOS!  EDOS!  EDOS IS THE STANDARD OS!
06:16.52dakodai have nothign newer to reinstall :)
06:17.07dakoda(i have the 2nd slackware release, but that's from way way back..)
06:17.11captain_protonEDOS CANNET GET ON TEH INTARNET!
06:17.49gonkulatordakoda: the only problem with gentoo and debian is that a fast connection to the internet
06:18.27gonkulatorerm... a fast connection to the internet makes it less painful
06:18.33revquite
06:18.34dakodayeah
06:18.42revbut you can get gentoo cds and still reap some bennies
06:19.17dakodai've only seen mandrake in stores around here, come to think of it..  but i manage none the less
06:19.21gonkulatoror, you can emerge world -f and get all the tarballs, copy them to the /usr/portage/distfiles/ directory and call it good
06:19.30revBOOYA
06:19.47gonkulatordakoda: the gentoo install CD is only 120 meg or so
06:20.00revbut then nothing comes with it
06:20.05revyou couldn't do an emerge xchat
06:20.09gonkulatorsure you could
06:20.18revwell, not without using los interntos
06:20.31gonkulatortrue
06:20.38darth_ballswell, i've got fluxbox and eterm working
06:20.46darth_ballsbut I can't get eterm transparent ^_^
06:21.06dakodaopen an eterm, then do eterm --help
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06:35.04darth_ballshmm
06:35.12gonkulatorwhats up?
06:35.17darth_ballseterm doesn't seem to like most of the options it says it can use
06:35.34dakodait might be particular
06:36.30gonkulatormaybe it needs enlightenment to be the running wm?
06:36.40darth_ballscould be
06:37.29dakodaif(wm!=enlightenment)do_ignore_args();  :)
06:37.59revpeople still use E?
06:38.09revhas anything new happened lately?
06:38.14gonkulatorI dunno
06:38.17gonkulatorask raster
06:38.26gonkulatorexcept he isn't on
06:38.44dakodai've heard of a couple artsy people still using it.. *shrugs*
06:38.54revartsy? like hipster mods?
06:39.02dakodasomething like that
06:39.07revheh
06:39.25xghost2320.17 should be interesting if it ever gets released
06:39.34revcoo
06:39.45revof course
06:40.00captain_protoni stopped using E when i realized that window managers don't have to take 15 seconds to start
06:40.06revhaha
06:40.09xghost232i think most people are going for lightweight wm now days
06:40.13dakoda... and then i installed kde! :)
06:40.15darth_ballslol
06:40.23darth_ballsI'm installing so much stuff tonight
06:40.28revso they can make the rest of their enviroment heavyweight :)
06:40.32darth_ballsthis is what happens when I'm away from my tower too long
06:40.56xghost232heh
06:44.58dakodaok, im out.  got lots to install now too :)  tty'alll
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06:53.02darth_ballsw00t
06:53.40gonkulatorwhats that?
06:54.18darth_ballsI'm starting to figure everything out
06:54.20darth_ballsand it feels good
06:54.25gonkulatorcool
06:55.17captain_proton...contest?
06:55.29gonkulatorI am going to be putting out a contest on tuesday
06:56.09darth_ballsyay
06:56.13gonkulatorit will be longer than a week
06:56.39darth_ballsnight all
06:56.41gonkulatornight darth_balls
06:56.48darth_ballsthanks for all the help
06:57.02gonkulatorcaptain_proton: speed is going to be the main focus in this contest
06:57.06captain_protonah
06:57.58gonkulatoroh, and warnings will be allowed in the GCC 3 part
06:58.13captain_protonexcellent
07:00.10gonkulatorbut warnings will cost you in your final point total thingy :()
07:00.11gonkulator:)
07:14.45merlin262-Wall?
07:15.19gonkulatorNO
07:15.33gonkulatorgcc <inputfile>.c -o program
07:15.45gonkulator:p
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12:54.40fileok I'm back
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14:09.23gonkulatorPicoBot: seen scanline
14:09.24PicoBotscanline was last seen on #picogui 3 hours, 3 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: is back (gone 05:55:33) [Mon Dec  2 04:11:03 2002]
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14:16.45gonkulatormorning carpman{sasami}
14:16.48carpman{sasami}hey gonkulator
14:17.20gonkulatorhi Xentac
14:17.25gonkulatorcarpman{sasami}: whats up?
14:17.26carpman{sasami}morning Xentac
14:17.35carpman{sasami}gonkulator: last week of school
14:17.37Xentachi guys
14:17.43gonkulatoroooh
14:17.49gonkulatorcool... last week :)
14:17.52gonkulatorthis is my last week too
14:17.57gonkulatorfinals are next week
14:18.09carpman{sasami}hehe, finals are this week for me.
14:18.17carpman{sasami}Today: Computer Org.
14:19.43scanlinemorning guys
14:19.46gonkulatorhi scanline
14:20.01gonkulatorscanline: how did the iBook go back togeather
14:20.33carpman{sasami}hey scanline
14:20.43scanlinewell, we lost a total of three screws and I had a couple screws left over after reassembling, and one of the rubber feet retaining rings cracked so I had to superglue the foot on, but it seems fairly solid now
14:20.48scanlineI haven't installed an OS on it yet
14:21.01gonkulatoroh, ok
14:21.39scanlinecarpman{sasami}: losing screws makes your ibook lighter
14:21.45gonkulatorwell, at least we got it togeather with all the screws once :)
14:22.38scanlinenomad's upgrade went pretty smoothly... just restored the disk image then created a new 30GB partition
14:23.07gonkulatorcool
14:23.12scanlinegonkulator: That check I have from you that I haven't cashed was about $300, eh?
14:23.34gonkulatorscanline: something like that I think
14:23.37scanlineSince I owe you $150 and my parents owe you $150, if the check was at least $300 I could just tear it up and have my parents owe me $150
14:24.22carpman{sasami}I NEED this new job. I went to itzacon yesterday. They had anime cels.
14:24.41gonkulatorwhat is a cel?
14:24.49scanlinegonkulator: $279
14:24.55scanlineso I guess I owe you $20
14:25.14carpman{sasami}gonkulator: One of the things they take pictures of to make cartoons. One frame of animation.
14:25.27gonkulatorscanline: ok
14:25.37scanlineoh yeah.. frames
14:25.46scanlineI got NuppelVideo recording working in jetstream
14:25.48gonkulatorscanline: you buy the pizza the next two times I come up and we can call it even
14:25.55carpman{sasami}NuppelVideo is cool
14:26.33scanlinecarpman{sasami}: you've used it before?
14:26.48carpman{sasami}scanline: I've used it on lain to record adult swim before :)
14:27.46scanlinecarpman{sasami}: how does the quality adjustment work?
14:27.57scanlinethe source code is very very sparsely documented
14:28.46scanlineit accepts an 8-bit "Q" value, with the comment that 32 is minumum quality and 192 is maximum, but there are still a good bit of compression artifacts at any Q value I've tried
14:28.51carpman{sasami}I dunno, I just used the defaults.
14:28.57scanlineah
14:29.21scanlinewell there's no library for NuppelVideo encoding, so I had to write my own code to output the stream, and I'm using their GPL'ed RTJpeg codec
14:29.30carpman{sasami}I didn't get any artifacts, IIRC
14:29.56scanlinewant me to send you a sample nuppelvideo file this encoded?
14:30.16filemmm?
14:30.33carpman{sasami}scanline: ok.
14:30.37filegonkulator: clarify
14:30.40Xentacgonkulator: that would be a bad thing
14:30.55gonkulatorfile: I accidently transfered 279 dollars into my dad's bank account
14:31.00scanlinehehe
14:31.02carpman{sasami}lol
14:31.18Xentachehehe, that's better than accidently transfering it to someone you don't care for...
14:31.18Xentac;o)
14:31.21gonkulatoroh well...
14:31.24carpman{sasami}"Thanks, son. Thats a great xmas gift" - Said as running out door.
14:31.30gonkulatorI'll get it back...
14:31.36Xentaccarpman{sasami}: hehehe
14:31.36gonkulator*sends email to mother*
14:31.59Xentaccarpman{sasami}: nah, it'd be "And son, here's your xmas present" *hands 279 dollars*
14:32.13carpman{sasami}hehe
14:32.40carpman{sasami}scanline: mplayer says the header is all fecked up
14:32.52scanlinehmm.. mplayer plays it fine here
14:32.54scanlinewhat version?
14:33.05carpman{sasami}VO: invalid dimensions!
14:33.06carpman{sasami}FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver!
14:33.06carpman{sasami}VDecoder init failed :(
14:33.06carpman{sasami}Can't find codec matching selected -vo and video format 0x3156554E !
14:33.15carpman{sasami}.90pre6
14:33.15scanlinemaybe it doesn't work on PPC?
14:33.23carpman{sasami}yeah, byte order probably
14:33.25scanlinethe nuppelvideo format is really unspecific on byte orders
14:33.38scanlineI can divx it
14:33.44carpman{sasami}nah, thats allright.
14:33.48scanlineok
14:33.50carpman{sasami}I trust that its nifty :)
14:34.11scanlinewell, I was just curious whether the compression artifacts were consistent with what NuppelVideo should be doing
14:35.20carpman{sasami}scanline: probably not
14:35.29carpman{sasami}you shouldn't see any.
14:35.30gonkulatorthere, email sent
14:35.49scanlinecarpman{sasami}: well, it's mainly on large patches of solid colors
14:36.00filegonkulator: blame it on a bad interface
14:36.05scanlineoh, I'll take a screenshot of the nuppelvideo playback
14:36.17carpman{sasami}gonkulator: blame it on file
14:38.05scanlinehttp://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/nuppelvideo_rtjpeg.png
14:39.27carpman{sasami}hmm.. thats a jpeg at high compression.
14:40.08gonkulatorcarpman{sasami}: the following commands will cause OS X to kernel panic
14:40.10gonkulatormkdir foo
14:40.11scanlinenuppelvideo's compression is a form of jpeg
14:40.13gonkulatorcd foo
14:40.14gonkulatormkdir foo
14:40.18gonkulatormv foo ../
14:40.28carpman{sasami}gonkulator: realy?
14:40.31flexogonkulator: i doubt
14:40.38gonkulatorcarpman{sasami}: 10.2.2, yep
14:40.43flexohmm
14:40.46gonkulatorcarpman{sasami}: I have tried it twice, and twice it has crashed
14:40.53carpman{sasami}'foo' or foo=anything?
14:41.00gonkulatorfoo=anything
14:41.19gonkulatorI have only tested foo, but supposedly it works with anything
14:41.38gonkulator*logs into source forge's compile farm*
14:43.55scanline<PROTECTED>
14:44.02scanline<PROTECTED>
14:44.02scanline<PROTECTED>
14:44.02scanline<PROTECTED>
14:44.33carpman{sasami}scanline: thats worse than the stuff you write
14:44.37scanlinehaha
14:44.49Xentacwhat, then awesome scanline can't read C now? is that what I'm hearing?
14:45.17scanlineheh
14:45.30scanlinethere is zero documentation on the code, and even worse, zero documentation on the algorithm
14:45.41gonkulatorPicoBot: class?
14:45.47gonkulatorow
14:45.50gonkulatorow  ow
14:46.38fileXentac: work?
14:47.45fileI had a dream lastnight I got my PCI USB card... but it was recognized as a 2.0 card
14:48.08Xentacfile dreams about hardware... interesting...
14:48.24filewell I didn't get much sleep
14:48.26file1-2 hours
14:58.02carpman{sasami}hehe... http://www.gamespy.com/comics/dorktower/
14:58.15filecarpman{sasami}: how was itzacon anyway?
14:59.40carpman{sasami}file: b0ring
14:59.57filecarpman{sasami}: did you drag anybody there with you?
15:00.46carpman{sasami}Marjin
15:00.52filehaha
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15:08.54scanlineaha
15:08.58scanlinefound some documentation on RTJpeg
15:08.58filehello sad0ur and prpplague
15:09.08sad0urhi
15:12.48filemy step-dad is gone... ermph
15:16.03sad0uri asked yesterday, but no response, so... du u know some ROMs for snes ? i've played chronotrigger, but somethim more dark and less stupid in similar gameplay would by nice...
15:16.39sad0ur(if u know the dos game dreamweb. something with that kind of atmosphere would rock :)
15:17.19filesad0ur: we're not an SNES channel.
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15:17.23filehi darth_balls
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15:18.18darth_ballshi file
15:18.22darth_ballshey gonk
15:18.25filehi gonkulator
15:18.30sad0ursorry
15:18.44gonkulatordarth_balls: I am trying to get samba 2.2.5 working on OS X
15:18.44darth_ballssad0ur: what did you want?
15:18.52darth_ballsgonkulator: what's samba?
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15:20.29prpplaguedarth_balls: samba is a series of linux utilities for communicating with the windows SMB protocol
15:20.41darth_ballsoh
15:20.51prpplaguedarth_balls: i.e. shared windows printers
15:20.53sad0urnothing in particular. just as i saw screenshot of final fantasy (i guess) in pg, i thought someone could know about something. it's not important.
15:21.33darth_ballsoh, I don't know anything about that
15:21.38darth_ballsbbiab
15:30.02fileI think I got the flu that's going around - so nobody come near me
15:36.24filetakk|sle1p: mmm
15:38.50gonkulators/offes/offers
15:39.01fileyup - all the stuff I have are stuff that the flu gives you
15:39.09gonkulatorwb darth_balls
15:39.23darth_balls<krusty> hey hey </krusty>
15:39.32gonkulatordarth_balls: remember that sharity program you had on your iBook?
15:39.53darth_ballsno
15:39.59gonkulatoroh
15:40.06gonkulatorthat was samba packaged for apple
15:40.07darth_ballswhat program?
15:40.14gonkulatorsharity
15:40.20darth_ballsI don't think I ever had that
15:40.23gonkulatoroh
15:40.28Vivyanhi
15:40.33gonkulatorVivyan: whats up?
15:40.45Vivyansleepies
15:41.40darth_ballswow
15:42.06gonkulatordarth_balls: don't drink one of Jagy's cappucino's before going home at night
15:42.08gonkulatoroh
15:42.18gonkulatorLAN party at Jai's house on December 31
15:42.30fileam I invited?
15:42.36gonkulatoranyone who knows who Jai is can come
15:42.47gonkulatorfile: if you can make it here, sure
15:42.48filegreat
15:43.00scanlinegonkulator: I'll be going to lousyana this christmas break... not sure exactly when
15:43.07gonkulatorscanline: sorry
15:43.39scanlinehehe
15:43.42gonkulatorhe said that neither him, nor your mom was excited about going
15:44.42scanlineha
15:45.39gonkulatorseriously
15:45.46gonkulatoryou are welcome to "ditch" if you would like ;)
15:46.54gonkulatorand there is wireless
15:47.01merlin262ugghhhhhhhh, I wanna die.. .
15:47.28gonkulatorlater Xentac
15:47.34gonkulatorlater Vivyan|deadtoo
15:47.48gonkulatorhi kergoth
15:49.09darth_ballshi scanline
15:49.12scanlinehi
15:49.16merlin262hey scanline, how goes it?
15:49.18takkariamoo all
15:49.20scanlineforward?
15:49.27takkariawhoops.  I shouldn't've said "moo"
15:50.22darth_ballsmoo takkaria
15:50.28merlin262ahhh, what be this?'
15:50.33takkariaPicoBot: moo
15:50.33PicoBotthis is strictly a "no moo'ing" channel
15:50.45gonkulatorPicoBot: jump
15:50.45PicoBotsorry gonkulator, this is strictly a "no jumping" channel
15:50.50gonkulatorsee
15:50.53gonkulatorno mooing or jumping
15:51.12scanlinemerlin262: a very short movie with lossless compression :)
15:51.30merlin262scanline: ahhhhhhh, what player?
15:51.48scanlineit's NuppleVideo, using LZO but not RTJpeg
15:51.52scanlineit will play in mplayer
15:52.07scanlinedon't know why you would want it, just thought I would DCC you a really big file for no reason
15:52.17merlin262ic
15:52.39darth_ballsscanline: I got fluxbox working
15:52.47scanlinedarth_balls: neat
15:52.53darth_ballsit was so simple
15:53.06darth_ballsI just had to have a .xinitrc file w/ the command "exec fluxbox"
15:53.32scanlinemerlin262: if you actually want the file, I should compress it a bit more :)
15:53.41gonkulatorscanline: gzip!
15:53.46scanlinelzop
15:53.57merlin262scanline: what's the video fo?
15:54.11scanlinevideo capture from jetstream
15:54.23scanlinehttp://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/lzop/
15:55.07merlin262hrmph, can't play it w/ xine, and mplayer refuses to install
15:55.13scanlineheh
15:55.20gonkulatormerlin262: did you try emerge?
15:55.41merlin262make: *** [mplayer.o] Error 1
15:55.41merlin262!!! ERROR: The ebuild did not complete successfully.
15:56.03gonkulatormerlin262: did you try a different ebuild
15:56.07scanlinethis one's kinda messed up too...
15:56.12scanlineit was recording at about 8FPS and playing at 30
15:57.27scanlinePicoBot: seen captain_proton?
15:57.27PicoBotcaptain_proton was last seen on #picogui 8 hours, 59 minutes and 16 seconds ago, saying: excellent [Mon Dec  2 00:02:51 2002]
16:03.30darth_ballsscanline: how do you change the wallpaper in fluxbox?
16:03.35darth_ballsmine won't stay changed
16:04.10scanlineadd a line like this to ~/.fluxbox/init:
16:04.14scanlinesession.screen0.rootCommand:    Esetroot -scale foo.jpeg
16:04.22darth_ballsok
16:05.07darth_ballsdo I need the path to the pic
16:05.09darth_balls??
16:05.12scanlineyeah
16:05.15darth_ballskk
16:05.57darth_ballsbr
16:05.58darth_ballsb
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16:07.03darth_ballsit didn't like that
16:07.10darth_ballsmaybe it can't handle .bmp
16:07.46gonkulatordarth_balls: who can say, who can say
16:07.59scanlineit should handle bmp.. maybe you don't have Esetroot installed?
16:08.07darth_ballsthat's probably it
16:08.15scanlineyou don't have to restart X for it to take effect...
16:08.25darth_ballsok, I don't have esetroot installed
16:08.29scanlinethere should be an option in your root menu to restart fluxbox, and it won't kill any of your other programs
16:08.56fileI could go for lunch...
16:09.15darth_ballsoh, ok
16:10.12filefood rocks
16:10.54darth_ballsdamn, can't find esetroot online, any suggestions?
16:11.25scanlineit comes with Eterm
16:13.23fileHarry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone is on
16:15.53darth_ballsoh well
16:17.55darth_ballsI'll mess with it later
16:19.11darth_ballsscanline: what terminal do you use?
16:19.20scanlineEterm
16:19.42darth_ballsdid you have troubles getting it to go transparent?
16:19.46scanlineno
16:19.55darth_ballshow did you get it transparent?
16:20.08darth_ballscuz the menu in mine won't change it to clear
16:20.21filehe probably rewrote it
16:20.22scanlinebackground -> toggle transparency
16:20.30darth_ballsyeah, that doesn't work
16:20.41scanlinedid you set the background with Esetroot?
16:20.47darth_ballsno
16:21.22merlin262somehow, my package managed to get to dallas before it left fort worth
16:21.36filemerlin262: they didn't scan it
16:21.40filemerlin262: the departure scan
16:21.50filemerlin262: gonna be delivered today?
16:21.59merlin262file: i dunno
16:22.10filemerlin262: what time is it for you?
16:22.15merlin262it's in dallas, that generally indicates yes
16:22.17darth_ballsbut that will come later
16:22.19merlin26210:34 AM
16:22.30filemmm I suppose it could be delivered
16:46.20gonkulatorPicoBot: meows
16:46.21PicoBotgonkulator: excuse me?
16:46.27gonkulatorPicoBot: meow
16:46.28PicoBotgonkulator: sorry...
16:46.54gonkulatorPicoBot: meow is <action> becomes as cute as DevGirl and purrs softly
16:46.54PicoBotOK, gonkulator.
16:46.56gonkulatorPicoBot: meow
16:47.21fileany news on her?
16:48.08gonkulatorfile: I'll bet vitoria was born yesterday
16:48.47file:)
16:51.47filegonkulator?
16:53.08gonkulatorfile?
16:53.47filehello
16:58.21gonkulatorhi
16:58.58filewhat's up?
17:02.57*** join/#picogui carpman{sasami} (~carpman@dyna039231.utdallas.edu)
17:03.10filehi carpman
17:03.15gonkulatorhey carpman{sasami}
17:03.22carpman{sasami}hey gonkulator
17:03.24carpman{sasami}hey file
17:40.50*** join/#picogui gonkulator (~brandon@Metro0276.client.mscd.edu)
17:40.57gonkulatorPicoBot: seen scanline
17:40.57PicoBotscanline was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 20 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: did you set the background with Esetroot? [Mon Dec  2 09:25:22 2002]
17:41.07gonkulatorPicoBot: seen carpman
17:41.08PicoBotcarpman was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 3 hours, 29 minutes and 57 seconds ago, saying: well, off to do some stuff. See you all later. [Sun Dec  1 07:15:51 2002]
17:41.10gonkulatorPicoBot: seen Xentac
17:41.10PicoBotXentac was last seen on #picogui 1 hours, 53 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying: is away: working [Mon Dec  2 08:52:04 2002]
17:41.15filebooya
17:41.17gonkulatorPicoBot: seen fragglet
17:41.17PicoBotfragglet was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes and 1 seconds ago, saying: bye bye [Sun Dec  1 07:15:57 2002]
17:41.19fileOrder Status: In Queue for Shipment
17:41.24gonkulatorfile: fun
17:42.06*** join/#picogui ahnkana (~trillian@aden2-135-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)
17:43.50ahnkanaanyone have a really cool photo editing program that will run on windows?
17:44.03gonkulatorI have photoshop
17:44.10gonkulatorand there is a win32 port of gimp
17:44.19gonkulatorthere is always M$ paint
17:44.25ahnkanapaint sucks
17:44.28ahnkanai have that
17:44.38ahnkanatell me of gimp
17:44.38filethat's what the graphics design course here uses
17:44.40fileMS Paint!!!!
17:44.53gonkulatorPicoBot: google
17:44.54PicoBotgonkulator: i'm not following you...
17:45.07gonkulatorPicoBot: google is <reply> google yourself at google.com
17:45.07PicoBotOK, gonkulator.
17:45.30ahnkanafile: if paint is cool, how do you paste one image ontop of another?
17:45.34ahnkanahow do you move images?
17:45.57gonkulatorahnkana: google for "win32 gimp download"
17:46.02gonkulatorahnkana: that should give you what you want
17:46.12ahnkanak
17:46.28fileahnkana: don't put words in my mouth
17:46.35filethere's already a doughnut in it
17:48.24ahnkanalol
17:48.31ahnkanadoughnuts are icky
17:48.53ahnkanagonkulator: which of these links should i download
17:49.05gonkulatorahnkana: the ones that work
17:49.11ahnkanaumm thanks
17:49.27ahnkanathey all work, but which one is the program?
17:49.31ahnkanai am confused
17:49.38ahnkanahttp://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/downloads.html
17:49.44ahnkanathis is where i am
17:50.18gonkulatorjust look for something with a .exe
17:50.34ahnkanaaiiieeeeeee
17:51.11ahnkanathey are all zip files
17:51.16gonkulatoroh
17:51.37ahnkanastop making her think
17:51.39filehttp://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/
17:52.07ahnkanamais, mon ami, this site is for linux downloads
17:52.20ahnkanathe link at the top goes right back to where i was
17:52.22filethat site is for Windows
17:52.27gonkulatorgimp-1.2.4-20020907.zip.
17:52.33fileYou can find the installer for the latest build of The Gimp for Windows here. It's made from the binary packages available at http://www.gimp.org/~tml/gimp/win32/downloads.html page.
17:52.50ahnkanayep that'
17:52.53ahnkanas where i was
17:53.04filethat's what you want
17:53.06fileso download it
17:53.11ahnkanawhich one?
17:53.16gonkulatorgimp-1.2.4-20020907.zip
17:53.18gonkulatorgimp-1.2.4-20020907.zip.
17:53.20gonkulatorgimp-1.2.4-20020907.zip
17:53.20ahnkanak
17:53.20gonkulatorgimp-1.2.4-20020907.zip
17:53.26ahnkanaalright
17:53.28gonkulator:)
17:53.32gonkulatorPicoBot: flood
17:53.35gonkulatorw00t
17:54.30ahnkanagonkulator wanted gimp
17:54.46gonkulatorno, the ultraflood
17:54.49gonkulatorPicoBot: spank
17:55.00gonkulatorPicoBot: spank
17:55.02gonkulatorPicoBot: spank
17:55.08gonkulatorsee, they get smaller
17:55.12gonkulatorbut the ultra is the best
17:57.55ahnkanametallica fade to black
17:58.00ahnkanaGOOOD SONG
17:58.12ahnkanathe music is wonderbus
18:01.37ahnkanadurge!!!
18:04.31ahnkanait did not vurk
18:04.35ahnkanaegads
18:11.03darth_ballsw00t!
18:11.08darth_ballsmy second HD came!!!!
18:14.08gonkulatordarth_balls: cool
18:14.12gonkulatordarth_balls: I am happy for ya :)
18:24.09takkariathe most evil place to have a spot on your body is in your ear
18:25.50gonkulatorwhy is that?
18:26.21darth_ballscuz takkaria said so ;(
18:26.24darth_balls*;)
18:26.54gonkulatortakkaria: what do you base that assessment on?
18:27.32darth_ballsthis means I can put all the screws back in my case
18:28.29takkariabecause they really annoy me
18:28.45darth_ballsgonkulator: see? told you
18:28.56takkariachicken pox is evil, too
18:30.10gonkulatoroh, ok
18:30.18gonkulatordarth_balls: cool, just like Lindsey :)
18:30.29gonkulator(on the screws in the case thing)
18:30.38gonkulatorwell, I am bored at work
18:30.43gonkulatortime to play a relaxing game of UT
18:30.45gonkulatorbbiab
18:30.48filegonkulator: k
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19:04.00filehi rev
19:04.03rev|werkhey file
19:48.44*** part/#picogui rev|werk (Malkin@nomad97-247.d.umn.edu)
19:56.21ahnkanaaaiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:10.54captain_protonahnkana: is the rehearsal on thurs. at 7 or 7:30? i have conflicting information
20:17.56ahnkanaummm
20:17.58ahnkanalooking
20:20.04ahnkanacaptain_proton: is that the 6th?
20:20.37captain_protonahnkana:
20:20.39captain_protonerr
20:20.40captain_proton5th
20:20.41ahnkanathe ticket i have says 730
20:20.49ahnkanahmm
20:20.53captain_protonthe dress rehearsal
20:21.01captain_proton(first one)
20:22.07ahnkana730
20:22.18captain_protonthanks
20:22.26ahnkanai'll bring my sheet up you can write it down
20:33.13ahnkanacaptain_proton: these rehersals are at macky aren't they?
20:34.14captain_protonahnkana: yep
20:34.48ahnkanak
20:35.07ahnkanaI love my new toy!!!
20:35.13captain_protontoy?
20:35.20ahnkanaMP3/CD player= REALLY FUN
20:35.28ahnkana40 hrs battery time
20:35.28captain_protonah
20:35.51ahnkanabut does yours walk around with you and play mp3s?
20:35.58captain_protondoesn't play mp3s
20:36.02captain_protonbut its tiny
20:36.17captain_protonthe one that played mp3s was twice as thick and cost another 8000 yen :)
20:36.59ahnkana8000 yen
20:36.59ahnkanalol
20:37.17ahnkanamine is actually smaller then my walkman
20:37.34ahnkanabut it was a present
20:39.11fileI need food
20:39.20fileI haven't eaten in so long my stomach hurts
20:39.41ahnkanayou had a doughnut this morning
20:39.50file1 doughnut
20:40.13filechicken noodle soup time
20:43.04ahnkanaor goes to class
20:43.09ahnkanaone or the other
20:44.49ahnkananot hard
20:45.08ahnkanahehehe
20:46.00ahnkanai don't want to go
20:47.05takkariagah!
20:47.10takkariaI started helping people on #c
20:47.16takkariaI'm sure my sanity will go soon
20:47.53kergothbah, sanity is overrated
20:48.04takkariayes, it is
20:48.12captain_protonjust ask scanline, he's got none left
20:49.47scanline>:)
20:50.11scanlinecaptain_proton: dunno if you saw when I mentioned this to pat, but I talked to an OpenAL developer about the recording problem
20:50.27scanlinehe's going to write up an extension proposal :)
20:51.13captain_protonscanline: teehee
21:06.34darth_ballsc'mon admit it, you're glad to see me
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21:28.36Sophie[bot]hi.
21:31.44darth_iBookhi Sophie[bot]
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21:56.52filehi gonkulator
21:58.13gonkulatorhi file
21:58.41gonkulatorhey file, I have a question for you
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22:04.40gonkulatorPicoBot: seen carpman
22:04.40PicoBotcarpman was last seen on #picogui 1 days, 7 hours, 53 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: well, off to do some stuff. See you all later. [Sun Dec  1 07:15:51 2002]
22:04.49gonkulatorPicoBot: seen carpman{sasami}
22:04.49PicoBotcarpman{sasami} was last seen on #picogui 5 hours, 1 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: hey file [Mon Dec  2 10:08:04 2002]
22:35.22*** join/#picogui file (~lan@mctn1-2226.nb.aliant.net)
22:43.09merlin262wb file
22:43.16filethanks
22:58.50merlin262so, someone IS alive in here
22:59.51scanlinehttp://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/videorecorder_ui.png
23:00.28merlin262Nifty!
23:00.49scanlineuh oh, now he'll want rootless OpenGL in X11...
23:00.53scanline=)
23:01.51merlin262you said it.
23:01.52merlin262not me!
23:02.13scanlineit's extremely CPU intensive
23:02.46captain_protonscanline: we need to make VideoRecorder network transparent - so i can send a raw stream over to dan's box where it gets encoded ;)
23:03.02scanlinecaptain_proton: hmm... shouldn't be hard :)
23:03.07scanlineactually...
23:03.17scanlineyou could probably do that now with mkfifo and netcat
23:03.33captain_protonwe at least need something, because 7 fps isn't good enough for the videos
23:03.49scanlinewell, that was due to the textbox being slow rendering albuquerque
23:04.52scanlineit's probably not CPU limited when it does slow down during recording... it has a delay to try to match a target frame rate but it doesn't do a very good job of it
23:04.57captain_protoni drop down to 11fps while running the VideoRecorder
23:05.27scanlineI get about 22fps at 640x480 with the python console open
23:05.34scanlineit's target is set to 30fps
23:05.46captain_protoni had the grid on, that might have something to do with it
23:05.47scanlinehmm
23:05.54scanlineI have the grid on too
23:05.59scanlinebut hmm...
23:06.17scanlinemight try turning off the RTJpeg encoder
23:06.30scanlineengine.VideoRecorder.rtjpeg = False
23:06.47scanlinebut that might make the output too fast for your disk, dunno
23:07.01scanlineit will still be using LZO lossless compression
23:07.08captain_proton20 fps solid
23:07.14scanline100% CPU?
23:07.44captain_protoni don't have a cpu monitor up
23:08.07captain_protonis it possible to turn off scaling of the video?
23:08.24scanlineengine.VideoRecorder.width = 640
23:08.27scanlineengine.VideoRecorder.height = 480
23:08.51scanlinelooks like it's the compression
23:09.13scanlineI just tried turning off both rtjpeg and lzo, and sending the output to /dev/null... now it's getting around 30fps with only 75% CPU
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23:30.21captain_protonscanline: its here!
23:30.41scanlinewazzat?
23:31.09captain_protonscanline: my new keyboard :)
23:32.51merlin262looks like it'll be tommorow
23:33.26file:(
23:34.45captain_protonooh my machine looks beautiful with a unix keyboard sitting in front of it :)
23:35.04merlin262=D
23:36.02captain_protonalthough the sun logo in front of the dell logo does look a tad strange
23:36.19captain_protonback to bzflag
23:37.29darth_balls<PROTECTED>
23:37.36darth_ballsstupid space
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23:53.38merlin262hehe
23:53.46merlin262wb captain_proton
23:53.52captain_protonnvidia driver just decided i had too much uptime
23:54.08merlin262roflol
23:54.10captain_protonbwahaha, no steenking windows keys for me. i've got meta
23:54.15filelol

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